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Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:47 pm**

So, I had the chance to see DDY's show at the Keswick Theater in Glenside, PA this past Thursday. The last time I had seen a DDY show was in 2010 so it had been awhile. The Keswick is a good place to see a show since the venue has good acoustics. The only thing is they really need to do is renovate the place. It needs new seating among other things. I was surprised at how this venue has been let go. Especially since AEG is operating it.

As usual, DDY did not disappoint. They put on a very high energy show and the band was tight. Seeing clips on YT does not give justice to how good a band DDY has put together. The show was well paced, with the slower material put in just the right spots. I liked the newer lighting design which consisted of a lighted riser. DDY's voice was as powerful as ever. The set list consisted of the following:

The Grand Illusion
Lady
Lorelei
Blue Collar Man
Desert Moon
Mr. Roboto
Babe
Fooling Yourself
Don't Let It End
Suite Madame Blue
Too Much Time on My Hands
Rockin' The Paradise
Best of Times
Renegade
Come Sail Away

I was surprised that SMTW was not in the set as well as CB. I really enjoyed the reworked versions of Desert Moon with the extended guitar solo and RTP with Jimmy and August trading off solos. I also loved the acoustic version of DLIE. Some interesting things that I observed that night was the crowd's reaction to Babe and DLIE. In other threads here people have commented that fans don't seem to want to hear those songs as much and how they are forgotten since radio does not play them anymore. Those two songs got more applause and crowd reaction then others in the set. So, I think the common perception from a casual fan standpoint is the reverse. Meaning that the casual fan is interested in hearing those songs since they don't hear them on the radio all the time. The other thing is the whole debate of just which act better represents Styx' music. Frankly, I think it comes down to which one you are seeing. When your seeing the current Styx you'll get the response that they do when talking to other fans. When you are seeing DDY you get the complete opposite response. So to me you can't use it as bench mark as to which is the most accurate answer.

Posted: **Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:13 am**

Boomchild wrote:So, I had the chance to see DDY's show at the Keswick Theater in Glenside, PA this past Thursday. The last time I had seen a DDY show was in 2010 so it had been awhile. The Keswick is a good place to see a show since the venue has good acoustics. The only thing is they really need to do is renovate the place. It needs new seating among other things. I was surprised at how this venue has been let go. Especially since AEG is operating it.

As usual, DDY did not disappoint. They put on a very high energy show and the band was tight. Seeing clips on YT does not give justice to how good a band DDY has put together. The show was well paced, with the slower material put in just the right spots. I liked the newer lighting design which consisted of a lighted riser. DDY's voice was as powerful as ever. The set list consisted of the following:

The Grand Illusion
Lady
Lorelei
Blue Collar Man
Desert Moon
Mr. Roboto
Babe
Fooling Yourself
Don't Let It End
Suite Madame Blue
Too Much Time on My Hands
Rockin' The Paradise
Best of Times
Renegade
Come Sail Away

I was surprised that SMTW was not in the set as well as CB. I really enjoyed the reworked versions of Desert Moon with the extended guitar solo and RTP with Jimmy and August trading off solos. I also loved the acoustic version of DLIE. Some interesting things that I observed that night was the crowd's reaction to Babe and DLIE. In other threads here people have commented that fans don't seem to want to hear those songs as much and how they are forgotten since radio does not play them anymore. Those two songs got more applause and crowd reaction then others in the set. So, I think the common perception from a casual fan standpoint is the reverse. Meaning that the casual fan is interested in hearing those songs since they don't hear them on the radio all the time. The other thing is the whole debate of just which act better represents Styx' music. Frankly, I think it comes down to which one you are seeing. When your seeing the current Styx you'll get the response that they do when talking to other fans. When you are seeing DDY you get the complete opposite response. So to me you can't use it as bench mark as to which is the most accurate answer.

Watch it Boomer, you're destroying the myth that monker, masque et al are trying to put forth....

Posted: **Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:09 pm**

Toph wrote:Watch it Boomer, you're destroying the myth that monker, masque et al are trying to put forth....

I am saying that Styx isn't aiming at the "Casual Styx fan" audience. They are aiming at a broader "classic rock" fan audience. This does NOTHING to argue against that. If you Google what songs are performed on 80's pop stations, I'm sure you will find these other Styx songs. This entire thing has become a bit silly now with you simply grasping for anything you can find.

And, BTW, *YOU* are arguing they are selling about the same amount of tickets. Funny how neither Boom Boom nor you mention this is a 1200 seat theater...1/4 of the size YOU say Styx sells (5,000). Even if you divide that by 3, Styx still outsold DDY - by YOUR OWN ARGUMENT.

Posted: **Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:00 pm**

Monker wrote: Funny how neither Boom Boom nor you mention this is a 1200 seat theater...1/4 of the size YOU say Styx sells (5,000). Even if you divide that by 3, Styx still outsold DDY - by YOUR OWN ARGUMENT.

I could care less about the seating capacity of any of the venues. That's got nothing to do with why I went to the show. I didn't mention it because debating on which act draws more attendance is pointless. I think I made my opinion clear on that in the other threads where this silly argument has been going on.

Posted: **Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:05 pm**

Toph wrote:
Boomchild wrote:So, I had the chance to see DDY's show at the Keswick Theater in Glenside, PA this past Thursday. The last time I had seen a DDY show was in 2010 so it had been awhile. The Keswick is a good place to see a show since the venue has good acoustics. The only thing is they really need to do is renovate the place. It needs new seating among other things. I was surprised at how this venue has been let go. Especially since AEG is operating it.

As usual, DDY did not disappoint. They put on a very high energy show and the band was tight. Seeing clips on YT does not give justice to how good a band DDY has put together. The show was well paced, with the slower material put in just the right spots. I liked the newer lighting design which consisted of a lighted riser. DDY's voice was as powerful as ever. The set list consisted of the following:

The Grand Illusion
Lady
Lorelei
Blue Collar Man
Desert Moon
Mr. Roboto
Babe
Fooling Yourself
Don't Let It End
Suite Madame Blue
Too Much Time on My Hands
Rockin' The Paradise
Best of Times
Renegade
Come Sail Away

I was surprised that SMTW was not in the set as well as CB. I really enjoyed the reworked versions of Desert Moon with the extended guitar solo and RTP with Jimmy and August trading off solos. I also loved the acoustic version of DLIE. Some interesting things that I observed that night was the crowd's reaction to Babe and DLIE. In other threads here people have commented that fans don't seem to want to hear those songs as much and how they are forgotten since radio does not play them anymore. Those two songs got more applause and crowd reaction then others in the set. So, I think the common perception from a casual fan standpoint is the reverse. Meaning that the casual fan is interested in hearing those songs since they don't hear them on the radio all the time. The other thing is the whole debate of just which act better represents Styx' music. Frankly, I think it comes down to which one you are seeing. When your seeing the current Styx you'll get the response that they do when talking to other fans. When you are seeing DDY you get the complete opposite response. So to me you can't use it as bench mark as to which is the most accurate answer.

Watch it Boomer, you're destroying the myth that monker, masque et al are trying to put forth....

toph i would love to give you an IQ test.........if it was above 90 i would be highly surprised........do you not honestly think that DDY playing on his own in a 1200 seat theater means that ONLY his fans are going to attend? this wasnt some package deal where "casual" fans are coming to see styx, foreigner and def leppard........so, it goes without saying that DDY is going to play the songs that made him famous.......or at least the vast majority of them.

listen numbnuts, when I go see DDY I EXPECT him to play roboto, babe and dont let it end........if he doesnt that would be silly......i sure dont go to the show and expect him to not play roboto and instead play man in the wilderness.....do you?????

i will repeat again what I have said for your silly ass multiple times.......they are good songs......written well and performed well.....no argument from me.

however, when playing with foreigner and def leppard I can promise you that the "casual classic rock" fan loves and prefers the more uptempo guitar oriented tunes which would include the bulk of the set the current styx plays.

you should have been a politician toph because you are one of the best spin doctors I have ever seen and that really surprises me with what you have shown to be a limited intellect......i tip my hat to you for being able to overcome your limitations.

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:41 am**

masque wrote:
Toph wrote:
Boomchild wrote:So, I had the chance to see DDY's show at the Keswick Theater in Glenside, PA this past Thursday. The last time I had seen a DDY show was in 2010 so it had been awhile. The Keswick is a good place to see a show since the venue has good acoustics. The only thing is they really need to do is renovate the place. It needs new seating among other things. I was surprised at how this venue has been let go. Especially since AEG is operating it.

As usual, DDY did not disappoint. They put on a very high energy show and the band was tight. Seeing clips on YT does not give justice to how good a band DDY has put together. The show was well paced, with the slower material put in just the right spots. I liked the newer lighting design which consisted of a lighted riser. DDY's voice was as powerful as ever. The set list consisted of the following:

The Grand Illusion
Lady
Lorelei
Blue Collar Man
Desert Moon
Mr. Roboto
Babe
Fooling Yourself
Don't Let It End
Suite Madame Blue
Too Much Time on My Hands
Rockin' The Paradise
Best of Times
Renegade
Come Sail Away

I was surprised that SMTW was not in the set as well as CB. I really enjoyed the reworked versions of Desert Moon with the extended guitar solo and RTP with Jimmy and August trading off solos. I also loved the acoustic version of DLIE. Some interesting things that I observed that night was the crowd's reaction to Babe and DLIE. In other threads here people have commented that fans don't seem to want to hear those songs as much and how they are forgotten since radio does not play them anymore. Those two songs got more applause and crowd reaction then others in the set. So, I think the common perception from a casual fan standpoint is the reverse. Meaning that the casual fan is interested in hearing those songs since they don't hear them on the radio all the time. The other thing is the whole debate of just which act better represents Styx' music. Frankly, I think it comes down to which one you are seeing. When your seeing the current Styx you'll get the response that they do when talking to other fans. When you are seeing DDY you get the complete opposite response. So to me you can't use it as bench mark as to which is the most accurate answer.

Watch it Boomer, you're destroying the myth that monker, masque et al are trying to put forth....

toph i would love to give you an IQ test.........if it was above 90 i would be highly surprised........do you not honestly think that DDY playing on his own in a 1200 seat theater means that ONLY his fans are going to attend? this wasnt some package deal where "casual" fans are coming to see styx, foreigner and def leppard........so, it goes without saying that DDY is going to play the songs that made him famous.......or at least the vast majority of them.

listen numbnuts, when I go see DDY I EXPECT him to play roboto, babe and dont let it end........if he doesnt that would be silly......i sure dont go to the show and expect him to not play roboto and instead play man in the wilderness.....do you?????

i will repeat again what I have said for your silly ass multiple times.......they are good songs......written well and performed well.....no argument from me.

however, when playing with foreigner and def leppard I can promise you that the "casual classic rock" fan loves and prefers the more uptempo guitar oriented tunes which would include the bulk of the set the current styx plays.

you should have been a politician toph because you are one of the best spin doctors I have ever seen and that really surprises me with what you have shown to be a limited intellect......i tip my hat to you for being able to overcome your limitations.

You know you are just like the liberal elite in this country, when you have a an argument that fails, you resort to name calling. If you're argument is correct, then Foreigner should not play "Waiting For A Girl Like You" or "I Want To Know What Love Is" as those are both syrupy ballads. Classic rock fans certainly don't want to hear those. And at a Journey show, they certainly do not want to hear "Open Arms", "Who's Crying Now", or "Faithfully" right? I'm sure Journey doesn't play those, because, they are all syrupy ballads.....And classic rock fans don't want to hear syrupy ballads right?

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:44 am**

And REO? No "Keep On Lovin' You" and no "Can't Fight This Feeling" and no "Take It On the Run" - all ballads and according to the genius masque, can't play those.

Boston - no "Amanda" either dammit, no freakin' ballads

Why? because Masque, Tommy Shaw, and JY say the "classic rock" fan doesn't want to hear them!

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:31 am**

Little Girl World, Lonely School & Waiting ALLL rock!!!!

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:49 am**

let's see toph.......you literally called me an asshole this morning........first post of the day I saw from you.....it's all cool though, just wanted to point it out.

now on to the ballad discussion........journey has to play open arms and faithfully.......those songs helped define who they were.

even kevin cronin has said publicly he wishes he had never written "cant fight this feeling" because the song didnt define what the band was and then created a cash cow that the record company wanted them to re-create and it destroyed the band.

the biggest in-fighting within the foreigner camp was over the two ballads you mentioned.

styx was not known as a pure ballad type band prior to babe.......even a song like lady rocked for the most part.......babe and roboto and dont let it end didnt define what the what band was as a whole......even you can recognize that.

but enough of that.......here is where you and i can put a glorious end to our "disagreement" on this subject........and I swear to god I will accept whatever your answer is.....because if you answer the question honestly then it will truly enlighten me as to what you prefer as a fan.

the only ground rules are this; 1) be honest and 2) forget the political issues that exist between the band members.....for once, just try to ignore who did what to who and try to remember when you just loved their songs.

now with that said here is the question.......if ddy were back in styx and they were playing a setlist and the question came down to this what would be your answer?

they could play;

babe
roboto
dont let it end
first time

or instead that set would not have those songs above but instead have;

queen of spades
pieces of eight
castle walls
borrowed time

which one of those groups of songs would you want styx to play?

because to me, forget the money, forget the hits, forget who sang what....forget it all.....to me there is simply NO CONTEST as to which list I am going to pick.......it's going to be the bottom list.....am I right? no not at all, it's JUST WHAT I PREFER. now, if your honest preference is the top list then that 100% completely explains to me where you stand.....this has nothing to do with tommy or jy or chart positions or attendance......just boils down to what type of styx music do you prefer?

as a lifelong fan of the band I can promise you that if i were trying to turn somebody new on to this band that I would not dare play that first list to show them "what styx is".......because to me, it doesnt truly reflect the sound of the band or the quality of the band. those songs to my ears are mostly ddy solo songs or should have been....while the 2nd list represents what the band sounded like and ultimately I think that 2nd list also represented what the overwhelming majority of their fans wanted to hear when they saw them live.

when i saw styx multiple times on their reunion tours back in the 90's every single time "show me the way" or "babe" or "paradise" was played thousands of people would flock to piss or get beer.......but they didnt move during the rest of the set.....i wonder why that was?

anyway, enough already........which list do you prefer?

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:04 am**

masque wrote:however, when playing with foreigner and def leppard I can promise you that the "casual classic rock" fan loves and prefers the more uptempo guitar oriented tunes which would include the bulk of the set the current styx plays.

I think the truth is more simple then this explanation. They are playing the songs they want to play as opposed to some keen marketing plan.. It's well known that they were not totally comfortable with the omitted songs mentioned.

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:50 am**

Boomchild wrote:
masque wrote:however, when playing with foreigner and def leppard I can promise you that the "casual classic rock" fan loves and prefers the more uptempo guitar oriented tunes which would include the bulk of the set the current styx plays.

I think the truth is more simple then this explanation. They are playing the songs they want to play as opposed to some keen marketing plan.. It's well known that they were not totally comfortable with the omitted songs mentioned.

i think that's fair……and that really is mostly what I am saying in a very condensed way……and luckily for them those songs were plenty popular enough to sustain them through the years with their touring schedule over the past couple of decades.

Posted: **Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:59 am**

Toph wrote: And at a Journey show, they certainly do not want to hear "Open Arms", "Who's Crying Now", or "Faithfully" right? I'm sure Journey doesn't play those, because, they are all syrupy ballads.....And classic rock fans don't want to hear syrupy ballads right?

You are a moron...especially when you talk about other bands. Journey rarely plays:

"Be Good To Yourself" (#9 hit)
"Girl Can't Help It" (#17 hit)
"I'll Be Alright Without You" (#14 hit)

Why? Probably because Neal hates the "Raised On Radio" album as much as Tommy and JY hate Kilroy.

But, let's don't stop there...they don't perform these hits either:

"When You Love a Woman" (#12 hit, and their last with Perry)
"After the Fall" (#23 hit)
"Walks Like a Lady" (#32)

So, I spose YOUR argument SHOULD be that Journey ignores their hits, too...and would more popular if they performed more.

And, for the record, I don't think most Journey fans would miss "Open Arms" and especially "Who's Cryin Now"....if Journey used their heads about what songs to use in their place.

Also, for the record, I have said in the past that Journey should add "Line of Fire" and "Where Were You" to rock the set up a bit...as they were popular concert songs in their day. Also, IMO, they could add "Stay Awhile" after "Lights" as that is also a classic combo...and I think Arnel could nail "Stay Awhile".

Just because a song is a 'hit' does not mean it should be performed in concert. Just because a song was not a 'hit' does not mean it can not become a concert staple. "La Raza del Sol" is a perfect example for Journey with Augeri.

But, whatever...the point is you are trying to score points by talking about bands you don't seem to even know much about.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:46 am**

"Be Good To Yourself" (#9 hit)
"Girl Can't Help It" (#17 hit)
"I'll Be Alright Without You" (#14 hit)

all these have been played extensively post Perry Journey,
In fact BGTY I bet is played 95% of the time

The only reason Journey does not play there lesser hits like Walks Like a Lady, WYLAM, Parties Over...ect
Is that Journey only does 2-3 band package deals and they know the casual fans only want to hear the FM radio hits that are still played on classic rock stations. Neal I bet would love to play ROR hits. Where have you heard he hates it?

Remember Journey Managment thinks we are all stupid so all we get is the DD and package tours.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:53 am**

Ain't the journey forum 2 floors up?????

Like most i wish they would play more rasied on radio tunes as well. But like it was said
the fans expect to hear the hits so they have to play them. Just win the lottery and then
you can book them and have them play whatever you want (probably not babe though :lol:

)

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:50 am**

masque wrote:
now on to the ballad discussion........journey has to play open arms and faithfully.......those songs helped define who they were.

And Styx is not defined by Mr. Roboto? Babe? and Best of Times? You've got to be kidding me. There you go again, trying to put your own viewpoints and musical tastes on that of everyone else. You're a metal head. I get it. But that doesn't mean you can ignore that Roboto, Babe, and Best of Times are just as much a part of Styx's definition as Open arms and Faithfully are of Journey's. If anything, Journey is considered by most to be more "hard rocking" than Styx, so under your theory, they shouldn't play those songs. But yet they do....

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:53 am**

masque wrote:even kevin cronin has said publicly he wishes he had never written "cant fight this feeling" because the song didnt define what the band was and then created a cash cow that the record company wanted them to re-create and it destroyed the band.

the biggest in-fighting within the foreigner camp was over the two ballads you mentioned.

But yet, they both play all those songs.....Funny Cronin speaks quite highly of Can't Fight This Feeling in every interview I've seen him give. He credits it with saving the band after the disastrous Good Trouble album...

And Foreigner, since both those ballads hit #1, yeah, I'm sure they are real sorry they released those.

Point of the matter is that they all still play those songs. They don't try to forget they existed. In fact, in interviews I've heard, they are all damn thankful for those songs.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:01 pm**

masque wrote:l
styx was not known as a pure ballad type band prior to babe.......even a song like lady rocked for the most part.......babe and roboto and dont let it end didnt define what the what band was as a whole......even you can recognize that.

but enough of that.......here is where you and i can put a glorious end to our "disagreement" on this subject........and I swear to god I will accept whatever your answer is.....because if you answer the question honestly then it will truly enlighten me as to what you prefer as a fan.

the only ground rules are this; 1) be honest and 2) forget the political issues that exist between the band members.....for once, just try to ignore who did what to who and try to remember when you just loved their songs.

now with that said here is the question.......if ddy were back in styx and they were playing a setlist and the question came down to this what would be your answer?

they could play;

babe
roboto
dont let it end
first time

or instead that set would not have those songs above but instead have;

queen of spades
pieces of eight
castle walls
borrowed time

which one of those groups of songs would you want styx to play?

because to me, forget the money, forget the hits, forget who sang what....forget it all.....to me there is simply NO CONTEST as to which list I am going to pick.......it's going to be the bottom list.....am I right? no not at all, it's JUST WHAT I PREFER. now, if your honest preference is the top list then that 100% completely explains to me where you stand.....this has nothing to do with tommy or jy or chart positions or attendance......just boils down to what type of styx music do you prefer?

as a lifelong fan of the band I can promise you that if i were trying to turn somebody new on to this band that I would not dare play that first list to show them "what styx is".......because to me, it doesnt truly reflect the sound of the band or the quality of the band. those songs to my ears are mostly ddy solo songs or should have been....while the 2nd list represents what the band sounded like and ultimately I think that 2nd list also represented what the overwhelming majority of their fans wanted to hear when they saw them live.

when i saw styx multiple times on their reunion tours back in the 90's every single time "show me the way" or "babe" or "paradise" was played thousands of people would flock to piss or get beer.......but they didnt move during the rest of the set.....i wonder why that was?

anyway, enough already........which list do you prefer?

It just shows that you are one who only sees the world through his eyes. Pretty selfish..huh? I've already addressed what Styx is and is not defined by. I can tell you it ain't Miss America. It ain't Snowblind. It ain't even Suite Madame Blue or Crystal Ball. Styx to most is defined by those 8 top 10 singles plus Renegade and maybe Grand Illusion and Blue Collar Man. That's it. Period.

And of the setlist you put out there, I do like how you try to put First Time in there WHICH THEY"VE NEVER FUCKING PLAYED IN THE HISTORY OF THE GODDAMN BAND....So, we'll replace that with 'Show Me The Way". I would prefer the first one. And guess what, SO WOULD MOST FUCKING PEOPLE! Why? Because the average person has never heard of any of the songs in the second set. The average person is going to a Styx concert wanting to see an oldies act. The average person wants to hang with their friends, drink a few beers, reminisce about jr high/high school and hear the songs THEY FUCKING HEARD ON THE RADIO!! They don't want to hear a band trying to "reposition" itself because it now regrets all the success it had as a result of a guy who they decided to kick out. But guess what, the fans don't give a SHIT! The fans want to hear the songs they know, the songs they can sing along to, and the songs that remind them of cruising around on a Saturday night when they were 16. They don't want to hear Queen of Fucking Spades.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:03 pm**

scarab wrote:"Be Good To Yourself" (#9 hit)
"Girl Can't Help It" (#17 hit)
"I'll Be Alright Without You" (#14 hit)

all these have been played extensively post Perry Journey,
In fact BGTY I bet is played 95% of the time

The only reason Journey does not play there lesser hits like Walks Like a Lady, WYLAM, Parties Over...ect
Is that Journey only does 2-3 band package deals and they know the casual fans only want to hear the FM radio hits that are still played on classic rock stations. Neal I bet would love to play ROR hits. Where have you heard he hates it?

Remember Journey Managment thinks we are all stupid so all we get is the DD and package tours.

This is a correct statement. Monker doesn't know shit. I've seen Journey more than I've seen Styx and they have played BGTY almost every time and the other two about half the time.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:04 pm**

Everett wrote:Ain't the journey forum 2 floors up?????

Like most i wish they would play more rasied on radio tunes as well. But like it was said
the fans expect to hear the hits so they have to play them. Just win the lottery and then
you can book them and have them play whatever you want (probably not babe though )

Raised on Radio had 4 hit singles in the top 20. It had plenty of hits. And the only one that doesn't get played is Suzanne. Not sure why not.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:35 pm**

DDY concert review.....aaannnddd yet another thread has gone to shit

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:03 pm**

Toph wrote:Point of the matter is that they all still play those songs. They don't try to forget they existed. In fact, in interviews I've heard, they are all damn thankful for those songs.

I am sure that Tommy and JY were not upset about the cash that was rolling in due to the success of the songs they are not so found of or don't feel defined what Styx was.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:10 pm**

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:DDY concert review.....aaannnddd yet another thread has gone to shit

It's pretty darn near impossible for a thread in this forum not to go in that direction. Guess this is what happens when you have a fractured fan base.

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:06 pm**

Toph wrote:
masque wrote:
now on to the ballad discussion........journey has to play open arms and faithfully.......those songs helped define who they were.

There you go again, trying to put your own viewpoints and musical tastes on that of everyone else.

And you don't ? :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:14 pm**

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:DDY concert review.....aaannnddd yet another thread has gone to shit

Good ole topher.

Posted: **Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:28 am**

gr8dane wrote:
pinkfloyd1973 wrote:DDY concert review.....aaannnddd yet another thread has gone to shit

Good ole topher.

Relook at the thread and you tell me who started the negativity of this discussion...Masque started the IQ discussion....

Posted: **Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:05 am**

toph dont worry at all man......just PM me your address and I will send you a box of tampons to help you through everything I have done to you.

go back and start at the thread beginning.......i know that will be hard for you to do, but just try your best, I have faith you can do it.

once you do, then scroll down to your first post within this thread and see if you see where you called me and monker out for no reason at all.....i wasnt even commenting in this thread.....had not even seen the thread until after you posted.......so i come in and BAM there you are taking one of your pathetic cheap shots.....like you always do....but in the dream world you live in I am sure that you do see it as me somehow starting the issue with you.

of course, that's how you see anyone that doesnt roll over and agree with every word you say. :wink:

Posted: **Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:13 am**

Toph wrote:
masque wrote:
now on to the ballad discussion........journey has to play open arms and faithfully.......those songs helped define who they were.

And Styx is not defined by Mr. Roboto? Babe? and Best of Times? You've got to be kidding me. There you go again, trying to put your own viewpoints and musical tastes on that of everyone else. You're a metal head. I get it. But that doesn't mean you can ignore that Roboto, Babe, and Best of Times are just as much a part of Styx's definition as Open arms and Faithfully are of Journey's. If anything, Journey is considered by most to be more "hard rocking" than Styx, so under your theory, they shouldn't play those songs. But yet they do....

im far from being a metal head, i can promise you that........i am a musician and i have never personally met someone that plays music that has ever indicated that they would prefer to hear, play or have written roboto or babe over castle walls and queen of spades.

unless your just a fucking idiot even you have to know that songs like queen of spades and borrowed time arent even close to being metal.....hell they are barely hard rock. they are just superior fucking songs to the songs you prefer in my opinion.

see that's the primary difference between us (once again, other than about 60 IQ points), is that my points are based on my opinions.....i dont claim them to be factual......i have said over and over that my position is based on what I prefer and the only facts I have to substantiate that other fans feel the same is that styx is still getting booked over and over and over again even though promoters know they dont play "their main hits that define the band" according to you......so once again, why is that?

if ddy plays ALL the hits, was the main creative force and drove the band to success in spite of tommy and JY then why doesnt he get the tours with def lep and foreigner and reo and journey and pat bentar and bad company and ted nugent?

dont give me this name recognition bullshit.....it's 2014 and youtube is everywhere.....the internet is everywhere......fans and promoters are educated......they know what's up........hell ddy even gets to promote himself as "the music of styx".........so once again, with ddy being out there, playing all the hits being "the man" and current styx playing shit and leaving out the majority of the songs you say they should play then why do they get still get booked?

Posted: **Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:43 pm**

Boomchild wrote:
pinkfloyd1973 wrote:DDY concert review.....aaannnddd yet another thread has gone to shit

It's pretty darn near impossible for a thread in this forum not to go in that direction. Guess this is what happens when you have a fractured fan base.

I'm done, I'll remain in lurk mode until there is an actual discussion and not a pissing contest

Posted: **Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:12 pm**

masque wrote:if ddy plays ALL the hits, was the main creative force and drove the band to success in spite of tommy and JY then why doesnt he get the tours with def lep and foreigner and reo and journey and pat bentar and bad company and ted nugent?

That's an easy to answer question. He's not looking to do package tours and be committed to the time it takes to do tours like them. Not to mention it's fairly well known that DY is\was not that found of multiple bill shows. I think if he was, there would be something out there for him to latch onto. In regards to the brand issue, it's not all bullshit. It's also part of it. If the branding was not a big deal and people are coming to see TS and JY simply on their name recognition and the songs they play then they would have not worried about being able to keep the use of the brand wen DDY filed the lawsuit.

Posted: **Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:57 pm**

Boomchild wrote:
masque wrote:if ddy plays ALL the hits, was the main creative force and drove the band to success in spite of tommy and JY then why doesnt he get the tours with def lep and foreigner and reo and journey and pat bentar and bad company and ted nugent?

That's an easy to answer question. He's not looking to do package tours and be committed to the time it takes to do tours like them. Not to mention it's fairly well known that DY is\was not that found of multiple bill shows. I think if he was, there would be something out there for him to latch onto. In regards to the brand issue, it's not all bullshit. It's also part of it. If the branding was not a big deal and people are coming to see TS and JY simply on their name recognition and the songs they play then they would have not worried about being able to keep the use of the brand wen DDY filed the lawsuit.

and that explanation 100% answers why tommy and jy have gone their separate ways from ddy.

MR

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