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Well It sure looks like the Styx game is all but over.
Drawing 3 thousand fans to a triple bill say's it all.
The setlist is what 7 songs and about 1 hr 10 min
That my friends spells the end of the Styx fiasco.
There are not many triple bills left for Shaw and the reluctant idiot,
So who knows where this will lead.

Froy,

Here is some good news for you. Styx was originally suppose to play 3 nights at the Vic in "their" home town of Chicago. They're only playing one night and can't even sell that out. The Vic holds 1800 people. They're giving away tickets, not only in Chicago but other towns too to come to the Chicago show.

I know they give tickets away for a lot of artists, that's not the point.

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Froy,

Here is some good news for you. Styx was originally suppose to play 3 nights at the Vic in "their" home town of Chicago. They're only playing one night and can't even sell that out. The Vic holds 1800 people. They're giving away tickets, not only in Chicago but other towns too to come to the Chicago show.

I know they give tickets away for a lot of artists, that's not the point.

It's funny they call it there home town when only Jimbo is from Chicago
Nobody else in this current band is from Chicago.
The Jig Is Up The News Is Out STYX of today is over.
They have burned it out to a crisp.
Thanks Larry Gowan.

Well I live here in Chicago, and it's kinda sad actually.

That being said, I would not put this on Larry Gowan's shoulders. He's just the hired hand. I may not care much for his singing, but I don't blame him for the mess this band is in now.

It took some mighty big egos and a lot of short sightedness to bring this band to this point. But hey, to each his own.

Sadie

sadie65 wrote:Well I live here in Chicago, and it's kinda sad actually.

That being said, I would not put this on Larry Gowan's shoulders. He's just the hired hand. I may not care much for his singing, but I don't blame him for the mess this band is in now.

It took some mighty big egos and a lot of short sightedness to bring this band to this point. But hey, to each his own.

Sadie

If Larry Gowan was a real Styx fan he would put his fillin spot on retirement and let the real band work things out.
His presence enables Shaw and Young to use the name Styx if he leaves Dennis returns or they break up. There won't be a replacement for goofy Gowan.

Good ole froy.

Does this meam we can say DDY is a bigger draw than Styx these days ?

It seems as though you can make a strong case for that...at least in Chicago.

Over-exposure can be a killer. Sounds like a good time for a Damn Yankees reunion tour ?

Could Froy FINALLY be right????????? Its only taken SIX years, OVER 650 shows, thousands, and thousands of traveled miles, millions of LIVE fans, a new album, West Nile, SARS,Ephedra, high carb/low carb, Kobe, Janet, the final episodes of Seinfield, Friends,Fraiser, and Sex in The City. Flat Screen, High Definition, Plasma, 6 JLo engagements. 5 NEW Super Bowl Champions. The Yankees winning THREE World Series Titles, and losing Two. Two US President(maybe three), a new US lead government.......... Both Of my children being born.

WHATS YOUR NEXT PREDICTION????????????

I think its pretty well accepted that Styx has overtoured more than a bit. If you don't think the fans on their website don't feel so, I think you are fooling yourself. While the fans of this lineup are happy to see them continually, they believe they need to do something that will expand the fan base.

In regards to the Vic, it is sold out, or at least ticketmaster has no more seats available. If they were supposed to play 3 nights, then its too bad they couldn't sell the three shows. Who knows, maybe they'll sell 2 of the three if they put a secon on sale.

I think we have to remember that there are a number of tours that aren't drawing. Its not a problem exclusive to them.

And the set is 90 minutes not 1 hr and 10 minutes. And I believe all fans of this lineup are hoping for a return to a 2 hour set.

classicstyxfan wrote:Sounds like a good time for a Damn Yankees reunion tour ?

I would love to see Damn Yankees reunite more than any other band that has ever existed.

I would love to see Damn Yankees reunite more than any other band that has ever existed.

If things keep going the way they are with Current Styx, you may get your wish --- sooner than you think.

Where will this leave The Legend, however???

Bugsy

classicstyxfan wrote:Does this meam we can say DDY is a bigger draw than Styx these days ?

Let's look at it this way. Dennis has done about 30 shows since 1999. STYX has done about 700 shows in the same time. And STYX doesn't have to pay an orchestra for each show.

I'd say they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Call it what you want. But when it comes right down to it - POP music is about one thing. MORE LOVE FOR THE MONEY!

STYX being on tour is benefiting Dennis as well. They are currently selling a few thousand CD's a week and getting their music in movies. If STYX weren't in the public eye this source of income would dry up.

Well I don't know about laughing all the wya to the bank. They have a lot of people they have to pay as well, and for a lot more shows than Dennis does. Actually I think they payroll is larger because they have a larger staff than he does.

And if the crowds are dwindling, well then, it's cutting into their ability to make money. And the gate has to be split amongst them, Frampton, and Nelson.

Not saying they aren't entertaining, or that they didn't do what they thought was in their best interest, but I really do think they've worn out their circuit. They need to come off the road for awhile.

Peace,

Sadie

Not saying they aren't entertaining, or that they didn't do what they thought was in their best interest, but I really do think they've worn out their circuit. They need to come off the road for awhile.

Well said, Sadie. There is nothing new there anymore. A layoff always builds interest in seeing them again. So far, they really have not had any layoffs, mostlly pauses. 700 shows is .....well, 700 shows.

Bugsy

sadie65 wrote:Well I don't know about laughing all the wya to the bank... And if the crowds are dwindling, well then, it's cutting into their ability to make money. And the gate has to be split amongst them, Frampton, and Nelson.

...I really do think they've worn out their circuit. They need to come off the road for awhile.

Peace,

Sadie

First, you need to understand how this works. Styx has a flat fee that they charge to perform. Same with Frampton and Nelson. They sell it as a package because sometimes the whole can be greater than the parts. STYX makes the same amount of money regardless of how many people pay to see the show. The promoter gambles that enough tickets will be sold to make a profit.

Evidently there are enough promoters out there willing to take a chance on STYX because they have been playing about 150 shows a year since the breakup.

Tommy and JY own the band. The other members are salaried. Those two are making loads of money. That was the main reason for the split. They wanted to tour and make money. Dennis didn't. They rarely played more than 40 shows a year when Dennis was in the band.

Check out Roadtrip Central. They don't show any signs of slowing down.

I didn't say they showed signs of slowing down. I said they SHOULD slow down. They are over saturating their market.

I do have a grasp of how it works. It isn't quite as you say, but I'm not trying to debate it with you.

Simply put, they are doing what they wish. The crowds coming to see them are softening. It is true the same thing is happening to other artists, but for the most part, Styx is beginning to truly wear thin. If they don't slow down, they will not have much of an audience. Whether or not they are entertaining is another matter. They haven't changed much of their set list, they haven't gotten much going in terms of radio, and even their core fans are starting to claim being tired of the show.

Even the MOST entertaining band needs to step back when this happens. Take a break, record some new material. Build a desire to be seen again.

For those going, have a great time. And I mean that.

Sadie

Styx need to create a desire to see them again. Touring every year and returning to the same market 2, 3 times a year is insane. They are an awesome live band now, but need better management.
The endless compilations (I know they have little to do with some of them) and pathetic live releases (they're guilty there) need to stop. I hope another studio album surfaces before long but not with all this touring!!!!!!

I thought they were GREAT on the Main Event tour.
They're not coming to my area anytime soon, but I'd see them again in a heartbeat!

For me personally, all the touring has been nice because I haven't had to travel as far to see the band and I've been able to pick and choose the shows that fit into my schedule as opposed to rearranging my schedule to see a single show or two.

For me personally, all the touring has been nice because I haven't had to travel as far to see the band and I've been able to pick and choose the shows that fit into my schedule as opposed to rearranging my schedule to see a single show or two.

I agree that there are two ways of looking at the large number of concert Neo-Styx has played over the last 5 years.

For many, it is a blessing, as you state here, ek88. A chance to see the group perform and not have to travel long distances.

The other argument, of course, is that the act becomes watered down.

I think both have merit.

Bugsy

I think both have merit.

No argument there, bugsy!

Styx still kick ass but the touring needs to take a breather. At least they got rid of Burtnik, that was a good move. No more Love Is The Ritual crap!!! Just another one of NJ's mistakes besides Bon Jovi and only one Roy Rogers left in the area.