Jim, Jimi and Dave

by **Journey/Survivor** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:31 am

Dear Mr. Jim Peterik.

This is a request that you please start up a new project with either Jimi Jamison or Dave Bickler, or better yet, both Jimi and Dave. Also, if possible, please see if you can get someone like Stephan Ellis, Gary Smith, Dennis Keith Johnson, Bill Synair etc, etc to join in on the project.

It's obvious that Frankie Sullivan is no longer interested in playing with the toy that he calls "Survivor."

We Survivor fans need to hear from Survivor, whether it's called Survivor or not!

by **Destiny** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:53 pm

....100 % ! Give JP the right of the name and save this sinking ship..!

by **Eyeof** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:39 pm

I second this motion!

by **Abitaman** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:49 am

Eyeof wrote:I second this motion!

third

by **Eyeof** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:58 am

what would be great about this, is that it would really put FS in his place....the fact that, honestly, he's just not needed...

by **DavidWT** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:33 am

Sounds good to me.

Line-up--

Vocals: Dave Bickler & Jimi Jamison (depending on the song, one would take lead, the other would do back-up)

JP: Keyboards and back-up vocals

Stephen Ellis: Bass

Marc Droubay: drum (yeah, I know he's currently with Frankie's Survivor, but I doubt it would be that hard to lure him away from a non-productive band to a band that's actually active.)

Guitar: Not sure, but there are plenty of good guitarists out there who actually WANT to tour and write.

Call the band whatever you want, but preferably not something that would allow Frankie to take up all your time with lawsuits.

by **Joe Vana** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:07 am

Eyeof wrote:what would be great about this, is that it would really put FS in his place....the fact that, honestly, he's just not needed...

The most assinine comment I have EVER heard on this board......really....you guys can say what you want, but really.....I am waving NOBODIES flag these days, for my own reasons....but for anyone to say FS was not needed is rediculous....he was equally the most integral piece to the puzzle...I witnessed first hand how they worked, and I know how it all went down....but JP AND FS were the engine of the "old" Survivor....anything short of that is just not true guys...and gals....

Seriously???

JV

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:21 am

Joe Vana wrote:
Eyeof wrote:what would be great about this, is that it would really put FS in his place....the fact that, honestly, he's just not needed...

The most assinine comment I have EVER heard on this board......really....you guys can say what you want, but really.....I am waving NOBODIES flag these days, for my own reasons....but for anyone to say FS was not needed is rediculous....he was equally the most integral piece to the puzzle...I witnessed first hand how they worked, and I know how it all went down....but JP AND FS were the engine of the "old" Survivor....anything short of that is just not true guys...and gals....

Seriously???

JV

Joe,

I know you weren't speaking to me in that post, but here are a few of my thoughts about it.

I have always made it perfectly clear that I HIGHLY respect Sullivan's talent as a musician! There's no question about it that any Survivor/related album is going to be much better if Frankie is on it. Frankie's a fantastic guitarist, co-writer, background vocalist and producer. He definitely gave Peterik's songs a lot more balls back in the late 70's and the 80's, which was much needed.

I probably love to listen to Frankie play the guitar more than to listen to any other member of Survivor do what they do. Which is saying a hell of a lot when you have Jimi Jamison and Dave Bickler on lead vocals and a killer drummer like Marc Droubay.

Like I said, any Survivor/related album is always going to be much better off having Frankie Sullivan on it. Crossroads Moment would have been even better yet if it had had Sullivan and Droubay on it. Just the same as Reach would have been better if Peterik had been on it.

But something that I feel, and I believe that Eyeof and many of the others on this board feel, is that a Survivor/related album/tour (Yes, I know that they can't use the Survivor name without Sullivan) with Peterik, Bickler, Jamison and a couple of other guys, without Sullivan, would be a hell of a lot better than the virtually dead (No pun intended) Survivor that Sullivan is running into the ground.

Part of the reason that I don't knock Robin Mcauley as much as some of the other members on this board is that I figure a Survivor with him on lead vocals is better than no Survivor at all. But truth be told, even with Robin, the band barely exists anymore.

As much as I love Sullivan's talent, and again, I did say that I love listening to him more than any other member of Survivor. I would probably rather have a Survivor with Peterik, Jamison, Bickler and possibly Stephan Ellis, Dennis Keith Johnson, Gary Smith etc, than the barely existent Survivor that Sullivan has. A "Survivor" that is largely only "Survivor" by name anymore.

So as much as I'd prefer to have Sullivan in the same band as Peterik, Jamison and Bickler, at this point I don't feel that Sullivan is needed in Survivor or a Survivor like project.

by **Abitaman** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:23 am

Joe Vana wrote:
Eyeof wrote:what would be great about this, is that it would really put FS in his place....the fact that, honestly, he's just not needed...

The most assinine comment I have EVER heard on this board......really....you guys can say what you want, but really.....I am waving NOBODIES flag these days, for my own reasons....but for anyone to say FS was not needed is rediculous....he was equally the most integral piece to the puzzle...I witnessed first hand how they worked, and I know how it all went down....but JP AND FS were the engine of the "old" Survivor....anything short of that is just not true guys...and gals....

Seriously???

JV

I agree with your part on the past, that FS is a good part of the hits of Survivor. But why I agreed wth the first comment, is Frankie idoin nothing, NOTHING! He is noteven trying to make music, keep the Survivor nme in good shape. Heck he can't even keep the website up.
I think one of the other Survivor people cold come in and by pass Frankie, and make good music.
Frankie reminds me of a drugie who still thinks he is all that, and his word should move the world. He sould come back to reality, and know there is not much time left.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:36 am

DavidWT wrote:Sounds good to me.

Line-up--

Vocals: Dave Bickler & Jimi Jamison (depending on the song, one would take lead, the other would do back-up)

JP: Keyboards and back-up vocals

Stephen Ellis: Bass

Marc Droubay: drum (yeah, I know he's currently with Frankie's Survivor, but I doubt it would be that hard to lure him away from a non-productive band to a band that's actually active.)

Guitar: Not sure, but there are plenty of good guitarists out there who actually WANT to tour and write.

Call the band whatever you want, but preferably not something that would allow Frankie to take up all your time with lawsuits.

Peterik could probably handle the guitar playing? He's actually an excellent guitarist, with a lot of similarities in style to Sullivan. Peterik could probably play both the keyboards and guitar on an album, and then if they were to play some live shows, Dave Bickler might be able to handle some of the keyboard playing live? Bickler was the keyboardist on the first album, in addition of course to his lead vocals.

My first choice would of course be to have Marc Droubay on drums! But he is pretty loyal to Sullivan, so I don't know if he'd do it? But it would have to be tempting to join a band that actually works and makes money.

If Droubay wouldn't join a Peterik lead band, then maybe Survivor's original drummer Gary Smith might be an option?

If not Stephan Ellis on bass, then maybe Survivor's original bass player Dennis Keith Johnson, or later bass player Bill Synair.

And of course there are a couple of the Pride Of Lions guys.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:37 am

Abitaman wrote:
Joe Vana wrote:
Eyeof wrote:what would be great about this, is that it would really put FS in his place....the fact that, honestly, he's just not needed...

The most assinine comment I have EVER heard on this board......really....you guys can say what you want, but really.....I am waving NOBODIES flag these days, for my own reasons....but for anyone to say FS was not needed is rediculous....he was equally the most integral piece to the puzzle...I witnessed first hand how they worked, and I know how it all went down....but JP AND FS were the engine of the "old" Survivor....anything short of that is just not true guys...and gals....

Seriously???

JV

I agree with your part on the past, that FS is a good part of the hits of Survivor. But why I agreed wth the first comment, is Frankie idoin nothing, NOTHING! He is noteven trying to make music, keep the Survivor nme in good shape. Heck he can't even keep the website up.
I think one of the other Survivor people cold come in and by pass Frankie, and make good music.
Frankie reminds me of a drugie who still thinks he is all that, and his word should move the world. He sould come back to reality, and know there is not much time left.

Exactly! Well said!!!

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:40 am

COME ON, JIM. MAKE IT HAPPEN :!:

You've always struck me as someone who cares about the fans. Unlike you know who.

by **Joe Vana** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:33 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:
DavidWT wrote:Sounds good to me.

Line-up--

Vocals: Dave Bickler & Jimi Jamison (depending on the song, one would take lead, the other would do back-up)

JP: Keyboards and back-up vocals

Stephen Ellis: Bass

Marc Droubay: drum (yeah, I know he's currently with Frankie's Survivor, but I doubt it would be that hard to lure him away from a non-productive band to a band that's actually active.)

Guitar: Not sure, but there are plenty of good guitarists out there who actually WANT to tour and write.

Call the band whatever you want, but preferably not something that would allow Frankie to take up all your time with lawsuits.

Peterik could probably handle the guitar playing? He's actually an excellent guitarist, with a lot of similarities in style to Sullivan. Peterik could probably play both the keyboards and guitar on an album, and then if they were to play some live shows, Dave Bickler might be able to handle some of the keyboard playing live? Bickler was the keyboardist on the first album, in addition of course to his lead vocals.

My first choice would of course be to have Marc Droubay on drums! But he is pretty loyal to Sullivan, so I don't know if he'd do it? But it would have to be tempting to join a band that actually works and makes money.

If Droubay wouldn't join a Peterik lead band, then maybe Survivor's original drummer Gary Smith might be an option?

If not Stephan Ellis on bass, then maybe Survivor's original bass player Dennis Keith Johnson, or later bass player Bill Synair.

And of course there are a couple of the Pride Of Lions guys.

I have been 2 feet away working with both guys MANY MANY times...writing, playing ect....JP is NOT 1/10th the player FS is...FACT....And JP is a really good player, but FS is a monster...POL is almost 90% Mike A....World Stage is too....and as far as Survivor, past the first album where JP played some, after that it was all FS....and the keys were session guys ALOT more than you think....I really respect JP....but when people throw around facts they don"t know it pisses me off....sorry...

JP is very careful NEVER to lie or stretch the truth....he does not talk about what he played on the back catalogue....and people manufacture folk lore for him, he does not!! I have always respected that about him....and FS does not go out there and slag JP eiether.....so lets not do what they will not do.....

They were both talented in their own right...and a great team...but even if JP was in Survivor it would not matter at this point...in 96 they were playing fests....it is now 15 years later.....do the math....

And...we are all 15 years older...ouch, that hurts me!! hahahaha....I wish I was still 30 hahahaha....

I am NOT trying to offend anybody, but lets be objective with our comments....I know this all opinion on this thing......but add a little facts...please...

Nobody died and made me king....but I am just asking that people think a bit before they type...

by **Saint John** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:49 pm

Joe Vana wrote:in 96 they were playing fests....it is now 15 years later.....do the math...

You get a lineup featuring Bickler and Jamison on vocals, and one that includes Sullivan and the name Survivor, and you'd have people lined up to do to Eye Of The Tiger for Survivor what Don't Stop Believin' did for Journey in recent years. And with that wave, they wouldn't be playing fests. :wink:

At this point, I feel like Frankie is playing "keep away" more so than he is seriously making music and/or caring about the fans. And that's more of a shame then a few misguided facts and folk lore. :wink:

by **Tito** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:24 pm

15 years later they are still playing fests...but not as many. They play the Wood dale, IL fest in August. I may have to try and check that out. I think that is their only local show. I'll give them this, I could be wrong, but I think they play more out of state (Illinois) fests than they did in the 90s. In the 90's it seemed like they played at least 10 Chicago area fest, minimum, a summer. Now, maybe 1 or 2 but a least a dozen or so out of state shows.

Also, I remember when I bought THTS, looking at the linear notes, I asked myself does Peterik even play on this record. He's hardly on it.

by **Tito** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:34 pm

I forgot. FInally, lets not have a revisionist history folks. I like the band as much as anyone, but they weren't exactly selling out Madison Square Garden in their heyday. Even, if they did a full scale reunion, it would be a nice reunion in the Chicago area only. They would not be headlining any arena tours. If they did a one off show in Chicago, they MAY be able to sellout a 1,500 seater. That's it. If they joined U.S. package tour, they would be in the opening slot playing 30-45 minutes. Not bad and actually could be really good but that's as high as it will get. I suppose they could hit the fests and pull off a nice little tour with that, but they could do that now if they want. It was a faceless band. They don't need Peterik, Bichler, or Jamo to do that. Peterik should've been dressing back then like he does now, it may have helped.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:06 pm

Joe Vana wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
DavidWT wrote:Sounds good to me.

Line-up--

Vocals: Dave Bickler & Jimi Jamison (depending on the song, one would take lead, the other would do back-up)

JP: Keyboards and back-up vocals

Stephen Ellis: Bass

Marc Droubay: drum (yeah, I know he's currently with Frankie's Survivor, but I doubt it would be that hard to lure him away from a non-productive band to a band that's actually active.)

Guitar: Not sure, but there are plenty of good guitarists out there who actually WANT to tour and write.

Call the band whatever you want, but preferably not something that would allow Frankie to take up all your time with lawsuits.

Peterik could probably handle the guitar playing? He's actually an excellent guitarist, with a lot of similarities in style to Sullivan. Peterik could probably play both the keyboards and guitar on an album, and then if they were to play some live shows, Dave Bickler might be able to handle some of the keyboard playing live? Bickler was the keyboardist on the first album, in addition of course to his lead vocals.

My first choice would of course be to have Marc Droubay on drums! But he is pretty loyal to Sullivan, so I don't know if he'd do it? But it would have to be tempting to join a band that actually works and makes money.

If Droubay wouldn't join a Peterik lead band, then maybe Survivor's original drummer Gary Smith might be an option?

If not Stephan Ellis on bass, then maybe Survivor's original bass player Dennis Keith Johnson, or later bass player Bill Synair.

And of course there are a couple of the Pride Of Lions guys.

I have been 2 feet away working with both guys MANY MANY times...writing, playing ect....JP is NOT 1/10th the player FS is...FACT....And JP is a really good player, but FS is a monster...POL is almost 90% Mike A....World Stage is too....and as far as Survivor, past the first album where JP played some, after that it was all FS....and the keys were session guys ALOT more than you think....I really respect JP....but when people throw around facts they don"t know it pisses me off....sorry...

JP is very careful NEVER to lie or stretch the truth....he does not talk about what he played on the back catalogue....and people manufacture folk lore for him, he does not!! I have always respected that about him....and FS does not go out there and slag JP eiether.....so lets not do what they will not do.....

They were both talented in their own right...and a great team...but even if JP was in Survivor it would not matter at this point...in 96 they were playing fests....it is now 15 years later.....do the math....

And...we are all 15 years older...ouch, that hurts me!! hahahaha....I wish I was still 30 hahahaha....

I am NOT trying to offend anybody, but lets be objective with our comments....I know this all opinion on this thing......but add a little facts...please...

Nobody died and made me king....but I am just asking that people think a bit before they type...

Joe.

I've been saying for 25 plus years that Frankie Sullivan is my second favorite guitarist behind only Neal Schon. And that even then, I prefer Sullivan's riff and rhythm playing over Schon's. I've been laughed at for 25 plus years for ever naming Frankie Sullivan in the same breath as other great guitarists, only for me to turn around and tell the people that are laughing that their wrong, and then I tell them why he's great.

I agree that Sullivan is a better guitarist than Peterik. I know that Sullivan has played the overwhelming majority of the guitar in Survivor. Five years ago on back I would not have considered Peterik to be even close to being in Sullivan's league as a guitarist. But over the past 5 years I've gotten to see/hear Peterik on guitar playing 2 feet in front of me. And I believe that Jeremy Holiday told me that Peterik played the biggest majority of the guitar on the Crossroads Moment CD? I hope that I am remembering that correctly, Jeremy! Please correct me if I'm wrong?

Yes, I still say that Sullivan is the better guitarist of the 2 of them. But Peterik has impressed the hell out of me on guitar in recent years.

Plus, no one is saying that Jim Peterik would have to play guitar at the same level as Neal Schon, Steve Lukather or Frankie Sullivan for it to still be good. And no one is saying that Peterik would have to play keyboards at the same level as Jonathan Cain, Keith Emerson or David Paich for it to be good.

If Peterik were to put together a Survivor-type project he could probably find another guitarist/keyboardist to play with, with them sharing the guitar and keyboard duties. Night Ranger have a guy like that in their band right now.

I once read where Frankie Sullivan said that he saw the Ides Of March play back in the early 70's, and that he thought at the time that Peterik was one of the best guitarists he had ever heard. I do realize that part of that could be simply him complementing a fellow band member. But I think he probably at least meant it a little bit?

As far as Sullivan not "slagging" Peterik publicly. Sullivan does make some grand statements about Peterik (Even though he doesn't say Peterik's name) thinking he's Sting and not having seen the value in Survivor. And those statements PISS ME OFF because it is Frankie that acts as if he doesn't see the value in Survivor. He treats Survivor like a freaking part time hobby.

Another statement that I just read a few weeks back that pisses me off is this....

One of the members of this forum posted a link for a recent interview with Frankie where Frankie told the person interviewing him that Survivor are working on a new album, but that it keeps getting delayed because of how much their playing live. Give me a fucking break, Frankie! You don't play out live more than a part-time bar band does. In fact, I know part-time bar bands that do way more live shows in a year than Survivor do, and the members of all of those bands have full-time jobs and families that their raising. Claiming that Survivor don't have a new album out because of "how much they play out" is just another flat out fucking lie.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:17 pm

Tito wrote:I forgot. FInally, lets not have a revisionist history folks. I like the band as much as anyone, but they weren't exactly selling out Madison Square Garden in their heyday. Even, if they did a full scale reunion, it would be a nice reunion in the Chicago area only. They would not be headlining any arena tours.

I don't think there's one of us on this board that think that Survivor will ever be headlining large venues in the future. I, and the other members of this board don't want a true Survivor reunion with thoughts that Survivor will ever be a big-name band once again and headline large venues. We just want somewhat of a return of the band who's music we love.

Even though I have no illusions of Survivor ever returning to the success that they had in the 80's...

I will say that if Peterik and either Jamison or Bickler were to rejoin Frankie and Marc in Survivor, that they would have a much easier time getting booked as an opener for bands like Journey, Foreigner and Styx, and maybe even co-headline with bands like Loverboy, Night Ranger and 38 Special.

by **Destiny** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:51 pm

..in fact! Don´t care about the past. With Frankie S. as bandleader this group is a blind alley. I I think you can feel that Survivor isn´t much more than a cue ball of his vagary. We will never have the old Survivor back on stage. As a huge fan ..you can only hope that there will be a big change in the nearly future or you put your money and energy in Jamo´s concerts and Jim Peteriks stuff.

by **Abitaman** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:00 pm

Joe Vana wrote:They were both talented in their own right...and a great team...but even if JP was in Survivor it would not matter at this point...in 96 they were playing fests....it is now 15 years later.....do the math....

And...we are all 15 years older...ouch, that hurts me!! hahahaha....I wish I was still 30 hahahaha....

...

How big a crowd they play now with FS on JP would really matter who was in the band. What would matter that they are making new music, and playing live shows.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:36 am

Anyone know who the guy is in the middle of the second photo?

Click on the photos for larger versions.

by **Tito** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:27 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:

Anyone know who the guy is in the middle of the second photo?

Click on the photos for larger versions.

Looks like Stephen Pearcy of Ratt.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:35 pm

I'm stealing this from our very own Red13JoPa.

This is a quote of Neal Schon talking about touring with Journey post-Steve Perry.....

"Let's reform this thing. Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it."

by **Eyeof** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:32 pm

JV, I respect your insight, but I won't back down from that statement....In a perfect world, I'd obviously prefer FS in Surivor, but for the fans to enjoy the music and for good albums to be made, I'm sorry, but he's not essential. No more than Dave Bickler or JP or JJ for that matter...

Empires is as good as Reach and so is Cross Road Moments and both were made without the help of FS...right?

I'll take it one step further...If this band were to ever do ANYTHING else...It would most likey be essential that FS NOT BE A PART of it....until he gets OUT OF THE WAY...it's a dead issue...

by **Andrew** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:17 pm

Tito wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:

Anyone know who the guy is in the middle of the second photo?

Click on the photos for larger versions.

Looks like Stephen Pearcy of Ratt.

Yep.

by **Joe Vana** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:46 pm

Eyeof wrote:JV, I respect your insight, but I won't back down from that statement....In a perfect world, I'd obviously prefer FS in Surivor, but for the fans to enjoy the music and for good albums to be made, I'm sorry, but he's not essential. No more than Dave Bickler or JP or JJ for that matter...

Empires is as good as Reach and so is Cross Road Moments and both were made without the help of FS...right?

I'll take it one step further...If this band were to ever do ANYTHING else...It would most likey be essential that FS NOT BE A PART of it....until he gets OUT OF THE WAY...it's a dead issue...

I can respect your opinion.....BUT, IF he got out of the way in the past you would have NEVER loved the Survivor albums you did love!!!!

I am NOT looking for a war here...there are better things to war about hahahahah...

Have a good one!
JV

by **DavidWT** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:09 pm

Eyeof wrote:Empires is as good as Reach and so is Cross Road Moments and both were made without the help of FS...right?

Actually, to me, Crossroads Moment has more tracks that sound like Survivor than Reach does (I'm talking about the JJ era of Survivor, of course. CM does not at all capture the sound of the DB era.)

by **Mikele** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:27 pm

Hi , I'm a new member here at MR, and wanted to start by posting on the Survivor board, since it's clearly the most underrated band among all at this message board.

To me, and is my personal opinion, there's no Survivor without Sullivan and Droubay...I can get over a change of singer any time, but Marc is so primary for the band sound (he's also a very underrated drummer, but one of the best in rock IMO) and every time I hear THTS I realize something's missing in the groove and in the feeling. Sullivan is the trademark of Survivor: hear Live in Japan 1985, it's his guitar speaking.
Crossroad Moments had its moments, as to speak, but I can't really feel how it is recapturing the Survivor sound guys. I think it's a deja-vu from Jimi's voice. A good record, but the guitar sound and feeling is gone.

by **DavidWT** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:20 am

Mikele wrote:Crossroad Moments had its moments, as to speak, but I can't really feel how it is recapturing the Survivor sound guys. I think it's a deja-vu from Jimi's voice. A good record, but the guitar sound and feeling is gone.

Well, like I said, it captures the Jamison era of Survivor, not the Bickler era. Obviously part of that is due to JJ's voice, but also because the JJ era of Survivor was more keyboard based, and Frankie wasn't quite as "up front" as he was in the earlier days, so his absense on CM isn't QUITE as noticeable. Peterik's song writing has a distinct quality that is very apparent on Vital Signs, When Seconds Count and Crossroads Moment. I do think Frankie's input would have made CM an even better album, though, since he probably would have added some great guitar solos and also would have reeled in JP's overly theatrical stylings.

As for FS and Marc being more essential to the Survivor sound.... I don't know about that. Look at "Reach." Do songs like "Home," "I Don't", "Nevertheless", "One More Chance," etc, really capture any of the Survivor sound for you? They don't for me.

I think for me, the bottom line is that Survivor is the combination of FS and JP. When you take either one out of the equation, it's not really Survivor. But I felt JP's effort on CM came closer.

by **Mikele** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:18 am

DavidWT wrote:As for FS and Marc being more essential to the Survivor sound.... I don't know about that. Look at "Reach." Do songs like "Home," "I Don't", "Nevertheless", "One More Chance," etc, really capture any of the Survivor sound for you? They don't for me.

I think for me, the bottom line is that Survivor is the combination of FS and JP. When you take either one out of the equation, it's not really Survivor. But I felt JP's effort on CM came closer.

You know, in the case of Reach I tend to think of it as a spoiled occasion. The fact that Frankie sang on some of it makes me feel like it wasn't really a fun summer camp during the production process...however the album is good, prolly to polished for my taste

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