"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

[Gideon]

The thread may continue, lol. I just had to make closing arguments.

[artist4perry]

And you never will.

And there goes your plight to the wombat-erator.

Which was also directed to you, as well.

WTF? He [Andrew] quoted you, jackass. He gave the order to you, because you are causing this bullshit.

Are you really this stupid? Do you have some sort of neurological impairment that prevents simple concepts like honesty or single standards or logic from interacting with the pile of shit you call a brain?

And ":cool:" is not a valid rebuttal when you've been correctly accused of being a liar. It's more or less an S.O.S signal to the rest of us that you haven't got a comeback and yet you're so desperate to seem like you're capable of taking us on.

Raise your game or get off the court.

[Now I'll probably get a response from Andrew. ]

So Giddy, how bout them Cubs? LOL! Hugs...........going to bed..........you guys can keep this up till Andrew has a pissy fit. Again I add the video that shows my true feelings on this whole arguement................
You guys watch it and get a laugh Darn it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwdRHovYok

[artist4perry]

[Don]

Well, Bingo is over and all I got from it was a bag of stale popcorn and an I.O.U. for a blowjob later tonight.
Oh well, you lose some, you win some.

[DavidC]

And you never will.

And there goes your plight to the wombat-erator.

Which was also directed to you, as well.

WTF? He [Andrew] quoted you, jackass. He gave the order to you, because you are causing this bullshit.

Are you really this stupid? Do you have some sort of neurological impairment that prevents simple concepts like honesty or single standards or logic from interacting with the pile of shit you call a brain?

And ":cool:" is not a valid rebuttal when you've been correctly accused of being a liar. It's more or less an S.O.S signal to the rest of us that you haven't got a comeback and yet you're so desperate to seem like you're capable of taking us on.

Raise your game or get off the court.

[Now I'll probably get a response from Andrew. ]

[ttango1]

The incessant arguments from the new guy were in a word,"BANAL."

I find it curious when one cannot comprehend the concept of moving forward. If this band with this singer is as dead as he portends in his witty repartee(Sorry Dave, it's not really but hey, anyone can be a legend in their own mind), then the obvious question would be to ask....WHY CONTINUE TO BOOK DATES AND TOUR?

Because...again for those who refuse to believe their eyes, there is actually a demand for them. Go to a concert. You'll probably notice maybe an empty section of seats, me...I notice the blue jean girl standing in her seat singing DSB at 11:30 PM 5 full hours after the gates to the amphitheater were opened. I hear the na-nas of LTS as people leave the arena and then the continued blare of different Journey albums playing songs sung by 5 and 3/4 singers(Remember, Cain sings some of the Rollie stuff like FTW-Anytime).

While there has been an influx of very tan people who have joined the ranks of Journey faithful, there are also a large number of casual fans of any color who didn't get to hear the soaring tenor notes back then, but hear them now. It's not the same but it's reminiscent or in this case, a throwback. There is a limited amount of singers who have voices that can transcend generational gaps. Perry had one, and that voice is now retired on the beaches of San Diego. Del Mar to be exact. What Journey has now, IMHO, is one who bridges. And that is the best that can be done.

[Voyager]

The incessant arguments from the new guy were in a word,"BANAL."

I find it curious when one cannot comprehend the concept of moving forward. If this band with this singer is as dead as he portends in his witty repartee(Sorry Dave, it's not really but hey, anyone can be a legend in their own mind), then the obvious question would be to ask....WHY CONTINUE TO BOOK DATES AND TOUR?

Because...again for those who refuse to believe their eyes, there is actually a demand for them. Go to a concert. You'll probably notice maybe an empty section of seats, me...I notice the blue jean girl standing in her seat singing DSB at 11:30 PM 5 full hours after the gates to the amphitheater were opened. I hear the na-nas of LTS as people leave the arena and then the continued blare of different Journey albums playing songs sung by 5 and 3/4 singers(Remember, Cain sings some of the Rollie stuff like FTW-Anytime).

While there has been an influx of very tan people who have joined the ranks of Journey faithful, there are also a large number of casual fans of any color who didn't get to hear the soaring tenor notes back then, but hear them now. It's not the same but it's reminiscent or in this case, a throwback. There is a limited amount of singers who have voices that can transcend generational gaps. Perry had one, and that voice is now retired on the beaches of San Diego. Del Mar to be exact. What Journey has now, IMHO, is one who bridges. And that is the best that can be done.

Dude, it doesn't have to get that serious. Journey has been a tribute band every since Perry checked out. Everyone realizes that. They pay to hear and watch someone impersonate Steve Perry. They paid to see Augeri, JSS, and Arnel do it. It's not worth getting all hyped up about anymore.

[Don]

The incessant arguments from the new guy were in a word,"BANAL."

I find it curious when one cannot comprehend the concept of moving forward. If this band with this singer is as dead as he portends in his witty repartee(Sorry Dave, it's not really but hey, anyone can be a legend in their own mind), then the obvious question would be to ask....WHY CONTINUE TO BOOK DATES AND TOUR?

Because...again for those who refuse to believe their eyes, there is actually a demand for them. Go to a concert. You'll probably notice maybe an empty section of seats, me...I notice the blue jean girl standing in her seat singing DSB at 11:30 PM 5 full hours after the gates to the amphitheater were opened. I hear the na-nas of LTS as people leave the arena and then the continued blare of different Journey albums playing songs sung by 5 and 3/4 singers(Remember, Cain sings some of the Rollie stuff like FTW-Anytime).

While there has been an influx of very tan people who have joined the ranks of Journey faithful, there are also a large number of casual fans of any color who didn't get to hear the soaring tenor notes back then, but hear them now. It's not the same but it's reminiscent or in this case, a throwback. There is a limited amount of singers who have voices that can transcend generational gaps. Perry had one, and that voice is now retired on the beaches of San Diego. Del Mar to be exact. What Journey has now, IMHO, is one who bridges. And that is the best that can be done.

Dude, it doesn't have to get that serious. Journey has been a tribute band every since Perry checked out. Everyone realizes that. They pay to hear and watch someone impersonate Steve Perry. They paid to see Augeri, JSS, and Arnel do it. It's not worth getting all hyped up about anymore.

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff. The band might want to move forward but the concert goers ain't having it. They want to hear the old songs sang by someone who sounds like Perry and that's what Neal is giving them. Neal even said as much at the Hollywood WOF, " It might not sound exactly like Perry but it's close enough and that's all the fans care about" This isnt Van Halen, no one cares about starting a new legacy with the band. Just give the crowd 12 to 14 songs from 78-86 and they'll be happy. Even if you don't play anything post 1986, most casual fans won't give a shit. Journey ain't reinventing the wheel here. They're playing it safe and making money in the process. I can't fault them for that.

[ttango1]

Everyone realizes that

I'm not in agreement. So the wide brush stroke doesn't apply to me or many others on this forum.

I'm not one of the loud minority who feels that Perry is so essential that the band MUST die without his presence. I mean people aren't really so dumb as to think that a band that still plays music that they wrote or at the very least, co-wrote, are a tribute band.

It's always the same arguments ad nauseam. Hence the term, banal.

I agree it's not serious, it's just music and to a great many of us, it sounds awesome

[Don]

That is why MR is wonderful, all your BANAL posts are confined to one site. Both plokker sites and the official Journey site are BANAL free. It all balances out rather nicely.

[Voyager]

The band might want to move forward but the concert goers ain't having it. They want to hear the old songs sang by someone who sounds like Perry and that's what Neal is giving them.

Exactly. Neal realizes that if all they played was their new music with Arnel singing it, they wouldn't even be able to draw the small crowds that Chickenfoot is playing to - and that's with Sammy Hagar singing (it would be even less with a singer who doesn't have name recognition).

I'm not one of the loud minority who feels that Perry is so essential that the band MUST die without his presence. I mean people aren't really so dumb as to think that a band that still plays music that they wrote or at the very least, co-wrote, are a tribute band.

Perry's presence is not essential to this band's success... but his legacy is.

Let's reign it back into reality people. Journey's success has nothing to do with Arnel, JSS, or Augeri... it's the Perry years that make the $$$ for this band. The band would be just as popular as it is right now if Jeremey was singing for them. No slight against Arnel whatsoever, but that is reality.

[SherriBerry]

And you never will.

And there goes your plight to the wombat-erator.

Which was also directed to you, as well.

WTF? He [Andrew] quoted you, jackass. He gave the order to you, because you are causing this bullshit.

Are you really this stupid? Do you have some sort of neurological impairment that prevents simple concepts like honesty or single standards or logic from interacting with the pile of shit you call a brain?

And ":cool:" is not a valid rebuttal when you've been correctly accused of being a liar. It's more or less an S.O.S signal to the rest of us that you haven't got a comeback and yet you're so desperate to seem like you're capable of taking us on.

Raise your game or get off the court.

[Now I'll probably get a response from Andrew. ]

It seems strange that a Mental Health Counsellor would derive so much enjoyment from pushing people's buttons. Are you on MR doing psych research?

[Don]

Even Perry couldn't escape from his own shadow. Look at his solo shows. No one wanted to hear Melody or Missing You. They wanted the Journey music.

[Voyager]

The more I think about it, this statement is pretty profound:

Perry's presence is not essential to Journey's success... but his legacy is.

Because of that fact, Journey is truly one of the most successful tribute bands of all time.

[Don]

The more I think about it, this statement is pretty profound:

Perry's presence is not essential to Journey's success... but his legacy is.

Because of that fact, Journey is truly one of the most successful tribute bands of all time.

Check your PM.

[DavidC]

And you never will.

And there goes your plight to the wombat-erator.

Which was also directed to you, as well.

WTF? He [Andrew] quoted you, jackass. He gave the order to you, because you are causing this bullshit.

Are you really this stupid? Do you have some sort of neurological impairment that prevents simple concepts like honesty or single standards or logic from interacting with the pile of shit you call a brain?

And ":cool:" is not a valid rebuttal when you've been correctly accused of being a liar. It's more or less an S.O.S signal to the rest of us that you haven't got a comeback and yet you're so desperate to seem like you're capable of taking us on.

Raise your game or get off the court.

[Now I'll probably get a response from Andrew. ]

It seems strange that a Mental Health Counsellor would derive so much enjoyment from pushing people's buttons. Are you on MR doing psych research?

Okay, SherriBerry, you found me out. LOL.

Actually, I don't ever go that far with someone who is cool-headed and is not easy to upset. I mean, where is the drama in that? I didn't realize he/they would get so upet!! Some people can take the heat, and some can't; they feel threatened, and have to lash out. It's not fair to them to keep it going. Anyway, its served its purpose. I'm sure there will be other responses, but they will be ignored. They are a waste of my time; and the responses just insult everyone else's intelligence on here, especially when they try to defend themselves. It's been kind of embarrassing to watch, at times.

This is Andrew's site, not mine, and besides, I should not allow myself to be baited. I guess I need to pay my dues before I lash out again!! LOL! Thanks for your post!!

[Gideon]

It takes a profound egotist to speak for the majority, so I'd imagine it takes something of even grander and more delusional of proportions to try to speak for "everyone."

Kudos to Voyager for taking a page out of David's book. You really don't speak for everyone.

[Gideon]

Even Perry couldn't escape from his own shadow. Look at his solo shows. No one wanted to hear Melody or Missing You. They wanted the Journey music.

Well, that doesn't make any sort of sense at all, does it? If Perry really was the source of all of Journey's success, if they really are nothing but a tribute band without him, then it stands to reason that all of his solo material would have done as well as anything he had done with Journey.

But it didn't happen. Why? Because people don't care for a Journeyless Perry anymore than they do for a Perryless Journey.

But you never hear that from anyone around here.

[Gideon]

Perry's presence is not essential to this band's success... but his legacy is.

Let's reign it back into reality people. Journey's success has nothing to do with Arnel, JSS, or Augeri... it's the Perry years that make the $$$ for this band. The band would be just as popular as it is right now if Jeremey was singing for them. No slight against Arnel whatsoever, but that is reality.

Then I suppose you'll do us all the honor of proving it?

[Gideon]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

[Saint John]

The more I think about it, this statement is pretty profound:

Perry's presence is not essential to Journey's success... but his legacy is.

Because of that fact, Journey is truly one of the most successful tribute bands of all time.

It's a "fact" in the heads of nutballs. While the argument can be made that Perry's voice was a large part of Journey's success it wasn't the end all. They were all fantastic co-contributors to the music and I tend, out of logic, to give them all credit. Cain brought in Open Arms and Faithfully and was the chief architect behind DSB and Wheel In The Sky pre-dated Perry. Vocalists always get the majority of the credit and I'm ok with that. Perry was hand picked by Herbie or he'd probably have never been afforded the luxuries he's now enjoying. My point is that everyone deserves credit. And there's nothing with that.

[Chubby321]

The more I think about it, this statement is pretty profound:

Perry's presence is not essential to Journey's success... but his legacy is.

Because of that fact, Journey is truly one of the most successful tribute bands of all time.

It's a "fact" in the heads of nutballs. While the argument can be made that Perry's voice was a large part of Journey's success it wasn't the end all. They were all fantastic co-contributors to the music and I tend, out of logic, to give them all credit. Cain brought in Open Arms and Faithfully and was the chief architect behind DSB and Wheel In The Sky pre-dated Perry. Vocalists always get the majority of the credit and I'm ok with that. Perry was hand picked by Herbie or he'd probably have never been afforded the luxuries he's now enjoying. My point is that everyone deserves credit. And there's nothing with that.

I agree...and things happened for a reason. We should just be glad that we are still enjoying the band... at least I do.

[Gideon]

It's a "fact" in the heads of nutballs. While the argument can be made that Perry's voice was a large part of Journey's success it wasn't the end all. They were all fantastic co-contributors to the music and I tend, out of logic, to give them all credit. Cain brought in Open Arms and Faithfully and was the chief architect behind DSB and Wheel In The Sky pre-dated Perry. Vocalists always get the majority of the credit and I'm ok with that. Perry was hand picked by Herbie or he'd probably have never been afforded the luxuries he's now enjoying. My point is that everyone deserves credit. And there's nothing with that.

Two little tidbits courtesy of GQ's interview with Steve Perry:

Of all the hits Journey had, why is that the one that seems to resonate the most?
Well, like I said—we were good together. Goddammit, we were good together. And Jon Cain and I used to spend hours together, doing lyrics. I mean, we’d get together with Neal, and we’d all write the arrangements.

Exhibit A: Perry elucidates on Cain's role in the songwriting; he wrote the lyrics, thus removing the myth that Perry did the lyrics to everyone's favorite songs. Sorry BGJ.

But when you had that conversation, did you get the sense that they thought you were just going out on your own?
Mmm-hmm. I think they thought I was just going to leave the group and go solo and tell everybody to go—whatever. Remember, it took two solo albums from Neal before I did my first. I was a Journey member. I was a Journeyman. I was part of a band that saved my life. You don’t seem to understand how much I wanted to sing in that band. The manager, Herbie, fought for me to be in that band, when they weren’t sure. If it wasn’t for Herbie Herbert fighting for what he believed was the right direction, which was “This guy’s gonna be the singer of the band, and I don’t wanna talk about it anymore”—he fought for me. We’ve had our problems too, but if it wasn’t for Herbie, I woulda had no chance, to sing on that grand stage. He went to bat for me in a huge way.

Exhibit B: Perry admits that without Herbie Herbert (and by extension Neal and Gregg for allowing him entry), he wouldn't have had a career.

So you all may thank Journey. Because without them, our boy Steve Perry would have faded into obscurity a long, long time ago.

[SusieP]

It's a "fact" in the heads of nutballs. While the argument can be made that Perry's voice was a large part of Journey's success it wasn't the end all. They were all fantastic co-contributors to the music and I tend, out of logic, to give them all credit. Cain brought in Open Arms and Faithfully and was the chief architect behind DSB and Wheel In The Sky pre-dated Perry. Vocalists always get the majority of the credit and I'm ok with that. Perry was hand picked by Herbie or he'd probably have never been afforded the luxuries he's now enjoying. My point is that everyone deserves credit. And there's nothing with that.

Two little tidbits courtesy of GQ's interview with Steve Perry:

Of all the hits Journey had, why is that the one that seems to resonate the most?
Well, like I said—we were good together. Goddammit, we were good together. And Jon Cain and I used to spend hours together, doing lyrics. I mean, we’d get together with Neal, and we’d all write the arrangements.

Exhibit A: Perry elucidates on Cain's role in the songwriting; he wrote the lyrics, thus removing the myth that Perry did the lyrics to everyone's favorite songs. Sorry BGJ.

But when you had that conversation, did you get the sense that they thought you were just going out on your own?
Mmm-hmm. I think they thought I was just going to leave the group and go solo and tell everybody to go—whatever. Remember, it took two solo albums from Neal before I did my first. I was a Journey member. I was a Journeyman. I was part of a band that saved my life. You don’t seem to understand how much I wanted to sing in that band. The manager, Herbie, fought for me to be in that band, when they weren’t sure. If it wasn’t for Herbie Herbert fighting for what he believed was the right direction, which was “This guy’s gonna be the singer of the band, and I don’t wanna talk about it anymore”—he fought for me. We’ve had our problems too, but if it wasn’t for Herbie, I woulda had no chance, to sing on that grand stage. He went to bat for me in a huge way.

Exhibit B: Perry admits that without Herbie Herbert (and by extension Neal and Gregg for allowing him entry), he wouldn't have had a career.

So you all may thank Journey. Because without them, our boy Steve Perry would have faded into obscurity a long, long time ago.

But maybe Journey would have faded into obscurity too.
We cannot know.

The band's musical talents, vocal talents, composing talents and Herbie's business talent all contributed to their success. Would the success have come without all of those elements? Maybe, maybe not.

So maybe we should thank Fate, or The Universe or God or The Planets alignment or the great wheel in the sky whatever it was which brought them and their combined talents ALL together.

[Jana]

The more I think about it, this statement is pretty profound:

Perry's presence is not essential to Journey's success... but his legacy is.

Because of that fact, Journey is truly one of the most successful tribute bands of all time.

It's a "fact" in the heads of nutballs. While the argument can be made that Perry's voice was a large part of Journey's success it wasn't the end all. They were all fantastic co-contributors to the music and I tend, out of logic, to give them all credit. Cain brought in Open Arms and Faithfully and was the chief architect behind DSB and Wheel In The Sky pre-dated Perry. Vocalists always get the majority of the credit and I'm ok with that. Perry was hand picked by Herbie or he'd probably have never been afforded the luxuries he's now enjoying. My point is that everyone deserves credit. And there's nothing with that.

Because then they would have to say VICE VERSA: Journey's presence is not essential to Steve Perry's solo success... but ITS legacy is.

[Jana]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

Good one, Giddy.

Some people wander off during new tunes. The vast majority stay. Just like with any band, no different. So they stay seated. They don't know the music yet. It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying a great singer with a great song.

[steveo777]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

Good one, Giddy.

Some people wander off during new tunes. The vast majority stay. Just like with any band, no different. So they stay seated. They don't know the music yet. It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying a great singer with a great song.

Everyone has their favorite bladder emptying songs or go grab another beer songs. Mine is Faithfully, or one of Jon's piano segways.

[Don]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

I'm actually a marksman with the rifle, I've even been given pretty little ribbons because of my skill. You're from Kentucky, how's your aim out on the firing range?

[Jana]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

Good one, Giddy.

Some people wander off during new tunes. The vast majority stay. Just like with any band, no different. So they stay seated. They don't know the music yet. It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying a great singer with a great song.

Everyone has their favorite bladder emptying songs or go grab another beer songs. Mine is Faithfully, or one of Jon's piano segways.

Faithfully? WTH? That song is part of me I love it so much. Mine would be Stone In Love. Could care less about that song, except Neal on guitar.

[Don]

It's a shame but when the new tunes are played, people either sit or wonder off to piss or get a drink. People only want to hear the old stuff.

This speaking for everyone has become epidemic. Is Voyager contagious? Funnily enough, I see videos of the new songs all the time and, surprisingly, the stands do not suddenly become empty and there are people standing.

You're about as accurate as Ray Charles at a shooting range.

Good one, Giddy.

Some people wander off during new tunes. The vast majority stay. Just like with any band, no different. So they stay seated. They don't know the music yet. It doesn't mean they aren't enjoying a great singer with a great song.

Everyone has their favorite bladder emptying songs or go grab another beer songs. Mine is Faithfully, or one of Jon's piano segways.

Faithfully? WTH? That song is part of me I love it so much. Mine would be Stone In Love. Could care less about that song, except Neal on guitar.

oPEN aRMS