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Dates
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Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:11 amby piecesofeight
Re: Dates
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Sun Nov 30, 2003 2:38 pmby froy
Can you think of a better way to sell such a great 2 cd set?
Im sure he's promoting it by doing allot of shows
Dennis is back.
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:16 amby classicstyxfan
Can anyone explain how Dennis can be live in the studio in 2 different places on the same night ? This is the case on both 12/3 and 12/5 according to the schedule on his website........the 2 cities in each case are a significant distance from each other, so either he's not in studio in these cities, or he's on to something big regarding a speed of light type of transportation........
enquiring minds want to know !
Dates
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Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:33 amby kiddo
>>>the 2 cities in each case are a significant distance from each other, so either he's not in studio in these cities, or he's on to something big regarding a spped of light type of transportation........
enquiring minds want to know !<<<
That's where the Roboto mask comes in handy. ;-)
kiddo
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:08 amby classicstyxfan
LOL, Kiddo !
Re: Dates
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:25 amby Monker
froy wrote:Can you think of a better way to sell such a great 2 cd set?
Im sure he's promoting it by doing allot of shows
Dennis is back.
I don't see how this means that "dennis is back" any more then Steve Perry doing a few interviews means that he is 'back'. In fact, I bet Perry reaches more people with his coming radio interview then Dennis does by this round of promotions.
He's just doing charity work...Not a bad thing...But, it definitely does not mean he is 'back'.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:00 amby classicstyxfan
I think it's all relative......Dennis is BACK, at least when you compare it to 4 years virtually without a sound from him ( not counting the song "a love foretold" that is....)
I doubt we'll ever really know the extent he is "back" with sales of the CD exclusively off of his website, sales figures will be hard to come by.
The only measure of his success available will be information released regarding attendance at his shows...which are mostly at smaller venues. The Milwaukee show was held in a venue with a capacity of 4,200 people....No one ever said if it was a sellout, at least not on this site.
So I ask the question, what determines if Dennis is back or not ?
The quality of his work, or the quantity of sales and attendance at his shows ? it's a fair question regarding Styx as well.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:45 pmby froy
classicstyxfan wrote:I think it's all relative......Dennis is BACK, at least when you compare it to 4 years virtually without a sound from him ( not counting the song "a love foretold" that is....)
I doubt we'll ever really know the extent he is "back" with sales of the CD exclusively off of his website, sales figures will be hard to come by.
The only measure of his success available will be information released regarding attendance at his shows...which are mostly at smaller venues. The Milwaukee show was held in a venue with a capacity of 4,200 people....No one ever said if it was a sellout, at least not on this site.
So I ask the question, what determines if Dennis is back or not ?
The quality of his work, or the quantity of sales and attendance at his shows ? it's a fair question regarding Styx as well.
Dennis is back to work
How does that sound?
He's at least doing more than 1 show here and there.
He's at least touring and Im sure the summer will bring more shows.
Im sure he very happy with his career right here and right now.
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:12 pmby classicstyxfan
As I 've said in the past, Dennis has earned every right to take whatever path makes him happy....I'm glad he's making music live and putting it out on CD.
Froy, your past bashing of Styx based on sales of their recent releases and attendance at their shows gives others here every right to hold Dennis to those same standards if they want to.
I personally dont think that is relevant in the 21st century for either faction, especially with Dennis acting as his own label....but the comparison will be inevitably be made here at this forum.
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:24 amby froy
Froy, your past bashing of Styx based on sales of their recent releases and attendance at their shows gives others here every right to hold Dennis to those same standards if they want to.
I disagree.
Dennis is not spewing to his fans that this is the must buy cd.
He's not saying it's his greatest lineup with a cd that we have not seen since whatever cd.
Also this is a live cd not a new studio project.
And finally It's not being sold in stores yet.
Styx had a plan to over hype everything they did .
They sent letters to the dj's and radio stations to say this is there greatest cd ever. The guy on the loop 97.9 here in chicago sounded like he was reading right off the sheet they sent him. There over hype did not work. Dennis is not saying anything about his cd as of yet.
Big difference and he does not need or want to be held to any standard when it comes to buying this cd.
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:40 amby maxell
Hmmm.. I might actually get to see Dennis before I die (or he does). This is great.
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:10 pmby classicstyxfan
Froy, I'll agree with you that DDY has taken the higher road than TS and JY over the past few years....but I disagree with having separate standards to measure their success.....
Now, measuring the quality of their respective works is a different matter all together, but thats's really a more subjective, rather than objective excercise.
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:26 pmby froy
classicstyxfan wrote:Froy, I'll agree with you that DDY has taken the higher road than TS and JY over the past few years....but I disagree with having separate standards to measure their success.....
How can Dennis have a standard of success when he is a solo artist?
It just can't be compared to the name of Styx .
If you want to match solo careers that's another story but to match up Dennis against his own band is just unrealistic.
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Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:09 amby classicstyxfan
You are right that the Name Styx has alot of "brand equity" and sells records in and of itself....based on past reputation. I'd sure like to see Dennis fire up the publicity machine in more ways than
he is currently ( of course that assumes assuming he even cares about commercial success anymore )
The New CD, while perhaps not having mass appeal, would be of interest to many more people than he will reach on Public Television. With the tumoil in the world today, I'd bet alot of people would want to take a trip back to "the best of times"
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Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:16 amby ek88
Speaking of the name Styx, doesn't the cover of
the CD have "The Music of Styx performed by
Live Symphony" or something to that effect?
Or is that not the cover I'm seeing at the DDY
website? I personally have no issue with
Dennis using the Styx name in this (or any) fashion,
but I'm sure all the Tommy and JY bashers
are beside themselves. After all, isn't this Dennis
"milking" the Styx name, as the bashers have so
frequently accused Tommy and JY of doing?
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Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:06 amby piecesofeight
ek88 wrote:Speaking of the name Styx, doesn't the cover of
the CD have "The Music of Styx performed by
Live Symphony" or something to that effect?
Or is that not the cover I'm seeing at the DDY
website? I personally have no issue with
Dennis using the Styx name in this (or any) fashion,
but I'm sure all the Tommy and JY bashers
are beside themselves. After all, isn't this Dennis
"milking" the Styx name, as the bashers have so
frequently accused Tommy and JY of doing?
To cover a couple of things here. As far as this version of Styx milking the name, from what I have read here and there, people are frustrated when only Dennis' songs, or even his face, are used to promote what the new Styx has going on. Or a lot of people believe that either this isn't really "Styx" or they shouldn't call themselves Styx. BUT, legally that are able too, just as either Dennis IS or is SUPPOSED to. I believe I heard that Dennis is supposed to and Styx gets to, so Dennis isn't really "milking" it. I don't think I have read a lot where people actually put it where "Styx" is milking the name as much as quit using Dennis for promotion, then in the next breathe put him down or act like he wasn't even in the group or didn't really contribute that much. Styx isn't really "milking" the name as they have a right to call themselves that, but I wonder if how many would follow these guys if they were called something else right now. As Dennis told me once about Styx, it's still very near and dear to his heart and why would he not want to be associated with something that he WAS such a part of. Dennis isn't trying to erase what Styx was or his part in it, as the new lineup is......
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Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:56 amby yogi
I have a little different take on this. First, Dennis has EVERY right to use the name Styx when performing. He did help form the band and was the MOST visable player in that band for 25 plus years. As for the band now in my eyes they are in a NO win situation with ALOT of you. If they use Dennis's name or perform some of his led songs in concert or in promos for their concerts they are milking his name. Then if they dont include his songs or use his name they are erasing him from the past. HELL, its a NO win situation. Alot of you are TOTALLY blind to this fact. I also have wondered if Styx used a name other than Styx when Cyclorama was released how the CD would of been received. I really do wonder this. Where as the name Styx does carry some clout, it also may detract too. The Cyclorama CD was brilliant, but since it was from what the critics call a dinosaur, or classic rock band that these same critics have ALWAYS hated did the name Styx actually hurt them with a new release in the year 2003?????? I really think if the Cyclorama CD would of been released by some BRAND new fresh group( Styx using a different name) with a little promo it would of sold millions by now.
