The Emperor Has No Clothes! (post ur chicago thoughts)

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:29 pm

He just needs to lower his range..There are a lot of singers who don't have great voices, but are great singers...Bryan Adams comes to mind....He has ok voice, but tremendous singing ability, and he knows his limits...

I wish Perry would attempt this..I for one would NOT criticize him at all....Maturing is part of life. He can't help that..

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:01 pm

It was so nice to see him out and about at all the World Series games and then to be invited in the celebration.

I'm sure he'll be sounding better next time, with a band

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:12 pm

ohsherrie wrote:TNC, I'm just not up for arguing for the sake of the argument. I think you're being too harsh, you think I'm being too lenient, and ne'er the twain shall meet.

Then from now on, don't waste my time provoking arguments you clearly can't seem to finish.
Thank You.

by **yak** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:33 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:That. Was. Fucking. Horrible.

What else is there to say?

Thank god for Steve Augeri!

Voice of Reason No. 1

(Perhaps why Perry doesn't put out his own music anymore?)

Greggie wrote:I think people are over analyzing and taking this parade thing way out of proportion.

Voice of Reason No. 2

(Guess who will be talking this up months from now?)

Good Grief! What's with all the sugar shit sucking up on this board :?:

(Get a flucking room and take it elsewhere)

by **Andrew** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:34 pm

A point no one has made thus far - Perry in the past had no vocal limits. He was a GOD!

Now he is older and as happens with all poeple that get older, some limits come into play.

I'd love to see him do a new album, using whatever range appropriate for his age and abilities. It would still sound amazing I'm sure.

by **OpeningAct** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:35 pm

Andrew wrote:A point no one has made thus far - Perry in the past had no vocal limits. He was a GOD!

Now he is older and as happens with all poeple that get older, some limits come into play.

I'd love to see him do a new album, using whatever range appropriate for his age and abilities. It would still sound amazing I'm sure.

I'm guessing too, Andrew, that his World Series exposure would help sell some CDs as well.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:04 pm

Opening Act says:

I'm guessing too, Andrew, that his World Series exposure would help sell some CDs as well.

You're right!! The sales of Journey cds have been on the rise. This is how Journey's Greatest Hits is doing on Amazon:

Today: #139 in Music
Yesterday: #112 in Music

Those are great rankings. I'm not an expert, but I think with Perry getting the exposure, the current line-up of Journey wins too. With more cd sales and probably more concert ticket sales, even though Perry's not in the band.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:47 am

LAWoman wrote:The most interesting thing was when he said the WS had helped him emotionally and to get his life back together in some ways. I am hoping by that he means that he realized he doesn't have to sound like he did in the 80's in order to sing. And maybe he figured out he can talk to the media and the world without having to go through his lawyers to do it.

He seemed like he was having a lot of fun and the whole thing turned out to be very positive. I hope he continues to do more public things. I am sure he still has a lot to contribute to the world and to music.

..................................................

The voice of reason. Thank you Barb.

I enjoyed the hell out of it. The honor and glory of it all and how it will probably sell a lot o Classic Journey just so people can find out what the Steve Perry years were all about.

Anyone pick up Leonard Cohen's latest c.d? I think it was his latest. "Dear Heather." ........How do you spell unique? Perry will always be unique, no matter what key he sings in.

It was so grand, his having the time of his life and being so honored by the White Sox.

I've seen jealousy take some odd forms, but some of you people take the cake.

One or more of you post totally different on backtalk and it's twofaced to the extreme.

Has there been any bad press as to what reporters thought of the singalong?

by **perryfaithful** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:40 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
I've seen jealousy take some odd forms, but some of you people take the cake.

One or more of you post totally different on backtalk and it's twofaced to the extreme.

Has there been any bad press as to what reporters thought of the singalong?

There it is Hots! Jealousy! The Cause starting off with "thank god for Steve augeri" says IT ALL! Back to that old shit, his whole reason for existence...to make sure no one forgets Steve Augeri. Well, this was not about Steve Augeri. the White sox didn't invite him, may not even have heard of him and it would not matter HOW well or not Perry sang there or anywhere else.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:04 am

With the honor the team gave him, he deserves to get into the R&R HOF on his own merits with the guys as his sidemen. Maybe I'll e-mail the team to put in a good word, after all, one good turn deserves another. It's as fanciful as the White Sox asking him to be their good luck charm. Oh that's right, they did do that. I still can't get over the honor and glory of it all.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:20 am

perryfaithful wrote:There it is Hots! Jealousy!

That's a non sequitur.
It reminds me of teachers and their oft-cited attribution of the motives of bullies to "makes themselves feel better about themselves".
No, it doesn't.
On the rare occassion me or my friends belittled someone, we did so simply because it gave us a laugh.
Not to relieve any inner anguish or writhing mental torment.
Likewise, this thread was not indited out of any sense of jealousy.
Try again.

perryfaithful wrote:The Cause starting off with "thank god for Steve augeri" says IT ALL!

What it says is THANK GOD Neal and Jonathan tapped a guy who can actually sing the songs as intended.
As Perry's painful performance pellucidly demonstrated, his voice is shot completely and irrevocably to hell.

perryfaithful wrote:it would not matter HOW well or not Perry sang there or anywhere else.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that.

by **NealIsGod** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:32 am

Greggie wrote:I think people are over analyzing and taking this parade thing way out of proportion.

Of course. Since Perry has provided nothing else recently to analyze except his BG vox on the Pack CD, this is all there is to judge him by. It was bad, but what's done is done. Now Perry can go back to being a regular guy again, which is all he seems to want.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:41 am

NealIsGod wrote:Now Perry can go back to being a regular guy again, which is all he seems to want.

That's because he currently IS nothing more tha a regular guy, NIG.
Did you hear that gravelly dreck coming forth from his his throat on Friday?
That noise wouldn't even fly at drunken karaoke night.

by **thebook** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:42 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Greggie wrote:I think people are over analyzing and taking this parade thing way out of proportion.

Of course. Since Perry has provided nothing else recently to analyze except his BG vox on the Pack CD, this is all there is to judge him by. It was bad, but what's done is done. Now Perry can go back to being a regular guy again, which is all he seems to want.

"this is all there is to judge him by" - true, but why would anybody even try to critique his performance here, no band, no rehearsal, no sound check, no nothing, except a bunch of a baseball players that's he's telling the words to in between the vocals. clearly not a situation where you would expect anything from anybody, especially for a person who hasn't done anything in a long time.

by **NealIsGod** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:44 am

thebook wrote:why would anybody even try to critique his performance here, no band, no rehearsal, no sound check, no nothing, except a bunch of a baseball players that's he's telling the words to in between the vocals. clearly not a situation where you would expect anything from anybody, especially for a person who hasn't done anything in a long time.

Because he went to all of the World Series games, did interviews, and stood up in front of the whole city and sang. That doesn't give us the right to critique him?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:44 am

thebook wrote: why would anybody even try to critique his performance here, no band, no rehearsal, no sound check, no nothing, except a bunch of a baseball players that's he's telling the words to in between the vocals. clearly not a situation where you would expect anything from anybody, especially for a person who hasn't done anything in a long time.

If Perry felt that the setting or the situation did not meet his standards or compliment his vocals, then he could have very easily refused to sing.
It certainly wouldn't have been the first time.

by **thebook** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:50 am

NealIsGod wrote:
thebook wrote:why would anybody even try to critique his performance here, no band, no rehearsal, no sound check, no nothing, except a bunch of a baseball players that's he's telling the words to in between the vocals. clearly not a situation where you would expect anything from anybody, especially for a person who hasn't done anything in a long time.

Because he went to all of the World Series games, did interviews, and stood up in front of the whole city and sang. That doesn't give us the right to critique him?

right? why would that give you any right, critique him if you want. if that is your basis for critiquing him, that's pretty sad. now if he just started to tour, then sure, an analyze would definitely be valid, but to analyze the guy at a world series celebration is absurd.

by **NealIsGod** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:52 am

thebook wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
thebook wrote:why would anybody even try to critique his performance here, no band, no rehearsal, no sound check, no nothing, except a bunch of a baseball players that's he's telling the words to in between the vocals. clearly not a situation where you would expect anything from anybody, especially for a person who hasn't done anything in a long time.

Because he went to all of the World Series games, did interviews, and stood up in front of the whole city and sang. That doesn't give us the right to critique him?

right? why would that give you any right, critique him if you want. if that is your basis for critiquing him, that's pretty sad. now if he just started to tour, then sure, an analyze would definitely be valid, but to analyze the guy at a world series celebration is absurd.

I am not basing my entire opinion of the current state of his voice on it, but is sounded shitty. The guy puts himself up there for the world to see and hear, we can talk about it here. I am sure they can make him sound decent in the studio.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:55 am

thebook wrote:right? why would that give you any right, critique him if you want. if that is your basis for critiquing him, that's pretty sad.

No, it's really not.
Steve Perry is renowed for his musical punctiliousness.
The guy is a perfectionist.
If Perry felt that the setting in any way did not meet his standards he could have refused to sing.

by **thebook** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:00 am

NealIsGod wrote:
thebook wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
thebook wrote:why would anybody even try to critique his performance here, no band, no rehearsal, no sound check, no nothing, except a bunch of a baseball players that's he's telling the words to in between the vocals. clearly not a situation where you would expect anything from anybody, especially for a person who hasn't done anything in a long time.

Because he went to all of the World Series games, did interviews, and stood up in front of the whole city and sang. That doesn't give us the right to critique him?

right? why would that give you any right, critique him if you want. if that is your basis for critiquing him, that's pretty sad. now if he just started to tour, then sure, an analyze would definitely be valid, but to analyze the guy at a world series celebration is absurd.

I am not basing my entire opinion of the current state of his voice on it, but is sounded shitty. The guy puts himself up there for the world to see and hear, we can talk about it here. I am sure they can make him sound decent in the studio.

fair enough.

by **thebook** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:05 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
thebook wrote:right? why would that give you any right, critique him if you want. if that is your basis for critiquing him, that's pretty sad.

No, it's really not.
Steve Perry is renowed for his musical punctiliousness.
The guy is a perfectionist.
If Perry felt that the setting in any way did not meet his standards he could have refused to sing.

of course it is. don't you think the situation here is unique, the guy likes baseball, they use a song he sings on and co-wrote as their rallying song. they invite him to the world series, the team actually wins for the first time in what? 80 years. and before the cubs no less. C'mon.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:17 am

You are just pissed that Generations wasn't promoted. Is'nt it going down on the charts? If he's stated that Journey had a new c.d. called Generations, and plugged it a bit, you'd all be saying that he was just having a hell of a good time and sounded fit for the occasion. Eat your hearts out. :lol:

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:20 am

heardonthestreet wrote:You are just pissed that Generations wasn't promoted. Is'nt it going down on the charts? If he's stated that Journey had a new c.d. called Generations, and plugged it a bit, you'd all be saying that he was just having a hell of a good time and sounded fit for the occasion. Eat your hearts out.

I am sorry Hots..I just can't respond anylonger...Seriously, if this is your Super Bowl, then I am truly sorry for you. This was a nice little event and the fact that we have 3 pages is certainly ascinide.

Moving on now...............

by **sadie65** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:25 am

As an observer of this thread....wow.

We have the response of jealousy, when there is clearly no indication by the remarks that anyone was/is jealous of anything.

We have the usual "sides" of he sounded great...all things considered...to he sounded like...well...excrement.

Somewhere in between, we have people trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

You know what, it doesn't change anything. He accepted a request to appear. How he prepped for it, how he sounded, what will he do now....water under the bridge now.

It was a moment in time that made some White Sox players happy, made him happy, and will be as quickly forgotten.

If he decides to do more...great. If not, then it was a great time for him and we can all keep our memories of it...good or bad.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:33 am

sadie65 wrote:
If he decides to do more...great. If not, then it was a great time for him and we can all keep our memories of it...good or bad.

Well, if dude would put out something, at least we could argue about something new, rather than 20 year old topics. Perry, I command you, to get off your lazy, fat ass, and record a CD....

by **ohsherrie** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:01 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
thebook wrote:right? why would that give you any right, critique him if you want. if that is your basis for critiquing him, that's pretty sad.

No, it's really not.
Steve Perry is renowed for his musical punctiliousness.
The guy is a perfectionist.
If Perry felt that the setting in any way did not meet his standards he could have refused to sing.

OK, it's a new day and now I'm up for the argument.

TNC, why can't you see the difference between a concert environment and the expectations thereof, and a guy having a good time with the team he went there to support? If he had intended to sing the song as if he were performing on stage I'm sure he'd have done some preparation, but that obviously wasn't his goal. He didn't go to the games intending to perform the song, he just went because they asked him to, and maybe with the possibility in mind that he would lead the crowd in a sort of chant of the song. The man hasn't performed in public for years and went there cold. He got on that stage Friday because he'd told the guys he'd sing the song if they won the series. THAT'S ALL! . I don't know of any performer, whether it's Steve Augeri, Dennis DeYoung, or Josh Grobin, that could have done any better under those exact circumstances.

What the hell does his range have to do with it? Why are you so hung up on that? Are the only singers you like the ones that can hit the high notes? Of course he can't hit them like he used to, NO ONE can hit them like he used to. Augeri may be able to sing in a higher range than Steve can right now, but he doesn't hit those notes like Steve used to. As to Steve Perry being able to perform the Journey material in the same key in which it was written, I'd much rather hear him sing them in whatever key he chooses and sound like Steve Perry, than hear anyone else sing them and sound like someone else trying to sound like Steve Perry.* That's not meant as a slam on Augeri's vocal ability in general. He sounds good doing some of the band's new material that I've heard, but he's no Steve Perry, at any age or vocal range.

Please quit trying to be such a pisser by making this event that we should all be able to enjoy for what it was into a Perry vs Augeri fight.

*(That wasn't directed at you Jeremy, I recognize your work for the theatrical tribute that it is, and you do it very well.)

by **sadie65** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:49 am

From the Chicago Sun-Times...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/worldser ... sox30.html

All who are believin' love Sox' Journey

October 30, 2005

BY SCOTT FORNEK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement

Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'" is no-frills, workmanlike and forces listeners to wait way too long for the payoff. In other words, it's the perfect anthem for the scruffy Chicago White Sox.

Even more than "Mullet Night" or 270-pound Bobby Jenks' beer-barrel torso, the song captures the essence of the South Side hit men.

The Sox embraced the early '80s arena rock song this year in their successful quest to win the city's first World Series since 1917.

The tortured a cappella rendition that Journey's Steve Perry and team members forced fans to endure at Friday's rally was only marginally better than what the 1970s era band recorded years ago.

The song was released in 1981, but it didn't make that year's live double album, "Captured." Maybe it wasn't released in time. Or maybe they decided to spare us back then. The band did include it in its 1988 Greatest Hits album.

But that wasn't enough to get Ozzie Guillen to join in on Friday.

The White Sox manager said he didn't know the words when Perry, A.J. Pierzynski, Joe Crede and Aaron Rowand led the rest of the team and the crowd in a sing-a-long to close the rally.

Yet another smart move, Ozzie.

The song is not exactly an ode to winning or teamwork or -- well, just about anything else that makes any sense. Why it grabbed the Sox' attention is a greater mystery than what Paul Konerko will be doing next season.

The tune lasts four minutes and eight seconds, and you've got to wait three minutes and 20 seconds to hear the optimistic title line. The rest deals with small town girls living in lonely worlds, midnight trains, cheap perfume, smokey rooms, strangers dancing, movies that never end, people walking down boulevards and shadows and "streetlight people" searching for something or other.

Not exactly 35th and Shields --except for the smokey rooms and cheap perfume part.

Perry did change the birthplace of the male hero from south Detroit to South Chicago on Friday. But it's not clear what happens to the South Chicago guy -- or the small town girl. Hitting notes a bit higher in 1981, Perry sang that "some will win, some will lose" and "it goes on and on and on and on and on."

Then again, those are indeed words a Sox fan and South Sider know only too well.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:53 am

LOL..Great writers you got there in Chicago. What a moron. How can you write something without knowing the facts. --

"it wasn't good enough to be included on the double live Captured?" Dude, it was released a year after Captured.

..A complete joke.

by **LAWoman** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:04 am

sadie65 wrote:From the Chicago Sun-Times...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/worldser ... sox30.html

All who are believin' love Sox' Journey

You do have to kind of wonder why the Sox got all into "Don't Stop Believin'". Wasn't "Monster" just last year when the song was the backdrop for serial killer? Perry was also all involved in that one too. I can't figure him out. He gets all behind these public projects, but he gets mysterious and "private" when someone wants to know if he will show up for the Hollywood WOF. Maybe things like Monster and the WS will get him over whatever keeps him so elusive about directly Journey-related things.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:47 am

ohsherrie wrote:OK, it's a new day and now I'm up for the argument.

Great. Then go reply to the cogent points I made yesterday that you cowardly abandoned.

ohsherrie wrote:TNC, why can't you see the difference between a concert environment and the expectations thereof, and a guy having a good time with the team he went there to support?

How come he didn't sing and have a good time at the Herbie roast with his fellow bandmates? How come he couldn't head in the studio and have a good time briefly laying down some vocals for the box set? Perry never needed a reason for not singing before. Why should this non-concert event be viewed any different. If he knew he wasn't up to par, then he should've saved himself the embarassment and abstained (like he has done so many times previously).

ohsherrie wrote:If he had intended to sing the song as if he were performing on stage I'm sure he'd have done some preparation, but that obviously wasn't his goal. He didn't go to the games intending to perform the song, he just went because they asked him to, and maybe with the possibility in mind that he would lead the crowd in a sort of chant of the song.

So? He still sounded like shit and I am entitled to say so. What of it?

ohsherrie wrote:The man hasn't performed in public for years and went there cold. He got on that stage Friday because he'd told the guys he'd sing the song if they won the series.

Hurry up. This is boring. Perry sounded like shit on Friday. Nothing you say can change that. Everyone(Herbie,Andrew, Me, Deano Monker) said he no longer had range and he didn't. His high voice is now discordant and grating.

ohsherrie wrote:THAT'S ALL! . I don't know of any performer, whether it's Steve Augeri, Dennis DeYoung, or Josh Grobin, that could have done any better under those exact circumstances.

DeYoung and Augeri have retained beatiful voices. Perry's is shot to shit.

ohsherrie wrote:What the hell does his range have to do with it? Why are you so hung up on that?

Because the song "Don't Stop Believing" requires range to sing. Perry no longer has his high range and ergo, sounded like shit singing it. Do I need to draw u a picture?

ohsherrie wrote:Are the only singers you like the ones that can hit the high notes?

Even on the merits of a barritone Perry sounded like shit on Friday. Tenor, barritone-whatever. It was just plain bad singing.

ohsherrie wrote:Of course he can't hit them like he used to, NO ONE can hit them like he used to. Augeri may be able to sing in a higher range than Steve can right now, but he doesn't hit those notes like Steve used to.

Augeri does a damn fine job, but I digress. What does this have to do with the fact that Perry can't sing Journey songs anymore? Your argument is all over the fucking proverbial polemical map! Go back to sleep.

ohsherrie wrote:As to Steve Perry being able to perform the Journey material in the same key in which it was written, I'd much rather hear him sing them in whatever key he chooses and sound like Steve Perry, than hear anyone else sing them and sound like someone else trying to sound like Steve Perry.

He didn't even sound like Steve Perry. He sounded so haggard that he was unrecognizable. Reardon prolly sounds better singing DSB at the town karaoke bar.

ohsherrie wrote:That's not meant as a slam on Augeri's vocal ability in general. He sounds good doing some of the band's new material that I've heard, but he's no Steve Perry, at any age or vocal range.

Bullshit. Current Augeri is eons above what Perry is today.

ohsherrie wrote:Please quit trying to be such a pisser by making this event that we should all be able to enjoy for what it was into a Perry vs Augeri fight.

Perry sounding like shit vindicated Neal's decision to pick someone more talented to continue to front this great American rock band. That's not a pissing match, that's just stating the obvious. Don't like it? Go pound sand.

MR

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