Now it can be told!

[Blondie]

. Sabrina and I celebrated with lunch at Abuelo's. ...

we have an Abuelos in lubbock.. great food ,, AND a good first date place.. get her a Swirle.. whole bunch of liquor frozen.. ....chicks dig that for you youngsters... hahha.. oh well..

my buddy does all the band bookings for the local place.. well .. he has had to fire us before .. so we dont play Abuelos... .. but ya know.. that place aint a big enough venue ..

Mmmmm...my favorite place in Lubbock to eat!

[Blondie]

You SUCK Jeremey! Just kidding! I told Melinda tonight, that we'll have to get out to one of your shows to hang out. I'll bring some peeps, and we party down! She said to say hey BTW. I wish you guys the best of luck, and if I didn't have this career keeping me tied down, I would have loved to jump on the band wagon! Just keep us posted here in cyberworld, and I hope to hear from you soon! Take care,



Jim

Hey Jim, drive down here to Charleston for the June 7th show! It's at the Music Farm.

[mistiejourney]

. Sabrina and I celebrated with lunch at Abuelo's. ...

we have an Abuelos in lubbock.. great food ,, AND a good first date place.. get her a Swirle.. whole bunch of liquor frozen.. ....chicks dig that for you youngsters... hahha.. oh well..

my buddy does all the band bookings for the local place.. well .. he has had to fire us before .. so we dont play Abuelos... .. but ya know.. that place aint a big enough venue ..

I want a Swirle!!!!

And we have GREAT restaurants in SAN FRANCISCO and plenty of VENUES.

hint, hint

[journeywoman]

Yes congrautulations J,and yes I will see you and the band this weekend!!!

[G.I.Jim]

You SUCK Jeremey! Just kidding! I told Melinda tonight, that we'll have to get out to one of your shows to hang out. I'll bring some peeps, and we party down! She said to say hey BTW. I wish you guys the best of luck, and if I didn't have this career keeping me tied down, I would have loved to jump on the band wagon! Just keep us posted here in cyberworld, and I hope to hear from you soon! Take care,



Jim

Hey Jim, drive down here to Charleston for the June 7th show! It's at the Music Farm.

Who are you??? I'd love to, but I'll have to see if the schedule's up to it. This is my hardest month at work to get away! July should look a LOT better. I haven't checked out their site in a while...I'll have to check out the venue/times, etc... Thanks for the invite (whoever you are ) and I may just be there.

[Jeremey]

I got to thinking...

...was it not possible, in any way then, that Jeremey perhaps could've gotten his own tour bus for his wife and kid to come along on tour with him on? That way he couldn't miss out on much and always have his beloved at his side.

To purchase a decent quality coach you'd be looking at starting around $300,000 - Then what the hell would I do with it after the tour? The better option would be to rent, as discussed among certain members of Journey, which would cost about $150,000 for a summer, and about $75,000 to pay someone to drive it. But you don't take a 9 month old baby on the road anyway. Not even an option.

[Jeremey]

Who are you??? I'd love to, but I'll have to see if the schedule's up to it. This is my hardest month at work to get away! July should look a LOT better. I haven't checked out their site in a while...I'll have to check out the venue/times, etc... Thanks for the invite (whoever you are ) and I may just be there.

Hey Jim!

Hope you can make it. Haven't had a chance to email yet, but the new song sounds really good!! Will take some time to get things sorted out on this end, but I'll be in touch.

Thanks~
Jeremey

[Andrew]

A NOTE FOR THE RECORD - FOR ALL TO READ -

Sadly as predicted I am getting crap thrown at me on another forum for apparently limiting debate on this forum - in particular within this topic.

NO SO! I DID NOT squash this topic or discussion - I merely removed the abusive posts between two posters that contained language I considered to be over the top.
That Jeremey decided not to respond to Beshad's questions is NOT my fault and I should not have shit hung on me because of this.

Why is it that I get fucked over no matter what I do?????????

[Jeremey]

A NOTE FOR THE RECORD - FOR ALL TO READ -

Sadly as predicted I am getting crap thrown at me on another forum for apparently limiting debate on this forum - in particular within this topic.

NO SO! I DID NOT squash this topic or discussion - I merely removed the abusive posts between two posters that contained language I considered to be over the top.
That Jeremey decided not to respond to Beshad's questions is NOT my fault and I should not have shit hung on me because of this.

Why is it that I get fucked over no matter what I do?????????

Wow...Sorry for the drama Andrew. I had no idea such an innocuous post would spark such controversy. I hardly see any limiting debate...I addressed what I thought was sincere and ignored the rest. Didn't see any need for anyone to drag you into it. Some will never be happy I guess.

[Andrew]

Wow...Sorry for the drama Andrew. I had no idea such an innocuous post would spark such controversy. I hardly see any limiting debate...I addressed what I thought was sincere and ignored the rest. Didn't see any need for anyone to drag you into it. Some will never be happy I guess.

No problem with you Jeremey. I'm so fed up with running a kindergarden...a couple of others think they can do better - good luck to them. They'll need it.

[slucero]

A NOTE FOR THE RECORD - FOR ALL TO READ -

Sadly as predicted I am getting crap thrown at me on another forum for apparently limiting debate on this forum - in particular within this topic.

NO SO! I DID NOT squash this topic or discussion - I merely removed the abusive posts between two posters that contained language I considered to be over the top.
That Jeremey decided not to respond to Beshad's questions is NOT my fault and I should not have shit hung on me because of this.

Why is it that I get fucked over no matter what I do?????????

Pretty simple Drew... Open forums simply do not work. Yer gonna have to set up some rules... make sure everyone understands that they agree to them when they register and then enforce them. All it takes is one or two idiots who make posts "personal" by attacking the individual instead of the the post... and yer off to the races with flame wars....

I looked for a set of Rules for yer forum.. couldn't find any except on the registration page:

While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.

This forum system uses cookies to store information on your local computer. These cookies do not contain any of the information you have entered above; they serve only to improve your viewing pleasure. The e-mail address is used only for confirming your registration details and password (and for sending new passwords should you forget your current one).

By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.

Within this there is nothing about acceptable registrant conduct. Everyone is fair game... including you and your Mods.

This is good general rule that works: "Open attacks, name-calling and general character attacks of any user, moderator, administrator will not be tolerated."

I'd suggest posting something along these lines in every Forum... until you put it out there for all Members, and then enforce those Rules.. you will continue to have this kind of problem.

[StevePerryHair]

A NOTE FOR THE RECORD - FOR ALL TO READ -

Sadly as predicted I am getting crap thrown at me on another forum for apparently limiting debate on this forum - in particular within this topic.

NO SO! I DID NOT squash this topic or discussion - I merely removed the abusive posts between two posters that contained language I considered to be over the top.
That Jeremey decided not to respond to Beshad's questions is NOT my fault and I should not have shit hung on me because of this.

Why is it that I get fucked over no matter what I do?????????

Though I do not agree with abusive posts at all , the post with the questions was not abusive. Everyone could have butted out until Jeremey answered the questions. And Jeremey DID answer the questions. I dont' see why people have to immediately start to pounce when questions are asked in a respectful manner. Whether you think it is baiting or not. Why not give Jeremey time to react first before jumping to his defense. You all act like he cant' take care of himself or something. It's ridiculous.

[Andrew]

Pretty simple Drew... Open forums simply do not work. Yer gonna have to set up some rules... make sure everyone understands that they agree to them when they register and then enforce them. All it takes is one or two idiots who make posts "personal" by attacking the individual instead of the the post... and yer off to the races with flame wars....

I thought people by now understood the rules thet are in place here.

[Andrew]

Though I do not agree with abusive posts at all , the post with the questions was not abusive. Everyone could have butted out until Jeremey answered the questions. And Jeremey DID answer the questions. I dont' see why people have to immediately start to pounce when questions are asked in a respectful manner.

Which is why that post remained (I never had issue with that) and why only the arguing posts were removed.

[StevePerryHair]

Though I do not agree with abusive posts at all , the post with the questions was not abusive. Everyone could have butted out until Jeremey answered the questions. And Jeremey DID answer the questions. I dont' see why people have to immediately start to pounce when questions are asked in a respectful manner.

Which is why that post remained (I never had issue with that) and why only the arguing posts were removed.

Right, I'm just saying you keep saying you can't help it Jeremey didnt' answer, but he did answer. He just was busy that day and no one even gave him time to answer before jumping all over it.

[Sarah]

Yer gonna have to set up some rules... make sure everyone understands that they agree to them when they register and then enforce them. All it takes is one or two idiots who make posts "personal" by attacking the individual instead of the the post... and yer off to the races with flame wars....

Quoting rules all the time is going to kill what made this forum different from Generations/BT and will drive away many more of the current posters than it will keep. People LIKE being able to call names and speak candidly here. Which I don't mind either, even though I don't really do it myself.

Andrew, just run things the way you want to run them and don't get tied up in other people's disapproval. You just can't make everyone happy!

[Michael Leigh]

Damn Carl when does your commitment expire?
I couldn't imagine leaving my 16 month old for much more than a day at a time.
I don't know how you guys and girls deal with the heartache?

Changing the subject here a bit, but are you freaking kidding, Carl? You have to go back to that hell hole AGAIN?

Yepper Depper!

If I stay in the unit I am in right now,
I will be right back in Iraq at the beginning of January.
It really starts to wear on you after all these years.
Put it this way:
3 days after my honeymoon in '96, I deployed
to Saudi Arabia for 4 months. Actually arrived at
Khobar Towers one week after the bombing. If our unit
wasn't delayed a week due to airlift, we would've been
in one of the buildings that sustained most of the damage.
8 or 9 folks from Eglin AFB, whom we were replacing, died
in that blast; pretty scary.

I was sent on a 45-day TDY one week after my frist daughter was born.
By the time Bella was 4, I had spent one year in Korea, 6 months in Iraq
and been on numerous 2-3 week TDYs across the country.
She turns 8 this Sunday and I have missed 4 Thanksgivings/Christmas holidays
with her and have been able to take her trick-or-treating 3 times...

My youngest, Abby, was 2 months old when I left last August for this most recent trip.
In November, I will be deployed to a state-side base for 30-days of pre-Iraq training.
I will probably be getting ready to come home from Iraq when she turns 2 next May 24th.

Jeremey DEFINITELY has his priorities straight.
He coulda banked millions from Journey but
he still couldn't "buy back all that time lost."

I hit my 20-year mark on October 1st, 2010.
If I choose to retire, I will be 40 yo...
Depending on where I am stationed and what I am
doing, I don't if I will retire then or stick around longer.
Whether or not I am deploying constantly will play a MAJOR factor
in my decision.

Sorry to go off topic, but I want to thank you for your service to our country.
We take for granted everyday the freedom that we have because of our military men and women.
You sir, are one of the true heroes in my eyes.

Thanks for what you do, Carl!!

[ScarabGator]

I apoligize for my part in the crapfest and if I should be suspended for it then I will accept it and understand Andrew's position. My reply to "the question" started out innocent enough, at least in my opinion and there was no namecalling or insults. Considering the history of "the asker" I knew what was going to happen and I got bummed because Jeremey was only trying to share good news on here with his online friends. Jeremey had nothing to do with any of this, it was entirely between me and the other party. Again, Im sorry for any trouble I have caused. Andrew, I will accept a suspension if you need to. Hopefully it will ease the hostility.

[Moon Beam]

Why is it that I get fucked over no matter what I do?????????

It's because you have such a cute backside Sir!

Sorry Andrew I couldn't let that one go by......I'll just shut up and drink my coffee now.

[Andrew]

Though I do not agree with abusive posts at all , the post with the questions was not abusive. Everyone could have butted out until Jeremey answered the questions. And Jeremey DID answer the questions. I dont' see why people have to immediately start to pounce when questions are asked in a respectful manner.

Which is why that post remained (I never had issue with that) and why only the arguing posts were removed.

Right, I'm just saying you keep saying you can't help it Jeremey didnt' answer, but he did answer. He just was busy that day and no one even gave him time to answer before jumping all over it.

Ok, thanks for pointing that out to everyone (and myself).

[Andrew]

Why is it that I get fucked over no matter what I do?????????

It's because you have such a cute backside Sir!

Sorry Andrew I couldn't let that one go by......I'll just shut up and drink my coffee now.

I needed a laugh...thank you.

[Luvsaugeri]

Andrew, just run things the way you want to run them and don't get tied up in other people's disapproval. You just can't make everyone happy!

AMEN!!!!

(although I don't like the name calling......it's so sophomoric and juvenile. IMO)

[StevePerryHair]

I apoligize for my part in the crapfest and if I should be suspended for it then I will accept it and understand Andrew's position. My reply to "the question" started out innocent enough, at least in my opinion and there was no namecalling or insults. Considering the history of "the asker" I knew what was going to happen and I got bummed because Jeremey was only trying to share good news on here with his online friends. Jeremey had nothing to do with any of this, it was entirely between me and the other party. Again, Im sorry for any trouble I have caused. Andrew, I will accept a suspension if you need to. Hopefully it will ease the hostility.

Well he and Jeremey had posted I believe last week together and it was Jeremey who actually mentioned it's good they have buried the hatchet. So really I don't see how it was your business to be involved at all. It's obvious the poster was not abusing Jeremey with such a question, he asked his question respectfully. Even Andrew just said this morning he had no problem with the question.

[ScarabGator]

I apoligize for my part in the crapfest and if I should be suspended for it then I will accept it and understand Andrew's position. My reply to "the question" started out innocent enough, at least in my opinion and there was no namecalling or insults. Considering the history of "the asker" I knew what was going to happen and I got bummed because Jeremey was only trying to share good news on here with his online friends. Jeremey had nothing to do with any of this, it was entirely between me and the other party. Again, Im sorry for any trouble I have caused. Andrew, I will accept a suspension if you need to. Hopefully it will ease the hostility.

Well he and Jeremey had posted I believe last week together and it was Jeremey who actually mentioned it's good they have buried the hatchet. So really I don't see how it was your business to be involved at all. It's obvious the poster was not abusing Jeremey with such a question, he asked his question respectfully. Even Andrew just said this morning he had no problem with the question.

Whatever. When its posted on here I think its everyones business, if it wasnt he would have PM'd it. Ive said what Im gonna say so you can back off now.

[StevePerryHair]

I apoligize for my part in the crapfest and if I should be suspended for it then I will accept it and understand Andrew's position. My reply to "the question" started out innocent enough, at least in my opinion and there was no namecalling or insults. Considering the history of "the asker" I knew what was going to happen and I got bummed because Jeremey was only trying to share good news on here with his online friends. Jeremey had nothing to do with any of this, it was entirely between me and the other party. Again, Im sorry for any trouble I have caused. Andrew, I will accept a suspension if you need to. Hopefully it will ease the hostility.

Well he and Jeremey had posted I believe last week together and it was Jeremey who actually mentioned it's good they have buried the hatchet. So really I don't see how it was your business to be involved at all. It's obvious the poster was not abusing Jeremey with such a question, he asked his question respectfully. Even Andrew just said this morning he had no problem with the question.

Whatever. When its posted on here I think its everyones business, if it wasnt he would have PM'd it. Ive said what Im gonna say so you can back off now.

And I think I've said what I wanted to say so I don't need to be told to back off, cause I'm done anyway

[Michigan Girl]

Damn Carl when does your commitment expire?
I couldn't imagine leaving my 16 month old for much more than a day at a time.
I don't know how you guys and girls deal with the heartache?

Changing the subject here a bit, but are you freaking kidding, Carl? You have to go back to that hell hole AGAIN?

Yepper Depper!

If I stay in the unit I am in right now,
I will be right back in Iraq at the beginning of January.
It really starts to wear on you after all these years.
Put it this way:
3 days after my honeymoon in '96, I deployed
to Saudi Arabia for 4 months. Actually arrived at
Khobar Towers one week after the bombing. If our unit
wasn't delayed a week due to airlift, we would've been
in one of the buildings that sustained most of the damage.
8 or 9 folks from Eglin AFB, whom we were replacing, died
in that blast; pretty scary.

I was sent on a 45-day TDY one week after my frist daughter was born.
By the time Bella was 4, I had spent one year in Korea, 6 months in Iraq
and been on numerous 2-3 week TDYs across the country.
She turns 8 this Sunday and I have missed 4 Thanksgivings/Christmas holidays
with her and have been able to take her trick-or-treating 3 times...

My youngest, Abby, was 2 months old when I left last August for this most recent trip.
In November, I will be deployed to a state-side base for 30-days of pre-Iraq training.
I will probably be getting ready to come home from Iraq when she turns 2 next May 24th.

Jeremey DEFINITELY has his priorities straight.
He coulda banked millions from Journey but
he still couldn't "buy back all that time lost."

I hit my 20-year mark on October 1st, 2010.
If I choose to retire, I will be 40 yo...
Depending on where I am stationed and what I am
doing, I don't if I will retire then or stick around longer.
Whether or not I am deploying constantly will play a MAJOR factor
in my decision.

Sorry to go off topic, but I want to thank you for your service to our country.
We take for granted everyday the freedom that we have because of our military men and women.
You sir, are one of the true heroes in my eyes.

Thanks for what you do, Carl!!

Here, here...I would like to second that notion, THANK YOU....and I'd like to add a Thank you to the FAMILIES
of these men and women as well!!!

[larryfromnextdoor]

, so imagine kissing your first born child goodby at the age of 6 months, and then seeing them again when they were 18 months old.

you could have taken those kids on the road... ozzy did and his turned out just fine..

[StevePerryHair]

, so imagine kissing your first born child goodby at the age of 6 months, and then seeing them again when they were 18 months old.

you could have taken those kids on the road... ozzy did and his turned out just fine..

[yulog]

I got to thinking...

...was it not possible, in any way then, that Jeremey perhaps could've gotten his own tour bus for his wife and kid to come along on tour with him on? That way he couldn't miss out on much and always have his beloved at his side.

To purchase a decent quality coach you'd be looking at starting around $300,000 - Then what the hell would I do with it after the tour? The better option would be to rent, as discussed among certain members of Journey, which would cost about $150,000 for a summer, and about $75,000 to pay someone to drive it. But you don't take a 9 month old baby on the road anyway. Not even an option.

Jeremey, I going to ask a difficult question.

Im curious, if you knew you wouldn't have taken your newborn and wife on the road, and you didn't want to be away from them for any period of time, why even go to the audition(was it just to see if you could get the position? To prove to yourself that you were good enough?)

I'm confused about something i read above...Your baby is approx 9 months old and the pregnancy is approx 9 months, so you had 18 months where if they gave you the call you knew your baby was on its way or already here. Knowing Journey ,you had to know they were going to want to tour and tour hard ,which would keep you away from your family . Why go to an audition knowing you wouldn't leave your family for any length of time.(Its like going to an interview knowing you won't take the job offered)

[Jeremey]

I got to thinking...

...was it not possible, in any way then, that Jeremey perhaps could've gotten his own tour bus for his wife and kid to come along on tour with him on? That way he couldn't miss out on much and always have his beloved at his side.

To purchase a decent quality coach you'd be looking at starting around $300,000 - Then what the hell would I do with it after the tour? The better option would be to rent, as discussed among certain members of Journey, which would cost about $150,000 for a summer, and about $75,000 to pay someone to drive it. But you don't take a 9 month old baby on the road anyway. Not even an option.

Jeremey, I going to ask a difficult question.

Im curious, if you knew you wouldn't have taken your newborn and wife on the road, and you didn't want to be away from them for any period of time, why even go to the audition(was it just to see if you could get the position? To prove to yourself that you were good enough?)

I'm confused about something i read above...Your baby is approx 9 months old and the pregnancy is approx 9 months, so you had 18 months where if they gave you the call you knew your baby was on its way or already here. Knowing Journey ,you had to know they were going to want to tour and tour hard ,which would keep you away from your family . Why go to an audition knowing you wouldn't leave your family for any length of time.(Its like going to an interview knowing you won't take the job offered)

That opens up the question as to whether or not it was an audition at all....Which I'm not going to get into here.

However, making life changing decisions like that isn't the sort of thing that's done over the course of the 5 weeks or whatever between the first call I got to my conversation advising them to look elsewhere...

These aren't the sorts of things I was thinking about in my original post though. Maybe questions best left between the band and myself?