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Nearly 2.5 hours (2 parts) talking about his new albums and anything and everything else

https://youtu.be/jtLL_78dUqc

This is probably the best DDY interview out there. DDY sounds like he isn't going to be doing much more of these probably why he is just putting it all out there like this.

Amazing. Who knew he was so much fun? And entirely on the right side of this debacle?

Unbelievable Interview. Best DDY interview I've ever heard. Fantastic job Pete!!!

Thank you for posting StyxGuy

I have listened or read almost all of Dennis’s interviews but this one just might be my favorite. It’s well over two hours long in 2 parts and he covers a variety of Styx related issues, many never formerly addressed. It’s fascinating.
The regard in which he holds his fellow band mates is remarkable given the lies they have told about him and his music. Always funny and so down to earth the comments section is filled with high praise for him. Best interview ever of a rock star is repeated over and again. Even those who don’t care for Styx speak out in glowing terms, some who have decided to give the band a second look based upon liking him.

The Todd Sucherman story about JY not wanting Todd for Styx in 1996 but instead wanting the drummer in his JY group was fascinating. Like with Tommy, Dennis instantly new talent when he heard it and acted. Tommy was not involved with that decision but has benefitted greatly by having Todd. JY too.
Dennis really gives Pete Pardo the host some hysterical thoughts on what he calls prog noggins and especially the back story on all the Wooden Nickel Records. This podcast is about prog and heavy metal yet Dennis slyly pokes fun concerning the word “cheesy” as a negative term and the host Pete Pardon to his credit loved it with everyone having a good laugh.
Dennis breaks down song styles vs. arrangement in very understandable terms even for us non musicians and credits his band mates idea for things he himself has been credited for.
The only way you can listen to this man in interview after interview and square it up by the way he’s been portrayed since 2000 is if you listen with your head submerged in BATHWATER. Your turn “drinkers” speak up we know who you are and we know you will.

Watching any recent Tommy interview compared to any recent Dennis interview and it’s clear Dennis was the leader of Classic Styx. Tommy is now the leader of the new Styx just like I’ve been saying for a long time. Those who have refuted this admit you were wrong. You won’t.
And JY? You only have to watch him on stage on YouTube since they have returned to concerts with Tommy’s pal WE playing guitar as I also predicted he would.

CS are you seriously curious about my feelings about COTC.

I remember for the 96 tour I was wondering if they would use Ken Harck and was disappointed when they didn't, although it worked out great because Todd is a very awesome drummer. It's just at the time I had no idea who Todd was but had heard Ken play Styx tracks on the JYG tour and he did a great job. Incidentally, Styx did use Lou DePasqua for the RTP tour on supplemental keyboards

About Tommy leading Styx.

Prior to The Mission, I don't think anybody was particularly "Leading" Styx. JY was vocal about not doing an album and doing singles instead. It's a singles market nowadays, etc. It seemed the plan was to release extras on live recordings and then eventually release an album from those extras.

Tommy did "The Mission" behind the scenes. It didn't become a Styx project until it HAD to become a Styx project...because he needed the rest of the band to record. That's not Tommy taking the reins and leading the band. That's Tommy being reluctant and not leading until the situation forced him to.

CotC feels more like a group effort with Tommy and Will directing things. I do not see Tommy dominating Styx. I see Tommy wanting to create and finding a way to do that in Styx. I see Will, Gowan, and maybe Ricky following that lead and wanting to create as well. Todd doesn't seem as much of a songwriter but I'm sure he must be happy to be playing something new.

JY seems to have had his ideas for the future pushed to the side by all of this creative energy. He seems to just be going with it but not really engaged in it as much as he could be. I doubt that is anybody's decision but his own. The same if he leaves...he won't be fired. I also don't see Will as his replacement. I see Will as someone who brought in fresh writing ideas who helped Tommy kick off these new efforts in writing new albums. That is a good thing for everybody, including JY.

I like the idea of being "album oriented". Put the best songs together on a CD as you can and release it. Forget trying to write for singles and radio, it's nearly impossible to get new stuff on air anyway. Try to offer fans an album worth buying as a whole. Hopefully they release more like this.

All of these power struggles and drama within Styx exited with Dennis. Funny how Dennis' most vocal fans do not see this, or admit it. Funny how they do not accept the idea that no longer having to deal with all of that drama is a good reason to never invite Dennis back into the band.

You may be 100% right about what you said. But the fact remains JY, Tommy, Chuck & Cahil 100% lied about Dennis & the Kilroy album & tour.They slandered Dennis to no end. Just tell the damn truth. All they had to say was Dennis can’t tour, we’ve got a tour lined up. We’ve got a new album. Everything’s set and we are going out with or without Dennis. Then when Dennis was ready to jump back in they could of said NO. We like the band as is. Sorry Dennis but this is who want to play Styx music with. Shit it’s not that hard. No way did they all have to lie and make Dennis look like shit. Because they all did lie and they knew they would believed because they had the numbers on their side.

I honestly don’t care other than the fact it’s such a shitty thing to do. Dennis saw these guys not only as co workers but friends. They totally blindsided him. It didn’t have to be done this way.

yogi wrote:You may be 100% right about what you said. But the fact remains JY, Tommy, Chuck & Cahil 100% lied about Dennis & the Kilroy album & tour.They slandered Dennis to no end. Just tell the damn truth. All they had to say was Dennis can’t tour, we’ve got a tour lined up. We’ve got a new album. Everything’s set and we are going out with or without Dennis. Then when Dennis was ready to jump back in they could of said NO. We like the band as is. Sorry Dennis but this is who want to play Styx music with. Shit it’s not that hard. No way did they all have to lie and make Dennis look like shit. Because they all did lie and they knew they would believed because they had the numbers on their side.

I honestly don’t care other than the fact it’s such a shitty thing to do. Dennis saw these guys not only as co workers but friends. They totally blindsided him. It didn’t have to be done this way.

You obviously do care because you keep trolling this topic, just as much as the Queen B. YOU brought this up, not me. How many times do you want to troll this topic and argue about it?

It is YOUR perspective on all of the above.

But the fact remains JY, Tommy, Chuck & Cahil 100% lied about Dennis & the Kilroy album & tour.

I don't think so. I think from their perspective what they said is exactly what they saw. Even Sammy Hagar said the exact same things, saying his performance broke Styx up...I posted that article.

All they had to say was Dennis can’t tour, we’ve got a tour lined up.

And, Tommy wanted to cancel the entire project before it even got to that point...and DENNIS insisted on continuing. Dennis put himself in this situation, making himself sick (by his own admission) by dedicating just as much time to Hunchback as he did to Styx. DENNIS insists on leading something that he could not even follow through on. So, the band cut out his leadership to get BNW finished. Then they replaced him and toured. Then he sued the band but still expects them to invite him back? Please. Dennis takes no responsibility for anything and everything is somebody elses fault and he is the victim. THAT is the very definition of being a drama queen and a failed "leader".

All Dennis had to do was drop Hunchback to the backburner and concentrate on Styx. Tommy didn't burn himself out while doind 7DZ. If Dennis couldn't do the same, he should have either quit Styx or dropped Hunchback. He chose to be fired.

Dennis looks like he does by his own doing. Captain Dunsel didn't think he could be replaced. Well, he was. Back in 1980's, Styx was making millions per year because of Dennis hits and touring. In the late 90's, they were not doing squat with albums. They did one tour and one shortened tour but because of Hunchback and Dennis, they were not releasing albums and they were cutting back on touring - which is where the band made their money. Captain Dunsul run out of usefulness by then and brought nothing to the band but drama and distraction. He was not bringing in the $'s, but limiting the $'s they could make...and making everybody miserable in the process. Cutting out Dennis' take on the profit is not the greed part...being able to tour and be happy is where Styx was being "greedy"...as they should have been.

When is Dennis going to admit to everything he did wrong, unconditinaly? I don't think he knows how. I think he is so arrogant and so much of a narcissist that he CAN'T say "this huge thing is my fault and I take full responsibility for it." How arrogant you are to sue a group and then practically beg to be brought back into that group, and then call them liars and theives while in the process of trying to get back together.

Dennis is where he is because of who he is. His B's swarming forums and trolling over this argument does not change that.

FormerDJMike wrote:I remember for the 96 tour I was wondering if they would use Ken Harck and was disappointed when they didn't, although it worked out great because Todd is a very awesome drummer. It's just at the time I had no idea who Todd was but had heard Ken play Styx tracks on the JYG tour and he did a great job. Incidentally, Styx did use Lou DePasqua for the RTP tour on supplemental keyboards

Mike.
So was Dennis unquestionably right when he made the decision to override JY and choose Todd?
Louis DePasqua played string synth when Dennis played grand piano just like all his keyboard roadies did before and after. He was in JY’s band.

Monker wrote:

yogi wrote:You may be 100% right about what you said. But the fact remains JY, Tommy, Chuck & Cahil 100% lied about Dennis & the Kilroy album & tour.They slandered Dennis to no end. Just tell the damn truth. All they had to say was Dennis can’t tour, we’ve got a tour lined up. We’ve got a new album. Everything’s set and we are going out with or without Dennis. Then when Dennis was ready to jump back in they could of said NO. We like the band as is. Sorry Dennis but this is who want to play Styx music with. Shit it’s not that hard. No way did they all have to lie and make Dennis look like shit. Because they all did lie and they knew they would believed because they had the numbers on their side.

I honestly don’t care other than the fact it’s such a shitty thing to do. Dennis saw these guys not only as co workers but friends. They totally blindsided him. It didn’t have to be done this way.

You obviously do care because you keep trolling this topic, just as much as the Queen B. YOU brought this up, not me. How many times do you want to troll this topic and argue about it?

It is YOUR perspective on all of the above.

But the fact remains JY, Tommy, Chuck & Cahil 100% lied about Dennis & the Kilroy album & tour.

I don't think so. I think from their perspective what they said is exactly what they saw. Even Sammy Hagar said the exact same things, saying his performance broke Styx up...I posted that article.

All they had to say was Dennis can’t tour, we’ve got a tour lined up.

And, Tommy wanted to cancel the entire project before it even got to that point...and DENNIS insisted on continuing. Dennis put himself in this situation, making himself sick (by his own admission) by dedicating just as much time to Hunchback as he did to Styx. DENNIS insists on leading something that he could not even follow through on. So, the band cut out his leadership to get BNW finished. Then they replaced him and toured. Then he sued the band but still expects them to invite him back? Please. Dennis takes no responsibility for anything and everything is somebody elses fault and he is the victim. THAT is the very definition of being a drama queen and a failed "leader".

All Dennis had to do was drop Hunchback to the backburner and concentrate on Styx. Tommy didn't burn himself out while doind 7DZ. If Dennis couldn't do the same, he should have either quit Styx or dropped Hunchback. He chose to be fired.

Dennis looks like he does by his own doing. Captain Dunsel didn't think he could be replaced. Well, he was. Back in 1980's, Styx was making millions per year because of Dennis hits and touring. In the late 90's, they were not doing squat with albums. They did one tour and one shortened tour but because of Hunchback and Dennis, they were not releasing albums and they were cutting back on touring - which is where the band made their money. Captain Dunsul run out of usefulness by then and brought nothing to the band but drama and distraction. He was not bringing in the $'s, but limiting the $'s they could make...and making everybody miserable in the process. Cutting out Dennis' take on the profit is not the greed part...being able to tour and be happy is where Styx was being "greedy"...as they should have been.

When is Dennis going to admit to everything he did wrong, unconditinaly? I don't think he knows how. I think he is so arrogant and so much of a narcissist that he CAN'T say "this huge thing is my fault and I take full responsibility for it." How arrogant you are to sue a group and then practically beg to be brought back into that group, and then call them liars and theives while in the process of trying to get back together.

Dennis is where he is because of who he is. His B's swarming forums and trolling over this argument does not change that.

Everything you claim is 100% wrong and has been previously explained on this site with facts that you choose ignore.
Tommy the quitter.
BNW was Tommy’s idea. He sent Dennis song demos. Despite being quite ill Dennis loved the songs and started working on the album. Half way thru the recording a tour was proposed. Dennis asked that they finish the record first giving him the time he required to recover for a tour. He didn’t want to commit not knowing if his health would hold up.

Tommy called Dennis and said he wouldn’t finish the album without a booked tour.
JY and Chuck never said that, it was Shaw. CMC lawyers told Tommy that Styx owed them a studio album per contract and they had better deliver one. CMC only released the live RTP to stall because Tommy needed money and had asked Dennis to tour in 1997 instead of recording. Everyone in the band knew Dennis had a prior Hunchback commitment for 1997. Dennis did the tour, mixed an produced the live album with 3 new songs and Hunchback all to help Tommy financially. CMC wanted a studio album not a live one from Styx they were supposed to record it in 97. Tommy’s money problems derailed everything.
Tommy returned to the studio after hearing from CMC lawyers.

“Dennis made himself sick”. Everyone please let that statement sink in for a moment and know what sort of person Sean Morrison “man in car” is. Actually we do know.
By helping Tommy “he made himself sick” simply disgusting.
In January of 1998 Dennis gets an awful virus, think covid, which permanently ruins his eyes. I know “He made himself sick”.
He not only loses his place in Styx but must put the Hunchback on hold as well. He never gets back in Styx and the Hunchback never fully recovers. Of course he did all this to himself on purpose, certainly not to help Tommy financially.

As previously stated the Hunchback producers had invested three quarters of a million dollars beginning in 1995 with the planned premiere of the musical in 97. At that time Shaw in 95 was still officially in DY.

Time out: Why was Dennis even doing a musical? Why did he do solo albums? Why was there a Glen Burtnik, an EOTC? Why wasn’t Dennis just in Styx where he always wanted to be. Answer. Tommy quit the band in 1983 while abusing drugs and alcohol. Roboto was not his dealer lol. And Dennis refused to replace him understanding Tommy’s value more then the other guys in the band did. So any Broadway nonsense should be understood by this simple fact, Shaw is a quitter. He threatened to quit over First Time as well. No one else did. If Tommy does not quit Dennis is only in Styx where he belongs and always has wanted to be.

Tommy the quitter, regarding the lost Damn Yankees album. Tommy does not rejoin Styx in 1990 and chooses DY. Then he ditches DY for the Styx reunion in 1996. Show him the money.


FINALLY THE TRUTH
“Man in Car” goes on to essentially say that Shaw and Young replaced Dennis because he was no longer of hit making financial value to them. Finally he stumbles on the truth. You mean in 1999 it really had nothing to do with Robots, Broadway or ballads. No it was money and power and a belief that their sick colleague had outlived his value. Exactly what fans everywhere have come to understand despite all the lies. Read what Sean Morrison (Monker) says carefully it’s right there. He at long last says it. Money money money.

By the way Yogi my apologies, Sean says you are a troll for simply stating the facts. “Cotton Bowl, BTM” what are you going to do believe what his idols say or you’re lying eyes. Again disgusting.

Here’s what I know: 1. I really really liked Cyclorama, Loved The Mission & I think Crash Of The Crown is pure Styx genius. I would for sure drive 300 miles 1 way 600 miles total 3Xs if it fit my schedule to see Styx perform a double set featuring the albums The Mission & Crash Of The Crown + a couple of encores. No doubt I would do that.

As per Dennis I loved 100 Years From Now & 26 East Volume 1. I’m still kind of lukewarm on Volume 2.

I also know for a fact that Styx ABSOLUTELY stole the show @ the Dallas version of the Texxas Jam in 1983 which I attended. As great as the Hagar, Nugent & Emmett’s Led Zep encore was Styx with their Kilroy show headlining the Jam were the show stoppers.

Tommy, JY & Cahil lied 100% about the Dallas Cotton Bowl show.

I was there as were 30,000 to 40,000 that remained after the Hagar set ended.

Brutal Heat,an extremely long day, no working or clean restrooms, Texas Blue Laws(no beer sales after Hagar), fight ejections, young kids curfews, not liking Styx but coming to the Jam to see Nugent, Triumph, Hagar …, booing on cue when Heavy Metal Poisoning & Dr Rightous appears was what was shown on Behind The Music.

The booing & people leaving had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Kilroy tour & Styx headlining playing the Kilroy shows.

That’s it Styx with Dennis got back together for successful tours & albums after their initial split. There was never a mention of problems until Dennis couldn’t tour to support Brave New World. Money was going to be lost and I’m sure some of their members needed the cash. It was strictly for financial reasons they moved on without Dennis. I never had a problem with that. My ONLY problem is that they ALL 100% lied about Dennis’s ouster. They are happier without him, that’s great too. They are making GREAT new music. GREAT again.

But…. They all publicly lied their asses off when this all started about Dennis & Kilroy. They slandered him & in the process stole the band from him that He, Chuck & John started. They absolutely fuc ked Dennis. They had numbers on their sides & they knew if they all stuck to their stories about Kilroy & Dennis being such a prick they would be believed.

That’s it, it’s how I see it and it’s what I will always believe is the truth

BNW was Tommy’s idea. He sent Dennis song demos. Despite being quite ill Dennis loved the songs and started working on the album. Half way thru the recording a tour was proposed. Dennis asked that they finish the record first giving him the time he required to recover for a tour. He didn’t want to commit not knowing if his health would hold up.

Tommy called Dennis and said he wouldn’t finish the album without a booked tour.
JY and Chuck never said that, it was Shaw.

Which is exactly what I said. Tommy wanted to scrap the entire thing. But, Dennis and CMC forced Tommy into doing something he did't want to do. Yeah, that's great leadership there. Instead of listening and understanding that Tommy wanted to put off recording until Dennis was well enough to do a full tour, just gang up on Tommy and force him, and Styx, to be in the very situation Tommy was trying to avoid....a big reunion album being released but the band unable to tour. Ask Journey how well that goes...Tommy did.

“Dennis made himself sick”.

I never said that. Funny how you have to lie and misquote to attempt to make a point.

By helping Tommy “he made himself sick” simply disgusting.

Yes, it's disgusting that you have to misquote me.

The FACT is that DENNIS DEYOUNG said that putting so much effort into both Hunchback and Styx is what caused him to get sick. Dennis said that. Are you going to say these same insults to DENNIS DEYOUNG. Are you going to call him a liar? Are you going to say he is "disgusting"? Dennis is the one you need to argue with, not me.

In January of 1998 Dennis gets an awful virus, think covid,

Quit lying. He did not have COVID or anything like it. He had the flu, which is a COMPLETELY different thing.

which permanently ruins his eyes. I know “He made himself sick”.

Take it up with Dennis. He is the one who said he was under enormous stress, or whatever, because of devoting his time to both Hunchback and Styx. If he hadn't stretched himself too thin, maybe none of this would not have happened. He has only himself to blame, according to himself.

He not only loses his place in Styx but must put the Hunchback on hold as well. He never gets back in Styx and the Hunchback never fully recovers. Of course he did all this to himself on purpose, certainly not to help Tommy financially.

Oh, stop it with the Tommy bullshit. Tommy's issues are Tommy's issues. Dennis trying to "rescue" Tommy is just more evidence that Dennis is a drama queen taking on other people's issues. He's an innocent "victim", he's a "rescuer", and he's a "villian". Those are the three roles in drama...and Dennis plays all three roles very well.

As previously stated the Hunchback producers had invested three quarters of a million dollars beginning in 1995 with the planned premiere of the musical in 97. At that time Shaw in 95 was still officially in DY.

Time out: Why was Dennis even doing a musical? Why did he do solo albums? Why was there a Glen Burtnik, an EOTC? Why wasn’t Dennis just in Styx where he always wanted to be. Answer. Tommy quit the band in 1983

Look at you blaming every problem Dennis has on everybody and anybody else.

Dennis was not in Styx because Dennis made choices to not be in Styx. He could have continued Styx without Tommy. He could have dropped Boomchild and committed to reuniting with Tommy and the rest of Styx prior to DY. Tommy is not to blame for Dennis and his choices that prevented him from being in Styx. DENNIS DEYOUNG lives his own life, not Tommy, nor anybody else.

The life Dennis lives is that of a drama queen...take no responsibility, be a victive, blame everybody else for your issues.

while abusing drugs and alcohol.

Of which Tommy took responsibility for and got over all of that. In fact, i would bet that part of the learning process of that was to recognize drama and toxic people and to cut them out of your life...which is another reason Dennis is not in Styx.

So any Broadway nonsense should be understood by this simple fact, Shaw is a quitter.

Being around all of that drama, all of that finger pointing - which continues to this day, and all of that arrogance and control - I don't blame him for wanting to quit.

“Man in Car” goes on to essentially say that Shaw and Young replaced Dennis because he was no longer of hit making financial value to them.

Not just that...Dennis was of no value at all. He brings Hunchback songs to reunion albums, refuses to get better before they record the album, what he does contribute adds little to no value. On top of that, he brings in all of the fore mention drama.

Finally he stumbles on the truth. You mean in 1999 it really had nothing to do with Robots, Broadway or ballads.

I absolutely believe they had a "here we go again..." reaction to what was happening. Yes, in 1982-4 the entire Roboto thing broke the band up. All of the theatrics, all of the stuff nobody really wanted to do. All of the arguing and finger pointing and drame. All of those memories had to come back due to Hunchback, short tours, unable to contribute to the album, unable to tour....and taking no real responsibility for anything.

No it was money and power and a belief that their sick colleague had outlived his value.

I think that is partially true and partially invented crap. Yes, I think they saw Dennis as someone who brought little value to the band. But, it was not just money. As has been pointed out, they had been on two successful tours. They were on the reunion and a comeback. In the middle of that, fring Dennis is not a smart way of becoming rich. Anybody who believes so does not have any respect for how much of a draw Dennis is in Styx. It was a HUGE risk to replace him. What I believe is that they would rather tour bars and barely scrape by then spend any more time with Captain Dunsel who liked to order people around, take credit for everything, who was full of arrogance and a narcissist, who always plays the victim, and was really not contributing anything of value to the band any longer.

By the way Yogi my apologies, Sean says you are a troll for simply stating the facts.

No, he's trolling. It is the second or third time I have seen him post these things from out of the blue. He is absolutely following your lead and trolling.

Never a troll Monk.
I’m pretty sure there’s one guy who knows somewhat what the actual truth is. That would be Glen Burtnik. He’s been with Styx with Dennis & JY minus Tommy. Styx with Tommy & JY minus Dennis and finally with Dennis solo minus both Tommy & JY. Never truly loving their music but needing a good solid pay check.

I really liked Glen. Fantastic & truly under rated performer & all around great guy. Thanks Suite for allowing me to meet him. That was a hi light for me cause we spoke for a pretty long time.

I’m sure as we all feel we are in the know the truth lies somewhere smack dab in the middle where there’s plenty of praise & blame for everyone involved.

RE: Dennis' illness

I've dealt with something similar.. went to my doctor who thought I might have MS but thought it was a slim chance... waited 3 months for an MRI, by then my symptoms had subsided.. 2 months later I'm at a neurologist who tells me I probably had "some kind of virus" and was lucky it wasn't one that causes something like Guillain-Barre or Bell's Palsay. Never really got any answers though... Dennis did eventually get a diagnosis (unfortunately at the time it was "I don't know what's wrong.. just wait for me")

I believe what Dennis has laid out was that along with fatigue from work projects, stress from losing a close friend and his father (and another family member?) he had also been ravaged by an infection for weeks (Epstein-Barr virus, aka Mono) which was made worse due to it infecting via a recent root canal. The end diagnosis of Epstein-Barr syndrome is a rare side-effect form Mono. I'm not doctor enough to know if the stress/fatigue made the whole thing worse or not... but he was sick, it was debilitating.. that seems to be a fact we can stand by.

"Dennis was sick and we didn't know when or if he would be better, so we went on without him" sounds a lot worse than "Dennis was a tyrant for years and none of us ever got along with him personally.. Roboto alienated our original fans and scared Tommy away, the 96/97 reunion was barely tolerable and now he doesn't want to tour 200 shows a year so we're divorcing him"

yogi wrote:Never a troll Monk.
I’m pretty sure there’s one guy who knows somewhat what the actual truth is. That would be Glen Burtnik. He’s been with Styx with Dennis & JY minus Tommy. Styx with Tommy & JY minus Dennis and finally with Dennis solo minus both Tommy & JY. Never truly loving their music but needing a good solid pay check.

I really liked Glen. Fantastic & truly under rated performer & all around great guy. Thanks Suite for allowing me to meet him. That was a hi light for me cause we spoke for a pretty long time.

I’m sure as we all feel we are in the know the truth lies somewhere smack dab in the middle where there’s plenty of praise & blame for everyone involved.

Yogi you are a gentleman and certainly not a troll like “man in car” who called you one.
He wants you to stop posting the truth. It makes him look stupid.
The Tommy BATHWATER drinker number 1 knows he is wrong about Shaw, he sees the cracks in their story but he has already stated his belief system publicly ad nauseum by swearing his allegiance to liars. He is trapped. For Tommy or JY to be wrong about anything means he is wrong, and he can never be wrong about anything.
He’s damaged goods. I only respond to point out to everyone on this site his ignorance and misplaced hatred of someone he’s never met. I try to dispel the ugly myth that they tried to create about Dennis for money.
I believe he does not hate Dennis nearly as much as those of us who defend him and the classic Styx line up which certainly includes Dennis.
He calls you a troll for daring to know the truth which in turn calls out all his lies and ignorance. You cannot be right Yogi because that makes him wrong.

The truth does not lie somewhere in the middle not this time. That would be giving credence to known liars and of course hypocrites. You are just being nice. Dennis got replaced for getting sick and trying to help a band mate. Money makes people do all sort of things. Even Dennis admits in the Pardo interview that Shaw and Young’s desire to tour and make money he understood but it was the pointless criticism of him that hurt.
I’m happy that you can enjoy all the new music that’s been released and I respect your opinion because it’s only based on honesty.

Yes Glen knows the truth as does Keith Marks and I have heard some of it but like all Styx employees they must sign an NDA. As far I know Dennis requires no such thing. Truth is finally coming out but it’s been a long time coming.

Tommy, JY,& to a lesser degree Chuck know they totally lied about the Texxas Jam Cotton Bowl edition.

Cahil lied too but what he said was a little different & actually possibly slightly more accurate because the crowd was totally amped and out of control when the Hagar, Nugent,& Rik Emmett encore concluded Sammy Hagars set. It was a wild scene. I was on the field everyone was stoked but it was a tired wired stoked. Two of my buddies left for the parking lot to go to our vehicle which had the alcohol after it was announced beer sales were halted. They never returned because there was no re entry into the Cotton Bowl. They didn’t care they just partied in the parking lot & were happy because at the time that was the heaviest rock show they had ever seen. They had both seen Styx & their Paradise Theatet & Kilroy shows before. They both loved those shows but their mood at the time was pure testosterone.

Styx played their asses off and everyone who stayed ( 30,000 - 40,000) loved them. No way on earth does The Jam even come close to selling those amount of seats if Styx isn’t the headline act. Here’s the Styx set that the rowdiest of the rowdy’s would of loved that night:
The Grand Illusion
Midnight Ride
Miss America
Snowblind
Blue Collar Man
Suite Madame Blue
Renegade
Heavy Metal Poisoning
Half Penny Two Penny
Great White Hope
Too Much Time On My Hands
Borrowed Time
Rockin The Paradise
Come Sail Away

Styx played 7 or 8 ( can’t remember it was so long ago) of those songs that night plus parts of two others. Yes they played some softer bigger hits like they have at every show they played since they signed with A&M. The Kilroy tour was GREAT !!! The song selection featured 75% of the songs they played during the Paradise Theater tour. Styx was NEVER Hagar, Nugent or Triumph. They were always a band the critics hated but their fans loved.Styx fans love the diversity of Styx and Styx ALWAYS delivers. Styx was Styx that night as they. They totally delivered the goods, & the goods were GREAT! They were the reason so many people attended that huge festival show. Without them 20,000 tops attend.

yogi wrote:Tommy, JY,& to a lesser degree Chuck know they totally lied about the Texxas Jam Cotton Bowl edition.

Cahil lied too but what he said was a little different & actually possibly slightly more accurate because the crowd was totally amped and out of control when the Hagar, Nugent,& Rik Emmett encore concluded Sammy Hagars set. It was a wild scene. I was on the field everyone was stoked but it was a tired wired stoked. Two of my buddies left for the parking lot to go to our vehicle which had the alcohol after it was announced beer sales were halted. They never returned because there was no re entry into the Cotton Bowl. They didn’t care they just partied in the parking lot & were happy because at the time that was the heaviest rock show they had ever seen. They had both seen Styx & their Paradise Theatet & Kilroy shows before. They both loved those shows but their mood at the time was pure testosterone.

Styx played their asses off and everyone who stayed ( 30,000 - 40,000) loved them. No way on earth does The Jam even come close to selling those amount of seats if Styx isn’t the headline act. Here’s the Styx set that the rowdiest of the rowdy’s would of loved that night:
The Grand Illusion
Midnight Ride
Miss America
Snowblind
Blue Collar Man
Suite Madame Blue
Renegade
Heavy Metal Poisoning
Half Penny Two Penny
Great White Hope
Too Much Time On My Hands
Borrowed Time
Rockin The Paradise
Come Sail Away

Styx played 7 or 8 ( can’t remember it was so long ago) of those songs that night plus parts of two others. Yes they played some softer bigger hits like they have at every show they played since they signed with A&M. The Kilroy tour was GREAT !!! The song selection featured 75% of the songs they played during the Paradise Theater tour. Styx was NEVER Hagar, Nugent or Triumph. They were always a band the critics hated but their fans loved.Styx fans love the diversity of Styx and Styx ALWAYS delivers. Styx was Styx that night as they. They totally delivered the goods, & the goods were GREAT! They were the reason so many people attended that huge festival show. Without them 20,000 tops attend.

I found the set list - June 18, 1983 and June 19, 1983

Mr. Roboto
Rockin' the Paradise
Blue Collar Man (Long Nights)
Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)
Snowblind
Too Much Time on My Hands
Don't Let It End
Cold War
The Best of Times
Miss America
Great Balls of Fire (Jerry Lee Lewis cover)
Come Sail Away

Encore:
Renegade
Haven't We Been Here Before
Don't Let It End
Twist and Shout (The Top Notes cover)

What's interesting is that the concerts before and after the Texxas Jam, the set lists were different. I wish I could have seen all those concerts, such a great variety of songs!

They also played Heavy Metal Poisoning ( JY’s heaviest and maybe his best song) but it’s played like Roboto without the band there. JY was GREAT on the Kilroy tour. They also show a short rendition of Borrowed Time in the story when Dennis & Tommy are talking. Great tour!!9

Didn't Dennis renegotiate things so that he got a larger cut? That never gets mentioned, but that'd definitely be a key point here. I need to pull out Sterling's great book.

brywool wrote:Didn't Dennis renegotiate things so that he got a larger cut? That never gets mentioned, but that'd definitely be a key point here. I need to pull out Sterling's great book.

You never responded to my post about your misguided claim of Dennis’s reliance on the past regarding his music. Why? I thought I made some valid points.

Regarding your renegotiating question in a word no Dennis did not.
JY and Dennis have said in interviews that all royalties from record sales and concerts etc were always split evenly including 1996 and 1997. Except Todd. When Tommy came back they gave him an equal share. Dennis has said this does not include the current band where Tommy and JY split the money evenly and the others are paid as employees. If Dennis came back it would most likely be split three ways. Though who knows. Dennis has said constantly it’s not about money but the fans and the Styx legacy. Watching Pardo I see the love, passion and respect he has for Styx and especially the guys he worked with. He gives respect and credit. The other members have acted shamefully. Yogi has spoken the truth. Only deniers look away.
It just feels like you’re looking for ways to denigrate Dennis by bringing up renegotiating with the hope that bad Dennis was being financially unfair. I hope I’m wrong.

Ah ok. Somewhere, I've misremembered the financial deal there. I'm not really obliged to reply, SMB. I'd rather not get into the p*ssing match that I see here that goes on and on. I barely post here these days. That being said- I'm not sure I agree with u. Listen to ANY interview since the split (Definitely the Pardo interview) and a good portion of his music. So much of it is about the past. It IRKS me that Dennis rarely speaks of August, Jimmy, etc. but ALWAY about JY and Tommy. Look- I LOVE Dennis. Always have, though I disagree with him on some things in the way he frames stuff. Really- I'm a fanboy and have been since I first saw them so many freaking years ago. I'm a diehard. I prefer Styx's music both then and now to what Dennis is producing now, but I've always supported Dennis and anybody that knows me, knows what a diehard Dennis guy I am. I buy it. I listen to it. But it doesn't grab me as a whole as much as it used to. BUT... Seriously- If I was August and I kept reading 'Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy'.... I'd seriously get a complex... There's nothing Dennis can do to change things without JY, Tommy, & Chuck's buy in, so, PERSONALLY, I wish that he'd move on from what WAS to what IS. It's just my opinion and it means nothing. I would like to hear about his stuff now. I've GOT so many of those old interviews and have heard them over the years. I want to hear about the process and his inspirations NOW. I get it- from his POV, he got the shaft. Ok... but man- after so long, to hold that. That can't be good for him. I think that the light sensitivity stuff was just kind of the final straw for these guys. I know u love him. I do too. I mean no disrespect, but seriously- as he said - get over the 'he said, they said' and just enjoy the music.

That is your perspective on things. Tommy came out and watched the end of Sammy and Nugent's set. He saw people leaving in droves. He saw the venue emptying after Hagar and Nugent doing their antics. Even YOU just said that two of your friends were done after seeing it.

Calling all of these people liars just because they have a different perspective then you do is nothing more than an attempted insult at people just because they do not see things the way you do.

As I posted before:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/sammy-h ... x-breakup/

Ted Nugent said, ""by the time they hit the stage, 60 percent of the audience went, 'I don't want to ruin this high I just got on.'"

Sammy Hagar said, ""And then Styx, came out with 'Mr. Roboto.'" Hagar says Tommy Shaw "told me straight up, 'I quit the band after that.'"

Are they lying, too? Everybody is a liar just because they did not see things they way you did? That is pathetic, at best.

What purpose did this even serve to bring it up? This has all been discussed before. Nothing in this thread even pointed to this 40yr old occurrence. It looks to me like trolling just add more DDY discussion to the forum.

yogi wrote:Tommy, JY,& to a lesser degree Chuck know they totally lied about the Texxas Jam Cotton Bowl edition.

Cahil lied too but what he said was a little different & actually possibly slightly more accurate because the crowd was totally amped and out of control when the Hagar, Nugent,& Rik Emmett encore concluded Sammy Hagars set. It was a wild scene. I was on the field everyone was stoked but it was a tired wired stoked. Two of my buddies left for the parking lot to go to our vehicle which had the alcohol after it was announced beer sales were halted. They never returned because there was no re entry into the Cotton Bowl. They didn’t care they just partied in the parking lot & were happy because at the time that was the heaviest rock show they had ever seen. They had both seen Styx & their Paradise Theatet & Kilroy shows before. They both loved those shows but their mood at the time was pure testosterone.

Styx played their asses off and everyone who stayed ( 30,000 - 40,000) loved them. No way on earth does The Jam even come close to selling those amount of seats if Styx isn’t the headline act. Here’s the Styx set that the rowdiest of the rowdy’s would of loved that night:
The Grand Illusion
Midnight Ride
Miss America
Snowblind
Blue Collar Man
Suite Madame Blue
Renegade
Heavy Metal Poisoning
Half Penny Two Penny
Great White Hope
Too Much Time On My Hands
Borrowed Time
Rockin The Paradise
Come Sail Away

Styx played 7 or 8 ( can’t remember it was so long ago) of those songs that night plus parts of two others. Yes they played some softer bigger hits like they have at every show they played since they signed with A&M. The Kilroy tour was GREAT !!! The song selection featured 75% of the songs they played during the Paradise Theater tour. Styx was NEVER Hagar, Nugent or Triumph. They were always a band the critics hated but their fans loved.Styx fans love the diversity of Styx and Styx ALWAYS delivers. Styx was Styx that night as they. They totally delivered the goods, & the goods were GREAT! They were the reason so many people attended that huge festival show. Without them 20,000 tops attend.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:

brywool wrote:Didn't Dennis renegotiate things so that he got a larger cut? That never gets mentioned, but that'd definitely be a key point here. I need to pull out Sterling's great book.

You never responded to my post about your misguided claim of Dennis’s reliance on the past regarding his music. Why? I thought I made some valid points.

Regarding your renegotiating question in a word no Dennis did not.
JY and Dennis have said in interviews that all royalties from record sales and concerts etc were always split evenly including 1996 and 1997. Except Todd. When Tommy came back they gave him an equal share. Dennis has said this does not include the current band where Tommy and JY split the money evenly and the others are paid as employees. If Dennis came back it would most likely be split three ways. Though who knows. Dennis has said constantly it’s not about money but the fans and the Styx legacy. Watching Pardo I see the love, passion and respect he has for Styx and especially the guys he worked with. He gives respect and credit. The other members have acted shamefully. Yogi has spoken the truth. Only deniers look away.
It just feels like you’re looking for ways to denigrate Dennis by bringing up renegotiating with the hope that bad Dennis was being financially unfair. I hope I’m wrong.

I'm pretty sure Styx is incorporated the same way most of these bands are. So, yeah, at the end of the lawsuit Dennis was probably kicked out of the corporation that either owned the Styx trademark, or had a license to use it. What I would guess is that at the end of the lawsuit a new corporate entity was created without Dennis and only Tommy and JY. Yes, the rest of the band were "employees" of that corporation. For the band to add a new member to the corporation, they would most likely create a new corporate entity and include the new member. This is probably what Dennis would demand and probably where Tommy and JY would tell him to fuck off because they would never allow him to have any such power. He would either join as a temporary member getting paid what Gowan, Todd, Ricky, and Chuck are - or not at all. He has no power to get anything more than that...and it's pretty obvious that Tommy and JY do not even want Dennis as a paid employee of Styx.

Monker wrote:

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:

brywool wrote:Didn't Dennis renegotiate things so that he got a larger cut? That never gets mentioned, but that'd definitely be a key point here. I need to pull out Sterling's great book.

You never responded to my post about your misguided claim of Dennis’s reliance on the past regarding his music. Why? I thought I made some valid points.

Regarding your renegotiating question in a word no Dennis did not.
JY and Dennis have said in interviews that all royalties from record sales and concerts etc were always split evenly including 1996 and 1997. Except Todd. When Tommy came back they gave him an equal share. Dennis has said this does not include the current band where Tommy and JY split the money evenly and the others are paid as employees. If Dennis came back it would most likely be split three ways. Though who knows. Dennis has said constantly it’s not about money but the fans and the Styx legacy. Watching Pardo I see the love, passion and respect he has for Styx and especially the guys he worked with. He gives respect and credit. The other members have acted shamefully. Yogi has spoken the truth. Only deniers look away.
It just feels like you’re looking for ways to denigrate Dennis by bringing up renegotiating with the hope that bad Dennis was being financially unfair. I hope I’m wrong.

I'm pretty sure Styx is incorporated the same way most of these bands are. So, yeah, at the end of the lawsuit Dennis was probably kicked out of the corporation that either owned the Styx trademark, or had a license to use it. What I would guess is that at the end of the lawsuit a new corporate entity was created without Dennis and only Tommy and JY. Yes, the rest of the band were "employees" of that corporation. For the band to add a new member to the corporation, they would most likely create a new corporate entity and include the new member. This is probably what Dennis would demand and probably where Tommy and JY would tell him to fuck off because they would never allow him to have any such power. He would either join as a temporary member getting paid what Gowan, Todd, Ricky, and Chuck are - or not at all. He has no power to get anything more than that...and it's pretty obvious that Tommy and JY do not even want Dennis as a paid employee of Styx.

Well, you've got Alpha Dog 2T for the new releases which I'm sure is a corp owned by Tommy (maybe JY too?)

All I know is that Styx, Inc is owned by 3 people. Dennis DeYoung, Charles Panozzo and James Young via a corporation they co-own called Gelderdisk LTD which I'm sure is used to split royalty shares from the DDY years and earnings from the Styx name (which I believe is how Dennis still receives a cut form their touring/merch?)

brywool wrote:Ah ok. Somewhere, I've misremembered the financial deal there. I'm not really obliged to reply, SMB. I'd rather not get into the p*ssing match that I see here that goes on and on. I barely post here these days. That being said- I'm not sure I agree with u. Listen to ANY interview since the split (Definitely the Pardo interview) and a good portion of his music. So much of it is about the past. It IRKS me that Dennis rarely speaks of August, Jimmy, etc. but ALWAY about JY and Tommy. Look- I LOVE Dennis. Always have, though I disagree with him on some things in the way he frames stuff. Really- I'm a fanboy and have been since I first saw them so many freaking years ago. I'm a diehard. I prefer Styx's music both then and now to what Dennis is producing now, but I've always supported Dennis and anybody that knows me, knows what a diehard Dennis guy I am. I buy it. I listen to it. But it doesn't grab me as a whole as much as it used to. BUT... Seriously- If I was August and I kept reading 'Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy'.... I'd seriously get a complex... There's nothing Dennis can do to change things without JY, Tommy, & Chuck's buy in, so, PERSONALLY, I wish that he'd move on from what WAS to what IS. It's just my opinion and it means nothing. I would like to hear about his stuff now. I've GOT so many of those old interviews and have heard them over the years. I want to hear about the process and his inspirations NOW. I get it- from his POV, he got the shaft. Ok... but man- after so long, to hold that. That can't be good for him. I think that the light sensitivity stuff was just kind of the final straw for these guys. I know u love him. I do too. I mean no disrespect, but seriously- as he said - get over the 'he said, they said' and just enjoy the music.

I know you’re a fan of Dennis I’ve seen you sing SMB and you do it far better than Gowan. By far and I mean that. And you are not a troublemaker simply a fan But!

“The light sensitivity stuff was kinda like the last final straw”. Are you saying becoming seriously ill was the last straw? How so? What were the other straws?
Please don't hold unto the nonsense surrounding Babe, Roboto Cotton Bowl that they created in 2000 on BTM. That was only a ruse to re litigate issues from 27 years ago that no longer existed. All that was simply an excuse to the fans as to why he needed to be replaced.

They had just completed two very successful reunion tours and were recording a new album when Dennis became ill. Instead of light sensitivity why don’t you choose the disease or accident that in your opinion would legitimately cause the tour to be delayed so Dennis could recover. A 6 months delay would have meant nothing.


The tours in 1996 and 97 were only possible because Dennis had the idea to contact Tommy to record Lady 95. I know big deal. The band and Dennis completely rearranged their plans for making their studio album with Tommy in 1997 to accommodate Tommy’s money problems. Was that the last straw? No. Not even waiting for Shaw for 13 years was. C
What did Dennis do in 98, oh right he got sick. Shame on him. The last straw

Dennis talks about the past because this is what interests the interviewers. In the Pardo interview Dennis keeps saying don’t forget about my new album. Recently Tommy and JY were publicly outed by KSHE radio about their “ don’t ask any questions about Dennis” policy that has been going on for years. The interviewers do it anyway. Their past is infinitely more important and always will be. The 13 years between Cyclorama and Mission what did Styx talk about, we’re coming to your town to play, I Am the Walrus, and Big Bang and those aren’t even their past. Oh and Dennis ruined the band.

I love Dennis’s band more than the current Styx and have said so but they didn’t have that much to do with his last two albums. Dennis’s band is essentially a greatest hits band and there is not much left to be said other than their great.
Mike Morales played the most and August sang the most according to Dennis interviews. Frontiers didn’t sign Dennis to have other people sing.

Dennis has said becoming ill not only resulted in his losing his place in Styx but also delayed the second production of Hunchback from which it never fully recovered.
Obviously it was a huge mistake that Dennis got sick, what was he thinking.

StyxGuy wrote:Well, you've got Alpha Dog 2T for the new releases which I'm sure is a corp owned by Tommy (maybe JY too?)

All I know is that Styx, Inc is owned by 3 people. Dennis DeYoung, Charles Panozzo and James Young via a corporation they co-own called Gelderdisk LTD which I'm sure is used to split royalty shares from the DDY years and earnings from the Styx name (which I believe is how Dennis still receives a cut form their touring/merch?)

Well, there you go. You can look up Gelderdisk LTD at the CA Secretary of State website. It goes back to 1975. The original filing has no mention of Styx members. It was amended in 1975 but you can not see the PDF online. In 2007, it was modified to put Dennis as President, JY as secretary, and Chuck as CFO. I'm not sure how you know it is tied to Styx, Inc...I can not find Styx Inc.

There are two possibilities, either Gelderdisk own the Styx trademark and licenses it to Alpha Dog 2T to record Styx albums...and DDY is out voted. Or, Gelderdisk is all that is left of the corporation that was licensed the Styx trademark prior to the lawsuit, and it exists only to divide up the royalties of those albums.

Alpha Dog 2T obviously currently either owns the trademark, or is licensed to use it to record and release media. Since they started with "The Mission" (not Cyclorama), this seems like a new corporate entity and I did not spend time looking up their info. I doubt anybody else has either. So, really, nobody here knows who runs that corporation, and who is an "employee" and how they are paid. You are all just guessing.,,,including DDY,

I would also say there is at least one other corporation that existed for the release of Cyclorama, BBT, the rerecords and the various live albums/dvd's. Something changed that caused them to create Alpha Dog....perhaps being signed to UMe, I don't know.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:

brywool wrote:Ah ok. Somewhere, I've misremembered the financial deal there. I'm not really obliged to reply, SMB. I'd rather not get into the p*ssing match that I see here that goes on and on. I barely post here these days. That being said- I'm not sure I agree with u. Listen to ANY interview since the split (Definitely the Pardo interview) and a good portion of his music. So much of it is about the past. It IRKS me that Dennis rarely speaks of August, Jimmy, etc. but ALWAY about JY and Tommy. Look- I LOVE Dennis. Always have, though I disagree with him on some things in the way he frames stuff. Really- I'm a fanboy and have been since I first saw them so many freaking years ago. I'm a diehard. I prefer Styx's music both then and now to what Dennis is producing now, but I've always supported Dennis and anybody that knows me, knows what a diehard Dennis guy I am. I buy it. I listen to it. But it doesn't grab me as a whole as much as it used to. BUT... Seriously- If I was August and I kept reading 'Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy'.... I'd seriously get a complex... There's nothing Dennis can do to change things without JY, Tommy, & Chuck's buy in, so, PERSONALLY, I wish that he'd move on from what WAS to what IS. It's just my opinion and it means nothing. I would like to hear about his stuff now. I've GOT so many of those old interviews and have heard them over the years. I want to hear about the process and his inspirations NOW. I get it- from his POV, he got the shaft. Ok... but man- after so long, to hold that. That can't be good for him. I think that the light sensitivity stuff was just kind of the final straw for these guys. I know u love him. I do too. I mean no disrespect, but seriously- as he said - get over the 'he said, they said' and just enjoy the music.

I know you’re a fan of Dennis I’ve seen you sing SMB and you do it far better than Gowan. By far and I mean that. And you are not a troublemaker simply a fan But!

“The light sensitivity stuff was kinda like the last final straw”. Are you saying becoming seriously ill was the last straw? How so? What were the other straws?
Please don't hold unto the nonsense surrounding Babe, Roboto Cotton Bowl that they created in 2000 on BTM. That was only a ruse to re litigate issues from 27 years ago that no longer existed. All that was simply an excuse to the fans as to why he needed to be replaced.

They had just completed two very successful reunion tours and were recording a new album when Dennis became ill. Instead of light sensitivity why don’t you choose the disease or accident that in your opinion would legitimately cause the tour to be delayed so Dennis could recover. A 6 months delay would have meant nothing.


The tours in 1996 and 97 were only possible because Dennis had the idea to contact Tommy to record Lady 95. I know big deal. The band and Dennis completely rearranged their plans for making their studio album with Tommy in 1997 to accommodate Tommy’s money problems. Was that the last straw? No. Not even waiting for Shaw for 13 years was. C
What did Dennis do in 98, oh right he got sick. Shame on him. The last straw

Dennis talks about the past because this is what interests the interviewers. In the Pardo interview Dennis keeps saying don’t forget about my new album. Recently Tommy and JY were publicly outed by KSHE radio about their “ don’t ask any questions about Dennis” policy that has been going on for years. The interviewers do it anyway. Their past is infinitely more important and always will be. The 13 years between Cyclorama and Mission what did Styx talk about, we’re coming to your town to play, I Am the Walrus, and Big Bang and those aren’t even their past. Oh and Dennis ruined the band.

I love Dennis’s band more than the current Styx and have said so but they didn’t have that much to do with his last two albums. Dennis’s band is essentially a greatest hits band and there is not much left to be said other than their great.
Mike Morales played the most and August sang the most according to Dennis interviews. Frontiers didn’t sign Dennis to have other people sing.

Dennis has said becoming ill not only resulted in his losing his place in Styx but also delayed the second production of Hunchback from which it never fully recovered.
Obviously it was a huge mistake that Dennis got sick, what was he thinking.

I read this and all I conclude is that Dennis must be the most arrogant asshole that has ever lived. EVERYTHING is everybody elses fault. EVERYTHING bad that has happened to him was caused by other people victimizing him. That he had NO control over his own life. The bad decisions were everybody elses, the good decisions were all his.

What an asshole. Seriously, why would ANYBODY want anything to do with this guy? As soon as he could claim victim, you would be at risk of being blamed for it. Every decision made you would be at risk of being blamed if it turned out bad, and given zero credit if it turned out good.

And, the worst part is that he thinks that everybody wants to hear him whine about his 40yr old story. Just ridiculous crap.

I really don't think you can describe a more toxic person.

FWIW, Alpha dog started with the rerecords. So, they have been around a while. Imo, it has to do with UMe wanting a new corporation with the rights to the trademark.

Monker wrote:

StyxGuy wrote:Well, you've got Alpha Dog 2T for the new releases which I'm sure is a corp owned by Tommy (maybe JY too?)

All I know is that Styx, Inc is owned by 3 people. Dennis DeYoung, Charles Panozzo and James Young via a corporation they co-own called Gelderdisk LTD which I'm sure is used to split royalty shares from the DDY years and earnings from the Styx name (which I believe is how Dennis still receives a cut form their touring/merch?)

Well, there you go. You can look up Gelderdisk LTD at the CA Secretary of State website. It goes back to 1975. The original filing has no mention of Styx members. It was amended in 1975 but you can not see the PDF online. In 2007, it was modified to put Dennis as President, JY as secretary, and Chuck as CFO. I'm not sure how you know it is tied to Styx, Inc...I can not find Styx Inc.

There are two possibilities, either Gelderdisk own the Styx trademark and licenses it to Alpha Dog 2T to record Styx albums...and DDY is out voted. Or, Gelderdisk is all that is left of the corporation that was licensed the Styx trademark prior to the lawsuit, and it exists only to divide up the royalties of those albums.

Alpha Dog 2T obviously currently either owns the trademark, or is licensed to use it to record and release media. Since they started with "The Mission" (not Cyclorama), this seems like a new corporate entity and I did not spend time looking up their info. I doubt anybody else has either. So, really, nobody here knows who runs that corporation, and who is an "employee" and how they are paid. You are all just guessing.,,,including DDY,

I would also say there is at least one other corporation that existed for the release of Cyclorama, BBT, the rerecords and the various live albums/dvd's. Something changed that caused them to create Alpha Dog....perhaps being signed to UMe, I don't know.

Oh sorry... clarification; Gelderdisk seems to be the parent corporation of Styx, LTD.... here are the articles of incorporation. https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/Docum ... 48-3079057

Prior to AD2T - Phonographic copyright and copyright were held by their labels (CMC International -> Sanctuary Records -> Universal/UMe)

It seems the company goes back to when they did Regeneration I/II (Which I think originally were sold at concerts, not via retail).

Alpha Dog holds the ℗ and © on the recordings, they license to Universal Music Enterprises (their record company). Smart business move by the band/artist really. There's also TMB Productions who have some copyrights which I'm not sure is owned by any members of the band but was a company they worked with.

The Return To Paradise DVD is © Paradise Pals, Inc. That one confuses me a little because it only owns the copyright (packaging and video content?) and not the audio copyright. I'm guessing a company specifically created for Chuck, Dennis, JY and maybe Tommy to split any profits from the DVD (and VHS?) release.