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I ordered it via Amazon and got the CD on Tuesday last week. Nothing really remarkable about the album other than that the version of CSA is vastly shorter than its original counterpart. Clocking in at barely 3 minutes. When it inserted the disc into my computer to add it to my itunes, it listed CSA as the single version. Now I was only 3 years old when it would have been released as a single so I have no recollection if it's accurate or not. Any thoughts on this?

It is probably the version of the song that was on the 45 RPM and released to radio.

Hollywood wrote:It is probably the version of the song that was on the 45 RPM and released to radio.

That would make sense, but I had heard the single version that was released to radio was not shortened. Wasn't that part of it's original uphill battle on the charts... length?

Keep in mind that when CSA was released, AM radio pretty much ruled the day and the accepted format for singles was around three minutes or less. It was pretty rare to hear anything longer than that, unless you listened to FM radio, which was in its early days. Is the version on Babe:The Collection at just over 4 minutes? If so, then it's the same version that Styx made that 1977 promo from. Although, and I'm rambling here, I could swear they made a promo of the song as it originally appeared on GI. Anyone else recall ever seeing that? I could swear I saw it on YouTube a long time ago, before it was yanked and replaced by the shorter version.

Oops, my bad, I just saw in the original post that the shortened version is 3 minutes.

Does anyone else recall a longer promo version of CSA? What was originally aired on Don Kirschner's Rock Concert? I have it on video, but unfortunately it's in Beta and I no longer have a Beta machine, so I can't watch it.

Why does the CD cover have a picture of Cyclorama and no actual songs from Cyclorama? That"s a first.

Cassie May wrote:Keep in mind that when CSA was released, AM radio pretty much ruled the day and the accepted format for singles was around three minutes or less. It was pretty rare to hear anything longer than that, unless you listened to FM radio, which was in its early days. Is the version on Babe:The Collection at just over 4 minutes? If so, then it's the same version that Styx made that 1977 promo from. Although, and I'm rambling here, I could swear they made a promo of the song as it originally appeared on GI. Anyone else recall ever seeing that? I could swear I saw it on YouTube a long time ago, before it was yanked and replaced by the shorter version.

Oops, my bad, I just saw in the original post that the shortened version is 3 minutes.

Does anyone else recall a longer promo version of CSA? What was originally aired on Don Kirschner's Rock Concert? I have it on video, but unfortunately it's in Beta and I no longer have a Beta machine, so I can't watch it.

I can transfer it for you Beta to DVD if you want t o send it,

froy wrote:

Cassie May wrote:Keep in mind that when CSA was released, AM radio pretty much ruled the day and the accepted format for singles was around three minutes or less. It was pretty rare to hear anything longer than that, unless you listened to FM radio, which was in its early days. Is the version on Babe:The Collection at just over 4 minutes? If so, then it's the same version that Styx made that 1977 promo from. Although, and I'm rambling here, I could swear they made a promo of the song as it originally appeared on GI. Anyone else recall ever seeing that? I could swear I saw it on YouTube a long time ago, before it was yanked and replaced by the shorter version.

Oops, my bad, I just saw in the original post that the shortened version is 3 minutes.

Does anyone else recall a longer promo version of CSA? What was originally aired on Don Kirschner's Rock Concert? I have it on video, but unfortunately it's in Beta and I no longer have a Beta machine, so I can't watch it.

I can transfer it for you Beta to DVD if you want t o send it,

Fred, that is really nice of you.

willspups wrote:Why does the CD cover have a picture of Cyclorama and no actual songs from Cyclorama? That"s a first.

My guess is,that the ones who made the collection cover, were also the makers of Cyclorama.

Baron Von Bielski wrote:

Hollywood wrote:It is probably the version of the song that was on the 45 RPM and released to radio.

That would make sense, but I had heard the single version that was released to radio was not shortened. Wasn't that part of it's original uphill battle on the charts... length?

It would have not been edited for Rock/AOR radio. But for pop station it was cut as was common practice back then. It is also on the single that way.

froy wrote:
I can transfer it for you Beta to DVD if you want t o send it,

Thanks, froy, I appreciate the offer! My old Beta tapes are packed away in my parent's attic; I'll have to dig them out next time I visit.

Hollywood wrote:

Baron Von Bielski wrote:

Hollywood wrote:It is probably the version of the song that was on the 45 RPM and released to radio.

That would make sense, but I had heard the single version that was released to radio was not shortened. Wasn't that part of it's original uphill battle on the charts... length?

It would have not been edited for Rock/AOR radio. But for pop station it was cut as was common practice back then. It is also on the single that way.

There was a 3 minute version that excluded the second verse and "The Odyssey" in the middle. If you hear it, it really sounds "off" - they add a keyboard at the end of the first verse to transition to the guitar lick and then after the first chorus they go right in to the "I thought that they were angels" part and then quickly fade out during the second chorus before the lead guitar really kicks in. It just doesn't do the song right. If you can get your hands on the original 45, you can hear the edited version.

In the immortal words of Billy Joel....

I am the entertainer,
I come to do my show.
You've heard my latest record,
It's been on the radio.
Ah, it took me years to write it,
They were the best years of my life.
It was a beautiful song.
But it ran too long.
If you're gonna have a hit,
You gotta make it fit--
So they cut it down to 3:05.

Toph wrote:

Hollywood wrote:

Baron Von Bielski wrote:

Hollywood wrote:It is probably the version of the song that was on the 45 RPM and released to radio.

That would make sense, but I had heard the single version that was released to radio was not shortened. Wasn't that part of it's original uphill battle on the charts... length?

It would have not been edited for Rock/AOR radio. But for pop station it was cut as was common practice back then. It is also on the single that way.

There was a 3 minute version that excluded the second verse and "The Odyssey" in the middle. If you hear it, it really sounds "off" - they add a keyboard at the end of the first verse to transition to the guitar lick and then after the first chorus they go right in to the "I thought that they were angels" part and then quickly fade out during the second chorus before the lead guitar really kicks in. It just doesn't do the song right. If you can get your hands on the original 45, you can hear the edited version.

You are exactly right. I couldn't have explained it better. It does sound off at the end of the first verse... it's kinda cool, but it sucks without the middle.

As one of America’s most iconic and successful bands of all
time, Styx is so much part of the national consciousness there,
songs appear regularly in mainstream TV shows and films on a
regular basis.

Styx rose to fame in the late 70s and early 80s as pioneers of
the pomp rock genre. This is what happened when American
bands took prog rock influences from the likes of Yes, Genesis
and ELP, and added in a melodic feel to make the music more
commercial. Their commercial power was such that they were
the first band in the States to have four consecutive albums
from 1977 - 1981 selling over two million copies each.

A significant collection of the band’s most prolific and golden
featuring a span of styles from power ballads like ‘Babe’ which
reached number 6 on the UK charts in 1980 and #1 in the US in
1979 to US hits ‘Lady’(#6, 1975), ‘Come Sail Away’ (#8, 1977)
and ‘Show Me The Way’ (#3, 1990) to pomp rock gems
including ‘Mr Roboto’ (#3, 1983), ‘Renegade’ (#16, 1978) and
‘Too Much Time On My Hands’ (#9, 1981).

Styx will tour the UK with Foreigner and Journey in June 2011.
4th June - Wembley Arena, London
5th June - LG Arena, Birmingham
7th June - Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle upon Tyne
8th June - M.E.N Arena, Manchester
9th June - SECC, Glasgow

Follows the success of Rush - Time Stand Still: The Collection
which has sold close to 30,000 units since 2010. Sleeve notes
by Malcolm Dome (Classic Rock Magazine)

Track Listing[s]

Compact Disc (Catalogue No : SPEC2065)
Side 1
Artist Title Additional
Info

1. Styx The Best Of Times Album
Version
2. Styx Too Much Time On My Hands
3. Styx Babe
4. Styx Boat On The River Album
Version
5. Styx Come Sail Away Single
Version
6. Styx Mr. Roboto
7. Styx Fooling Yourself Album
Version
8. Styx Lady '95
9. Styx Crystal Ball Album
Version
10. Styx Renegade Album
Version
11. Styx Lorelei Album
Version
12. Styx Mademoiselle Album
Version
13. Styx Blue Collar Man (Long Nights) Album
Version
14. Styx Heavy Metal Poisoning Album
Version
15. Styx Shooz Album
Version
16. Styx Snowblind Album
Version
17. Styx Show Me The Way
18. Styx A.D. 1928
19. Styx Rockin' The Paradise Album
Version

styxfanNH wrote:As one of America’s most iconic and successful bands of all
time, Styx is so much part of the national consciousness there,
songs appear regularly in mainstream TV shows and films on a
regular basis.

Styx rose to fame in the late 70s and early 80s as pioneers of
the pomp rock genre. This is what happened when American
bands took prog rock influences from the likes of Yes, Genesis
and ELP, and added in a melodic feel to make the music more
commercial. Their commercial power was such that they were
the first band in the States to have four consecutive albums
from 1977 - 1981 selling over two million copies each.

A significant collection of the band’s most prolific and golden
featuring a span of styles from power ballads like ‘Babe’ which
reached number 6 on the UK charts in 1980 and #1 in the US in
1979 to US hits ‘Lady’(#6, 1975), ‘Come Sail Away’ (#8, 1977)
and ‘Show Me The Way’ (#3, 1990) to pomp rock gems
including ‘Mr Roboto’ (#3, 1983), ‘Renegade’ (#16, 1978) and
‘Too Much Time On My Hands’ (#9, 1981).

Styx will tour the UK with Foreigner and Journey in June 2011.
4th June - Wembley Arena, London
5th June - LG Arena, Birmingham
7th June - Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle upon Tyne
8th June - M.E.N Arena, Manchester
9th June - SECC, Glasgow

Follows the success of Rush - Time Stand Still: The Collection
which has sold close to 30,000 units since 2010. Sleeve notes
by Malcolm Dome (Classic Rock Magazine)

Track Listing[s]

Compact Disc (Catalogue No : SPEC2065)
Side 1
Artist Title Additional
Info

1. Styx The Best Of Times Album
Version
2. Styx Too Much Time On My Hands
3. Styx Babe
4. Styx Boat On The River Album
Version
5. Styx Come Sail Away Single
Version
6. Styx Mr. Roboto
7. Styx Fooling Yourself Album
Version
8. Styx Lady '95
9. Styx Crystal Ball Album
Version
10. Styx Renegade Album
Version
11. Styx Lorelei Album
Version
12. Styx Mademoiselle Album
Version
13. Styx Blue Collar Man (Long Nights) Album
Version
14. Styx Heavy Metal Poisoning Album
Version
15. Styx Shooz Album
Version
16. Styx Snowblind Album
Version
17. Styx Show Me The Way
18. Styx A.D. 1928
19. Styx Rockin' The Paradise Album
Version

Could have easily dropped Heavy Metal Poisoning or Shooz to get a full length version of CSA and not missed a beat. Whoever created that compilation was an idiot. And the sequencing? Why would you ever have Rockin The Paradise as the last track?

Toph wrote:

styxfanNH wrote:As one of America’s most iconic and successful bands of all
time, Styx is so much part of the national consciousness there,
songs appear regularly in mainstream TV shows and films on a
regular basis.

Styx rose to fame in the late 70s and early 80s as pioneers of
the pomp rock genre. This is what happened when American
bands took prog rock influences from the likes of Yes, Genesis
and ELP, and added in a melodic feel to make the music more
commercial. Their commercial power was such that they were
the first band in the States to have four consecutive albums
from 1977 - 1981 selling over two million copies each.

A significant collection of the band’s most prolific and golden
featuring a span of styles from power ballads like ‘Babe’ which
reached number 6 on the UK charts in 1980 and #1 in the US in
1979 to US hits ‘Lady’(#6, 1975), ‘Come Sail Away’ (#8, 1977)
and ‘Show Me The Way’ (#3, 1990) to pomp rock gems
including ‘Mr Roboto’ (#3, 1983), ‘Renegade’ (#16, 1978) and
‘Too Much Time On My Hands’ (#9, 1981).

Styx will tour the UK with Foreigner and Journey in June 2011.
4th June - Wembley Arena, London
5th June - LG Arena, Birmingham
7th June - Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle upon Tyne
8th June - M.E.N Arena, Manchester
9th June - SECC, Glasgow

Follows the success of Rush - Time Stand Still: The Collection
which has sold close to 30,000 units since 2010. Sleeve notes
by Malcolm Dome (Classic Rock Magazine)

Track Listing[s]

Compact Disc (Catalogue No : SPEC2065)
Side 1
Artist Title Additional
Info

1. Styx The Best Of Times Album
Version
2. Styx Too Much Time On My Hands
3. Styx Babe
4. Styx Boat On The River Album
Version
5. Styx Come Sail Away Single
Version
6. Styx Mr. Roboto
7. Styx Fooling Yourself Album
Version
8. Styx Lady '95
9. Styx Crystal Ball Album
Version
10. Styx Renegade Album
Version
11. Styx Lorelei Album
Version
12. Styx Mademoiselle Album
Version
13. Styx Blue Collar Man (Long Nights) Album
Version
14. Styx Heavy Metal Poisoning Album
Version
15. Styx Shooz Album
Version
16. Styx Snowblind Album
Version
17. Styx Show Me The Way
18. Styx A.D. 1928
19. Styx Rockin' The Paradise Album
Version

Could have easily dropped Heavy Metal Poisoning or Shooz to get a full length version of CSA and not missed a beat. Whoever created that compilation was an idiot. And the sequencing? Why would you ever have Rockin The Paradise as the last track?

I was thinking the same exact thing. Shooz has no business on there... and I'm not saying it's a bad song or anything. Heavy Metal Poisoning has even less business being included. The Best of Times as an opener??? Doesn't really work.

Did the band have anything to do with this, or was it the label's doing?

What was the point of yet ANOTHER compilation package?

Who chose the tracks, and sequencing?

Who came up with the cover?

Why was this deemed necessary?

How is it better than any of the other 20 compilation packages throughout the years?

Why am I wasting time pondering these things?

Cassie May wrote:Did the band have anything to do with this, or was it the label's doing?

What was the point of yet ANOTHER compilation package?

Who chose the tracks, and sequencing?

Who came up with the cover?

Why was this deemed necessary?

How is it better than any of the other 20 compilation packages throughout the years?

Why am I wasting time pondering these things?

It had to be Universal trying to cash in on the UK market after Styx toured there. After all, it's released through the the UK affiliate of Universal.

Cassie May wrote:Did the band have anything to do with this, or was it the label's doing?

What was the point of yet ANOTHER compilation package?

Who chose the tracks, and sequencing?

Who came up with the cover?

Why was this deemed necessary?

How is it better than any of the other 20 compilation packages throughout the years?

Why am I wasting time pondering these things?

It's called milking the catalog for anything they can get. This was not the first compilation release and I'm sure it won't be the last from Styx' catalog.

Boomchild wrote:

Cassie May wrote:Did the band have anything to do with this, or was it the label's doing?

What was the point of yet ANOTHER compilation package?

Who chose the tracks, and sequencing?

Who came up with the cover?

Why was this deemed necessary?

How is it better than any of the other 20 compilation packages throughout the years?

Why am I wasting time pondering these things?

It's called milking the catalog for anything they can get. This was not the first compilation release and I'm sure it won't be the last from Styx' catalog.

Oh, please, how lame. These compilations are not released by Styx. So, unless "they" = the label, then you are wrong about them milking anything. DDY has about as much to do with this as Styx does....is he milking it too?

Monker wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

Cassie May wrote:Did the band have anything to do with this, or was it the label's doing?

What was the point of yet ANOTHER compilation package?

Who chose the tracks, and sequencing?

Who came up with the cover?

Why was this deemed necessary?

How is it better than any of the other 20 compilation packages throughout the years?

Why am I wasting time pondering these things?

It's called milking the catalog for anything they can get. This was not the first compilation release and I'm sure it won't be the last from Styx' catalog.

Oh, please, how lame. These compilations are not released by Styx. So, unless "they" = the label, then you are wrong about them milking anything. DDY has about as much to do with this as Styx does....is he milking it too?

I'm sorry did you say something????

Well, Styx isn't the only band putting out a greatest hits compilation; Journey is, too. They have even talked about performing an album in its entirety on tour (which really seems to be catching on with a lot of "classic" acts):

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey- ... its-album/

Cassie May wrote:Well, Styx isn't the only band putting out a greatest hits compilation; Journey is, too. They have even talked about performing an album in its entirety on tour (which really seems to be catching on with a lot of "classic" acts):

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey- ... its-album/

This is Sony's release,not Journey's. Journey has nothing to do with releasing these. Sony is releasing yet another compilation not too long after Journey releases a new album. In the end, I doubt Neal and Jonathan care much (and I doubt Tommy and JY care much about the Styx compilation)...it just means they get a few extra dollars for their writing credits, with no effort on their part. It's the label 'cashing in' and the writers get some royalties as a side benefit.

Also, DDY should receive more 'cash in' money then either Tommy or JY....people should be pointing fingers at him before Tommy and JY...even if they are wrong. Just shows the amount of bias on this forum.

As for Neal's comment about performing an album....it reads like some kinda off the cuff remark with little weight behind it, which Neal does often. Journey is really not set up right now to perform Escape, or any other old album, on tour this year. They are in over their heads with Eclipse not selling well.

Thanks for the clarification, Monker. I was heavily into Journey during the late 70s-early 80s period, had all their albums, but did not follow them as closely as I did Styx. Journey was always more in the background, for me, along with Foreigner, and REO. I haven't bought a new release since Raised on Radio, but I did see them on tour in the late 90s, with whomever their first SP replacement was. It was a good show, but I recall being more blown away by how spot-on, eerily similar that guy's vocals were to SP's. I wasn't entirely comfortable with it, which is why I was glad that Styx didn't hire an exact DDY clone (which makes me unpopular here, I know). I am sorry to hear Eclipse is not selling well.

No clue why these labels want to release this stuff in so many different packages.

Judging from the track choices on this one, no one "in the band, out of the band" had any say on this.



Bugsy

Monker wrote:

Cassie May wrote:Well, Styx isn't the only band putting out a greatest hits compilation; Journey is, too. They have even talked about performing an album in its entirety on tour (which really seems to be catching on with a lot of "classic" acts):

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey- ... its-album/

This is Sony's release,not Journey's. Journey has nothing to do with releasing these. Sony is releasing yet another compilation not too long after Journey releases a new album. In the end, I doubt Neal and Jonathan care much (and I doubt Tommy and JY care much about the Styx compilation)...it just means they get a few extra dollars for their writing credits, with no effort on their part. It's the label 'cashing in' and the writers get some royalties as a side benefit.

Also, DDY should receive more 'cash in' money then either Tommy or JY....people should be pointing fingers at him before Tommy and JY...even if they are wrong. Just shows the amount of bias on this forum.

As for Neal's comment about performing an album....it reads like some kinda off the cuff remark with little weight behind it, which Neal does often. Journey is really not set up right now to perform Escape, or any other old album, on tour this year. They are in over their heads with Eclipse not selling well.

Whenever Monker speaks, the Bullshit meter goes off.

Here is the real story on Greatest Hits Volume 2. Steve Perry is very much behind this release. He is the one that even chose the songs. Your comment about Journey having nothing to do with is completely bogus - Perry is heavily involved. Jonathan and Neal must also give their blessing and also had to bless the songs selected.

As far as Dennis getting more "cash in", we'd all like to know how you arrived at that one. Do you have a copy of the out of court settlement that was signed by all parties at the conclusion of the lawsuit that outlines the royalty percentage of each member? Because I'm sure everyone here would be interested in knowing more about that.

But I surmise that you do not have access to this information and thus will crawl back into your b.s. world and come up with more blather...

Wouldn't Dennis have more cash in than either Tommy or JY because he has more lead or co- writing credits on the songs selected? Of course, I don't know what their settlement was, but, just by looking at the songs listed, I count 10 lead or co-writes for Dennis, compared to Tommy's 9. Just wondering.

Cassie May wrote:Wouldn't Dennis have more cash in than either Tommy or JY because he has more lead or co- writing credits on the songs selected? Of course, I don't know what their settlement was, but, just by looking at the songs listed, I count 10 lead or co-writes for Dennis, compared to Tommy's 9. Just wondering.

Exactly....at least somebody in this forum actually has common sense.

That was also part of the rift between the band and Dennis....He made the money off of the album releases, including any signing bonus from Edge on. The band made more money from touring. So, when Dennis stopped wanting to tour so much, it furthered the rift that already existed.

So, the people saying the band is 'milking' the Styx brand, and Dennis isn't are wrong because Styx doesn't release those albums, and ignorant because Dennis profits more from the writing credits.

Toph wrote:

Monker wrote:

Cassie May wrote:Well, Styx isn't the only band putting out a greatest hits compilation; Journey is, too. They have even talked about performing an album in its entirety on tour (which really seems to be catching on with a lot of "classic" acts):

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey- ... its-album/

This is Sony's release,not Journey's. Journey has nothing to do with releasing these. Sony is releasing yet another compilation not too long after Journey releases a new album. In the end, I doubt Neal and Jonathan care much (and I doubt Tommy and JY care much about the Styx compilation)...it just means they get a few extra dollars for their writing credits, with no effort on their part. It's the label 'cashing in' and the writers get some royalties as a side benefit.

Also, DDY should receive more 'cash in' money then either Tommy or JY....people should be pointing fingers at him before Tommy and JY...even if they are wrong. Just shows the amount of bias on this forum.

As for Neal's comment about performing an album....it reads like some kinda off the cuff remark with little weight behind it, which Neal does often. Journey is really not set up right now to perform Escape, or any other old album, on tour this year. They are in over their heads with Eclipse not selling well.

Whenever Monker speaks, the Bullshit meter goes off.

Here is the real story on Greatest Hits Volume 2. Steve Perry is very much behind this release. He is the one that even chose the songs. Your comment about Journey having nothing to do with is completely bogus - Perry is heavily involved. Jonathan and Neal must also give their blessing and also had to bless the songs selected.

As far as Dennis getting more "cash in", we'd all like to know how you arrived at that one. Do you have a copy of the out of court settlement that was signed by all parties at the conclusion of the lawsuit that outlines the royalty percentage of each member? Because I'm sure everyone here would be interested in knowing more about that.

But I surmise that you do not have access to this information and thus will crawl back into your b.s. world and come up with more blather...

You just don't know what you are talking about.

Let's take Essential Journey. Yes, the band is consulted about what songs to have on it...but saying they had to 'approve' the list and therefore could cancel it is unheard of - not what happens. '

Yes, Steve Perry is heavily involved...especially if any remastering happens. But, they are not his project either....even Lora Beard has said that and if anybody would know, it's her.

Think of it this way, Steve Perry and Journey (or DDY and Styx) have a vested interest in any release the label releases that contains the old songs. They make money from the writing credits, and it's the brand that sells concert tickets...so they want to ensure it does not damage their future. Sony also has a vested interest in getting an 'ok' from the band...and the publicity of Perry working on it is good PR. If they don't they could go out and trash it and affect sales. So, they all play nice and all make a bit of cash. That's how Journey works.

But, Sony doesn't HAVE to do that. They can release whatever they want. They own the recordings - not Journey or Steve Perry. And, if they did not give an OK, GHLive, EJ, and GH2 would all be released anyway....because Journey nostalgia is hot right now.

And, if I am wrong....I would like Andrew to clarify - cuz I would be curious. And, I would respect his knowledge over that of a Styx troll.

Monker wrote:

Cassie May wrote:Wouldn't Dennis have more cash in than either Tommy or JY because he has more lead or co- writing credits on the songs selected? Of course, I don't know what their settlement was, but, just by looking at the songs listed, I count 10 lead or co-writes for Dennis, compared to Tommy's 9. Just wondering.

Exactly....at least somebody in this forum actually has common sense.

That was also part of the rift between the band and Dennis....He made the money off of the album releases, including any signing bonus from Edge on. The band made more money from touring. So, when Dennis stopped wanting to tour so much, it furthered the rift that already existed.

So, the people saying the band is 'milking' the Styx brand, and Dennis isn't are wrong because Styx doesn't release those albums, and ignorant because Dennis profits more from the writing credits.

Everybody knows Styx doesn't release these compilation albums. Universal owns the rights and they can do with what they want. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Just questioning the need for yet another compilation album... one with a few questionable choices as far as material included. It's simply Universal UK thinking they can cash in a bit after Styx toured over there. Who cares about writing credits... after all, if you write a song you deserve to be paid for it. If you co-write a song you deserve to be paid for it. All band history speculation aside, the fact is Dennis either wrote or co-wrote most of Styx's hits. That cannot be disputed. Therefore a compilation will contain more of his songs thus resulting in he receiving more royalties than the other members. None of that really matters to me anyways, the simple fact is the band had nothing to do with this compilation nor the Icon series that was released last year. Hell, they probably haven't had input on one since Greatest Hits 2. Though, like I said... all this doesn't really matter. Universal released a subpar Styx compilation... end of story.

To answer the original question, yes, the 45 and radio version was about 3 minutes. it is the same as the Don Kirchner video which is also on DVD on the cheapo Styx DVD collection (I think I paid 5 bucks for it when it was released).

Update your beta here:

http://www.amazon.com/Styx-20th-Century ... 386&sr=1-7