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If Dennis had not taken JY, Tommy, and Chuck to court back in 1999 do you think that by now they would have shared the same stage ???

Did DeYoung get the golden parachute like Perry?

yogi wrote:If Dennis had not taken JY, Tommy, and Chuck to court back in 1999 do you think that by now they would have shared the same stage ???

NO.

did they do any interviews or live performances with DDY in support of BNW?

scarab wrote:did they do any interviews or live performances with DDY in support of BNW?

Nope. The last performance Dennis had with the band was the Children's Miracle Network show. He had already been replaced by Gowan for the upcoming fall tour and the album was a few weeks away from release.

scarab wrote:Did DeYoung get the golden parachute like Perry?

The big difference is that Perry negotiated his exit. So, he could do the "sixth member" deal, or whatever. Dennis sued the band and left it to the courts. So, DDY got a restricted use of the word "Styx" and royalties from swag sales of "classic"merchandise, or whatever. Perry got paid like he was still in the band....I think Herbie commented on this in one of those tell-all interviews

So, the short answer is, "NO, not even close."

yogi wrote:If Dennis had not taken JY, Tommy, and Chuck to court back in 1999 do you think that by now they would have shared the same stage ???

In one of those old interviews from back then, Tommy or JY said that when you are sued and taken to court that it puts things at a different level. So, IMO, if that did not happen it would have left open a slim possibility...but it would be unlikely.

Back at that time, DDY was still in Hunchback mode. There is a Hunchback song on BNW. His first orchestra shows FEATURED Hunchback songs. When he went on the PBS tour, at his stop here he commented on air that he would LOVE to see a PBS version of Hunchback produced and this would be the perfect venue for it...but it needed sponsors. He made it sound like the PBS tour was really an attempt to get Hunchback on PBS.

So, his Hunchback distraction went on prior, during, and years after BNW. IMO, that would have been a big issue for Tommy and JY to let him back in...if he was going to be dedicated to Styx, or splitting his time with stuff like Hunchback.

Again, IMO, Dennis should have kept quiet during the BNW tour and spent his time writing. Then towards the end, start doing interviews saying he wanted back in the band and he had been working on music. Then, if the band didn't go for it, released "100yrs From Now" type album and went on tour...again saying on tour that he wanted to be in Styx but this is the best he could do. And, he should have ditched all things Hunchback and any negative rhetoric towards Styx, finger pointing to Styx, or complaints about his treatment...and no "bathwater" type comments towards fan

That would have put immense pressure on Styx. And, MAYBE they would have considered it....especially if the album/tour were as popular as Cyclorama.

Instead after BNW you get a DDY that is CONSTANTLY whining about Styx, whining about how they treated him, whining about how their story changed, insulting the FANS with the "bathwater" comment, a whiney DDY and Susan on BTM, a lawsuit, and Hunchback promotion for years. All of this, IMO, solidified that band's decision to move on without him...and I do not believe that will ever change - even for one concert. They (Tommy, JY, and Chuck) have had enough of him. As Steve Perry would say, DDY cracked the stone with his actions and there is no going back.

And, yeah, it opens a can of worms and I know the argument back in that what DDY said was true, and blah, blah, blah. It's irrelevant. You don't go about disparaging the very people you have to work with with half of your mouth, and the other half of your mouth saying you want back in the band. People just don't work that way..

Monker wrote:

scarab wrote:Did DeYoung get the golden parachute like Perry?

So, the short answer is, "NO, not even close."

Probably should put this in the Perry forum but I wonder why Journey caved and gave him a sweetheart deal to the point that he is still the richest member, past or present of the group. I doubt if they could stopped him as Cain/Schon would have voted him out.

[quote="Monker"][quote="yogi"]If Dennis had not taken JY, Tommy, and Chuck to court back in 1999 do you think that by now they would have shared the same stage ???[/quote]

In one of those old interviews from back then, Tommy or JY said that when you are sued and taken to court that it puts things at a different level. So, IMO, if that did not happen it would have left open a slim possibility...but it would be unlikely.

Back at that time, DDY was still in Hunchback mode. There is a Hunchback song on BNW. His first orchestra shows FEATURED Hunchback songs. When he went on the PBS tour, at his stop here he commented on air that he would LOVE to see a PBS version of Hunchback produced and this would be the perfect venue for it...but it needed sponsors. He made it sound like the PBS tour was really an attempt to get Hunchback on PBS.

So, his Hunchback distraction went on prior, during, and years after BNW. IMO, that would have been a big issue for Tommy and JY to let him back in...if he was going to be dedicated to Styx, or splitting his time with stuff like Hunchback.

Again, IMO, Dennis should have kept quiet during the BNW tour and spent his time writing. Then towards the end, start doing interviews saying he wanted back in the band and he had been working on music. Then, if the band didn't go for it, released "100yrs From Now" type album and went on tour...again saying on tour that he wanted to be in Styx but this is the best he could do. And, he should have ditched all things Hunchback and any negative rhetoric towards Styx, finger pointing to Styx, or complaints about his treatment...and no "bathwater" type comments towards fan

That would have put immense pressure on Styx. And, MAYBE they would have considered it....especially if the album/tour were as popular as Cyclorama.

Instead after BNW you get a DDY that is CONSTANTLY whining about Styx, whining about how they treated him, whining about how their story changed, insulting the FANS with the "bathwater" comment, a whiney DDY and Susan on BTM, a lawsuit, and Hunchback promotion for years. All of this, IMO, solidified that band's decision to move on without him...and I do not believe that will ever change - even for one concert. They (Tommy, JY, and Chuck) have had enough of him. As Steve Perry would say, DDY cracked the stone with his actions and there is no going back.

And, yeah, it opens a can of worms and I know the argument back in that what DDY said was true, and blah, blah, blah. It's irrelevant. You don't go about disparaging the very people you have to work with with half of your mouth, and the other half of your mouth saying you want back in the band. People just don't work that way..[/quote]



Very insightful, you make a lot of good observations. Being an athletics ( team ) person I always felt that if DDY was so into Styx why then did he spread himself so thin? He was working on so many things traveling all over etc... that he had the know you can wear yourself out. For 30 years I’ve told my teams that if you truly want to go as far as possible as an athlete you have to take care of your body. Cause once that fails you, you are done.

For you who have Sterling's book, can always check out
page 294,for some interesting scenario,where Dennis practically talks himself out of a job.
Classic Dennis.Seems like I get a chance every now and again, to bring up this little nugget.

i think the answer is probably no....they seem very content etc to carry on with the version of styx that includes Gowan.

it would be interesting to know how many promoters have approached them and said "OK we will offer you this many zero's on the end of the check if its the big three back together'?"


because it reminds me of a don dokken story where he stated years ago that he would play with the original Dokken band once a promoter offered enough money....and then a few years ago apparently a Japanese promoter made them a crazy offer to come to Japan for a month or two and they did and ALL of them said the money was simply too good to pass up.

so even though I am sure most of the guys are stable enough financially to probably not "need" the money, I wonder what would happen if the demand was such that a promoter really laid out a lucrative deal if they would pass it up?

scarab wrote:

Monker wrote:

scarab wrote:Did DeYoung get the golden parachute like Perry?

So, the short answer is, "NO, not even close."

Probably should put this in the Perry forum but I wonder why Journey caved and gave him a sweetheart deal to the point that he is still the richest member, past or present of the group. I doubt if they could stopped him as Cain/Schon would have voted him out.

It was much easier to do it that way than to find a way to buy Perry out of the band and the business of Journey permanently.

That would have been very messy.

And Perry has put in some work behind the scenes, remastering old albums and concert videos and such.

Of course, nobody knew Journey would kind of blow up again years later, due to the Sopranos, Glee and the whole "rags to riches" Arnel story.