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OK, there are a few die hards that frequent this board in which Styx can do no wrong. Really, in your honest opinion, don't you think that it's time to put this horse down? Not only do they not have enough creativity to come up with any new music, but in doing the rerecordings, they have to revert to Damn Yankee songs? WTF? How can they (and ultimately you as their mouth pieces) think that the best is yet to come - that they aren't just a mockery of what they have become? Please tell me, what is the company line these days? - because I just don't understand many of these decisions - from a business standpoint much less a creativity/brand stand point. Has money become so important to support these guys various habits/pills/diseases/ex-wives,lovers, or whatever that all sense of logic and common sense have gone out the window?

Its like a car wreck - you see if and know its bad, but you just can't look away. As SNL once said, this is a situation where "even the most die hard fan has to admit that something is seriously wrong..."

I saw an interview with David Coverdale on TMS and was discussing the new album he and Whitesnake released or were releasing at the time of taping. He mentioned that he really had no intention of making a new album. He had so many other things going on that he would have been content to just tour for I guess the remainder of Whitesnake's tenure. The point is that music, especially hard rock music doesn't sell. Tickets maybe, but not albums. As much as I want a new Styx album of original material, I understand why they don't record one. It's a lot to put into something that won't make you money. They make money from touring, like most hard rock acts these days. It pains me to say this, but there is no demand for a new Styx album. I wish things were different...

Toph wrote:OK, there are a few die hards that frequent this board in which Styx can do no wrong. Really, in your honest opinion, don't you think that it's time to put this horse down? Not only do they not have enough creativity to come up with any new music, but in doing the rerecording, they have to revert to Damn Yankee songs? WTF? How can they (and ultimately you as their mouth pieces) think that the best is yet to come - that they aren't just a mockery of what they have become? Please tell me, what is the company line these days? - because I just don't understand many of these decisions - from a business standpoint much less a creativity/brand stand point. Has money become so important to support these guys various habits/pills/diseases/ex-wives,lovers, or whatever that all sense of logic and common sense have gone out the window?

Its like a car wreck - you see if and know its bad, but you just can't look away. As SNL once said, this is a situation where "even the most die hard fan has to admit that something is seriously wrong..."

The bottom line Toph is Tommy Shaw JY and Brusco are very dumb people. Shaw is a drug addict who sold his rights to Dennis and now has to fuck him for his stupid mistake one of many. JY is a sheep following the illiterate Tommy Shaw who thinks he is now STYX,
Fine Tommy you are STYX big deal. Pretend that everything is the same or better than before, Real STYX fans are not stupid like you and your group of followers. This show will never end Its all about money . Sell the T shirts coffee and cds at the merch table to the fools who keep coming back for more, They don't care about any so called fans Gowan is proof of that, This guy can't sing his way out of a paper bag, But Shaw careless as long as they get there 10K per show,

Baron Von Bielski wrote:I saw an interview with David Coverdale on TMS and was discussing the new album he and Whitesnake released or were releasing at the time of taping. He mentioned that he really had no intention of making a new album. He had so many other things going on that he would have been content to just tour for I guess the remainder of Whitesnake's tenure. The point is that music, especially hard rock music doesn't sell. Tickets maybe, but not albums. As much as I want a new Styx album of original material, I understand why they don't record one. It's a lot to put into something that won't make you money. They make money from touring, like most hard rock acts these days. It pains me to say this, but there is no demand for a new Styx album. I wish things were different...

One would think that they are producing these Regeneration projects in their own home studios. I would argue that it would cost them about the same money to produce an album of new material doing it the same way. I would also think that they would sell just about the same amount as these rerecords.

froy wrote:

Toph wrote:OK, there are a few die hards that frequent this board in which Styx can do no wrong. Really, in your honest opinion, don't you think that it's time to put this horse down? Not only do they not have enough creativity to come up with any new music, but in doing the rerecording, they have to revert to Damn Yankee songs? WTF? How can they (and ultimately you as their mouth pieces) think that the best is yet to come - that they aren't just a mockery of what they have become? Please tell me, what is the company line these days? - because I just don't understand many of these decisions - from a business standpoint much less a creativity/brand stand point. Has money become so important to support these guys various habits/pills/diseases/ex-wives,lovers, or whatever that all sense of logic and common sense have gone out the window?

Its like a car wreck - you see if and know its bad, but you just can't look away. As SNL once said, this is a situation where "even the most die hard fan has to admit that something is seriously wrong..."

The bottom line Toph is Tommy Shaw JY and Brusco are very dumb people. Shaw is a drug addict who sold his rights to Dennis and now has to fuck him for his stupid mistake one of many. JY is a sheep following the illiterate Tommy Shaw who thinks he is now STYX,
Fine Tommy you are STYX big deal. Pretend that everything is the same or better than before, Real STYX fans are not stupid like you and your group of followers. This show will never end Its all about money . Sell the T shirts coffee and cds at the merch table to the fools who keep coming back for more, They don't care about any so called fans Gowan is proof of that, This guy can't sing his way out of a paper bag, But Shaw careless as long as they get there 10K per show,

It sure looks like they are just interested in collecting the checks for the same old same old.

froy wrote:

Toph wrote:OK, there are a few die hards that frequent this board in which Styx can do no wrong. Really, in your honest opinion, don't you think that it's time to put this horse down? Not only do they not have enough creativity to come up with any new music, but in doing the rerecording, they have to revert to Damn Yankee songs? WTF? How can they (and ultimately you as their mouth pieces) think that the best is yet to come - that they aren't just a mockery of what they have become? Please tell me, what is the company line these days? - because I just don't understand many of these decisions - from a business standpoint much less a creativity/brand stand point. Has money become so important to support these guys various habits/pills/diseases/ex-wives,lovers, or whatever that all sense of logic and common sense have gone out the window?

Its like a car wreck - you see if and know its bad, but you just can't look away. As SNL once said, this is a situation where "even the most die hard fan has to admit that something is seriously wrong..."

The bottom line Toph is Tommy Shaw JY and Brusco are very dumb people. Shaw is a drug addict who sold his rights to Dennis and now has to fuck him for his stupid mistake one of many. JY is a sheep following the illiterate Tommy Shaw who thinks he is now STYX,
Fine Tommy you are STYX big deal. Pretend that everything is the same or better than before, Real STYX fans are not stupid like you and your group of followers. This show will never end Its all about money . Sell the T shirts coffee and cds at the merch table to the fools who keep coming back for more, They don't care about any so called fans Gowan is proof of that, This guy can't sing his way out of a paper bag, But Shaw careless as long as they get there 10K per show,

You really are an ass fred. Do you walk in TY shoes???????? I did not think so you have no clue if he is on drugs.I believe he is clean.You are barking up the worng tree son.Cause Charile & Tommy, are smart men.and know what they are doing.Styx still has fans that see them year after year & bring new fans with them.Everything with you starts & ends with money.Yes they want their paychecks.But threy all love the music & live for it & the thrill they get from it.Also love their fans .If the fans stoped coming that would be the end of them.I don't need to say anything about LG, as you know my stand on that one.Fred if you don't like them why even come here anymore???????????????????????

I love baseball. If people are willing to go out and pay me money to watch me do the thing that I love I would be crazy to quit.

Should I try to develop a new pitch or learn to hit to the opposite field. Maybe I should. But if people basically just want to see me throw the same pitches or only pull the ball why should I try to do something different???

yogi wrote:I love baseball. If people are willing to go out and pay me money to watch me do the thing that I love I would be crazy to quit.

Should I try to develop a new pitch or learn to hit to the opposite field. Maybe I should. But if people basically just want to see me throw the same pitches or only pull the ball why should I try to do something different???

Because your starting to suck at it that's why

"Babyblue"


You really are an ass fred. Do you walk in TY shoes???????? I did not think so you have no clue if he is on drugs.I believe he is clean.You are barking up the wrong tree son.Cause Charlie & Tommy, are smart men.and know what they are doing.Styx still has fans that see them year after year & bring new fans with them.Everything with you starts & ends with money.Yes they want their paychecks.But they all love the music & live for it & the thrill they get from it.Also love their fans .If the fans stopped coming that would be the end of them.I don't need to say anything about LG, as you know my stand on that one.Fred if you don't like them why even come here anymore???????????????????????

Listen Baby all you are is a damn groupie, You would wipe Gowans ass if he asked you to do it. I'm glad I don't walk in his shoes
he a dummy, DUMMMEEEEEEEEEEE. You have never seen classic STYX so your not a STYX fan your opinions mean 0

Toph wrote: I just don't understand many of these decisions - from a business standpoint much less a creativity/brand stand point.

Really? from a business standpoint you don't get it?

Their are a lot of nostalgia acts touring and their always have been and their always will be.

The baseball analogy was pretty good. If people were willing to pay you a lot of money to do something you love and it's legal would you do it?

STYX is a business - a very good business. They take very good care of their brand. I know, I know, since Dennis DeYoung isn't in the band they have ruined their brand...blah blah blah. But really, who other than you and about 12 other fanatics on this board really cares or even knows? They are all aware of the value of the brand name STYX. Why do you think they fought to keep it? Why does Dennis go out as Dennis DeYoung and the music of STYX?

The brand name STYX is very valuable and they have done a good job of maintaining it and not changing it.

From a creative standpoint you can't say they didn't try. They released a very good album of original material with Cyclorama but the market just wasn't there. They tried to ride the wave of covers albums and got a good push with Walrus but ultimately the market dried up there as well.

Regeneration is purely a business move. It was fairly inexpensive to produce, They can ride the nostalgia wave, sell it at shows and make some money in advertising and movies.

There is no point in STYX releasing an album of new original material. The audience wouldn't want to hear it in concert, and only about a dozen people on this board (myself included) would buy it.

So in order to satisfy his creative muse, Tommy has released a solo album that is very different from the sound of STYX. There is no pressure to sell thousands of copies with the fear making a flop. This is his vanity project and it works for him. Gowan is considering the same thing.

So back to your point Toph. It seems that you think that if they can't be back on top of the world as a unified force with Dennis that there is no point in continuing. Well there are lots of reasons to continue. These are very smart guys with some very smart people working for them. They know how to give the audience what they want. They have managed to keep it fresh and return to markets they have played out by putting on the GI/P08 show. They have protected their brand, they are doing something they love and they are making lots of money.

Makes sense to me.

Boomchild wrote:

Baron Von Bielski wrote:I saw an interview with David Coverdale on TMS and was discussing the new album he and Whitesnake released or were releasing at the time of taping. He mentioned that he really had no intention of making a new album. He had so many other things going on that he would have been content to just tour for I guess the remainder of Whitesnake's tenure. The point is that music, especially hard rock music doesn't sell. Tickets maybe, but not albums. As much as I want a new Styx album of original material, I understand why they don't record one. It's a lot to put into something that won't make you money. They make money from touring, like most hard rock acts these days. It pains me to say this, but there is no demand for a new Styx album. I wish things were different...

One would think that they are producing these Regeneration projects in their own home studios. I would argue that it would cost them about the same money to produce an album of new material doing it the same way. I would also think that they would sell just about the same amount as these rerecords.

I would agree with the idea of where they're recording these, but my point also considered the time factor. They are making pretty much carbon copies of the original songs with a few variances, where as a new original album involves a helluvalot more. Now I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but at least I'm doing it without calling you an idiot or jackass or something of that nature. We know how it goes around here sometimes.

I would rather them record a new album of original songs. Much rather.

A better baseball analogy.....

The Atlanta Braves tell their fans "We're not playing this season against other current teams, because we don't have the talent and there is not the interest out there to see us play in 2011." Instead we're going to bring some of our retired players back from our string of division titles from 1991-2005 and they are going to act out what happened back then against other teams comprised of retired players from back then. But we are going to intentionally not feature John Smoltz and Chipper Jones (even though they were a prime reason that we were successful) because we didn't like how we were treated by them when they were here. Oh, and then, in addition to showcasing their time with the Braves, we are going to feature Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine's pitching AFTER they left the Braves and have their new teams (Cubs and Mets) showcased against other teams of retired players that have nothing to do with the Braves whatsoever. (regeneration featuring Damn Yankees songs)...And we are still going to charge you a lot of money to see this. And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

gotta wonder if the Regeneration stuff is selling at the shows.
The entire exercise seems pointless to me. With the last one, at least there was a new song on it.
With this one, I don't get it at all.

Yeah, they COULD do an album of original music and sell it in this manner. I'd buy it in a flat second.

But poor rerecords of classics?

Download for free? yes.
Purchase? no.
Listen? Maybe twice.

If the band just can't seem to muster up the creativity for new music, then a BETTER idea for them would be to do the thing where you go to a show and after that show you can download THAT SHOW. That makes sense and many bands do this and have success with it. The Regeneration CDs just don't make sense at all.

Toph wrote: And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

Work for the man Toph.

You should never go into business for yourself.

Toph wrote:A better baseball analogy.....

The Atlanta Braves tell their fans "We're not playing this season against other current teams, because we don't have the talent and there is not the interest out there to see us play in 2011." Instead we're going to bring some of our retired players back from our string of division titles from 1991-2005 and they are going to act out what happened back then against other teams comprised of retired players from back then. But we are going to intentionally not feature John Smoltz and Chipper Jones (even though they were a prime reason that we were successful) because we didn't like how we were treated by them when they were here. Oh, and then, in addition to showcasing their time with the Braves, we are going to feature Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine's pitching AFTER they left the Braves and have their new teams (Cubs and Mets) showcased against other teams of retired players that have nothing to do with the Braves whatsoever. (regeneration featuring Damn Yankees songs)...And we are still going to charge you a lot of money to see this. And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

That's a horrible analogy.

Baron Von Bielski wrote:

Toph wrote:A better baseball analogy.....

The Atlanta Braves tell their fans "We're not playing this season against other current teams, because we don't have the talent and there is not the interest out there to see us play in 2011." Instead we're going to bring some of our retired players back from our string of division titles from 1991-2005 and they are going to act out what happened back then against other teams comprised of retired players from back then. But we are going to intentionally not feature John Smoltz and Chipper Jones (even though they were a prime reason that we were successful) because we didn't like how we were treated by them when they were here. Oh, and then, in addition to showcasing their time with the Braves, we are going to feature Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine's pitching AFTER they left the Braves and have their new teams (Cubs and Mets) showcased against other teams of retired players that have nothing to do with the Braves whatsoever. (regeneration featuring Damn Yankees songs)...And we are still going to charge you a lot of money to see this. And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

That's a horrible analogy.

No you're just an idiot if you can't comprehend it...Everett...nightbull....babyblue....or whoever you are tonight.

kansas666 wrote:

Toph wrote: And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

Work for the man Toph.

You should never go into business for yourself.

Having a hard time understanding you"Dave"...maybe get your face out of Shaw;s ass and you may be more clear.

Baron Von Bielski wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Baron Von Bielski wrote:I saw an interview with David Coverdale on TMS and was discussing the new album he and Whitesnake released or were releasing at the time of taping. He mentioned that he really had no intention of making a new album. He had so many other things going on that he would have been content to just tour for I guess the remainder of Whitesnake's tenure. The point is that music, especially hard rock music doesn't sell. Tickets maybe, but not albums. As much as I want a new Styx album of original material, I understand why they don't record one. It's a lot to put into something that won't make you money. They make money from touring, like most hard rock acts these days. It pains me to say this, but there is no demand for a new Styx album. I wish things were different...

One would think that they are producing these Regeneration projects in their own home studios. I would argue that it would cost them about the same money to produce an album of new material doing it the same way. I would also think that they would sell just about the same amount as these rerecords.

I would agree with the idea of where they're recording these, but my point also considered the time factor. They are making pretty much carbon copies of the original songs with a few variances, where as a new original album involves a helluvalot more. Now I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but at least I'm doing it without calling you an idiot or jackass or something of that nature. We know how it goes around here sometimes.

I would rather them record a new album of original songs. Much rather.

Certainly it takes more time. Tommy found the time while still actively touring to produce his latest solo work. Not to mention that band members have stated that they have been writing together while on the road. So that begs the question, wheres the songs? It can be done if they wanted to do it. My point is that they has used just about every excuse in the book as to why they have not done it. You can also say that fans don't want to hear new material at the shows. That could be true but that hasn't stopped other bands like Styx from releasing new material. i just get the feeling that this band does not get excited about creating new stuff anymore. Which is truly sad.

yogi wrote:I love baseball. If people are willing to go out and pay me money to watch me do the thing that I love I would be crazy to quit.

Should I try to develop a new pitch or learn to hit to the opposite field. Maybe I should. But if people basically just want to see me throw the same pitches or only pull the ball why should I try to do something different???

Maybe the fans that come to see and support them are just as stale as the band they are coming to see. In a way it's a perfect match.

Baron Von Bielski wrote:I saw an interview with David Coverdale on TMS and was discussing the new album he and Whitesnake released or were releasing at the time of taping. He mentioned that he really had no intention of making a new album. He had so many other things going on that he would have been content to just tour for I guess the remainder of Whitesnake's tenure. The point is that music, especially hard rock music doesn't sell. Tickets maybe, but not albums. As much as I want a new Styx album of original material, I understand why they don't record one. It's a lot to put into something that won't make you money. They make money from touring, like most hard rock acts these days. It pains me to say this, but there is no demand for a new Styx album. I wish things were different...

Not an excuse. They could write new songs, perform them live and record them and release them on iTunes, or whatever...and do it very cheap with little effort.

But, I'm sure the crazy whiny bitches like Toph would still complain.

froy wrote:

Toph wrote:OK, there are a few die hards that frequent this board in which Styx can do no wrong. Really, in your honest opinion, don't you think that it's time to put this horse down? Not only do they not have enough creativity to come up with any new music, but in doing the rerecording, they have to revert to Damn Yankee songs? WTF? How can they (and ultimately you as their mouth pieces) think that the best is yet to come - that they aren't just a mockery of what they have become? Please tell me, what is the company line these days? - because I just don't understand many of these decisions - from a business standpoint much less a creativity/brand stand point. Has money become so important to support these guys various habits/pills/diseases/ex-wives,lovers, or whatever that all sense of logic and common sense have gone out the window?

Its like a car wreck - you see if and know its bad, but you just can't look away. As SNL once said, this is a situation where "even the most die hard fan has to admit that something is seriously wrong..."

The bottom line Toph is Tommy Shaw JY and Brusco are very dumb people. Shaw is a drug addict who sold his rights to Dennis and now has to fuck him for his stupid mistake one of many. JY is a sheep following the illiterate Tommy Shaw who thinks he is now STYX,
Fine Tommy you are STYX big deal. Pretend that everything is the same or better than before, Real STYX fans are not stupid like you and your group of followers. This show will never end Its all about money . Sell the T shirts coffee and cds at the merch table to the fools who keep coming back for more, They don't care about any so called fans Gowan is proof of that, This guy can't sing his way out of a paper bag, But Shaw careless as long as they get there 10K per show,

I find it amusing that someone who can't even write one paragraph without it being full of grammar and punctuation errors calls people dumb and illiterate. Too funny!

brywool wrote:gotta wonder if the Regeneration stuff is selling at the shows.
The entire exercise seems pointless to me. With the last one, at least there was a new song on it.
With this one, I don't get it at all.

Yeah, they COULD do an album of original music and sell it in this manner. I'd buy it in a flat second.

But poor rerecords of classics?

Download for free? yes.
Purchase? no.
Listen? Maybe twice.

If the band just can't seem to muster up the creativity for new music, then a BETTER idea for them would be to do the thing where you go to a show and after that show you can download THAT SHOW. That makes sense and many bands do this and have success with it. The Regeneration CDs just don't make sense at all.

They sell a couple of hundred a show. They want fans to buy the cd's, especially the signed ones. After having sold signed copies of virtually all the "this generation of Styx" CDs as well as the greatest hits Cd, they needed a new CD and the Regeneration CD's fill that need. Sell each volume as an exclusive to the show. Then just before you release the next one, sell it on itunes.

We know the other financial reasons for it, but I believe this has more to do with it than anything else.

The song choices on this one are a bit perplexing. Always felt that if they were going to re-record the originals, they should have teamed them up in a more then and now approach showing how they have evolved into what we hear today.

Also felt they should have placed at least one or two new ones on these. It would have appeased those looking for new music while filling their other needs.

Toph wrote:A better baseball analogy.....

The Atlanta Braves tell their fans "We're not playing this season against other current teams, because we don't have the talent and there is not the interest out there to see us play in 2011." Instead we're going to bring some of our retired players back from our string of division titles from 1991-2005 and they are going to act out what happened back then against other teams comprised of retired players from back then. But we are going to intentionally not feature John Smoltz and Chipper Jones (even though they were a prime reason that we were successful) because we didn't like how we were treated by them when they were here. Oh, and then, in addition to showcasing their time with the Braves, we are going to feature Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine's pitching AFTER they left the Braves and have their new teams (Cubs and Mets) showcased against other teams of retired players that have nothing to do with the Braves whatsoever. (regeneration featuring Damn Yankees songs)...And we are still going to charge you a lot of money to see this. And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

Not too long ago Bjorn Borg and John MacEnroe toured the country playing tennis. Of course, they do not play a full match. They are no where close to their prime of 30yrs ago. But, people flocked to see them anyway. They didn't go to see some awesome tennis - these guys are can't deliver that so much. People went for some nostalgia, to see two legends go at it once again, and >shock< have fun. That's why people went, and that why they did it. Because they all, the fans and players alike, just love tennis.

That's why Styx does it, too - because they love the music. And, so do the fans who still go to the concerts.

Too bad you whiners can't just realize that and let go if you no longer enjoy it.

Toph wrote:

Baron Von Bielski wrote:

Toph wrote:A better baseball analogy.....

The Atlanta Braves tell their fans "We're not playing this season against other current teams, because we don't have the talent and there is not the interest out there to see us play in 2011." Instead we're going to bring some of our retired players back from our string of division titles from 1991-2005 and they are going to act out what happened back then against other teams comprised of retired players from back then. But we are going to intentionally not feature John Smoltz and Chipper Jones (even though they were a prime reason that we were successful) because we didn't like how we were treated by them when they were here. Oh, and then, in addition to showcasing their time with the Braves, we are going to feature Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine's pitching AFTER they left the Braves and have their new teams (Cubs and Mets) showcased against other teams of retired players that have nothing to do with the Braves whatsoever. (regeneration featuring Damn Yankees songs)...And we are still going to charge you a lot of money to see this. And some of you, not many, but some suckers who will do anything to support us, will actually pay money to see this....

That's a horrible analogy.

No you're just an idiot if you can't comprehend it...Everett...nightbull....babyblue....or whoever you are tonight.

Your more delusional then charlie sheen. I know i know glen shoulda kicked my ass come up with some new shit dork

Boomchild wrote:

Baron Von Bielski wrote:I saw an interview with David Coverdale on TMS and was discussing the new album he and Whitesnake released or were releasing at the time of taping. He mentioned that he really had no intention of making a new album. He had so many other things going on that he would have been content to just tour for I guess the remainder of Whitesnake's tenure. The point is that music, especially hard rock music doesn't sell. Tickets maybe, but not albums. As much as I want a new Styx album of original material, I understand why they don't record one. It's a lot to put into something that won't make you money. They make money from touring, like most hard rock acts these days. It pains me to say this, but there is no demand for a new Styx album. I wish things were different...

One would think that they are producing these Regeneration projects in their own home studios. I would argue that it would cost them about the same money to produce an album of new material doing it the same way. I would also think that they would sell just about the same amount as these rerecords.

You are almost certainly right about that, but you're forgetting one important thing. Re-recording these old songs doesn't require much pre-production time because the songs are written and the arrangements are mostly following the old arrangements. A great deal of the budget for a new project is eaten up in pre-production - writing, woodshedding, arranging and so on. The band would either have to do that at rehearsal which is not always practical, or separately and piece it together via the Internet, which is how you wind up with crap records like the new Anderson/Wakeman snoozefest. This new thing is something where Todd will play the drums to a click and email the track to the next guy, who will dub his parts, and so on. Very little money spent, and someone gets a nice souvenir of a concert he saw. That's really all it is.

That said, I have to believe Styx could do a new record profitably. Marillion is recording new stuff all the time, and its fan base is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY smaller. Styx could pre-sell its albums and raise the $$, control the budget tightly, get in and blow through the ground tracks live in 1-2 days, and then the lead vox, solos and BGVs all dubbed at home studios on similar equipment, then bring it all together in a final mix and master session. As long as they had the elements recorded right to begin with, that would be feasible. The Stryper covers record was done that way, and it sounds great, and their budget was around $35,000.

If Styx put word out on its official web site that it was pre-selling a new album, and offered tiered purchasing - say $15 gets you the CD, $25 gets you the CD signed, and $50 gets you the CD, a poster and some exclusive webisodes about making the album or something - they could raise that much money in less than a week, probably by the end of today. So I don't accept that they CAN'T make a new album anymore. The ones in the decision-making positions don't seem to want to for whatever reason. I have to agree with everyone who has said that they don't understand the band's decision-making anymore. It seems especially comical to me that the band so adamantly refuses to play DDY ballads, but they are now recording and releasing that metal classic "High Enough. By the way, when that song was first released and Tommy was out saying how nice it was not to have to play crappy Styx ballads like "Babe" anymore, I remember an interview with JY in which he pointed out that Damn Yankees' current single sounded EXACTLY like a Styx radio ballad to him, LOL.

Bizarre. I still think this band is great live, and features talented players who are nice enough guys, but I am forced to agree with the prevailing wisdom that there doesn't seem to be a lot of forward thrust right now. I hope they will change that.


Sterling

Hopefully Tommy and JY will be jealous of all the publicity and money that Journey will be raking in with "Eclipse" and decide to get off their asses and write a record. Let all six of them have creative input. It would be as good, if not better than Cyclorama.

A topic we have covered multiple times, for sure.

When a group is having the level of success Touring Styx has now, and by that I mean money made from touring with other groups, and small shows on their own, coupled with a complete lack of creative mojo, you get the show souvenirs and that is about it.

The one truly creative member left in this band is Tommy and we see that his interest lies in writing and recording music that is decidedly non-Styx in style and content.

My guess is that putting the DY songs on the next Re-re-regeneration album is to spotlight the one, identifiable star and voice left in this band.

I truly believe he is the one member who has an actual fan base, outside the band as a whole, so why not?

Otherwise, touring with even moderate success has bred contentment and satisfaction for still being able to perform live. What is bringing in the money besides their fee is a nice added bonus. Doesn't really matter what it is -- t-shirts, mugs, keychains, re-tread recordings.


Bugsy

"bugsymalone

When a group is having the level of success Touring Styx has now

What level is that? This band makes no money touring other than from home made cds and tee Shirts,
The level of touring is an F

froy wrote:

"bugsymalone

When a group is having the level of success Touring Styx has now

What level is that? This band makes no money touring other than from home made cds and tee Shirts,
The level of touring is an F

That's simply not true. The last time I saw the band was just a few months ago, and it was an absolutely A-level production. And while Styx is not earning what it used to, it's still pulling in $30,000 - $50,000 in fees plus merchandising. That pans out to a really nice income from touring any way you look at it. Hell, I wish I was earning that kind of cash.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:

froy wrote:

"bugsymalone

When a group is having the level of success Touring Styx has now

What level is that? This band makes no money touring other than from home made cds and tee Shirts,
The level of touring is an F

That's simply not true. The last time I saw the band was just a few months ago, and it was an absolutely A-level production. And while Styx is not earning what it used to, it's still pulling in $30,000 - $50,000 in fees plus merchandising. That pans out to a really nice income from touring any way you look at it. Hell, I wish I was earning that kind of cash.


Sterling

30 thousand split 10 ways . That's about 3000 each . You wanna be on the road for 11 years in a row making 3000 a night more power to ya. You saw the 8 GI tour yea that was when they went all out with the computer screens, Whats going on today?