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Clearly edited and manipulated and probably funded as a puff piece by the current band and that scum bag manager. No journalistic integrity whatsoever. And they left in the complete lie about the Texas jam. Anything negative about DDY stayed in and anything positive was cut. It was a total puff piece by the band. Vh-1 should be embarrassed.

Good show. Nice to see how well the band is doing.

I was just happy to see Jeanne edited out. Too bad they didn't do the same with Suzanne.

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Good show. Nice to see how well the band is doing.

Wonder why they didn't mention the current tour in the 1500 seat halls?

How about how strong they were trying to make BBT sound. That was on the chart for 1 week and sold less than 50000 copies. It was the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen.

What was everyone expecting? A ball licking of Dennis this time out? Spare me. People who don't like Styx LOVED that BTM, so why would they change that basic story up?

Remember, at the end of the day, VH-1 is telling a story. Whatever side you believe (or not) in the Styx/DDY thing, or even you're in the middle, VH-1 is creating 44 minutes+ of entertainment.

Toph wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Good show. Nice to see how well the band is doing.

Wonder why they didn't mention the current tour in the 1500 seat halls?

How about how strong they were trying to make BBT sound. That was on the chart for 1 week and sold less than 50000 copies. It was the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen.

Or the one from last summer with Yes at the 15,000 seat halls?

Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

After the shit job they did the first time, I don't blame him

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

Cassie May wrote:I was just happy to see Jeanne edited out. Too bad they didn't do the same with Suzanne.

At least Suzanne was around when all the stuff happened unlike Jeanne who was pretty much wasn't around it at all.

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

Too bad they couldn't fit in a showcase of the Styx jewelry line and coffee blend. How could they leave out the most rockin' venue event to date "Styx on Ice".

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

I could ask Tim if I wanted to, but I'm not. I really have no dog in this fight and am not fanning flames on one side or the other.

Even if he wasn't contacted, would it matter? They weren't going to turn it into a pro-DDY piece (i.e. my ball licking comment) since the original BTM - good, bad, or indifferent in its original form - was popular. VH-1 wasn't going to radically change it. I would have been more surprised if DDY contributed.

StyxCollector wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

I could ask Tim if I wanted to, but I'm not. I really have no dog in this fight and am not fanning flames on one side or the other.

Even if he wasn't contacted, would it matter? They weren't going to turn it into a pro-DDY piece (i.e. my ball licking comment) since the original BTM - good, bad, or indifferent in its original form - was popular. VH-1 wasn't going to radically change it. I would have been more surprised if DDY contributed.

In a way it does matter. A least it would have given him the chance to comment on things if he wanted to. They could have at least mentioned his latest solo album and that he is still out performing with his own band performing Styx music. Too me the new content that was added was so one sided and I think that was not by mistake.

The biggest fluff part was the talk about the Super Bowl appearances. The way Brusco (i think) spun it you would think they were the half time show. Which of course would never happen. The runner up is JY's comment that they are focusing on "the most popular songs". Wouldn't popular songs be the ones that actually were on Billboard's top ten? Which is what they seem to avoid.

Toph wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Good show. Nice to see how well the band is doing.

Wonder why they didn't mention the current tour in the 1500 seat halls?

How about how strong they were trying to make BBT sound. That was on the chart for 1 week and sold less than 50000 copies. It was the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen.

Or how about the comment about the lawsuit: "Neither side is allowed to say we won". Well no shit Perry Mason, it was settled out of court, a judge didn't rule on it. Both sides agreed to work it out.

StyxCollector wrote:What was everyone expecting? A ball licking of Dennis this time out?

Toph dared to hope... Now he will only see that in his dreams.

brywool wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:What was everyone expecting? A ball licking of Dennis this time out?

Toph dared to hope... Now he will only see that in his dreams.

That's because Toph is a moron.

BTW, GI/POE dvd, Rosie, Styx on Ice....all within a few weeks.

Good job at timing all of that. Nobody of any significance cares if Dennis added anything...this was all about promoting Styx, not allowing Dennis a platform to whine again.

Monker wrote:Nobody of any significance cares if Dennis added anything...this was all about promoting Styx, not allowing Dennis a platform to whine again.

While I think it would have been better to have even a quick clip of DDY that was more modern to try and even remotely seem "fair and balanced", the chances of that happening (including DDY's participation) were pretty low given his opinion of the original edit.

The BTM is a good example of why some of the die hard fan base to this day is divided.

Like I said, it was about what I expected it to be. I didn't expect any huge, radical differences from the original cut as it pertains to how it was portrayed.

Monker wrote:

brywool wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:What was everyone expecting? A ball licking of Dennis this time out?

Toph dared to hope... Now he will only see that in his dreams.

That's because Toph is a moron.

BTW, GI/POE dvd, Rosie, Styx on Ice....all within a few weeks.

Good job at timing all of that. Nobody of any significance cares if Dennis added anything...this was all about promoting Styx, not allowing Dennis a platform to whine again.

Speaking of ball licking Monker.......how did Tommy's taste last night you fucking tool

ChicagoSTYX wrote:

Toph wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Good show. Nice to see how well the band is doing.

Wonder why they didn't mention the current tour in the 1500 seat halls?

How about how strong they were trying to make BBT sound. That was on the chart for 1 week and sold less than 50000 copies. It was the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen.

Or the one from last summer with Yes at the 15,000 seat halls?

The ones that were 1/4 filled?

StyxCollector wrote:What was everyone expecting? A ball licking of Dennis this time out? Spare me. People who don't like Styx LOVED that BTM, so why would they change that basic story up?

Remember, at the end of the day, VH-1 is telling a story. Whatever side you believe (or not) in the Styx/DDY thing, or even you're in the middle, VH-1 is creating 44 minutes+ of entertainment.

I thought you were a so called journalist Alan? Clearly not since you can't even tell the difference between journalistic integrity and a puff piece. How a mention of 100 years? Dalmatians? Orchestra? Hunchback theater awards etc. How about even a mention off DDY today at all? Instead it becomes a Tommy Shaw wankfest which I'm sure Monker played with himself along with but was pretty far stretch from the truth in many instances. The super bowl line. Give me a break. But it clears up for me to know that you aren't the journalist you puport yourself to be otherwise you'd see it as a hack job.

StyxCollector wrote:

Monker wrote:Nobody of any significance cares if Dennis added anything...this was all about promoting Styx, not allowing Dennis a platform to whine again.

While I think it would have been better to have even a quick clip of DDY that was more modern to try and even remotely seem "fair and balanced", the chances of that happening (including DDY's participation) were pretty low given his opinion of the original edit.

The BTM is a good example of why some of the die hard fan base to this day is divided.

Like I said, it was about what I expected it to be. I didn't expect any huge, radical differences from the original cut as it pertains to how it was portrayed.

Or how they didn't mention the check that they pay him every time they go out there and play.

Does anyone really give a shite about VH1 anymore anyway? Seriously. Who watches it?

SSDD.... moving right along. Nothing to see. These guys are in their 60's and the next time you blink your eyes, they will be pushing 70. I think it may be time to let it go.

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

I've got some calls and emails in to various potential sources as we speak. If I can get the participation I need to pull it off, I'll write an article this week.


Sterling

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

Why would they contact him. The show is about Styx. His part in the band was already included in the show. The past has not changed. The new parts of the show are about the band from where the show left off last time. DDY is not part of that.

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

I could ask Tim if I wanted to, but I'm not. I really have no dog in this fight and am not fanning flames on one side or the other.

Even if he wasn't contacted, would it matter? They weren't going to turn it into a pro-DDY piece (i.e. my ball licking comment) since the original BTM - good, bad, or indifferent in its original form - was popular. VH-1 wasn't going to radically change it. I would have been more surprised if DDY contributed.

In a way it does matter. A least it would have given him the chance to comment on things if he wanted to. They could have at least mentioned his latest solo album and that he is still out performing with his own band performing Styx music. Too me the new content that was added was so one sided and I think that was not by mistake.

The biggest fluff part was the talk about the Super Bowl appearances. The way Brusco (i think) spun it you would think they were the half time show. Which of course would never happen. The runner up is JY's comment that they are focusing on "the most popular songs". Wouldn't popular songs be the ones that actually were on Billboard's top ten? Which is what they seem to avoid.

I have to agree to an extent that it matters if they asked Dennis or not. I can see them asking and Dennis declining, that I have no problem with. Them not asking at all? If that's the case, I have a serious problem with that. I know it's not 60 Minutes and you can't hold BTM to that journalistic standard, but c'mon, to not even offer any time for rebuttal is ridiculous. That'd be like me doing a documentary about Led Zeppelin and saying, "Nah, it doesn't matter if we get anything from Robert Plant or not," LOL.

I know some people in the DDY camp don't like certain elements of my book, and I understand why, but nobody involved on any side can say I never gave them the full opportunity to represent themselves. It's not only Journalism 101, it's also basic fairness and professional courtesy.


Sterling

Toph wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:What was everyone expecting? A ball licking of Dennis this time out? Spare me. People who don't like Styx LOVED that BTM, so why would they change that basic story up?

Remember, at the end of the day, VH-1 is telling a story. Whatever side you believe (or not) in the Styx/DDY thing, or even you're in the middle, VH-1 is creating 44 minutes+ of entertainment.

I thought you were a so called journalist Alan? Clearly not since you can't even tell the difference between journalistic integrity and a puff piece. How a mention of 100 years? Dalmatians? Orchestra? Hunchback theater awards etc. How about even a mention off DDY today at all? Instead it becomes a Tommy Shaw wankfest which I'm sure Monker played with himself along with but was pretty far stretch from the truth in many instances. The super bowl line. Give me a break. But it clears up for me to know that you aren't the journalist you puport yourself to be otherwise you'd see it as a hack job.

I don't really think that's fair or called for. Allan wasn't saying it was an accurate piece, he was just pointing out that nobody ought to be surprised. I'm not surprised, really . . . what are they going to do, say, "We hereby take back our previous version, it is now our pleasure to announce that Dennis was right all along"?

Seriously, randomly attacking people on the Internet isn't going to make this new edit any better.


Sterling

ChicagoSTYX wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

Why would they contact him. The show is about Styx. His part in the band was already included in the show. The past has not changed. The new parts of the show are about the band from where the show left off last time. DDY is not part of that.

Actually, the past HAS changed, at least in regard to some of the edits made to the episode. Some of what got cut to make way for the new material was little bits and pieces of some of the only positive Dennis stuff that was in there to begin with. And it's not because they didn't have more to work with . . . for the original show they had a long series of interviews with Dennis' manager they didn't use, and several other pro-DDY sources they chose not to use at all. They also went back to Tommy after speaking to Dennis, but only allowed Dennis one shot.

This new edit takes out some of what little there was to make way for pure, unadulterated promotion of the current band with no balance or relative criticism of any kind. The net effect is that it creates a storyboard of, "Dennis held the band back for 20 years and now that he's gone, we are the champions," LOL. I'm sorry, that's an awful lot of revisionist history with very little meaningful attempt at balance.


Sterling

Rockwriter wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

Why would they contact him. The show is about Styx. His part in the band was already included in the show. The past has not changed. The new parts of the show are about the band from where the show left off last time. DDY is not part of that.

Actually, the past HAS changed, at least in regard to some of the edits made to the episode. Some of what got cut to make way for the new material was little bits and pieces of some of the only positive Dennis stuff that was in there to begin with. And it's not because they didn't have more to work with . . . for the original show they had a long series of interviews with Dennis' manager they didn't use, and several other pro-DDY sources they chose not to use at all. They also went back to Tommy after speaking to Dennis, but only allowed Dennis one shot.

This new edit takes out some of what little there was to make way for pure, unadulterated promotion of the current band with no balance or relative criticism of any kind. The net effect is that it creates a storyboard of, "Dennis held the band back for 20 years and now that he's gone, we are the champions," LOL. I'm sorry, that's an awful lot of revisionist history with very little meaningful attempt at balance.


Sterling

True Sterling....and if it were possible, they would've just edited Dennis out altogether as if he had never existed

Rockwriter wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:

Boomchild wrote:

StyxCollector wrote:

ChicagoSTYX wrote:Looks like DDY did not want to involved in the new parts of the show. No mention of him or what he's doing now. They did talk about Tommy's blue grass cd and the styx GI/POE show.

DDY and VH-1 have had on OK relationship, so I'm sure they reached out to him. I could be wrong. But you can look at interviews from after the original BTM and his reaction to it. So what incentive would he have to participate this time around?

I would ask someone like Sterling to check with DDY's camp but, from the source I have DDY was not even contacted about contributing to this updated version.

Why would they contact him. The show is about Styx. His part in the band was already included in the show. The past has not changed. The new parts of the show are about the band from where the show left off last time. DDY is not part of that.

Actually, the past HAS changed, at least in regard to some of the edits made to the episode. Some of what got cut to make way for the new material was little bits and pieces of some of the only positive Dennis stuff that was in there to begin with. And it's not because they didn't have more to work with . . . for the original show they had a long series of interviews with Dennis' manager they didn't use, and several other pro-DDY sources they chose not to use at all. They also went back to Tommy after speaking to Dennis, but only allowed Dennis one shot.

This new edit takes out some of what little there was to make way for pure, unadulterated promotion of the current band with no balance or relative criticism of any kind. The net effect is that it creates a storyboard of, "Dennis held the band back for 20 years and now that he's gone, we are the champions," LOL. I'm sorry, that's an awful lot of revisionist history with very little meaningful attempt at balance.


Sterling

I guess my opinion is a little different because I have a friend who was a roadie for Styx in the 70's. After hearing his account of DDY and how he treated people and his demands I tend to believe Tommy, Chuck, JY, and Gary. But that's just me. I do know that Dennis did not want to do Styx full time anymore. He told me that himself at Tommy"s Chicago Boarder"s show. His comment to me and I quote was "there has been enough Styx for a while"