ECLIPSE SUCKS

[S2M]

I am in utter awe of Eclipse's complete suckitude....put me down for Crap-tastic!!!!!

[Eric]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

[Red13JoePa]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

Yep.
All about one former singer or another.

[Ehwmatt]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

Yep.
All about one former singer or another.

Right, and everyone who voted against Obama is a racist (I think both of you did so, so maybe you can see the absurdity of your assertions here). Eclipse is a lukewarm, mediocre album. And it's because the songs simply aren't that strong, not because of Arnel (even though he did really blow live, he sounds good on the album).

I've played/given the album for/to a lot of people, casual and diehard fans alike. And none of them have come back to me saying it was awesome. Most of them have come back saying anything from "it's not that good" to "it's ok."

[Behshad]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

As do the positive ones !

[Greg]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. All negative reviews have an agenda.

[Michigan Girl]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Another one of the 1/3 has spoken. So what...next...k....thx.....bye.

Oh, and one more thing.....Neil hates you and wants you to die in a fire.

Dipshit. I thought Cain's very notable influence on Revelation was pretty damned good. Cain's piano melody on "Turn Down the World Tonight" was fantastic.

Neil telling Cain to get bent because it was his turn to have control, is what flushed this release down the crapper.

Now take his nuts out of your mouth long enough to try to read this post objectively.

I'll take that under advisement, but Eclipse does not suck for everyone. Most people like it. About 30 something percent, like yourself don't.
There must be a lot of fans gargling Neal's nuts.

Not everyone likes it, either!! If ^^^that number truly accounted for the
number of people who do not like this cd, sales would be through
the roof ...RWF is correct here ...nuts~mouth!!

[VirgilTheart]

The truth of the matter is that when it comes down to it, the quality of Eclipse or any other album out there, be it from Journey or any other band, is based on personal opinions. Financial success or lack thereof is irrelevant. Some of the best music out there is the music that very few people ever listen to, because it's not what's popular/being played on the radio, or the band making the music just isn't financially able to record a mass-produced album.

I for one love Eclipse. It's straight up my ally: darker, more progressive and lengthy. It's not a perfect album, admittedly, but it's still a great piece of work.

But hey, I'm not God. My word isn't law and I know full well my views on things relating to Journey are not very common. But at the same time, those hating on the album aren't God either. They just don't like the album. Some aren't fond of the album for rather shallow reasons, but it's their opinion just the same. And some aren't fond of it for logical and understandable reasons (even if I strongly disagree with said-reasons).

The odd thing is that to me, it seems most folks here are trying to base the album's success on financial standards, which is a foolish thing to do. We all already knew this wasn't going to sell nearly as well as any of the Perry albums did or even as well as Revelation did. There was very little media advertising for the album prior to its release and the singles chosen/new songs being played live on the USA tour are poor choices. 'City of Hope' drags on and is a bit bland, and 'Edge of the Moment' is much better suited to hear with headphones with the studio version than it is to be played live: all the little subtleties are next to impossible to hear live (i.e. Neal's wah-wah pedal on the chorus). 'Resonate' and 'Anything Is Possible' both would've been much smarter choices for singles and to be played live.

Personally, I base the album not on sales or numbers, but by the actual content. And that will always be something we all judge on with our own personal opinions. Some will hate it to bits, some will love it to no end.

[Eric]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

As do the positive ones !

I think to some extent that is true. Those of us who want a more Neal driven less ballad heavy album are very likely to enjoy this right off the bat....and want to enjoy it before even listening to it. Like pulling for it to be what we want and to succeed.

[Eric]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. All negative reviews have an agenda.

Anyone who says it sucks or is awful has an agenda. A review like Emwhatt's isn't agenda driven, nor is it totally negative.

There is a strong correlation to the people who don't want this Journey to succeed and their simplistic slam of Eclipse. Bottom line.

[onmyjrny]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

Yep.
All about one former singer or another.

Everything isn't always about Perry or Pineda. Most of it is about the actual songwriting and music.

[Jana]

I am in utter awe of Eclipse's complete suckitude....put me down for Crap-tastic!!!!!

Well, since a lot of the music you post is medocre and you laud it as great, I take this comment for what it's worth. LOL

[Michigan Girl]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. All negative reviews have an agenda.

Anyone who says it sucks or is awful has an agenda. A review like Emwhatt's isn't agenda driven, nor is it totally negative.

There is a strong correlation to the people who don't want this Journey to succeed and their simplistic slam of Eclipse. Bottom line.

I agree that there are some who have an agenda ...just like there are some "fans"
here with an agenda, but all negative reviews do not have an agenda ... that statement is false!!

[Eric]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

Yep.
All about one former singer or another.

Everything isn't always about Perry or Pineda. Most of it is about the actual songwriting and music.

A reasonable negative review of Eclipse might be: "A lot of the songs lack that the immediate Journey sounding melody". But musically speaking the album is tip-effin-top.

[Greg]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. All negative reviews have an agenda.

Anyone who says it sucks or is awful has an agenda. A review like Emwhatt's isn't agenda driven, nor is it totally negative.

There is a strong correlation to the people who don't want this Journey to succeed and their simplistic slam of Eclipse. Bottom line.

I agree that there are some who have an agenda ...just like there are some "fans"
here with an agenda, but all negative reviews do not have an agenda ... that statement is false!!

Exactly! There are at least a few of us who genuinely try to give the new line up a chance and have pointed out the positive things along with the negative things.

[RedWingFan]

Anyone who says it sucks or is awful has an agenda. A review like Emwhatt's isn't agenda driven, nor is it totally negative.

There is a strong correlation to the people who don't want this Journey to succeed and their simplistic slam of Eclipse. Bottom line.

Is "this" Journey that released Eclipse, the same "this" Journey that released Revelation? Seeing how the band members are the same?

Is my agenda a hatred for Pineda? I'm confused because like I've said many times, I liked a lot of Revelation and thought it had some brilliant moments. So if my criticism is "agenda driven" I must have missed the weekly "Anti-Journey newsletter"

I liked Revelation because of the music. When I listened to it the first couple spins. There were songs that I WANTED to hear again. I listened to Eclipse 3 times and found nothing that peaked my interest.

It's biased fans/listeners who will listen to the thing 10 times and try to find things to like. That's why I don't buy all the "you really have to dig deep" crap.

[Michigan Girl]

Anyone who says it sucks or is awful has an agenda. A review like Emwhatt's isn't agenda driven, nor is it totally negative.

There is a strong correlation to the people who don't want this Journey to succeed and their simplistic slam of Eclipse. Bottom line.

Is "this" Journey that released Eclipse, the same "this" Journey that released Revelation? Seeing how the band members are the same?

Is my agenda a hatred for Pineda? I'm confused because like I've said many times, I liked a lot of Revelation and thought it had some brilliant moments. So if my criticism is "agenda driven" I must have missed the weekly "Anti-Journey newsletter"

I liked Revelation because of the music. When I listened to it the first couple spins. There were songs that I WANTED to hear again. I listened to Eclipse 3 times and found nothing that peaked my interest.

It's biased fans/listeners who will listen to the thing 10 times and try to find things to like. That's why I don't buy all the "you really have to dig deep" crap.

I hate Revelation ...HATE IT!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I for one love Eclipse. It's straight up my ally: darker, more progressive and lengthy. It's not a perfect album, admittedly, but it's still a great piece of work.

Agreed.

[KenTheDude]

IT SUCKS.

An eloquent and well-rounded review there Sir. Your pararnts must be proud. Harvard?

LOL!!

[Arkansas]

The only good thoughts I have about Eclipse is that I saved $10 by not buying it.

It's $9 @ Sam's Club. I've seen it for $4.99 in a used bin.


later~

[RedWingFan]

The only good thoughts I have about Eclipse is that I saved $10 by not buying it.

It's $9 @ Sam's Club. I've seen it for $4.99 in a used bin.


later~

I'd probably drop $4.99 for it if it had decent packaging.

[Behshad]

IT SUCKS.

An eloquent and well-rounded review there Sir. Your pararnts must be proud. Harvard?

LOL!!

[S2M]

Ok people, here is the long and the short of it....

Like someone said above...I listened to it, and found nothing I wanted to hear again - save SAM and COH. The rest might as well been an instrumental effort from Neal; who insists on wanking 2x per song...I can understand why the Neal fans are jizzing while air guitaring...John creates somewhat interesting melodies, however, they have lost their "journeyness" over the past few years. I really don't know which market they were trying to tap into with this album, but I'd bet my life it was the fans that buy anything and everything.

I will admit, and Argus, Dave, Luvsaugeri can attest to this fact: I literally kicked the shit out of SA in '01. I have since discovered a new found respect for Steve...Arrival is better than both Arnel releases. I don't think that a majority of the people who have given negative reviews are basing things on comparing Arnel/SP - because if you ask them, I bet they loved Arrival. So it isn't because Ole Olfactory ain't making all the loons wet their Sasoons....

Arnel has power, and can channel Perry's tone. That's about it folks. I'm not about to delude myself into to thinking anything more. If the band really wanted to crawl out of the shadow of Perry, they would have kept Jeff....but they are a victim of their own 80s success....they need to play those hits we've all heard ad nauseum for 30 years, and we can't break away from our childish nostalgic urges....here's a clue, that cute 17 year-old redhead ain't gonna spread her legs for you in the backseat of your Chevy Cobalt because you are spinning OA in the ole iPod, Bunky.....

[Toph]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

This coming from a guy who thinks Dennis DeYoung's "Breathe Again" is the ultimate rock track.

No Bry - once again you're wrong.

I can just appreciate good music and Eclipse ain't it.

[Toph]

IT SUCKS.

An eloquent and well-rounded review there Sir. Your pararnts must be proud. Harvard?

Why waste words when those two cover it.

[Toph]

The negative reviews all have an agenda.

Nope. I loved Arrival and Revelation.

[Arkansas]

Just remember the standard rule - if you don't like it, it's because you "don't get it". No matter what it is. No matter where it is. - Ford trucks, asparagas, cheap beer, Libyan politics, living in Russia, or Eclipse - If you don't like it, then you just don't get it.


later~

[Ritchie]

Saying Eclipse "SUCKS" evokes "BAD KARMA"..... remember TANTRA is watching over you.

[Greg]

Ok people, here is the long and the short of it....

Like someone said above...I listened to it, and found nothing I wanted to hear again - save SAM and COH. The rest might as well been an instrumental effort from Neal; who insists on wanking 2x per song...I can understand why the Neal fans are jizzing while air guitaring...John creates somewhat interesting melodies, however, they have lost their "journeyness" over the past few years. I really don't know which market they were trying to tap into with this album, but I'd bet my life it was the fans that buy anything and everything.

When it comes down to it, Neal wanted his type of album, just like Perry did in '86. I kind of liken this album to what they put out in '83 with Frontiers. Actually, if you think about it, Revelation was supposed to be Pineda's Escape album, and Eclipse is the Frontiers album. If you're not getting the comparison, basically, Revelation was the return to the tried and true Journey "legacy" sound. Eclipse, of course, is the new, darker, heavier guitar type of music that a lot of Frontiers was.

The only thing is, if you're going into a "new" direction as a band, it needs to be a direction that is modernistic. Something that can blend in with today's style of rock. Eclipse doesn't do that unfortunately, although I will say a lot of today's new rock doesn't allow guitarists to shine on lead as much. I think I have said it before, but Journey should pay attention to bands like 30 Seconds To Mars or maybe even Evanescence (from the musical aspect.)

I will admit, and Argus, Dave, Luvsaugeri can attest to this fact: I literally kicked the shit out of SA in '01. I have since discovered a new found respect for Steve...Arrival is better than both Arnel releases. I don't think that a majority of the people who have given negative reviews are basing things on comparing Arnel/SP - because if you ask them, I bet they loved Arrival. So it isn't because Ole Olfactory ain't making all the loons wet their Sasoons....

^ This. Even though I was disappointed when Steve Perry left the band again in '97, I was very eager to hear what Steve Augeri brought to the band. I was just excited to hear that Journey was going to continue putting out new music. It still sounded enough like Journey to me to really get behind the band. "Remember Me" really got me excited, and I very much loved Arrival.

Arnel has power, and can channel Perry's tone. That's about it folks. I'm not about to delude myself into to thinking anything more. If the band really wanted to crawl out of the shadow of Perry, they would have kept Jeff....but they are a victim of their own 80s success....they need to play those hits we've all heard ad nauseum for 30 years, and we can't break away from our childish nostalgic urges....here's a clue, that cute 17 year-old redhead ain't gonna spread her legs for you in the backseat of your Chevy Cobalt because you are spinning OA in the ole iPod, Bunky.....

You know, some have suggested that people don't like this album because it isn't the same "Journey by numbers" album that Revelation was. That's a bunch of BS. I am actually in favor of this line up doing something completely new and outside of what Journey has done - but I think Eclipse missed the mark with that. Number one, the overall Hindu/Buddhist concept leaves a lot of us not being able to emotionally connect with the songs. Secondly, I LOVE the heavier guitar sound, but it's still dated in a lot of areas. I think Chain of love is on the right track in those regards, but overall, this is an album that many of you have said if released in '86, it would have been huge. Possibly so, but this ain't '86. If you wanted this album to be huge, you have to make music that fits in with today's rock (which is a small genre in itself.) Just my opinion though, but I hear bits and pieces of songs from several modern bands and think to myself that Journey could make a similar sounding song and still keep some resemblance of Journey in that sound and it would rock.

[steveo777]

Ok people, here is the long and the short of it....

Like someone said above...I listened to it, and found nothing I wanted to hear again - save SAM and COH. The rest might as well been an instrumental effort from Neal; who insists on wanking 2x per song...I can understand why the Neal fans are jizzing while air guitaring...John creates somewhat interesting melodies, however, they have lost their "journeyness" over the past few years. I really don't know which market they were trying to tap into with this album, but I'd bet my life it was the fans that buy anything and everything.

I will admit, and Argus, Dave, Luvsaugeri can attest to this fact: I literally kicked the shit out of SA in '01. I have since discovered a new found respect for Steve...Arrival is better than both Arnel releases. I don't think that a majority of the people who have given negative reviews are basing things on comparing Arnel/SP - because if you ask them, I bet they loved Arrival. So it isn't because Ole Olfactory ain't making all the loons wet their Sasoons....

Arnel has power, and can channel Perry's tone. That's about it folks. I'm not about to delude myself into to thinking anything more. If the band really wanted to crawl out of the shadow of Perry, they would have kept Jeff....but they are a victim of their own 80s success....they need to play those hits we've all heard ad nauseum for 30 years, and we can't break away from our childish nostalgic urges....here's a clue, that cute 17 year-old redhead ain't gonna spread her legs for you in the backseat of your Chevy Cobalt because you are spinning OA in the ole iPod, Bunky.....

Ok, I had to look for it, but there is the agenda. No fucking way Soto can out sing Pineda or is he right for the Journey sound.