Arrival Rules

[Ehwmatt]

Talking about ROR being synth heavy- Suzanne, Eyes of a Woman, Once you love somebody, It Could've Been You- also, lots of synth bass. These are all superb songs, but the synths and syth basses date the material.

Ah, yes. I can't imagine the songs any other way though. Especially Suzanne/Once You Love Somebody.

And yeah, Never Too Late was a great track. Can't believe they left it off the promo copies they gave out at shows and then never played it live (to my knowledge).

[stevew2]

Tard, Never Too Late is one of the better tracks on that abysmal CD.

Pride of the Family sucks.

Yeah, I gotta agree. Never Too Late is a GREAT track. Why wouldn't anybody like that?
Pride of the Family is crap.

I never liked the guitar part, it annoyed the fuck out of my ever time i heard it

[FishinMagician]

Arrival WAS a great album, but ONLY after they adjusted the track list. I had the pre-released version and it was SLEEPY.
I wonder if they'll ever officially release "I'm not that Way". It was on the early version, but they pulled it off the final version. Not a bad track actually.
Without the rockers, that album would've been only as good as TBF. With the rockers it blows it away. I prefer Arrival to ROR actually. However, the good tracks on ROR are amazingly good, but there are some sleepers there. I think because Arrival was a heavy keyboard/synth album that it kind of dates the sound. I played the shit out of all their albums, so maybe my hindsight is cloudy.

I also liked Generations with the exception of Cain and Valory's tracks. I was always a big fan of "In Self Defense" and was actually psyched that they re-recorded it.

Key/synth heavy? Which songs? Most of the songs have Cain on piano.

And for the person asking about the Family track, I think they're referring to the Cain cut "Pride of (in?) the Family," which wasn't on the American release. Japanese only maybe? Possibly Jap/Euro. And yes, not a good track.

and on cain's CD

[YoungJRNY]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

[brywool]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

we'll all drive over to his house and back you up.

[Rockindeano]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

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Dude, let me clue you in. Arrival SUCKS. The CD, the vocals, the name, all of it. Let the douche have have it.

[Liam]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

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Dude, let me clue you in. Arrival SUCKS. The CD, the vocals, the name, all of it. Let the douche have have it.

Dude...gotta go against you on this one. Arrival was a great effort with a new lead singer. A little Ballad-heavy at times...but still a great album. I'll rank this over TBF any day.

[YoungJRNY]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

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Dude, let me clue you in. Arrival SUCKS. The CD, the vocals, the name, all of it. Let the douche have have it.

I don't know Dean, Arrival really held it's own and had a nice strong foot dug into the ground. With the replacement of Perry, they were on the ropes of not coming off too strong lyrical and vocal wise..with that amount of pressure I think they delivered. Of course they could of been better, but what they put out was by all means good enough.

[Rockindeano]

So over produced. Hell, Higher Place which is a good song on the CD, has to have the second guitar replaced by Friga's Keyboard and to me it sounds circusy.

All the Way is shit. Signs is good. But what's left? Syrupy shit, save for To Be Alive and Never too Late.

Sucks. TBF is thrice the record this is.

[AlienC]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

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Dude, let me clue you in. Arrival SUCKS. The CD, the vocals, the name, all of it. Let the douche have have it.

BWAHHAhahahahah, Gotta go with you seeing as how they had already screwed the pooch as far as the original concept line-up that HH had in mind originally.

IMNHO, TBF should have just been a song title, and ARRIVAL the reunion project name. But, hey, I'm disgruntled.

So over produced. Hell, Higher Place which is a good song on the CD, has to have the second guitar replaced by Friga's Keyboard and to me it sounds circusy.

All the Way is shit. Signs is good. But what's left? Syrupy shit, save for To Be Alive and Never too Late.

Sucks. TBF is thrice the record this is.

That's because the songwriting team on TBF is not to be messed with.

There's something about that combination that writes some serious shit.

[Liam]

So over produced. Hell, Higher Place which is a good song on the CD, has to have the second guitar replaced by Friga's Keyboard and to me it sounds circusy.

All the Way is shit. Signs is good. But what's left? Syrupy shit, save for To Be Alive and Never too Late.

Sucks. TBF is thrice the record this is.

Never Too Late was on Generations, dude.
The ballads are great (aside from All The Way) plus ya got the rockers like World Gone Wild. Ya don't have many (that are good) on TBF. One More and Message Of Love are pretty much all ya got on there.

[Andrew]

Arrival was great. I like it as much as Trial By Fire.

Still too heavy on the ballads, but so were both albums.

Journey HAS TO ROCK on this new album. I'm not overly optimistic.

[Ehwmatt]

TBF and Arrival are great records if you just take them as they are. They aren't Frontiers with the proggy/hard rock elements, they're generally the more AC side of Journey which is just as good for me. Maybe they're a little ballad heavy, but that's fine, I'll play them when I'm in a ballady mood.

[mistiejourney]

All this talk of Arrival got me to thinkin' that I need to get that damn CD off this asshole who I let borrow. Never seen it since. I'm pissed. Def. my favorite album to date..mostly every song lifts you up (the rock of course) and ballads such as With Your Love, Signs of Life, and Kiss Me Softly were jipped off of radio time. Come to think of it, Arrival had many songs that could of made airtime. Solid album for sure.

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Dude, let me clue you in. Arrival SUCKS. The CD, the vocals, the name, all of it. Let the douche have have it.

Dude...gotta go against you on this one. Arrival was a great effort with a new lead singer. A little Ballad-heavy at times...but still a great album. I'll rank this over TBF any day.

TBF was very melancholy. What still strikes me to this day about Arrival is how positive the lyrics are and how up-beat the tone is. I never heard the ballad-heavy version, and think there is a nice blend in the US release. And Neal! Damn - there are GEMS of his on that record!!!!!!

[Rockindeano]

TBF was a masterpiece.

Look, it doesn't "have to rock hard" to be good. That album, TBF, has a maturity that oozes gold. perry is so fucking good on that he just makes you want to romanticize, have a glass of wine, make love and watch the stars. Seriously, that CD melts me. Still She Cries...majestic piano. Jon kicks ass there. That album is the only Journey album where you can rock, get deep, sway a bit, and be romantic. it has EVERYTHING, especially Perry.

[Vladan]

TBF was a masterpiece.

Look, it doesn't "have to rock hard" to be good. That album, TBF, has a maturity that oozes gold. perry is so fucking good on that he just makes you want to romanticize, have a glass of wine, make love and watch the stars. Seriously, that CD melts me. Still She Cries...majestic piano. Jon kicks ass there. That album is the only Journey album where you can rock, get deep, sway a bit, and be romantic. it has EVERYTHING, especially Perry.

Oh for sure. TBF without a doubt one of Journey's best albums, if not the best. WYLAW was nominated for a grammy - that will never happen again I can assure you. Just excellence with TBF, so many good songs. As Dean says "it has it all". For me, TBF appears to be the most complete Journey album next to! Frontiers the re-issue.

[Rockindeano]

Dude I like it, but let's be honest. frontiers had everything, and let's not forget, Journey was the biggest band along with E Street at the time in the world. What made TBF great for me, is Perry and the band came back together..and we didn't have the Net to tell us what was happening....

[Ehwmatt]

TBF was a masterpiece.

Look, it doesn't "have to rock hard" to be good. That album, TBF, has a maturity that oozes gold. perry is so fucking good on that he just makes you want to romanticize, have a glass of wine, make love and watch the stars. Seriously, that CD melts me. Still She Cries...majestic piano. Jon kicks ass there. That album is the only Journey album where you can rock, get deep, sway a bit, and be romantic. it has EVERYTHING, especially Perry.

The thing that "makes" TBF for me is how lush it sounds without sounding overproduced. Everything sounds crystal clear. Just the right amount of echo on Perry's vocals, perfect crisp piano, Neal's guitar tones all sound incredible, especially his clean tones, great drum sound. Everything sounds great and it's so layered. I honestly think it's one of the reasons you don't see them pull one or two more tracks besides the occasional MoL off of TBF for shows... it'd be pretty damn hard to replicate the sound of that album, aside from obviously not having Perry. If He Should Break Your Heart really shows how much the production on this album shines. Hard to believe the same band would let an album like Generations out that sounded like it was recorded in Eddie Van Halen's shitter room AFTER an effort like TBF 9 years before.

[Rockindeano]

You mention Perry's voice and Neal's tone. Has Neal ever been out of tone? That guy can learn Scotland's National Anthem on a bus from the UK in an hour, and be pitch perfect, yet he can't read music. yeah, he sucks And perry, that dude is basically Neal in Voice.

[stevew2]

TBF was a masterpiece.

Look, it doesn't "have to rock hard" to be good. That album, TBF, has a maturity that oozes gold. perry is so fucking good on that he just makes you want to romanticize, have a glass of wine, make love and watch the stars. Seriously, that CD melts me. Still She Cries...majestic piano. Jon kicks ass there. That album is the only Journey album where you can rock, get deep, sway a bit, and be romantic. it has EVERYTHING, especially Perry.

Sorry dude,"romanticize' .it melts you,You are sounding gay even puffing up the Queen, WHTF ???

[Ehwmatt]

Ever watched the YouTube clip of Neal's signature Les Paul demo? He's pretty funny towards the end when he's talking about the future lessons to come on his site (which never came). He's like (paraphrasing) "It's not gonna be a super brainy lesson like an Eric Johnson or Robert McGlaughlin because I actually don't know what I'm doing, I just play." To be that fuckin good...

[jrnyman28]

TBF was a masterpiece.

Look, it doesn't "have to rock hard" to be good. That album, TBF, has a maturity that oozes gold. perry is so fucking good on that he just makes you want to romanticize, have a glass of wine, make love and watch the stars. Seriously, that CD melts me. Still She Cries...majestic piano. Jon kicks ass there. That album is the only Journey album where you can rock, get deep, sway a bit, and be romantic. it has EVERYTHING, especially Perry.

True, it doesn't have to rock to be good. But it does have to rock for me to like it more. And have you listened to Perry's vocals through the headphones? I always said he was so emotive that it didn't matter how his vocal ability had changed...and then I heard the CD on my iPod! Dude, I KNOW why Perry is not singing anymore!

[jrnyman28]

Hard to believe the same band would let an album like Generations out that sounded like it was recorded in Eddie Van Halen's shitter room AFTER an effort like TBF 9 years before.

This I agree with! The sound on TBF IS incredible and I hope they return to that level of production or mix.

[Red13JoePa]

TBF was a masterpiece.

Look, it doesn't "have to rock hard" to be good. That album, TBF, has a maturity that oozes gold. perry is so fucking good on that he just makes you want to romanticize, have a glass of wine, make love and watch the stars. Seriously, that CD melts me. Still She Cries...majestic piano. Jon kicks ass there. That album is the only Journey album where you can rock, get deep, sway a bit, and be romantic. it has EVERYTHING, especially Perry.

HHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Boy.