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I've read all of the arguments, and seen the various opinions. In my mind, none of it makes sense. TS has, and is creating new music. Whether you happen to like it, that's another matter. Although, it does seem that aside from the bluegrass CD, he does spend more time giving existing songs a new twist.

I don't like Gowan at all - especially the way he mangles DDY's tunes. However, Cyclorama was not a bad album - even his work. Again, each will have their own feeling on the matter. But it did, in some small way, keep them somewhat current (at that time). I thought it was kind of cool that a band I grew up with was still making music, even if it was with a scab. Would I have preferred the remainder of the original players? Of course. But, on balance, Cyclorama was probably a better overall effort than the disjointed Brave New World (which I just listened to the other day, and skipped about a third of the songs - including some of DDY's).

New music can be made, and distributed, more cheaply than ever before. Heck, the Regurgitation albums prove that (I won't buy them, because Gowan had nothing to do with that era, and they don't need to be re-made). They've taken the time to record, produce, etc. They spend their time on endless tours playing the same 8-10 song set over and over again as a part-time act. I just don't get it. I suppose that a new album would not permit them the ability perform any new songs live in the way they currently tour.

Hmmmm, maybe another experienced song-writer would change things : ). I know, I know, no chance. I'm already over it.

Keiferb wrote:I've read all of the arguments, and seen the various opinions. In my mind, none of it makes sense. TS has, and is creating new music. Whether you happen to like it, that's another matter. Although, it does seem that aside from the bluegrass CD, he does spend more time giving existing songs a new twist.

I don't like Gowan at all - especially the way he mangles DDY's tunes. However, Cyclorama was not a bad album - even his work. Again, each will have their own feeling on the matter. But it did, in some small way, keep them somewhat current (at that time). I thought it was kind of cool that a band I grew up with was still making music, even if it was with a scab. Would I have preferred the remainder of the original players? Of course. But, on balance, Cyclorama was probably a better overall effort than the disjointed Brave New World (which I just listened to the other day, and skipped about a third of the songs - including some of DDY's).

New music can be made, and distributed, more cheaply than ever before. Heck, the Regurgitation albums prove that (I won't buy them, because Gowan had nothing to do with that era, and they don't need to be re-made). They've taken the time to record, produce, etc. They spend their time on endless tours playing the same 8-10 song set over and over again as a part-time act. I just don't get it. I suppose that a new album would not permit them the ability perform any new songs live in the way they currently tour.

Hmmmm, maybe another experienced song-writer would change things : ). I know, I know, no chance. I'm already over it.

For me the answer seems plain and simple, this is not a band that is interested in producing new music. At best I think your going to get a a new lack luster song here and there. What funny is of what they have put out new recently isn't the hard rockin stuff that they so wanted to do when Dennis was in the band. Makes you wonder.

Keiferb wrote:I've read all of the arguments, and seen the various opinions. In my mind, none of it makes sense. TS has, and is creating new music. Whether you happen to like it, that's another matter. Although, it does seem that aside from the bluegrass CD, he does spend more time giving existing songs a new twist.

I don't like Gowan at all - especially the way he mangles DDY's tunes. However, Cyclorama was not a bad album - even his work. Again, each will have their own feeling on the matter. But it did, in some small way, keep them somewhat current (at that time). I thought it was kind of cool that a band I grew up with was still making music, even if it was with a scab. Would I have preferred the remainder of the original players? Of course. But, on balance, Cyclorama was probably a better overall effort than the disjointed Brave New World (which I just listened to the other day, and skipped about a third of the songs - including some of DDY's).

New music can be made, and distributed, more cheaply than ever before. Heck, the Regurgitation albums prove that (I won't buy them, because Gowan had nothing to do with that era, and they don't need to be re-made). They've taken the time to record, produce, etc. They spend their time on endless tours playing the same 8-10 song set over and over again as a part-time act. I just don't get it. I suppose that a new album would not permit them the ability perform any new songs live in the way they currently tour.

Hmmmm, maybe another experienced song-writer would change things : ). I know, I know, no chance. I'm already over it.

Because all they care about is $$$$ and new music wouldn't be profitable for them. They see this as a cash cow to support various drug habits, ex-wives, and failed business dealings.

Toph wrote:

Keiferb wrote:I've read all of the arguments, and seen the various opinions. In my mind, none of it makes sense. TS has, and is creating new music. Whether you happen to like it, that's another matter. Although, it does seem that aside from the bluegrass CD, he does spend more time giving existing songs a new twist.

I don't like Gowan at all - especially the way he mangles DDY's tunes. However, Cyclorama was not a bad album - even his work. Again, each will have their own feeling on the matter. But it did, in some small way, keep them somewhat current (at that time). I thought it was kind of cool that a band I grew up with was still making music, even if it was with a scab. Would I have preferred the remainder of the original players? Of course. But, on balance, Cyclorama was probably a better overall effort than the disjointed Brave New World (which I just listened to the other day, and skipped about a third of the songs - including some of DDY's).

New music can be made, and distributed, more cheaply than ever before. Heck, the Regurgitation albums prove that (I won't buy them, because Gowan had nothing to do with that era, and they don't need to be re-made). They've taken the time to record, produce, etc. They spend their time on endless tours playing the same 8-10 song set over and over again as a part-time act. I just don't get it. I suppose that a new album would not permit them the ability perform any new songs live in the way they currently tour.

Hmmmm, maybe another experienced song-writer would change things : ). I know, I know, no chance. I'm already over it.

Because all they care about is $$$$ and new music wouldn't be profitable for them. They see this as a cash cow to support various drug habits, ex-wives, and failed business dealings.

And you would this how??????????????? They care about the fans as well.But some don't seen to see it that way.

I think because they know that it's not going to sell in today's market. At least with the record deal they have now which is... what, exactly?

It's incredibly disappointing.

Seriously that this once great band, (who really DID fracture their whole thing with the attitude of "we're going to do things we've never done before. We're going to Rock...","We're going to create new cool music for our fans"- only to do nothing but one album) has become a major disappointment.

If you listen to Todd, it's because 3 billion people stole his drum tutorial dvd so why do anything new? Great attitude there.

I think their not doing new music blows. I like this band. I like DeYoung. They ALL need to do new things or retire.

Because there's ONCE AGAIN no new music on this tour, I'm staying home. Been going to Styx shows since 77. I had a chance for backstage passes because a friend is friends with the YES guy. Not interested until they do something new.

Boomchild wrote:For me the answer seems plain and simple, this is not a band that is interested in producing new music. .

Well actually they are very interested in making new music. But there are a couple of things holding them back. Money and effort is one thing. Why pour your heart and soul into creating something new if there will be no return. Their reputation is another. A new STYX album comes with a lot of baggage. Look how they got slammed after releasing Brave New World. There are high expectations for any release with the name STYX on it.

Tommy on the other hand can release new music without the weight or expectation that comes with a new STYX album. What he is doing is not much more than a vanity project to satisfy his muse.

kansas666 wrote:

Boomchild wrote:For me the answer seems plain and simple, this is not a band that is interested in producing new music. .

Well actually they are very interested in making new music. But there are a couple of things holding them back. Money and effort is one thing. Why pour your heart and soul into creating something new if there will be no return. Their reputation is another. A new STYX album comes with a lot of baggage. Look how they got slammed after releasing Brave New World. There are high expectations for any release with the name STYX on it.

Tommy on the other hand can release new music without the weight or expectation that comes with a new STYX album. What he is doing is not much more than a vanity project to satisfy his muse.

You'd think
they could remove that huge burden/cross by changing their name ...what good is it doing them?!?
Is it just a haha thing ...like who's crying now?!?

Michigan Girl wrote:

kansas666 wrote:

Boomchild wrote:For me the answer seems plain and simple, this is not a band that is interested in producing new music. .

Well actually they are very interested in making new music. But there are a couple of things holding them back. Money and effort is one thing. Why pour your heart and soul into creating something new if there will be no return. Their reputation is another. A new STYX album comes with a lot of baggage. Look how they got slammed after releasing Brave New World. There are high expectations for any release with the name STYX on it.

Tommy on the other hand can release new music without the weight or expectation that comes with a new STYX album. What he is doing is not much more than a vanity project to satisfy his muse.

You'd think
they could remove that huge burden/cross by changing their name ...what good is it doing them?!?
Is it just a haha thing ...like who's crying now?!?

That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

brywool wrote:I think because they know that it's not going to sell in today's market. At least with the record deal they have now which is... what, exactly?

It's incredibly disappointing.

Seriously that this once great band, (who really DID fracture their whole thing with the attitude of "we're going to do things we've never done before. We're going to Rock...","We're going to create new cool music for our fans"- only to do nothing but one album) has become a major disappointment.

If you listen to Todd, it's because 3 billion people stole his drum tutorial dvd so why do anything new? Great attitude there.

I think their not doing new music blows. I like this band. I like DeYoung. They ALL need to do new things or retire.

Because there's ONCE AGAIN no new music on this tour, I'm staying home. Been going to Styx shows since 77. I had a chance for backstage passes because a friend is friends with the YES guy. Not interested until they do something new.

I feel exactly the same about, as you put quite well, a ONCE GREAT BAND. It's really quite unfortunate. Regarding anything new, my point was, if they are taking time to re-record songs for the Regurgitation series, why couldn't they simply replace with some new music? Do they actually have a recording deal at all? I didn't think so - I thought they were self produced and distributed at their shows, on on their site. So, record some new crap (even if it's with Larry Boy), and sell it the same way. Who knows, maybe it catches on, and leads to a more formal deal. Hows that for optimism? No drugs involved.

Monker wrote:That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

well, the whole ousting of Dennis was supposed to be the big rebirth of the band. "Now we get to do what we want!" I guess that means repeating the last 40 years.... When Cyclorama finally came out, it seemed that it might be worth the wait. However, now that there's been a covers album and eps of there OWN songs covered by them, and a plethora of the same songs rerecorded for live albums... what's the point? YES they could do the same thing with new music and record it on their own, but for some reason, nobody's interested. I got no problem with Gowan and I don't blame him for what's going on and it's stupid if he's the guy that gets the blame from so called fans. The blame has to go with management and the band's lack of creativity. When Burtnik bailed, I knew things were bad, but not this bad.

If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band. Styx itself clearly has other things to do. Not sure why this is so frustrating, it just is.

brywool wrote:I think because they know that it's not going to sell in today's market. At least with the record deal they have now which is... what, exactly?

It's incredibly disappointing.

Seriously that this once great band, (who really DID fracture their whole thing with the attitude of "we're going to do things we've never done before. We're going to Rock...","We're going to create new cool music for our fans"- only to do nothing but one album) has become a major disappointment.

If you listen to Todd, it's because 3 billion people stole his drum tutorial dvd so why do anything new? Great attitude there.

I think their not doing new music blows. I like this band. I like DeYoung. They ALL need to do new things or retire.

Because there's ONCE AGAIN no new music on this tour, I'm staying home. Been going to Styx shows since 77. I had a chance for backstage passes because a friend is friends with the YES guy. Not interested until they do something new.

And they will keep touring regardless. They will survive just fine without a few diehards missing from their shows.

Michigan Girl wrote:

Monker wrote:That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

Monker wrote:Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band.

Dennis has stated many times he asked the band to delay the tour for six months not indefinitely. The other members did not want to delay at all. After they moved on without him what did the rest of the members expect Dennis to do but sue them. Dennis stated that he first tried to talk to them but they simply ignored his requests. After all were talking about a business that he helped build for decades and for the most part was his life's work. I think anyone in that situation would have sued for their share.

brywool wrote:well, the whole ousting of Dennis was supposed to be the big rebirth of the band. "Now we get to do what we want!" I guess that means repeating the last 40 years.... When Cyclorama finally came out, it seemed that it might be worth the wait. However, now that there's been a covers album and eps of there OWN songs covered by them, and a plethora of the same songs rerecorded for live albums... what's the point? YES they could do the same thing with new music and record it on their own, but for some reason, nobody's interested. I got no problem with Gowan and I don't blame him for what's going on and it's stupid if he's the guy that gets the blame from so called fans. The blame has to go with management and the band's lack of creativity. When Burtnik bailed, I knew things were bad, but not this bad.

If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band. Styx itself clearly has other things to do. Not sure why this is so frustrating, it just is.

All in all I think that is was more about the issue of how much touring they felt the were going to get with Dennis in the band. Thats were the remaining members would make their money. I would speculate that out of all of them Dennis made the most from song royalties so he was financially better off them most of the other members. They just knew that Dennis would not agree to a grinding tour schedule and that is exactly what they wanted the most.

kansas666 wrote:

Boomchild wrote:For me the answer seems plain and simple, this is not a band that is interested in producing new music. .

Well actually they are very interested in making new music. But there are a couple of things holding them back. Money and effort is one thing. Why pour your heart and soul into creating something new if there will be no return. Their reputation is another. A new STYX album comes with a lot of baggage. Look how they got slammed after releasing Brave New World. There are high expectations for any release with the name STYX on it.

Tommy on the other hand can release new music without the weight or expectation that comes with a new STYX album. What he is doing is not much more than a vanity project to satisfy his muse.

From what has been said by the band I don't get that vibe they really are itching to get music out. They have the means if they self produce and release. Some artists create new music because that is what drives them. They aren't always just thinking about the money aspect. As I said before if they put out a self produced\released album of new material it would sell just as much as the Regeneration re-recordings.

Monker wrote:You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

If you speak thee truth, it matters not ...I'm a realist!! If it's your truth,
I'll listen further ...thank you!!

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:Nice way to revise history, Monkey....not only are you half right, but you managed to insult people while you were at it. That's the main reason no one takes what you say without a grain of salt

1/2 right?!? He actually makes me laugh
and he really makes the whiny bitches look golden!!

Monker wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Monker wrote:That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

Prick award

Toph wrote:

Monker wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Monker wrote:That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

Prick award

Actually Monker's right on a lot of that. However, I thought Perry did sue the band and that's why he's paid as a 6th member (or was) on the Augeri tours. CYO- I had no problem with. I enjoyed that immensely. Regeneration 1/2 are silly moves. The covers album would've been palatable had they not followed it up with even more covers.

The fact that the band chooses to squander it's songwriting creativity is the problem I have with them. That and I've already seen the old stuff done to death. They need to take a break and get creative and do an album of original new songs.

brywool wrote:
If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band.

Yeah, because his last album...what was it called? did so well.

kansas666 wrote:

brywool wrote:
If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band.

Yeah, because his last album...what was it called? did so well.

Doesn't matter and actually, in Canada, it did QUITE well- and that with a pretty lame label. Sales from classic rock artists don't mean a lot these days unless they are through the roof and that's extremely rare for classic rock acts to pull off. Dennis doing another record sends a signal that "I'm ready to give my fans new music- and if I was really the creative force in Styx, here's proof". I would think the diehard Styx fans would appreciate that more than "... okay, here's another version of Blue Collar Man". These guys are artists. Artists should be creating new things. If they're just going around doing the same old thing for 30 years, that's going to get old and quite frankly, I can't imagine that for either camp playing the same old songs, night after night, with the same arrangements could be nothing short of maddening.

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Monker wrote:Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band.

Dennis has stated many times he asked the band to delay the tour for six months not indefinitely.

first of all, six months is an eternity to wait to tour for a reunion album. Second, even then there is no guarantee he would be diagnosed and able to tour. Styx would be incredibly foolish to take Dennis up on the bogus six month delay. Even though you don't like it, JY was correct on the BTM when he said that the doctors couldn't diagnose his problem, so how could he? NOBODY, including Dennis, knew how long it would be before he was able to tour.

The other members did not want to delay at all.

Of course they didn't - and they shouldn't have. I'm sure the label, management, the road crew, and nobody else wanted them to delay either. A tour is a huge economic endeavor...and effects the lives and careers of more then just the guys in the band.

After they moved on without him what did the rest of the members expect Dennis to do but sue them

Maybe to act like a mature man and suck it up and move on with life. At least Steve Perry wasn't a little cry baby after going through the EXACT SAME THING.

Dennis stated that he first tried to talk to them but they simply ignored his requests

So what...by then Dennis and his health made the decision to replace him a bit easier. Get over it.

After all were talking about a business that he helped build for decades and for the most part was his life's work. I think anyone in that situation would have sued for their share.

Go into your work and tell them you want to take six month off because you just feel dizzy because of the bright lights in your office. See how long it takes them to fire you. Then sue them and see if you are ever hired back again.

Toph wrote:

Monker wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Monker wrote:That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

Prick award

Thank you. I'd rather be a prick for laying out the truth once in a while then a whiney bitch who does nothing but complain about it.

brywool wrote:

Toph wrote:

Monker wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

Monker wrote:That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

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Actually Monker's right on a lot of that. However, I thought Perry did sue the band and that's why he's paid as a 6th member (or was) on the Augeri tours. CYO- I had no problem with. I enjoyed that immensely. Regeneration 1/2 are silly moves. The covers album would've been palatable had they not followed it up with even more covers.

The fact that the band chooses to squander it's songwriting creativity is the problem I have with them. That and I've already seen the old stuff done to death. They need to take a break and get creative and do an album of original new songs.

No...they negotiated Perry out of the band. He agreed to let them continue on under "whatever" conditions....which I don't think anybody REALLY knows...and he never sued the band.

I didn't say I liked the idea of Rgeneration 1 and 2 (and 3, if it happens) I said people here don't like the totality of what they have done since Cyclorama, and ignore the FACT that they haven't been totally idle. They bitch and complain when they DO something. They bitch and complain when they don't. If they released an album of new 12 new songs, they'd bitch and complain about that too. That is what this forum is for - bitching and complaining about EVERYTHING Styx does and does not do.

kansas666 wrote:

brywool wrote:
If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band.

Yeah, because his last album...what was it called? did so well.

Exactly...and it was actually good.

brywool wrote:

kansas666 wrote:

brywool wrote:
If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band.

Yeah, because his last album...what was it called? did so well.

Doesn't matter and actually, in Canada, it did QUITE well-

Oh, wow, and in Brazil it was #1 for 52 weeks. Nobody gives a crap about Canada...and nobody who isn't a fanboy trying to prove a fantasy. It did nothing in the markets that actually sell a lot of CD's.

Sales from classic rock artists don't mean a lot these days unless they are through the roof and that's extremely rare for classic rock acts to pull off. Dennis doing another record sends a signal that "I'm ready to give my fans new music- and if I was really the creative force in Styx, here's proof".

I'd love to see him do it. But, unless it is another Broadway album for some musical he is writing, I doubt it will ever happen.

I would think the diehard Styx fans would appreciate that more than "... okay, here's another version of Blue Collar Man".

I would bet you see another live album from Dennis and his band covering Tommy's songs before you see another new solo album. In fact, that may be why the new Styx DVD is coming out - Tommy agrees to let Dennis release his Styx songs, and Dennis agrees to let Styx release his songs. Sounds fair to me.

If they're just going around doing the same old thing for 30 years, that's going to get old and quite frankly, I can't imagine that for either camp playing the same old songs, night after night, with the same arrangements could be nothing short of maddening.

Again, I'll point to LRB. They have been doing the same thing for almost 20yrs...and they STILL tour and hardly ever record anything new. If any of these bands should die, it is them.

Styx will be around as long ans JY and Tommy are both alive and willing to tour. I'm thankful for that.

I would rather see a band (Styx) release a CD of new music every two or three years than hear the same songs played over and over every summer.
My hunch is that Styx has actually written and recorded a lot of music over the past few years and they are just not happy with the results.
Also, I agree that a true artist will keep releasing new music regardless of sales...its not like they (Styx) are going to lose money.
If bands like Whitesnake, REM, and John Waite have the ambition and drive to put out new music, then why not Styx.

Lastly, I am actually surprised Gowan has stuck around based on their output of new music, how can the guy prove himself with one CD in ten years?

Monker wrote:first of all, six months is an eternity to wait to tour for a reunion album. Second, even then there is no guarantee he would be diagnosed and able to tour. Styx would be incredibly foolish to take Dennis up on the bogus six month delay. Even though you don't like it, JY was correct on the BTM when he said that the doctors couldn't diagnose his problem, so how could he? NOBODY, including Dennis, knew how long it would be before he was able to tour.

Other bands have pushed things back because of various issues so it's not uncommon. And as far as JY comment it's not made clear if that was before or after Dennis asked for the six months.

Monker wrote:Of course they didn't - and they shouldn't have. I'm sure the label, management, the road crew, and nobody else wanted them to delay either. A tour is a huge economic endeavor...and effects the lives and careers of more then just the guys in the band.

Of course it does affect others. But without the artists they wouldn't have the work in the first place. They work for the artist and not the reverse. They assume the risks and issues involved.

Monker wrote:Maybe to act like a mature man and suck it up and move on with life. At least Steve Perry wasn't a little cry baby after going through the EXACT SAME THING.

You act Like Dennis was the only artist ever to sue his former band mates. Talk about being mature, it was really mature for the other members to just walk away and ignore his requests to talk. Besides, it is a business and they had agreements and contracts. They violated the terms of those and letting a third party decide what is fair is a mature way of handling it. You need to "get over" Dennis protecting his interests and terms of the agreements they had as a business.

Monker wrote:Go into your work and tell them you want to take six month off because you just feel dizzy because of the bright lights in your office. See how long it takes them to fire you. Then sue them and see if you are ever hired back
again.

You nor I know the full extent of how Dennis' illness was affecting his ability to perform. Funny that you would make this analogy. I have vision issues that did effect my ability to work and had to do exactly that. I didn't lose my job over it. Your analogy is weak at best.

Monker wrote: That is what this forum is for - bitching and complaining about EVERYTHING Styx does and does not do.

Since you have that opinion then why do you come here? Why not chose somewhere else to spend your time. No one will mind.