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Kilroy Was Here- 'Hee Haw Style' starring Tommy Shaw & Dennis DeYoung

'All I want to do is rock, I have soooo much angst inside of me and I need to release it in my music'. Tommy Shaw speaking before his release of his new Blue Plat..., I mean Blue Hai.... , err Blue Grass CD Kilroy Was Here 'Hee Haw Style'

what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

Toph wrote:

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

Not to mention it was brought up when they kicked Dennis to the curb as well. They were so held back in creativity with Dennis in the band. Wheres all the hard rockin' material that they were not allowed to do when Dennis was in Styx?

Boomchild wrote:

Toph wrote:

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

Not to mention it was brought up when they kicked Dennis to the curb as well. They were so held back in creativity with Dennis in the band. Wheres all the hard rockin' material that they were not allowed to do when Dennis was in Styx?

Damn Yankkes.

You know, that band that hurt Dennis' feelings when the mocked Babe.

Monker wrote: Damn Yankkes.

You know, that band that hurt Dennis' feelings when the mocked Babe.

I'd take you seriously if you knew how to spell

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Toph wrote:

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

Not to mention it was brought up when they kicked Dennis to the curb as well. They were so held back in creativity with Dennis in the band. Wheres all the hard rockin' material that they were not allowed to do when Dennis was in Styx?

Damn Yankkes.

You know, that band that hurt Dennis' feelings when the mocked Babe.

Oh, I see what you mean. Glad they put High Enough in Styx' set list at one point. LOL Still, where's all the stuff they wanted to do that was rockin' that they couldn't do because Dennis wouldn't let them. Sniff, sniff

Boomchild wrote:

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Toph wrote:

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

Not to mention it was brought up when they kicked Dennis to the curb as well. They were so held back in creativity with Dennis in the band. Wheres all the hard rockin' material that they were not allowed to do when Dennis was in Styx?

Damn Yankkes.

You know, that band that hurt Dennis' feelings when the mocked Babe.

Oh, I see what you mean. Glad they put High Enough in Styx' set list at one point. LOL Still, where's all the stuff they wanted to do that was rockin' that they couldn't do because Dennis wouldn't let them. Sniff, sniff

You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

Toph wrote:

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

look dicknose.....i know when the fuck he said but it was referring to THAT time in the band's history....god youre stupid.

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

StyxCollector wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

Thank you for the clarification, some people come in here with ASSumptions and half-truths. It's nice to see that someone KNOWS what they're talking about

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Toph wrote:

masque wrote:what cracks me up is how folks want to point out how much tommy wanted to rock...but the comment was centered around a time in their career shortly after they had just released their hardest rocking album ever in pieces of eight and it was 19 fucking 79.......so it's not OK in the 32 since that time to have your musical tastes change? or have some fun and revisit your bluegrass roots? let if fucking go.

Get your facts straight. He said that after Kilroy was Here - "I just had all these rock songs inside me and nowhere for them to go"....and as a result we got that head bangin' masterpiece.."Girls With Guns"...

Not to mention it was brought up when they kicked Dennis to the curb as well. They were so held back in creativity with Dennis in the band. Wheres all the hard rockin' material that they were not allowed to do when Dennis was in Styx?

Damn Yankkes.

You know, that band that hurt Dennis' feelings when the mocked Babe.

Oh, I see what you mean. Glad they put High Enough in Styx' set list at one point. LOL Still, where's all the stuff they wanted to do that was rockin' that they couldn't do because Dennis wouldn't let them. Sniff, sniff

You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

That's the best they could do? That's all there is? They have not done anything truly "hard rocking" since Dennis' departure. Based on the way they were presenting it you would think you would see a big difference. If TATT was not put on BNW I find hard to believe that Dennis had a lot to do with it. After all, it's been stated that he did not have much to do with the final say on that project. Seems to me that TS and JY were more in control of that album.

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

Thank you for the clarification, some people come in here with ASSumptions and half-truths. It's nice to see that someone KNOWS what they're talking about

Actually, I think he is wrong...It was to be one of the "new" songs on "Return to Paradise" but Dennis didn't like it and axed it. Don't know where he gets the 'supposedly' part since it was the band who said it, Tommy I believe, in interviews after Cyclorama was released. So, unless he is going to admit to being biased against them and is calling them liars...that part is wrong too. I'd love to reread the interview that proves this one way or the other...but since it is from 8 or 9yrs ago, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to know how Dennis had any power to 'reject' songs for BNW...since he seemed to be cut off from the rest of the band and obviously did not have much input on their songs at all.

Also, IMO, it is the most 'classic' sounding Styx songs released in decades...cut from the same cloth as Snowblind.

It is also nice for you to ASSume that I don't know what I'm talking about when arguing against BS posts from Boomchild.

Monker wrote: Actually, I think he is wrong...It was to be one of the "new" songs on "Return to Paradise" but Dennis didn't like it and axed it. Don't know where he gets the 'supposedly' part since it was the band who said it, Tommy I believe, in interviews after Cyclorama was released. So, unless he is going to admit to being biased against them and is calling them liars...that part is wrong too. I'd love to reread the interview that proves this one way or the other...but since it is from 8 or 9yrs ago, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to know how Dennis had any power to 'reject' songs for BNW...since he seemed to be cut off from the rest of the band and obviously did not have much input on their songs at all.

Also, IMO, it is the most 'classic' sounding Styx songs released in decades...cut from the same cloth as Snowblind.

It is also nice for you to ASSume that I don't know what I'm talking about when arguing against BS posts from Boomchild.

I think for myself, unlike you and the bias you have for Dennis. I take someone's word that actually KNOWS a lot more than you (IE StyxCollector and Sterling)

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote: Actually, I think he is wrong...It was to be one of the "new" songs on "Return to Paradise" but Dennis didn't like it and axed it. Don't know where he gets the 'supposedly' part since it was the band who said it, Tommy I believe, in interviews after Cyclorama was released. So, unless he is going to admit to being biased against them and is calling them liars...that part is wrong too. I'd love to reread the interview that proves this one way or the other...but since it is from 8 or 9yrs ago, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to know how Dennis had any power to 'reject' songs for BNW...since he seemed to be cut off from the rest of the band and obviously did not have much input on their songs at all.

Also, IMO, it is the most 'classic' sounding Styx songs released in decades...cut from the same cloth as Snowblind.

It is also nice for you to ASSume that I don't know what I'm talking about when arguing against BS posts from Boomchild.

I think for myself, unlike you and the bias you have for Dennis. I take someone's word that actually KNOWS a lot more than you (IE StyxCollector and Sterling)

You just contradicted yourself. If you truly 'think for yourself', you wouldn't take ANYBODY's word...and you would search for the interview yourself and find out. Instead, you let others who share your OPINION dictate the 'facts' for you..

Monker wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
I think for myself, unlike you and the bias you have for Dennis. I take someone's word that actually KNOWS a lot more than you (IE StyxCollector and Sterling)

You just contradicted yourself. If you truly 'think for yourself', you wouldn't take ANYBODY's word...and you would search for the interview yourself and find out. Instead, you let others who share your OPINION dictate the 'facts' for you..

Not quite, I listen to what people say and write and draw my own conclusion from that. Unlike you who reads and hears something and only take what you wanna see and hear from it

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
I think for myself, unlike you and the bias you have for Dennis. I take someone's word that actually KNOWS a lot more than you (IE StyxCollector and Sterling)

You just contradicted yourself. If you truly 'think for yourself', you wouldn't take ANYBODY's word...and you would search for the interview yourself and find out. Instead, you let others who share your OPINION dictate the 'facts' for you..

[color=indigo][i][b]Not quite, I listen to what people say and write and draw my own conclusion from that.

Thank you....that is exactly what I said above. You would rather listen to what somebody else says rather then finding out the truth for yourself. You don't think for yourself, you let others think for you. This is the second post in a row where you admitted it.

Monker wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

Thank you for the clarification, some people come in here with ASSumptions and half-truths. It's nice to see that someone KNOWS what they're talking about

Actually, I think he is wrong...It was to be one of the "new" songs on "Return to Paradise" but Dennis didn't like it and axed it. Don't know where he gets the 'supposedly' part since it was the band who said it, Tommy I believe, in interviews after Cyclorama was released. So, unless he is going to admit to being biased against them and is calling them liars...that part is wrong too. I'd love to reread the interview that proves this one way or the other...but since it is from 8 or 9yrs ago, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to know how Dennis had any power to 'reject' songs for BNW...since he seemed to be cut off from the rest of the band and obviously did not have much input on their songs at all.

Also, IMO, it is the most 'classic' sounding Styx songs released in decades...cut from the same cloth as Snowblind.

It is also nice for you to ASSume that I don't know what I'm talking about when arguing against BS posts from Boomchild.

I see so it's BS that TS, CP and JY forced Dennis out of the band because they felt restricted in what types of songs were being selected for albums and there wasn't enough rocking songs. So after they force Dennis out nothing about what they do is really any different. Face it, they are just riding on their past and their statements about having this rocking music they couldn't do must be BS.

StyxCollector wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

One with Everything really fits that progressive style and is by far my favorite song off of Cyclorama. I wish Dennis was involved because he would have only made a song as great as that even better IMO. I think These are the Times is a pretty decent song and better than anything JY has done in a long time, but it doesn't remind me of classic Styx.

Monker wrote:Thank you....that is exactly what I said above. You would rather listen to what somebody else says rather then finding out the truth for yourself. You don't think for yourself, you let others think for you. This is the second post in a row where you admitted it.

LMAO! You're half-assed as always

Tommy doing this Bluegrass thing is really awesome for him as an artist. It's great that he has the versatility to do these kinds of things as a writer, player, and performer. I don't think it's fair to criticize this as an "OMG WHERE IS THE ROCK" moment. Tommy has always been the more musically diverse of anyone in Styx. 7 Deadly Zens is a living testament to that. There are all KINDS of things going on during that albums.

From a Styx perspective, I think it's ok to look at Cyclorama and wonder where the rock is. I think they had a real opportunity and even though it had some moments (Waiting For Our Time, Kiss Your Ass Goodbye) it really failed to deliver on what a lot of Styx fans (at least the ones I know) were expecting in terms of a great rock and roll record that was a departure. It didn't have to be Pieces of Eight... in fact I think expecting that would be unrealistic, but if they could have reinvented themselves the same way that Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony did a'la chickenfoot, it could have opened a few more eyes.

Ash wrote:Tommy doing this Bluegrass thing is really awesome for him as an artist. It's great that he has the versatility to do these kinds of things as a writer, player, and performer. I don't think it's fair to criticize this as an "OMG WHERE IS THE ROCK" moment. Tommy has always been the more musically diverse of anyone in Styx. 7 Deadly Zens is a living testament to that. There are all KINDS of things going on during that albums.

From a Styx perspective, I think it's ok to look at Cyclorama and wonder where the rock is. I think they had a real opportunity and even though it had some moments (Waiting For Our Time, Kiss Your Ass Goodbye) it really failed to deliver on what a lot of Styx fans (at least the ones I know) were expecting in terms of a great rock and roll record that was a departure. It didn't have to be Pieces of Eight... in fact I think expecting that would be unrealistic, but if they could have reinvented themselves the same way that Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony did a'la chickenfoot, it could have opened a few more eyes.

One would think that Cyclo would have been a much different album after the statements JY and Tommy made about not being able to do the music they wanted to do when Dennis was in control of things. Which leads me to believe the issue around the split had more to do with money and control of Styx itself.

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:Thank you....that is exactly what I said above. You would rather listen to what somebody else says rather then finding out the truth for yourself. You don't think for yourself, you let others think for you. This is the second post in a row where you admitted it.

LMAO! You're half-assed as always

Who told you to say that?

Boomchild wrote:

Ash wrote:Tommy doing this Bluegrass thing is really awesome for him as an artist. It's great that he has the versatility to do these kinds of things as a writer, player, and performer. I don't think it's fair to criticize this as an "OMG WHERE IS THE ROCK" moment. Tommy has always been the more musically diverse of anyone in Styx. 7 Deadly Zens is a living testament to that. There are all KINDS of things going on during that albums.

From a Styx perspective, I think it's ok to look at Cyclorama and wonder where the rock is. I think they had a real opportunity and even though it had some moments (Waiting For Our Time, Kiss Your Ass Goodbye) it really failed to deliver on what a lot of Styx fans (at least the ones I know) were expecting in terms of a great rock and roll record that was a departure. It didn't have to be Pieces of Eight... in fact I think expecting that would be unrealistic, but if they could have reinvented themselves the same way that Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony did a'la chickenfoot, it could have opened a few more eyes.

One would think that Cyclo would have been a much different album after the statements JY and Tommy made about not being able to do the music they wanted to do when Dennis was in control of things. Which leads me to believe the issue around the split had more to do with money and control of Styx itself.

It's too bad people like you can't let go and just enjoy a great album. There is nothing wrong with Cyclorama the way it is. There isn't a need to have more half-assed attempts at 'hard rock'. It's a sound bite of what Styx was at that moment, and that's more then fine with me.

Boomchild wrote:

Monker wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

Thank you for the clarification, some people come in here with ASSumptions and half-truths. It's nice to see that someone KNOWS what they're talking about

Actually, I think he is wrong...It was to be one of the "new" songs on "Return to Paradise" but Dennis didn't like it and axed it. Don't know where he gets the 'supposedly' part since it was the band who said it, Tommy I believe, in interviews after Cyclorama was released. So, unless he is going to admit to being biased against them and is calling them liars...that part is wrong too. I'd love to reread the interview that proves this one way or the other...but since it is from 8 or 9yrs ago, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to know how Dennis had any power to 'reject' songs for BNW...since he seemed to be cut off from the rest of the band and obviously did not have much input on their songs at all.

Also, IMO, it is the most 'classic' sounding Styx songs released in decades...cut from the same cloth as Snowblind.

It is also nice for you to ASSume that I don't know what I'm talking about when arguing against BS posts from Boomchild.

I see so it's BS that TS, CP and JY forced Dennis out of the band because they felt restricted in what types of songs were being selected for albums and there wasn't enough rocking songs. So after they force Dennis out nothing about what they do is really any different. Face it, they are just riding on their past and their statements about having this rocking music they couldn't do must be BS.

No, what's BS is you believing this being 'the reason' Dennis is out of the band.

The reason he is out of the band is he was splitting his time between Styx and Hunchback even before BNW was recorded, refused to tour, became a whiney bitch after they started touring without him, and then sued the band. You can make any excuses you want...but that's the bottom line.

True, I don't think they were happy with some of the song choices prior to Kilroy, and Kilroy as a whole, but I absolutely do not believe that is why he is out of the band today. Also, without Dennis being so controlling, they had a bit more freedom to do what they wanted to do...which is to be a 'rock band'....and not some band doing Hunchback tunes.

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Monker wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:You mean like "These Are the Times" on Cyclorama, which Dennis axed because he had forgotten what a Styx song should sound like?

How can Dennis axe the song when he wasn't even in the band anymore?

It was supposedly presented for BNW and rejected. TaTT really doesn't sound like classic Styx to me to be honest. Classic rock, yes. Some parts of Cyclorama were more progressive than anything Styx has done since the WN days.

Thank you for the clarification, some people come in here with ASSumptions and half-truths. It's nice to see that someone KNOWS what they're talking about

Actually, I think he is wrong...It was to be one of the "new" songs on "Return to Paradise" but Dennis didn't like it and axed it. Don't know where he gets the 'supposedly' part since it was the band who said it, Tommy I believe, in interviews after Cyclorama was released. So, unless he is going to admit to being biased against them and is calling them liars...that part is wrong too. I'd love to reread the interview that proves this one way or the other...but since it is from 8 or 9yrs ago, I doubt that will happen. I would also like to know how Dennis had any power to 'reject' songs for BNW...since he seemed to be cut off from the rest of the band and obviously did not have much input on their songs at all.

Also, IMO, it is the most 'classic' sounding Styx songs released in decades...cut from the same cloth as Snowblind.

It is also nice for you to ASSume that I don't know what I'm talking about when arguing against BS posts from Boomchild.

I see so it's BS that TS, CP and JY forced Dennis out of the band because they felt restricted in what types of songs were being selected for albums and there wasn't enough rocking songs. So after they force Dennis out nothing about what they do is really any different. Face it, they are just riding on their past and their statements about having this rocking music they couldn't do must be BS.

No, what's BS is you believing this being 'the reason' Dennis is out of the band.

The reason he is out of the band is he was splitting his time between Styx and Hunchback even before BNW was recorded, refused to tour, became a whiney bitch after they started touring without him, and then sued the band. You can make any excuses you want...but that's the bottom line.

True, I don't think they were happy with some of the song choices prior to Kilroy, and Kilroy as a whole, but I absolutely do not believe that is why he is out of the band today. Also, without Dennis being so controlling, they had a bit more freedom to do what they wanted to do...which is to be a 'rock band'....and not some band doing Hunchback tunes.

You're both right. Dennis was not in sync with the rest of the band and the band is not taking advantage of their 'freedom' and putting out new rock music.

I didn't know Dennis rejected These are the Times. I talked to JY on the phone during the Cyclo time frame and he indicated That Dennis rejected Captain America at one point. He actually said something like "it was rejected by a former band member who will remain nameless."

Monker wrote:

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:

Monker wrote:Thank you....that is exactly what I said above. You would rather listen to what somebody else says rather then finding out the truth for yourself. You don't think for yourself, you let others think for you. This is the second post in a row where you admitted it.

LMAO! You're half-assed as always

Who told you to say that?

Me, myself and I

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Ash wrote:Tommy doing this Bluegrass thing is really awesome for him as an artist. It's great that he has the versatility to do these kinds of things as a writer, player, and performer. I don't think it's fair to criticize this as an "OMG WHERE IS THE ROCK" moment. Tommy has always been the more musically diverse of anyone in Styx. 7 Deadly Zens is a living testament to that. There are all KINDS of things going on during that albums.

From a Styx perspective, I think it's ok to look at Cyclorama and wonder where the rock is. I think they had a real opportunity and even though it had some moments (Waiting For Our Time, Kiss Your Ass Goodbye) it really failed to deliver on what a lot of Styx fans (at least the ones I know) were expecting in terms of a great rock and roll record that was a departure. It didn't have to be Pieces of Eight... in fact I think expecting that would be unrealistic, but if they could have reinvented themselves the same way that Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony did a'la chickenfoot, it could have opened a few more eyes.

One would think that Cyclo would have been a much different album after the statements JY and Tommy made about not being able to do the music they wanted to do when Dennis was in control of things. Which leads me to believe the issue around the split had more to do with money and control of Styx itself.

It's too bad people like you can't let go and just enjoy a great album. There is nothing wrong with Cyclorama the way it is. There isn't a need to have more half-assed attempts at 'hard rock'. It's a sound bite of what Styx was at that moment, and that's more then fine with me.

There are some good songs on that album never said there wasn't. The way TS and JY were talking one would think that the material would have been different then what it was. After all, according to them Dennis was rejecting the stuff they wanted to do.