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FormerDJMike wrote:Hmm... Where did it say the album version was 8 minutes long? I thought I read it somewhere. That is incorrect, the version on the video is the album version. And why does the video have 5 minutes of dead air at the end?

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:I just watched the video several times and it’s everything Styx was to me and millions of others.
Melodic, powerful lyrics, rocking with a memorable chorus and images that must be examined on repeat viewings to take it all in.

I personally love it!!

Jodes wrote:The voice is amazing as usual, but when it gets to the Chorus, hearing Suzanne's voice - it just makes me grit my teeth. That's my biggest beef. Now if someone could mix her voice out of that mix.. IMO that would make it better!

But then again, what do I know, according to certain members of DDY's family, I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm a "Styx Snooper" for my comments about Tommy Shaw's role in the band and how that they worked as a team for the first few albums and it wasn't just one guy writing their own songs. (Which has been proven and documented, but I don't know what I'm talking about)

I left the Official DDY facebook group because of it. I guess one can't have an opinion based on previous articles, documents, and well songs, that goes against their prevcious saviour.

I'll still purchase the album (if it's available in Canada) but man did that leave a sour taste in my mouth.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:You are listening to Isle of Misanthrope the same way you listen to everything Dennis is involved in with your Tommy idolization goggles and ears.

Dennis has said in countless interviews both audio and print that Styx was always a product of all the members.

DDY’s family? You probably left because you can’t stand the praise Dennis gets from Styx fans. Which is why you show up here complaining about his wife’s harmonies on the masterpiece Misanthrope when she’s not even singing.

Read the comments on YouTube by actual Styx fans if you dare, the raves are over whelming.

There’s more Styx music in that song than in the whole of the Mission.

Not to mention the intellectual depth leaving of us to once again wonder what was the Mission’s concept.

Your point about working together on songwriting is meaningless when you realize that Styx’s biggest hits where not co written.

They all benefitted from each other’s musical contributions to their individual songs which Dennis has said but that’s what bands are for.

I’m waiting for you to claim Tommy helped write Lady, Babe and Show me the Way.

We wouldn’t be discussing anyone’s individual contributions if Dennis hadn’t been replaced, we would all still love Styx.

Misanthrope has raised the bar beyond Mars.

Just compare the Gone and Silence videos with zero creativity or reference to the concept to what Dennis has produced.

Monker wrote:

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:You are listening to Isle of Misanthrope the same way you listen to everything Dennis is involved in with your Tommy idolization goggles and ears.

What are you talking about? Jodes is one of the more reasonable people who post here. I don't recall her making posts idolizing Tommy. It seems to me that you are just looking to pick a fight with somebody.

Jodes last post, along with this one insulted Suzanne’s singing yet again “oy vey” she says. Even though she wasn’t even singing. Then she implied that there was bad blood between Dennis and Tom Dziallo after he changed the band over. “Shrug”. The change was initiated by Hank Horton desire to play in the 101 Dalmatians pit band. Dennis ok’d Hanks new employment. That was the reason for my original post. Spreading lies Is unacceptable but that’s never stopped you. If you don’t like the harmonies fine but Suzanne?

Dennis has said in countless interviews both audio and print that Styx was always a product of all the members.

He's also said that he is responsible for the Styx sound. That he cried when he first heard BNW because it did not meet his qualifications for being worthy of Styx. He said that if he had produced "I Will Be Your Witness" that it would have been a hit single. He has also called Styx HIS band that was taken away from him

He talks out of both sides of his mouth. One side he denies that Styx was all about him, and the other says how much Styx was all about him. I doubt he even realizes how arrogant he sounds when he does it.


Most Styx fans believe it was his band and that it was stolen from him. Though I ask you to post the evidence of him saying that. His most recent interview and lots of others he credits the initial Styx sound to when he and JY came together and combined their styles.

DDY’s family? You probably left because you can’t stand the praise Dennis gets from Styx fans. Which is why you show up here complaining about his wife’s harmonies on the masterpiece Misanthrope when she’s not even singing.

Who are you to tell somebody why they left a FB page? You are a nobody, just like everybody else. If somebody says they left Dennis' FB page because his family were treating them like assholes, then you have no power to make that statement untrue.

I'd like to know from Jodes, what did Dennis’s family and specifically who were treating you badly. We’re you posting something nasty about Suzanne. Shame on you.

Read the comments on YouTube by actual Styx fans if you dare, the raves are over whelming.

They are also meaningless. Just becaue a bunch a bunch of people on FB say a song is good doesn't make it so, It DEFINITELY does not make it a "masterpiece", either.

If you can read I didn’t say Facebook comments were raves which they were it was YouTube.

There’s more Styx music in that song than in the whole of the Mission.

In your incredibly biased opinion.

All opinions are biased I admit but once again oh dense one I referred to YouTube.

Not to mention the intellectual depth leaving of us to once again wonder what was the Mission’s concept.

You have to be pretty stupid to post such a comment...or a troll looking for an argument.

You remain a coward. I have asked you or anyone on this site what’s the concept of the Mission. Not looking for an argument just an explanation. The intellectual depth in Misanthrope puts the Mission to shame. Although still not not as profound as Transitus LOL.

Your point about working together on songwriting is meaningless when you realize that Styx’s biggest hits where not co written.

I see. So, Dennis' comments about the band working together are meaningless because he wrote all the hits. Makes perfect sense. Not.

Also, writing credits are based on band politics and are NOT a complete indication of how a song was written.

Jodes said they worked as a team in the beginning, it wasn’t just about one guy(Dennis ) writing all the songs. To which I stated factually that all the big hits were written by individuals. And then you piped up mr. know that writing credits are “band politics NOT a complete indication of how a song was written. Implying what, that none of them wrote their own songs. Or just big bad Dennis. So I said facetiously Tommy had written Babe Lady, SMTW.

They all benefitted from each other’s musical contributions to their individual songs which Dennis has said but that’s what bands are for.

Except when he cries about it because he didn't produce an album, or believes his way was the only way to make a song hit worthy.

Styx has never had a hit song from 75 forward where he wasn’t at the helm. That’s a fact. With or without Tommy.

I’m waiting for you to claim Tommy helped write Lady, Babe and Show me the Way.

You are such a fool that you would suggest Tommy could contribute to the writing of songs when he wasn't even in the band.
Whatever your issue is, you need to get over it.

We wouldn’t be discussing anyone’s individual contributions if Dennis hadn’t been replaced, we would all still love Styx.

Now you are into believing you can predict a factitious alternate history. Whenever somebody does this, it is ALWAYS based on their own bias.

As I have said, the FACT is that I was on Prodigy and GEnie arguing about these very thing all the way back in 1991 (at the earliest). You are denying reality if you think everything would have been fine if they had just kept Dennis in the band.
For me, I like the way things turned out.

So now your back in your Nissan again with you buddy on Prodigy discussing Styx. Spare us.
The 96 and 97 tours overwhelming success points to what the fans always wanted and still do despite you and your little friend and a minority of fans who bought into JY and Tommy’s lies wrongly vilifying Dennis. They want them together.

Misanthrope has raised the bar beyond Mars.

It hasn't raised anything. There is no 'bar'. This competition thing is in your imagination.

There is no competition between them LAUGH OUT REALLY LOUD.

Just compare the Gone and Silence videos with zero creativity or reference to the concept to what Dennis has produced.

"Gone, gone, gone" is about the launch of the mission to Mars, and all the excitement that surrounds such a thing. How can you not know that.

"Radio Silence" is about the final landing on Mars. It can take up to 20min to communicate between Earth and Mars. So, it is up to the crew to perform the landing without any help from Earth. In addition, there is another blackout as the craft goes through the atmosphere. So, it is about the fear making a mistake, and the fear of not having the help of Earth.

So, yes, they are both very much in line with the concept.

But, that doesn't matter to you anyway...you are just trolling to argue about shit.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:A bunch of crap

Monker wrote:
Styx is NOT Dennis' band. The settlement to the lawsuit he started cemented that FACT.

You are just as two faced as Dennis. On the one hand, Dennis wrote all the hits all by himself. But, they all benefited from each others contributions. It all depends on what argument you want to make and what perspective suits it best. It makes you and Dennis both look like egotistical assholes who can't see that Dennis believes all the credit goes to him and all the blame goes to everybody else. That is a very conceited, egotistical, arrogant perspective to have. The perspective of a Captain Dunsel who needs to be kicked out and replaced.

I did write an entire explanation of "The Mission" and compared it to what I consider a perfect album "Gentle Storm". I did that to point out "The Missions" flaws. It is a very good album, but not perfect. YOU are the coward for not admitting it's positives.

Comments on ANY forum...here, FB, or YouTube do not offer proof that a song is good. It's ironic that fans of the guy who called Tommy fans on the internet "bathwater drinkers" need to be reminded of that fact.

I have been saying writing credits are pretty meaningless for DECADES because of Perry fans making the excact same arguments that you are making. Writing credits determine who gets paid and that's about all they prove. They do NOT prove who wrote most of a song, or that some other member did not contribute ANYTHING (just not enough to make an argument to get paid royalties). Pointing to writing credits as proof of who had how much influence in the writing of a song, or no contribution at all, is not realistic. For example, you don't know if Tommy wrote some small guitar bit, or suggested singing harmony in a certain way, or whatever...you don't know the complete picture of what happened during the writing. All you know is the result of the band deciding who should get paid royalties.

My "buddy on Prodigy?" I knew a LOT Of people on those services. Those posters included Donna Lettow, who published 976-STYX newsletter. It included Micky Jorgensen who published the DY newsletter "Yankee Pride". It also included, for a short time, Glen Burtnik. There were HUNDREDS of posts a day...busier then this forum has EVER been And, there were HUGE arguments about Dennis being controlling and breaking the band up with KWH. There were huge argument about Glen being a worthy replacement for Tommy. There were arguments about Babe and "First Time" being a turning point towards crap. This divisive attitude has been going on for AT LEAST 30yrs. You have no clue what you are talking about.

There is no competition, except the one in your own head. I don't care who Miss Anthrope is, why she is on an island, or why Dennis can't just leave her alone. It just doesn't matter.

Again, reality is that "The Mission" was received well enough to convince Styx to record another album and the label to release it. I'm sorry it wasn't a huge fail as you seem to want. I'm sorry that Miss Anthrope and this 2nd CD will be DDY's last recording. And, Dennis will never sing with Styx again. That is reality. Deal with it.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:This is from a radio interview I have of Dennis talking about songwriting:
Dennis said: “when JC ,JY and I started writing songs we came up with a formula to define songwriting. All sung melodies and chords behind melody and lyrics constitute songwriting everything else is arrangement. This allowed us to avoid arguing over every single note. When Tommy joined we plugged him in. It has served us well. Arrangement is separate from songwriting otherwise every great solo would qualify.
Nelson Riddles brilliant arrangements of Sinatra’s records were indispensable but he’s not credited as songwriter”.

Although Dennis rearranged Renegade and Boat on the River he was not entitled to songwriting credit. That’s arrangement. He also recently said that although he wrote the organ riff that drives Blue Collar Man and that Tommy wrote the musical beginning of GI they took no songwriting credit. Your ignorant statement over Tommy’s little guitar bit or harmony suggestions, proves the point, that is arrangement not song writing. So shut up you’re wrong when it comes to Styx!!!!

Journey is not Styx. No one here cares, this is a Styx forum. Go back to being a pariah on their forum.

The liar Monker.......
KWH did not break up the band, Tommy’s drug and alcohol abuse which began years before Kilroy, along with his solo ambitions is why he quit. Styx did not break up, so stop lying and spreading falsehoods. If Tommy rehabs in 1984 as he eventually did, odds are there would have been a new Styx album in 1985 making all this discussion unnecessary.

When they were together there was always competition they have all said so.

So now that Dennis and Styx are competing for Styx fans attention through separate albums and tours they’re not in competition.

Everyone on this site regardless of their affiliation thinks that’s the most hilarious thing you have ever said and that’s saying something.

To the majority of Styx fans Dennis always was the most important member but as he has said those records could have never been made without them all.

Monker wrote:

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:This is from a radio interview I have of Dennis talking about songwriting:
Dennis said: “when JC ,JY and I started writing songs we came up with a formula to define songwriting. All sung melodies and chords behind melody and lyrics constitute songwriting everything else is arrangement. This allowed us to avoid arguing over every single note. When Tommy joined we plugged him in. It has served us well. Arrangement is separate from songwriting otherwise every great solo would qualify.
Nelson Riddles brilliant arrangements of Sinatra’s records were indispensable but he’s not credited as songwriter”.

Although Dennis rearranged Renegade and Boat on the River he was not entitled to songwriting credit. That’s arrangement. He also recently said that although he wrote the organ riff that drives Blue Collar Man and that Tommy wrote the musical beginning of GI they took no songwriting credit. Your ignorant statement over Tommy’s little guitar bit or harmony suggestions, proves the point, that is arrangement not song writing. So shut up you’re wrong when it comes to Styx!!!!

You are a completely ignorant fool.

What Dennis described was how the members of Styx agreed to list songwriting credits. YOU EVEN WROTE IT THAT WAY.

This is EXACTLY what I said. The songwriting credits are how the members get paid. It does NOT describe a complete picture of how a song is written. Dennis even admitted to it. Just because there is a cool solo doesn't mean a songwriting credit.

You have NO CLUE how much the other members of Styx influence songs where one member got a songwriting credit. Thank you for proving my point for me.

No, not to list credits or divide money but to define what they constituted as song writing versus arrangement in the first place. Shall I write this slower for you or in another language.
Anything outside JY,JC’s and Dennis’s three rules not yours became arrangement. Solos no matter how great are not songwriting. That’s says it all.
By your ignorant definition Dennis should be credited as a songwriter on Renegade and Boat on the River because of his changes.
Did Producer Jimmy Miller claim songwriting credit on Honky Tonk woman for his memorable use of cowbell. Or Mick Jones who came in later and overdubbed his distinctive guitar part. No. These are arrangements not songwriting. Jones followed the chords by Jagger and Richards. However Ringo just read your post and decided to sue John Lennon’s estate for his unforgettable drum part on Ticket to Ride. LOL. LOL. LOL
You are dense.
Dennis never ever claimed he wrote any songs that do not have his name on the copyright.

Journey is not Styx. No one here cares, this is a Styx forum. Go back to being a pariah on their forum.

YOU care because you LIED about how long I have said songwriting credits don't mean you know the complete picture of who wrote a song. YOU don't, and neither do Perry fans.

Journey Journey Journey Perry Perry Perry. Look he’s lost all MonkerTroll.

The liar Monker.......
KWH did not break up the band, Tommy’s drug and alcohol abuse which began years before Kilroy, along with his solo ambitions is why he quit. Styx did not break up, so stop lying and spreading falsehoods. If Tommy rehabs in 1984 as he eventually did, odds are there would have been a new Styx album in 1985 making all this discussion unnecessary.

Only Dennis fans like you believe this shit. Styx did not break up...which a bunch of bullshit. If they did not break up, why did Tommy call Dennis multiple times to get the band back together? If they did not break up, why did Dennis say he didn't want the effort to get the band back together be wasted.

If Tommy went through rehab in 1984, he probably would have seen how much of a controlling narcissist DDY really is and would have left anyway. And, BTW, that is probably why he doesn't want him back.

Monker the spreader of lies.
JY called Dennis every six months on behalf of the Panozzo’s not Tommy. They have both said so. The first Dennis heard from Tommy is when he found Jesus and apologized to him for his destructive behavior. Tommy never said he wanted to return until he ran out of album options in the fall of 1987. They have both said that. That is a fact.
Tommy did not, did not contact anyone until he was in his 12 step program in recovery from his drug and alcohol abuse. That’s your hero buddy boy. It wasn’t robots that started his “self medicating” it was his own destructive behavior that stated years before.

We don’t have to guess about 1984 and Dennis’s narcissism.
After Tommy’s rehab we know exactly what happened, he called Dennis to apologize and ask for forgiveness.

When they were together there was always competition they have all said so.

It has been over 20yrs since they were together. Get over it already.

So now that Dennis and Styx are competing for Styx fans attention through separate albums and tours they’re not in competition.

Not now. Dennis has his fans, Styx has theirs, and some are fans of both. After more than 20yrs, sane people have moved on from this petty bullshit.

Fans have moved on says the troll who stuck his big nose into a thread that didn’t concern him. The one wrongly calling out Suzanne’s singing started this.

Everyone on this site regardless of their affiliation thinks that’s the most hilarious thing you have ever said and that’s saying something.

Well, that's fine. I made a half dozen people laugh. Cool.

To the majority of Styx fans Dennis always was the most important member but as he has said those records could have never been made without them all.

And, he said it is his band. He has said he cried over BNW and because he could have produced it better. He said he could have made a hit out of "I Will Be Your Witness"

I'm happy with the music Styx has made over the years. And, I really don't care much about Dennis does or doesn't do.

No, not to list credits or divide money but to define what they constituted as song writing versus arrangement in the first place. Shall I write this slower for you or in another language.

By your ignorant definition Dennis should be credited as a songwriter on Renegade and Boat on the River because of his changes.

Did Producer Jimmy Miller claim songwriting credit on Honky Tonk woman for his memorable use of cowbell. Or Mick Jones who came in later and overdubbed his distinctive guitar part. No. These are arrangements not songwriting. Jones followed the chords by Jagger and Richards. However Ringo just read your post and decided to sue John Lennon’s estate for his unforgettable drum part on Ticket to Ride. LOL. LOL. LOL
You are dense.

Dennis never ever claimed he wrote any songs that do not have his name on the copyright.[/b]

Journey Journey Journey Perry Perry Perry. Look he’s lost all MonkerTroll.

Only Dennis fans like you believe this shit. Styx did not break up...which a bunch of bullshit. If they did not break up, why did Tommy call Dennis multiple times to get the band back together? If they did not break up, why did Dennis say he didn't want the effort to get the band back together be wasted.

If Tommy went through rehab in 1984, he probably would have seen how much of a controlling narcissist DDY really is and would have left anyway. And, BTW, that is probably why he doesn't want him back.

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JY called Dennis every six months on behalf of the Panozzo’s not Tommy. They have both said so. The first Dennis heard from Tommy is when he found Jesus and apologized to him for his destructive behavior. Tommy never said he wanted to return until he ran out of album options in the fall of 1987. They have both said that. That is a fact.
Tommy did not, did not contact anyone until he was in his 12 step program in recovery from his drug and alcohol abuse. That’s your hero buddy boy. It wasn’t robots that started his “self medicating” it was his own destructive behavior that stated years before.

We don’t have to guess about 1984 and Dennis’s narcissism.
After Tommy’s rehab we know exactly what happened, he called Dennis to apologize and ask for forgiveness.[/b]

Fans have moved on says the troll who stuck his big nose into a thread that didn’t concern him. The one wrongly calling out Suzanne’s singing started this.

“I really do not care much about what Dennis does”. Define much. LOL

You pop up all the time to criticize him, so I would hate to see what it would be like if you did care. What a transparent liar you are.

Monker wrote:Are you drunk? You are literally talking in circles and are contradicting yourself.

YOU need to get off your meds and actually read and understand what you are saying. Just after you say it is not about credits you start arguing about why they are not getting songwriting credits:

All you are doing is proving my entire point. Even if you use Denis' weird definition of "songwriting", you STILL don't know they entire picture of what went into writing a song. That is a FACT. You taking shots of whiskey and then posting may cause you to believe you are posting the truth, but you're not.

Monker wrote:I did NOT give any definition. THAT is a flat out LIE on your part. If THE BAND does not want Dennis to get paid royalties for Renegade, then he is not listed as a songwriter.

Monker wrote:Are you really this stupid? I am not making that argument.

Monker wrote:Again, you are just proving my point for me.
If the band was not broke up, JY would not have to call the P brothers every six months.
If the band was not broke up, Dennis would have heard from Tommy much sooner then after he called to apologize.
If the band was not broke up, Tommy would not have to call Dennis multiple times after his solo deal ran out.

The band broke up after KWH. Thank you for proving my point.

Monker wrote:Absolutely, because you were being an obnoxious asshole to someone who didn't deserve it. And, I didn't "pop up" in this thread to criticize his release...as YOU did in the Styx thread. I popped up here because I felt you were out of line in your attacks in Jodes post. She pretty much stays out of the fray here. And, as I said, you just want to pick a fight with someone. Well, thank you for playing.

FormerDJMike wrote:https://youtu.be/o9Lsbj3TpuM

Interesting at 3:02.

Pretty good song but I honestly don't care for whoever the BG vocalists are.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:

Jodes wrote:The voice is amazing as usual, but when it gets to the Chorus, hearing Suzanne's voice - it just makes me grit my teeth. That's my biggest beef. Now if someone could mix her voice out of that mix.. IMO that would make it better!

But then again, what do I know, according to certain members of DDY's family, I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm a "Styx Snooper" for my comments about Tommy Shaw's role in the band and how that they worked as a team for the first few albums and it wasn't just one guy writing their own songs. (Which has been proven and documented, but I don't know what I'm talking about)

I left the Official DDY facebook group because of it. I guess one can't have an opinion based on previous articles, documents, and well songs, that goes against their prevcious saviour.

I'll still purchase the album (if it's available in Canada) but man did that leave a sour taste in my mouth.

You are listening to Isle of Misanthrope the same way you listen to everything Dennis is involved in with your Tommy idolization goggles and ears. His wife did not sing on that track it’s just Dennis and August. He has said so.


Wow. Tommy Idolization goggles eh? So I guess all of my Dennis Deyoung CDs, including his current one, plus my autographed RTP by him are just for show eh? Who has said it's just it's Dennis and August?



Dennis has said in countless interviews both audio and print that Styx was always a product of all the members. That’s what all bands are. You confuse what countless Styx fans on Facebook have said in praising Dennis that he was the driving force in the band and that to them he was Styx. Dennis has never said that.
Even JY said that in BTM when he said Dennis always believed in the band even when he JY was skeptical and that for the first 10 years Dennis was the very best thing for Styx. That would be from 1972 to 1982.

DDY’s family? You probably left because you can’t stand the praise Dennis gets from Styx fans. Which is why you show up here complaining about his wife’s harmonies on the masterpiece Misanthrope when she’s not even singing.

Not at all. You're assuming a lot aren't you?


Read the comments on YouTube by actual Styx fans if you dare, the raves are over whelming. There’s more Styx music in that song than in the whole of the Mission. Not to mention the intellectual depth leaving of us to once again wonder what was the Mission’s concept.
Your point about working together on songwriting is meaningless when you realize that Styx’s biggest hits where not co written. They all benefitted from each other’s musical contributions to their individual songs which Dennis has said but that’s what bands are for. I just read someone claiming that JY said he made Renegade a rock song which is a lie it was Dennis.

If I dare? Are you 10? So because I don't like the harmonies in Isle I'm not an ACTUAL Styx Fan? Fuck you got some nerve pal.



I’m waiting for you to claim Tommy helped write Lady, Babe and Show me the Way.
Finally your references to articles (Tommy and JY have consistently lied about everything for over 20 years which you sadly bought into) and documents of which you have none. We wouldn’t be discussing anyone’s individual contributions if Dennis hadn’t been replaced, we would all still love Styx.
Misanthrope has raised the bar beyond Mars. Just compare the Gone and Silence videos with zero creativity or reference to the concept to what Dennis has produced.

yogi wrote:I think that Jodes is a dude. Used to catch for the Cubs. Like Tony Larussa, he's a huge DDY fan. That's why this Jodes is so mystifying. He's like two people yet the same.

Jodes wrote:

yogi wrote:I think that Jodes is a dude. Used to catch for the Cubs. Like Tony Larussa, he's a huge DDY fan. That's why this Jodes is so mystifying. He's like two people yet the same.

Umm no. Just a small town Alberta boy who grew up idolizing this band and all of it's members, sometimes I'm wrong like all of us, but holy Christ, to come back after a brutal few weeks here in Alberta to this?

Maybe I need to leave again.