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Saw on FB that Todd's filming another drum dvd. While I think this is very cool (budding drummer here), I seem to remember him complaining about how recording a new album wasn't worth it because so many of his "fans" ripped him off by file sharing his 1st drum dvd.

So lemme get this straight...

Tommy's recording a new album, sans-Styx - even though "internet piracy kept Cyclo from selling big numbers".

Todd's doing a new drum DVD even though internet piracy ruined his first experience.

Okay, this all makes perfect sense... wait...

I don't get it.

I guess Styx is just no longer a band that wants to create new music... all that talent in that band and they will now spend their remaining years re-recording their old songs? This is just sad news. I cannot believe that there's not a DECENT record company out there that will pick up Dennis and Styx and pay them to create new music.

I was watching a documentary on Taylor Swift (yeah, yeah...)- her 1st record was released by a startup company. She's STILL with that label which is now probably rolling in dough. You telling me that a band like Styx or Dennis couldn't get picked up by someone like that and get marketed properly? Better yet, start their own label? It's a different world out there and those that succeed are doing things differently. Everyone's got studios in their homes now. I just cannot believe that these 6 talented individuals choose to not create new things. Sorry, just boggles my mind folks.


Along the same lines-
I saw someone post on Youtube the other day "you know, since internet piracy has ruined the music biz, why don't they just go back to vinyl? Sounds better anyway."

I'd never thought that before. Maybe that's what needs to happen. It won't stop mp3 downloading, but it is more difficult to drop a piece of vinyl into your PC... You know that if MTV, etc. made vinyl "look" like the "in" thing, that companies and listeners would flock to it.

No, Froy ruined the music industry.

brywool wrote:Saw on FB that Todd's filming another drum dvd. While I think this is very cool (budding drummer here), I seem to remember him complaining about how recording a new album wasn't worth it because so many of his "fans" ripped him off by file sharing his 1st drum dvd.

So lemme get this straight...

Tommy's recording a new album, sans-Styx - even though "internet piracy kept Cyclo from selling big numbers".

Todd's doing a new drum DVD even though internet piracy ruined his first experience.

Okay, this all makes perfect sense... wait...

I don't get it.

I guess Styx is just no longer a band that wants to create new music... all that talent in that band and they will now spend their remaining years re-recording their old songs? This is just sad news. I cannot believe that there's not a DECENT record company out there that will pick up Dennis and Styx and pay them to create new music.

I was watching a documentary on Taylor Swift (yeah, yeah...)- her 1st record was released by a startup company. She's STILL with that label which is now probably rolling in dough. You telling me that a band like Styx or Dennis couldn't get picked up by someone like that and get marketed properly? Better yet, start their own label? It's a different world out there and those that succeed are doing things differently. Everyone's got studios in their homes now. I just cannot believe that these 6 talented individuals choose to not create new things. Sorry, just boggles my mind folks.


Along the same lines-
I saw someone post on Youtube the other day "you know, since internet piracy has ruined the music biz, why don't they just go back to vinyl? Sounds better anyway."

I'd never thought that before. Maybe that's what needs to happen. It won't stop mp3 downloading, but it is more difficult to drop a piece of vinyl into your PC... You know that if MTV, etc. made vinyl "look" like the "in" thing, that companies and listeners would flock to it.

I think that it's fairly obvious that Styx as a unit is no longer interested in creating a substantial amount of new music, i.e. a full album. They are going where the money is, touring. You need to get used to this reality.

Boomchild wrote:

brywool wrote:Saw on FB that Todd's filming another drum dvd. While I think this is very cool (budding drummer here), I seem to remember him complaining about how recording a new album wasn't worth it because so many of his "fans" ripped him off by file sharing his 1st drum dvd.

So lemme get this straight...

Tommy's recording a new album, sans-Styx - even though "internet piracy kept Cyclo from selling big numbers".

Todd's doing a new drum DVD even though internet piracy ruined his first experience.

Okay, this all makes perfect sense... wait...

I don't get it.

I guess Styx is just no longer a band that wants to create new music... all that talent in that band and they will now spend their remaining years re-recording their old songs? This is just sad news. I cannot believe that there's not a DECENT record company out there that will pick up Dennis and Styx and pay them to create new music.

I was watching a documentary on Taylor Swift (yeah, yeah...)- her 1st record was released by a startup company. She's STILL with that label which is now probably rolling in dough. You telling me that a band like Styx or Dennis couldn't get picked up by someone like that and get marketed properly? Better yet, start their own label? It's a different world out there and those that succeed are doing things differently. Everyone's got studios in their homes now. I just cannot believe that these 6 talented individuals choose to not create new things. Sorry, just boggles my mind folks.


Along the same lines-
I saw someone post on Youtube the other day "you know, since internet piracy has ruined the music biz, why don't they just go back to vinyl? Sounds better anyway."

I'd never thought that before. Maybe that's what needs to happen. It won't stop mp3 downloading, but it is more difficult to drop a piece of vinyl into your PC... You know that if MTV, etc. made vinyl "look" like the "in" thing, that companies and listeners would flock to it.

I think that it's fairly obvious that Styx as a unit is no longer interested in creating a substantial amount of new music, i.e. a full album. They are going where the money is, touring. You need to get used to this reality.

I have to say i believe you are so right on this one.Sad but true.

Boomchild wrote:
I think that it's fairly obvious that Styx as a unit is no longer interested in creating a substantial amount of new music, i.e. a full album. They are going where the money is, touring. You need to get used to this reality.

This STYNX

brywool wrote:

Boomchild wrote:
I think that it's fairly obvious that Styx as a unit is no longer interested in creating a substantial amount of new music, i.e. a full album. They are going where the money is, touring. You need to get used to this reality.

This STYNX

Well then bug jy everyday until he get's the band back in the studio

Everett wrote:

brywool wrote:

Boomchild wrote:
I think that it's fairly obvious that Styx as a unit is no longer interested in creating a substantial amount of new music, i.e. a full album. They are going where the money is, touring. You need to get used to this reality.

This STYNX

Well then bug jy everyday until he get's the band back in the studio

I'm sure they are aware of what some of the fan base would like. Seems like the best they could or want to do is rerecord the older stuff. Like nobody knows how they sound on the old stuff.

i have released 4 different projects independently over the last decade. if you have your own studio (which these guys do and I do as well) then it's not that expensive to do your own release.

they could still go out and play their tours and play the greatest hits to pay the bills and record new music and make a limited run of the cd's available for purchase thru their website or better yet make a digital download available and you have no duplication or distribution costs.

that would keep the creative juices and satisfaction of creating new music still a part of what they do just to a much smaller audience than the glory days.

this business plan would appeal to all current styx fans willing to buy the new music and the package tour fans that want to hear the same set year after year.

masque wrote:i have released 4 different projects independently over the last decade. if you have your own studio (which these guys do and I do as well) then it's not that expensive to do your own release.

they could still go out and play their tours and play the greatest hits to pay the bills and record new music and make a limited run of the cd's available for purchase thru their website or better yet make a digital download available and you have no duplication or distribution costs.

that would keep the creative juices and satisfaction of creating new music still a part of what they do just to a much smaller audience than the glory days.

this business plan would appeal to all current styx fans willing to buy the new music and the package tour fans that want to hear the same set year after year.

DING DING DING DING
WINNER
WINNER
WINNER

I have purchased all four of these projects (8 tracks), and let me tell you they are ALL superb!!!!

No on sings about a papercut like masque does.

And if you think Gowan has got the chops.....................................

On his third project the way he fades the xylophone in and out you would think Mutt Lange had produced this baby.

I felt that his third project 'Ashtrays For Babies' was by far his best. The tracks include:

1.Batman ( cover version TV show)
2. Your Dog, My Flies ( orginal)
3. Jack Fell Down (orginal)
4. Jill Dumps Jack (orginal)
5. Rice a ronia For Breakfast ( orginal)
6. Toys For American Boys ( cover version)
7. This Is Not A Test ( cover )
8.My Bike is Red (orginal)
9. Ashtrays For Babies (orginal title track)
10.Plexiglass toilet(cover)

* on his linear notes masque states that no group or solo artist has ever put the title track 9TH on a 10 song disc.

Also when you purchased any of his four projects he throws in a set of steak knives.

Styx could do the same!!

masque wrote:i have released 4 different projects independently over the last decade. if you have your own studio (which these guys do and I do as well) then it's not that expensive to do your own release.

they could still go out and play their tours and play the greatest hits to pay the bills and record new music and make a limited run of the cd's available for purchase thru their website or better yet make a digital download available and you have no duplication or distribution costs.

that would keep the creative juices and satisfaction of creating new music still a part of what they do just to a much smaller audience than the glory days.

this business plan would appeal to all current styx fans willing to buy the new music and the package tour fans that want to hear the same set year after year.

I go into a studio (I prefer it, but I do have a home demo studio). But these guys do have nearly full proper studios at home. And if you look at the credits for Regeneration, it was pretty much recorded individually in their own studios.

Now, I would prefer them do it properly in a real studio with external engineers because Regeneration sonically sounds like crap for the most part. I talk about it in my review, which I'm going to post this weekend.

StyxCollector wrote:
Now, I would prefer them do it properly in a real studio with external engineers because Regeneration sonically sounds like crap for the most part. I talk about it in my review, which I'm going to post this weekend.

While I agree that sonically it sounds like home made pizza (not as good as you can get at a proper restaurant), NEW MUSIC is better than rehashing stuff. Who wouldn't (other than you know who) prefer them to go into the studio and make a proper album. But between the guys in Styx and the dough that they've put into their gear and their connections, they SHOULD be able to cook up something that at least sounds decent and could be released through their web site or Itunes as downloads. This way, they bypass the record company and still remain creative. Everyone knows that there's no interest from a BIG label with BIGGER dollars. So, it amazes me that they will just stop creating new music to keep people and themselves interested.

yeah yeah, I know... they're done.

masque wrote:i have released 4 different projects independently over the last decade. if you have your own studio (which these guys do and I do as well) then it's not that expensive to do your own release.

they could still go out and play their tours and play the greatest hits to pay the bills and record new music and make a limited run of the cd's available for purchase thru their website or better yet make a digital download available and you have no duplication or distribution costs.

that would keep the creative juices and satisfaction of creating new music still a part of what they do just to a much smaller audience than the glory days.

this business plan would appeal to all current styx fans willing to buy the new music and the package tour fans that want to hear the same set year after year.

That's if they are interested in creating new music together. It's pretty clear they aren't. The reasons they give is just "the spin" they put on it. I think you folks are just missing that fact.

StyxCollector wrote:

masque wrote:i have released 4 different projects independently over the last decade. if you have your own studio (which these guys do and I do as well) then it's not that expensive to do your own release.

they could still go out and play their tours and play the greatest hits to pay the bills and record new music and make a limited run of the cd's available for purchase thru their website or better yet make a digital download available and you have no duplication or distribution costs.

that would keep the creative juices and satisfaction of creating new music still a part of what they do just to a much smaller audience than the glory days.

this business plan would appeal to all current styx fans willing to buy the new music and the package tour fans that want to hear the same set year after year.

I go into a studio (I prefer it, but I do have a home demo studio). But these guys do have nearly full proper studios at home. And if you look at the credits for Regeneration, it was pretty much recorded individually in their own studios.

Now, I would prefer them do it properly in a real studio with external engineers because Regeneration sonically sounds like crap for the most part. I talk about it in my review, which I'm going to post this weekend.

Hmm.... Dennis records and produces his material from his home studio and it doesn't sound like crap. I wonder why that would be?

StyxCollector wrote:

masque wrote:i have released 4 different projects independently over the last decade. if you have your own studio (which these guys do and I do as well) then it's not that expensive to do your own release.

they could still go out and play their tours and play the greatest hits to pay the bills and record new music and make a limited run of the cd's available for purchase thru their website or better yet make a digital download available and you have no duplication or distribution costs.

that would keep the creative juices and satisfaction of creating new music still a part of what they do just to a much smaller audience than the glory days.

this business plan would appeal to all current styx fans willing to buy the new music and the package tour fans that want to hear the same set year after year.

I go into a studio (I prefer it, but I do have a home demo studio). But these guys do have nearly full proper studios at home. And if you look at the credits for Regeneration, it was pretty much recorded individually in their own studios.

Now, I would prefer them do it properly in a real studio with external engineers because Regeneration sonically sounds like crap for the most part. I talk about it in my review, which I'm going to post this weekend.

tommy's 7 deadly sins.........styx's brave new world and cyclorama were recorded in various band members studio's and those albums all sound great....so going into a "proper" studio and incurring that expense is unnecessary to my ears. but i understand your point.

yogi wrote:I have purchased all four of these projects (8 tracks), and let me tell you they are ALL superb!!!!

No on sings about a papercut like masque does.

And if you think Gowan has got the chops.....................................

On his third project the way he fades the xylophone in and out you would think Mutt Lange had produced this baby.

I felt that his third project 'Ashtrays For Babies' was by far his best. The tracks include:

1.Batman ( cover version TV show)
2. Your Dog, My Flies ( orginal)
3. Jack Fell Down (orginal)
4. Jill Dumps Jack (orginal)
5. Rice a ronia For Breakfast ( orginal)
6. Toys For American Boys ( cover version)
7. This Is Not A Test ( cover )
8.My Bike is Red (orginal)
9. Ashtrays For Babies (orginal title track)
10.Plexiglass toilet(cover)

* on his linear notes masque states that no group or solo artist has ever put the title track 9TH on a 10 song disc.

Also when you purchased any of his four projects he throws in a set of steak knives.

Styx could do the same!!

you forgot to mention that "ashtrays for babies" had a special hidden track, the them from star trek done entirely with nothing but bass guitars......much like spinal tap's "big bottom" was done....in fact, it was my inspiration for this tune as well.

You had to purchase the Chinese version to get the hidden track. I purchased the Canadian version and it didnt have it.

I loved the concept!! I remember my first job working at Burger King. I would always put ashtrays in the babies high chairs. I thought that was so funny. Then this CD comes along and it brings me back......................


GREAT job!!!!!!!!

brywool wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:
Now, I would prefer them do it properly in a real studio with external engineers because Regeneration sonically sounds like crap for the most part. I talk about it in my review, which I'm going to post this weekend.

While I agree that sonically it sounds like home made pizza (not as good as you can get at a proper restaurant), .[/quote}

But home made is still better than the frozen ones you buy at the supermarket.

yogi wrote:You had to purchase the Chinese version to get the hidden track. I purchased the Canadian version and it didnt have it.

I loved the concept!! I remember my first job working at Burger King. I would always put ashtrays in the babies high chairs. I thought that was so funny. Then this CD comes along and it brings me back......................


GREAT job!!!!!!!!

you're right....I had forgotten about all of the funky distribution deals that album had.....good catch.

masque wrote:you forgot to mention that "ashtrays for babies" had a special hidden track, the them from star trek done entirely with nothing but bass guitars......much like spinal tap's "big bottom" was done....in fact, it was my inspiration for this tune as well.

BIG BOTTOM
BIG BOTTOM
talk about BUM CAKES
MY GIRL'S GOT 'EM


Funny shit.

masque wrote:tommy's 7 deadly sins.........styx's brave new world and cyclorama were recorded in various band members studio's and those albums all sound great....so going into a "proper" studio and incurring that expense is unnecessary to my ears. but i understand your point.

First of all... it's "7 Deadly Zens".... and it's a solo album.

Brave New World sounded like disjointed puppy shit.

And don't get me started on Cyclorama.

masque wrote:tommy's 7 deadly sins.........styx's brave new world and cyclorama were recorded in various band members studio's and those albums all sound great....so going into a "proper" studio and incurring that expense is unnecessary to my ears. but i understand your point.

First, BNW and Cyclorama were not only recorded in home studios. Get your facts straight. Second, the mix on BNW sucks in places badly; some of that has to be attributed to bad source material, not just bad mix. Cyclorama is well engineered, though.

Ash wrote:

masque wrote:tommy's 7 deadly sins.........styx's brave new world and cyclorama were recorded in various band members studio's and those albums all sound great....so going into a "proper" studio and incurring that expense is unnecessary to my ears. but i understand your point.

First of all... it's "7 Deadly Zens".... and it's a solo album.

Brave New World sounded like disjointed puppy shit.

And don't get me started on Cyclorama.

my bad typo on the sins intead of zens......and I know "ash"wipe that it's a freaking solo album. the point is that it was recorded for the most part in tommy's home studio as well as big chunks of the styx albums BNW and Cyclorama.....and to me there is nothing wrong with those albums sonically.

masque wrote:my bad typo on the sins intead of zens......and I know "ash"wipe that it's a freaking solo album. the point is that it was recorded for the most part in tommy's home studio as well as big chunks of the styx albums BNW and Cyclorama.....and to me there is nothing wrong with those albums sonically.

Well excuse me FUCKTARD.... I figured you would at least know what the hell you are talking about before you go spewing things you have no clue about.

Spell it right, then call me names. Until then... go fuck yourself.

StyxCollector wrote:

masque wrote:tommy's 7 deadly sins.........styx's brave new world and cyclorama were recorded in various band members studio's and those albums all sound great....so going into a "proper" studio and incurring that expense is unnecessary to my ears. but i understand your point.

First, BNW and Cyclorama were not only recorded in home studios. Get your facts straight. Second, the mix on BNW sucks in places badly; some of that has to be attributed to bad source material, not just bad mix. Cyclorama is well engineered, though.

OK please forgive me.....i said they were recorded in various band members studio's.....there may have been chunks of those albums recorded in proper studios (such as Pumpkin studios if my memory serves correctly) but for the most part, at least based on what I have read, indicates that alot of those albums were done in their home studios and THAT is a fact.....and to pretty good results. you may dislike some of the source material of BNW and that's fine but overall many of those songs were recorded at a high level and certainly sound good enough for release....in my opinion........ and your opinion of the bad mix is just that....your opinion and certainly not anymore of a factual statement than mine.

and the point that you seem to be missing is that in this day and age of small album sales there is no reason for them to incur the expense of a "proper" studio to sell 25-50k units......just do it yourself and make it sound as good as you can and actually make decent profit on selling the same amount of cd's.

they could record the next cd in the greatest studio in the world with big name engineers and producers and it would not result in anymore album sales in my opinion....so why spend that money? so you will feel better about the source material and mix???? it doesnt add up for me to be a good business decision.

Speaking of chunks, does anyone know if Froy has gotten to see Chunks since he escaped from Shawshank???

Ash wrote:

masque wrote:my bad typo on the sins intead of zens......and I know "ash"wipe that it's a freaking solo album. the point is that it was recorded for the most part in tommy's home studio as well as big chunks of the styx albums BNW and Cyclorama.....and to me there is nothing wrong with those albums sonically.

Well excuse me FUCKTARD.... I figured you would at least know what the hell you are talking about before you go spewing things you have no clue about.

Spell it right, then call me names. Until then... go fuck yourself.

fuck ash....could you be anymore of an idiot? a spelling error does not indicate that me or you or anybody doesnt know what they are talking about....and the simple fact that I even know that 7 deadly ZENS even exists is a pretty good damn indicator that I also know it's a fucking solo album.....i figured on a damn styx message board that mentioning a fairly obscure solo album by name in this crowd would be understood that it's a solo album in comparison to BNW and Cyclorama.

and the fact of the matter is that I do know what I'm talking about because I can read. when tommy recorded 7DZ he blogged about it on a regular basis on the old paradise theatre site.....about recording it at home....what mic preamps and mics were used etc....i found it fascinating. I also know that parts of BNW were recorded at his house thus the album credit on BNW for it being partially recorded at the S.H.O.P (shaw house of pain)....and the same goes with Cyclorama.

All of yall' need to ease up some. Its not like any of us can figure out what you are talking about anyhow. You must be communicating in 'rock code'.

Do you all realize that it has been 25 years since Tommy Shaw uttered those famous words 'You cant stop the music you bastards'.


How time flies!!!!!!

P.S. rumor has it 'big Chunks'(see above) is how Froy referred to his beloved Chunks when they were spending quality time together.

yogi wrote:All of yall' need to ease up some. Its not like any of us can figure out what you are talking about anyhow. You must be communicating in 'rock code'.

Do you all realize that it has been 25 years since Tommy Shaw uttered those famous words 'You cant stop the music you bastards'.


How time flies!!!!!!

P.S. rumor has it 'big Chunks'(see above) is how Froy referred to his beloved Chunks when they were spending quality time together.

RIGHTEOUS thinks it's over!!!!! I'm just yanking some chains yogi......i aint pissed at anyone just feeling a little froggy today.

yogi wrote:Speaking of chunks, does anyone know if Froy has gotten to see Chunks since he escaped from Shawshank???