Neal VS Jon

[The_Noble_Cause]

Don’t post pictures of that Covid denying, conspiracy theory pushing, racist hack here thanks.

And everyone is fair game. Journey is a shit show right now. But Neal has only even been cool to me, so I’ve got no reason at all to join the mob looking for blood.

Ok. That's fair. I respect that. Drew you can attack me all you want. I will always be a big fan of you and MR.

[Andrew]

Ok. That's fair. I respect that. Drew you can attack me all you want. I will always be a big fan of you and MR.

I'm not wishing to attack anyone...It makes me look like I'm in a bad mood and I'm not.

I just don't think this is all on Neal. Cain has been miserable for years and I question his judgement going back as far as turning up at the White House band in tow to se the Orange Sphincter.

Bottom line - its a mess. And I don't see a clear path forward at this stage. SP and Rolie rejoining would be nice.

[Archetype]

Ok. That's fair. I respect that. Drew you can attack me all you want. I will always be a big fan of you and MR.

I'm not wishing to attack anyone...It makes me look like I'm in a bad mood and I'm not.

I just don't think this is all on Neal. Cain has been miserable for years and I question his judgement going back as far as turning up at the White House band in tow to se the Orange Sphincter.

Bottom line - its a mess. And I don't see a clear path forward at this stage. SP and Rolie rejoining would be nice.

Tell me Trump lives rent-free in your mind without telling me Trump lives rent-free in your mind. Obsessing over the WH visit is so tiresome. Very few people on earth would turn down a chance to visit the White House and sitting POTUS regardless of who it is.

[Andrew]

Tell me Trump lives rent-free in your mind without telling me Trump lives rent-free in your mind. Obsessing over the WH visit is so tiresome. Very few people on earth would turn down a chance to visit the White House and sitting POTUS regardless of who it is.

LOL...obsessing...sounds like you are. Trump to me is dead. He's gone, won't count for anything in the future, besides being remembered as the worst president in American history.

As for folks choosing to visit the WH and not declining, I sure as shit would if I couldn't stomach the guy at the top. No way on earth. You have to have principles. I've turned down working with a few musicians over the years for the same reason.

But we all know Cain loves Drumpf and his Mrs is well and truly attached.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Regarding WH Visit......

Even if Cain and Arnel are to be believed - (claiming it was just a historic opportunity) - the optics of it are bad. Bottom line - management should have intervened if they could.

It is worth noting that Arnel's personal assistant, Yul, also attended. Allegedly, Arnel and his assistant both wanted to meet the WH chef because she was also Filipino. There's a great story there. Unfortunately, in this day and age, everything becomes partisan. Neal didn't help matters by further amplifying the WH visit story on social media. Were the guys (Ross, Arnel) used as unwitting pawns to advance Paula and Jon's MAGA politics? It's def. possible.

Either way, it shouldn't have happened.

[Eric]

Sounds like Perry withdrew that trademark lawsuit.

[Monker]

As for visiting the WH. An old friend of mine is a congressman. He invited me, my mom and sister to visit Washington. He said he could set up a meeting to meet Trump and give us a VIP tour of Washington. We were going to go but this was in the late Summer/Fall of 2020 and things were starting to heat up with the protests at the White House. I just did not feel safe doing it so we did not go. I am not a big fan of Trump but to be a VIP guest of a US Representative would have been really cool...and would look forward to other things besides just meeting Trump.

So, I can understand why the guys went. They were not "representing Journey" so it should not have been a big deal. Neal made it news and a big deal by commenting on it. It seems like a control thing...same with Jonathan performing Journey songs. Neal Schon does not equal Journey any more than Steve Perry = Journey. He definitely should not be able to dictate the actions of the other band members.

[Monker]

Sounds like Perry withdrew that trademark lawsuit.

Yeah, and Neal made some comment like "Now we can talk..." Trying to imply him joining the tour, I guess.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sounds like Perry withdrew that trademark lawsuit.

Yeah, and Neal made some comment like "Now we can talk..." Trying to imply him joining the tour, I guess.

Also alluding to having that cup of coffee.....

Not sure how you go from alleging fraud to withdrawing. Need more context.
Worst case scenario - this is the calm before another legal storm

[Art Vandelay]

As for visiting the WH. An old friend of mine is a congressman. He invited me, my mom and sister to visit Washington. He said he could set up a meeting to meet Trump and give us a VIP tour of Washington. We were going to go but this was in the late Summer/Fall of 2020 and things were starting to heat up with the protests at the White House. I just did not feel safe doing it so we did not go. I am not a big fan of Trump but to be a VIP guest of a US Representative would have been really cool...and would look forward to other things besides just meeting Trump.

So, I can understand why the guys went. They were not "representing Journey" so it should not have been a big deal. Neal made it news and a big deal by commenting on it. It seems like a control thing...same with Jonathan performing Journey songs. Neal Schon does not equal Journey any more than Steve Perry = Journey. He definitely should not be able to dictate the actions of the other band members.

Agreed. I'm the last person to talk politics. But just look at it from the perspective of American history. It's not every day that someone gets to tour the White House. Regardless of who is in office at that time, that's a special moment for a lot of people. And if you get to actually meet the President – whoever that may be at the time – that's kind of like icing on the cake. They weren't representing the band in any way during that visit.

[Archetype]

As for visiting the WH. An old friend of mine is a congressman. He invited me, my mom and sister to visit Washington. He said he could set up a meeting to meet Trump and give us a VIP tour of Washington. We were going to go but this was in the late Summer/Fall of 2020 and things were starting to heat up with the protests at the White House. I just did not feel safe doing it so we did not go. I am not a big fan of Trump but to be a VIP guest of a US Representative would have been really cool...and would look forward to other things besides just meeting Trump.

So, I can understand why the guys went. They were not "representing Journey" so it should not have been a big deal. Neal made it news and a big deal by commenting on it. It seems like a control thing...same with Jonathan performing Journey songs. Neal Schon does not equal Journey any more than Steve Perry = Journey. He definitely should not be able to dictate the actions of the other band members.

Agreed. I'm the last person to talk politics. But just look at it from the perspective of American history. It's not every day that someone gets to tour the White House. Regardless of who is in office at that time, that's a special moment for a lot of people. And if you get to actually meet the President – whoever that may be at the time – that's kind of like icing on the cake. They weren't representing the band in any way during that visit.

Exactly

[JourneyHard]

No offense, but why is Journey doing all the secondary markets during their big 50th Anniversary Tour? Imagine if they have Perry and Rolie back. Shouldn't they be in the major markets? Or is that coming later this summer?

[The_Noble_Cause]

No offense, but why is Journey doing all the secondary markets during their big 50th Anniversary Tour? Imagine if they have Perry and Rolie back. Shouldn't they be in the major markets? Or is that coming later this summer?

Major markets were already hit on the first leg of the Freedom tour. This is the second leg.

[Hollywood]

Sounds like Perry withdrew that trademark lawsuit.

He withdrew his suit with prejudice, which means it cannot be brought up again. Perry had a good case as he wrote the songs being used in band merch. He should receive a royalty on these. He had a good case AND it was dismissed with prejudice with no further details, this indicates and settlement was reached. Perry nor Cain talk about stuff like this in public so Schon is controlling the narrative here.

[Monker]

:mrgreen:

No offense, but why is Journey doing all the secondary markets during their big 50th Anniversary Tour? Imagine if they have Perry and Rolie back. Shouldn't they be in the major markets? Or is that coming later this summer?

Major markets were already hit on the first leg of the Freedom tour. This is the second leg.

That's typical. He probably forgot it was the 50th amidst all of the "Freedom" crap. Now he's just slapping the anniversary on and making it up as he goes. He had three years to plan this all out. Just nuts. I bet Gregg only shows up for one or two show, if at all.

At the very least, get some of the old members together and do one concert and film it and release a DVD.

[Monker]

Sounds like Perry withdrew that trademark lawsuit.

He withdrew his suit with prejudice, which means it cannot be brought up again. Perry had a good case as he wrote the songs being used in band merch. He should receive a royalty on these. He had a good case AND it was dismissed with prejudice with no further details, this indicates and settlement was reached. Perry nor Cain talk about stuff like this in public so Schon is controlling the narrative here.

Neal said he talked to Perry about this before. I still think Perry's attorney's saw Neal filed the trademarks and just automatically filed the the complaint without talking to Perry first...it's their job. Then Neal freaked out about it. I bet Perry was like "Well, if you're going to be like that...we'll just let this go on." Who knows what was in the settlement...but I bet Perry got his fair share.

[Hollywood]

Regarding WH Visit......

Even if Cain and Arnel are to be believed - (claiming it was just a historic opportunity) - the optics of it are bad. Bottom line - management should have intervened if they could.

It is worth noting that Arnel's personal assistant, Yul, also attended. Allegedly, Arnel and his assistant both wanted to meet the WH chef because she was also Filipino. There's a great story there. Unfortunately, in this day and age, everything becomes partisan. Neal didn't help matters by further amplifying the WH visit story on social media. Were the guys (Ross, Arnel) used as unwitting pawns to advance Paula and Jon's MAGA politics? It's def. possible.

Either way, it shouldn't have happened.

Not a Trump fan, nor would I ever have interest in meeting any President. What am I gonna talk about with them? That being said, if given the opportunity to visit the White House with access like they had I would do it in a second regardless who the current POTUS was. This was a nothing story at the time and would have stayed that way if Neal hadn't kicked the hornets nest with this.

I am not saying Neal is wrong or shouldn't have been upset, but handle it in house. Made worse by his conspiracies about management wanting to replace him and people hacking his socials.

[Journey/Survivor]

Does anyone know if Journey are going to be anywhere near Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Youngstown, Toledo or even Columbus for this upcoming tour?

[jrnyman28]

:mrgreen:

No offense, but why is Journey doing all the secondary markets during their big 50th Anniversary Tour? Imagine if they have Perry and Rolie back. Shouldn't they be in the major markets? Or is that coming later this summer?

Major markets were already hit on the first leg of the Freedom tour. This is the second leg.

That's typical. He probably forgot it was the 50th amidst all of the "Freedom" crap. Now he's just slapping the anniversary on and making it up as he goes. He had three years to plan this all out. Just nuts. I bet Gregg only shows up for one or two show, if at all.

At the very least, get some of the old members together and do one concert and film it and release a DVD.

In an early interview Neal mentioned this was the 2nd leg of the Freedom Tour (remember when Neal said there were 80+ dates and we only had 40 or so). He actually said Journey won’t really be able to celebrate their 50th anniversary until at least late 2024. And that’s when he wanted to do the Journey/Santana/Toto tour (which was supposed to be the real impetus for Gregg joining Journey on stage and Neal joining Santana). So Neal is definitely just slapping the 50th logo on the promo.

[Memorex]

Regarding WH Visit......

Even if Cain and Arnel are to be believed - (claiming it was just a historic opportunity) - the optics of it are bad. Bottom line - management should have intervened if they could.

It is worth noting that Arnel's personal assistant, Yul, also attended. Allegedly, Arnel and his assistant both wanted to meet the WH chef because she was also Filipino. There's a great story there. Unfortunately, in this day and age, everything becomes partisan. Neal didn't help matters by further amplifying the WH visit story on social media. Were the guys (Ross, Arnel) used as unwitting pawns to advance Paula and Jon's MAGA politics? It's def. possible.

Either way, it shouldn't have happened.

Not a Trump fan, nor would I ever have interest in meeting any President. What am I gonna talk about with them? That being said, if given the opportunity to visit the White House with access like they had I would do it in a second regardless who the current POTUS was. This was a nothing story at the time and would have stayed that way if Neal hadn't kicked the hornets nest with this.

I am not saying Neal is wrong or shouldn't have been upset, but handle it in house. Made worse by his conspiracies about management wanting to replace him and people hacking his socials.

Not a Jimmy Carter fan by any stretch, but I was glad to meet him and shake his hand. I just think those opportunities are above the particular person.

And there is nothing wrong with anyone being a Trump fan and going to the white house. Let's not normalize demonizing anything people don't agree with. I wasn't an Obama fan either but do you think I have one ounce of thought as to who visited him. Lots of people I like went there. Good for them. Why anyone would care is just beyond me.

[ebake02]

Does anybody honestly know what the fuck is going on anymore? I've been trying to keep with this but it's become such a convoluted soap opera that I've lost track.

[Onestepper]

Regarding WH Visit......

Even if Cain and Arnel are to be believed - (claiming it was just a historic opportunity) - the optics of it are bad. Bottom line - management should have intervened if they could.

It is worth noting that Arnel's personal assistant, Yul, also attended. Allegedly, Arnel and his assistant both wanted to meet the WH chef because she was also Filipino. There's a great story there. Unfortunately, in this day and age, everything becomes partisan. Neal didn't help matters by further amplifying the WH visit story on social media. Were the guys (Ross, Arnel) used as unwitting pawns to advance Paula and Jon's MAGA politics? It's def. possible.

Either way, it shouldn't have happened.

Not a Trump fan, nor would I ever have interest in meeting any President. What am I gonna talk about with them? That being said, if given the opportunity to visit the White House with access like they had I would do it in a second regardless who the current POTUS was. This was a nothing story at the time and would have stayed that way if Neal hadn't kicked the hornets nest with this.

I am not saying Neal is wrong or shouldn't have been upset, but handle it in house. Made worse by his conspiracies about management wanting to replace him and people hacking his socials.

Very well said. Years ago I got a private tour of the White House during the Clinton administration. Couldn't care less about Clinton, and I had zero interest in meeting him. It was an honor just to be able to be in that building and see all of the history. And I'd do it again during any presidency, whether I like them or not.

This country's become so childish and petty that it's sad to think that people can't keep their heads on straight because one guy occupies the White House. Just silly.

[The_Noble_Cause]

On the topic of Arnel and Cain refusing to be on stage with Gregg, Neal's wife said the following on FB:

"that's on point all honest" and "God Bless Gregg Rolie Forgive them and know we all love you Gregg"

[Andrew]

On the topic of Arnel and Cain refusing to be on stage with Gregg,

Just hearsay surely? I haven't been paying that much attention.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just hearsay surely? I haven't been paying that much attention.

This is what is coming out from Schon's camp (his wife, her assistant, and Neal's publicity firm).
I imagine we don't know the whole story. I cannot think of any reason why Arnel would fight that.

However, if true, it proves that Cain/Arnel are tight. Which is what we heard towards the end of the last tour (flying together away from Neal on the private jet, making appearances together).

[Andrew]

Just hearsay surely? I haven't been paying that much attention.

This is what is coming out from Schon's camp (his wife, her assistant, and Neal's publicity firm).
I imagine we don't know the whole story. I cannot think of any reason why Arnel would fight that.

Ok. What a mess.

[Archetype]

It seems very out of character for Arnel to refuse to be on stage with anyone.

[Onestepper]

Just hearsay surely? I haven't been paying that much attention.

This is what is coming out from Schon's camp (his wife, her assistant, and Neal's publicity firm).
I imagine we don't know the whole story. I cannot think of any reason why Arnel would fight that.

However, if true, it proves that Cain/Arnel are tight. Which is what we heard towards the end of the last tour (flying together away from Neal on the private jet, making appearances together).

That doesn't sound at all consistent with anything I've ever read or seen regarding Arnel. He's been nothing but respectful of the history of the band and its members. And he's done a good job of basically staying out of all of the NS/JC drama. As you said, we don't know the whole story, and I'm not surprised at all that some are taking liberties with him and his words to win some bizarre PR war.

[The_Noble_Cause]

More today from Neal's beloved:

Life is precious. Jeff Beck has shown us that along with so many in Heaven now we see how very precious time is. We look forward to seeing everyone soon on Tour!! Neal Schon & Journey 50th anniversary Freedom Tour!! OF A LIFETIME TOUR!! 50!!
TWO BAND MEMBERS of the Journey current LINE UP ARE "adamant " NO against Gregg Rolie to return.
Life is so precious Neal and Gregg agree. Who wants to have that feeling, truly sad...."

It just goes on this like.
I think Cain described both her and Neal's emails as "incoherent."
Sounds about right!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually, it gets worse...
Neal's wife is liking social media comments calling for Arnel to be replaced.
Management needs to get involved here.