Augeri......Right choice? Wrong choice?-Debate.

[yak]

Yak or NC,(whatever your name is). You would like the fans here to THINK you have some kind of inside knowledge about this gag order,and about Perry's health situation, but really your just a "poor misguided fan" that just spouts off anything with NO proof to back it up!

I believe Perry!!!
Lori

OOOOOKKKKKKKK............



Tell us something we DON'T know!



I AM NOT NC...AND NC IS NOT ME! Have you nothing better to do?

You can't accept that there are more Journey fans than there are Perry fans or what?

[The_Noble_Cause]

All that is known, is that the current members had to sign gag orders barring them from talking about certain Perry-related subjects. Both Neal, Jon, and Ross have mentioned the gag order on separate occasions. Herbie Herbert claims that besides the gag orders, the guys really "gave away the farm" when they signed that contract.

Yak or NC,(whatever your name is). You would like the fans here to THINK you have some kind of inside knowledge about this gag order,and about Perry's health situation, but really your just a "poor misguided fan" that just spouts off anything with NO proof to back it up!


I believe Perry!!!


Lori

As I stated before, Neal, Jon and Ross have all mentioned the gag order on separate occasions. I even went so far as to post actual quotes from Jon and Neal in this very thread where they all specifically talk about it. I don't have to make anyone "think" anything about a "gag order". Nobody has to take my word on blind faith. Look at what Neal, Herbie and Jon said. See for yourself. Make up your own mind.

Why on earth would you say that I have "No Proof" when I went out of my way to provide you with three specific quotes where band members all mention the gag order?

Once again (as Jrnyman 28 has often mentioned, as well) you prove that you don't even read the posts that you respond to. Stop wasting everyones time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

your just a "poor misguided fan" that just spouts off anything with NO proof to back it up!

But, wait, I DID give you proof that a "gag order" exists. You conveniently glossed over it. Now for your reading (dis) pleasure I will provide it once again for everyone to see. Read 'em and weep........



In order for Journey to continue, Neal and the guys had to reach an agreement with Steve Perry so he would sign away to let the guys go play without him.
The niceties of this agreement and the extent of the stipulations contained within are not fully known. All that is known, is that the current members had to sign gag orders barring them from talking about certain Perry-related subjects. Both Neal, Jon, and Ross have mentioned the gag order on separate occasions. Herbie Herbert (Journey creator and ex-long time manager) claims that besides the gag orders, the guys really "gave away the farm" when they signed that contract.


Here are some quotes where they mention the gag order:
The first one is Jon stopping himself mid-interview while on the topic of Perry and his decision to fire Ross and Smith...


Jon: That really, you know to this day, just stunk up the joint. I tell you what. And then, you know, not that he...(stops himself) we can't go there, but...


Here's another one.
Here, Schon reaffirms that Perry made him and the boys sign gag orders.


Schon: "We made a decent record," explains Schon, who now lives in San Rafael. "But then nothing happened from there. And I sort of felt that that's what it was gonna be."

Q: Meaning you never really expected a tour?

Schon:"Yeah." (pause) "And I can't really get into why. I've got like ... you know, everybody signed papers years ago with [Perry]. Like, gag orders."

Q:Gag orders meaning -- meaning that you can't talk about ...?

Schon:"About each other ... yeah," Schon says, laughing. "Silly shit, I know."

There is also plenty of info. to be found in the controversial & infamous Herbie Herbert interview. He reveals many shocking tid-bits not only about Perry, but about Ross and Jon, as well.
However, it's entirely up to you whether or not you choose to accept what he says as gospel truth. Many claim Herbie is just bitter about being fired by Perry. I disagree though, Herbie is a straight shooter on all topics. He doesn't just rag on Perry.
He claims Augeri is "callenged in the talent department" and also recently stated in a SFWeekly interview that the current lineup has about as much chance at success with their new album as someone does with their dick growing a foot. Either way, it's worth a look. http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yak or NC,(whatever your name is). You would like the fans here to THINK you have some kind of inside knowledge about this gag order,and about Perry's health situation, but really your just a "poor misguided fan" that just spouts off anything with NO proof to back it up!

I believe Perry!!!
Lori

I AM NOT NC...AND NC IS NOT ME! Have you nothing better to do?

You can't accept that there are more Journey fans than there are Perry fans or what?

Don't waste your time.
They are up to their same old tricks.
They want to push you until you push back and then they will spin it so that you are the "instigater" and will bombard Andrew's mailbox with complaints until he has no choice but to shut down the forum.

[PROPERRY]

Yak or NC,(whatever your name is). You would like the fans here to THINK you have some kind of inside knowledge about this gag order,and about Perry's health situation, but really your just a "poor misguided fan" that just spouts off anything with NO proof to back it up!

I believe Perry!!!
Lori

OOOOOKKKKKKKK............



Tell us something we DON'T know!










I AM NOT NC...AND NC IS NOT ME! Have you nothing better to do?

You can't accept that there are more Journey fans than there are Perry fans or what?

I NEVER said there was NO gag order, I did say, "IF there was a gag order"

Furthermore neither You(yak) OR NC KNOW what was stated in the gag order because Neal said he couldn't talk about it!!!

So Yak, you saying this, "You mean keeping their mouths shut about the information like a hip problem that never was???? !"

Therefore YOU don't have "ANY information" about what was written in the gag order, (IF there is one). I just don't accept everything Neal Or Herbie says as the truth, I question them???

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

I just don't accept everything Neal Or Herbie says as the truth, I question them???
Lori

Yup. It's one big vast conspiracy.
Neal, Jon, Ross and Herbie have pooled their efforts together in an attempt to make Steve Perry feel like not a part of a band that he chose to no longer be a part of.

As they say, denial is bliss.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Furthermore neither You(yak) OR NC KNOW what was stated in the gag order because Neal said he couldn't talk about it!!!

I never said I knew what was in the gag order.

Either you don't actually read the posts of the people you respond to or you are simply putting words in my mouth. I stated repeatedly, that the niceties of the agreement and the extent of the stipulations contained within it are not fully known. All that is known, is that the current members had to sign gag orders barring them from talking about certain Perry-related subjects. And the only reason we know that much is because of what Neal, Jon, Ross, and mainly Herbie have said about it.

Furthermore, in regards to Herbie's comments I even went out of my way to offer a caveat on the authenticity of his remarks. Telling everyon to take them with a grain of salt. Claiming, "it's entirely up to you whether or not you choose to accept what he says as gospel truth. Many claim Herbie is just bitter about being fired by Perry. I disagree though, Herbie is a straight shooter on all topics. He doesn't just rag on Perry."

Nowhere did I ever say I knew the "nitty gritty" or had the "insider info" on the contract.
Could you please actually try reading the posts before you respond to them?
Thanks.

[PROPERRY]

Furthermore neither You(yak) OR NC KNOW what was stated in the gag order because Neal said he couldn't talk about it!!!

I never said I knew what was in the gag order.

Either you don't actually read the posts of the people you respond to or you are simply putting words in my mouth. I stated repeatedly, that the niceties of the agreement and the extent of the stipulations contained within it are not fully known. All that is known, is that the current members had to sign gag orders barring them from talking about certain Perry-related subjects. And the only reason we know that much is because of what Neal, Jon, Ross, and mainly Herbie have said about it.

Furthermore, in regards to Herbie's comments I even went out of my way to offer a caveat on the authenticity of his remarks. Telling everyon to take them with a grain of salt. Claiming, "it's entirely up to you whether or not you choose to accept what he says as gospel truth. Many claim Herbie is just bitter about being fired by Perry. I disagree though, Herbie is a straight shooter on all topics. He doesn't just rag on Perry."

Nowhere did I ever say I knew the "nitty gritty" or had the "insider info" on the contract.
Could you please actually try reading the posts before you respond to them?
Thanks.

NC,

Since YOU & YAK usually jump in on responding to my post close together, I just addressed you both in the SAME post, that's all!

However I did make it clear in my post that YAK was implying that HE KNEW what was written in the gag order by saying,"You mean by keeping there mouth shut about a hip problem that never was", and I just set him straight that he didn't know ANY information about what was actually written in the gag order.

In Yak's so called proof that HE provided to ME, Neal stated, "He could NOT talk about it!" SO if, Neal could not talk about the gag order, then NONE of us fans have the facts about any information that was written in a gag order!


As far as your post NC about the article that Herbie wrote( I read it long ago). I strongly agree with what other fans that have stated that Herbie is just bitter & angry because the band fired him!

I believe his whole interview was all about retaliating against ALL the band members for letting him go, & MAYBE even Herbie thought that would be a good way & time to draw some public attention to himself.

Also I don't believe that just because "Herbie didn't rag on Perry only", that does NOT make Herbie's interview the truth. That just means to me, that Herbie HELD EVERYONE in the band accountable for them letting him go, not just Perry! That is my opinion!


Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Also I don't believe that just because "Herbie didn't rag on Perry only", that does NOT make Herbie's interview the truth. That just means to me, that Herbie HELD EVERYONE in the band accountable for them letting him go, not just Perry! That is my opinion!

You could very well be right, but then, why would he criticize Ross, and Augeri in the interview? Those guys weren't responsible for letting him go.

[PROPERRY]

Also I don't believe that just because "Herbie didn't rag on Perry only", that does NOT make Herbie's interview the truth. That just means to me, that Herbie HELD EVERYONE in the band accountable for them letting him go, not just Perry! That is my opinion!

You could very well be right, but then, why would he criticize Ross, and Augeri in the interview? Those guys weren't responsible for letting him go.

While I believe Augeri was NOT responsible in any way for Herbie being fired, I think Herbie was just SO ANGRY at the band that he just didn't care & was going to "take it out" on everyone!!!

Ross was a part of the band, so he got it from Herbie too.

Lori

[yak]

However I did make it clear in my post that YAK was implying that HE KNEW what was written in the gag order by saying,"You mean by keeping there mouth shut about a hip problem that never was", and I just set him straight that he didn't know ANY information about what was actually written in the gag order. Lori

Good Grief woman, you drain my brain with your convoluted theories. I based my QUESTION on the the fact that many people have alluded to the fact that there was no hip problem. Since turnabout is fair play, and IF there was a hip problem, it would be contained in medical records that are NOT for public consumption. Therefore, you CAN'T prove there WAS a hip problem (unless you and your cronies know how to access confidential medical records) anymore than I can prove there WASN'T. Only there IS some information out there alluding to the fact that, perhaps, there wasn't a hip problem.

If there WASN'T a hip problem this would be a GREAT idea to gag up people so they couldn't tell the world that there was NO hip problem, thus exposing Perry and his big lie, so to speak. SEE????????

Got it N_C. Thanks.

[Pelata]

A blast from the past...

[NealIsGod]

A blast from the past...

Some classic TNC and Linus material in this thread. Hope JoePa reads it.

[livin2do]

Noble cause-

Look, I think its pretty much of a sure thing, that NOT ONE person wanted Steve freaking Perry to go...And if you say you did, you are lying. He is one of the best singers in the world and let's let that be.

I wanted him gone. I was saying that online as far back as 1993 or so Steve Perry yanked Journey around enough during ROR...Why give him the opportunity to yank them around again? Besides, he's happier solo. "Let Journey be Journey and let Perry be solo." is what I was saying.

Perry had his second chance and he blew it....Journey should have never let him come back.

I would still love to see the Chalfant/Rolie/Smith/Cain/Schon/Valory incarnation that was talked about back in '94. I think ultimately that lineup would've been ideal if they were moving on without Perry.

[BobbyinTN]

I'll go first...

"Wrong" choice.
Kevin Chalfant was def. the obvious way to go.
Stronger singer, better range.
With that being said, I still enjoy the concerts, I think Augeri's a great frontman and I enjoy the new tunes.
However, he wouldn't have been my first pick.


Your turn.

I thought Augeri was absolutely fine as lead singer for Journey.
There are some moments on Arrival that made me feel the way I did in the 80's when I first heard Journey. If a singer can do that, they're fine in my book.

[stevew2]

I'll go first...

"Wrong" choice.
Kevin Chalfant was def. the obvious way to go.
Stronger singer, better range.
With that being said, I still enjoy the concerts, I think Augeri's a great frontman and I enjoy the new tunes.
However, he wouldn't have been my first pick.


Your turn.

I thought Augeri was absolutely fine as lead singer for Journey.
There are some moments on Arrival that made me feel the way I did in the 80's when I first heard Journey. If a singer can do that, they're fine in my book.

I still feel the same, just a reminder this is and old old thread

[strangegrey]

I'll go first...

"Wrong" choice.
Kevin Chalfant was def. the obvious way to go.
Stronger singer, better range.
With that being said, I still enjoy the concerts, I think Augeri's a great frontman and I enjoy the new tunes.
However, he wouldn't have been my first pick.


Your turn.

Who the hell cares. We're talking about a guy no longer with the the band, twice removed. To the people that can actually impart change within the band...namely Fucka, Fro, Assoff and Cocksolo, they've determined he wasn't the right choice after all.

Chalfant had his shot, before TBF, it was scuttled and he was reconsidered a few times after TBF. All times, he was determined to not have what the band wanted out of him.


I know this is all a 'for the sake of' thread....but really, it's a waste of emotional energy. Let it sink into the past...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know this is all a 'for the sake of' thread....but really, it's a waste of emotional energy. Let it sink into the past...

Clearly you are oblivious to the irony that it is only through continued replies like yours that this age-old subject continues to rears itself.
As others have mentioned repeatedly, this thread is ancient.

[yulog]

8 years of journey being there for the fans, 2 and 1/2 cds with some great songs, a very humble frontman, summer after summer of great outdoor shows for a very modest cost(including great seats where you could actually SEE the band), a free cd given at concerts 1 summer, meeting lots of new people with common interests. I would have to say it was priceless. Yes Steve Augeri was the right guy!