Neal VS Jon

[danielb]

I was checking out the ticket prices for tonight's kick off show in Oklahoma. Outrageous. I guess Neal didn't go for the Holiday Inns this time either.

[Hollywood]

I was checking out the ticket prices for tonight's kick off show in Oklahoma. Outrageous. I guess Neal didn't go for the Holiday Inns this time either.

That place is tiny (3,000) compared to the other dates on the tour. Casino's pay well for these types of shows and it is a good warm up prior to going into the arenas.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I respectfully strongly disagree. Nothing Journey did 2015-2019 was at all interesting. Short setlist with little to no variation. The 2 shows I saw last year were the best I've seen from them since 2009.

Seen them three times since covid. Once with Marco and twice with Todd. Show length and setlist was about the same for all three. Good shows, but nothing to crow about. We are watching a band die a painful slow-motion death.

[jrnyman28]

An interesting interview with Carmine Appice on making new music.

"There's no money in songwriting anymore. There's no money in selling records. I've got all these gold records on the wall; nobody gets those anymore. And that's how you make money. The only way to make any money today is if you get a song on Netflix or you get a song in a movie," he explained. "That's the only way to get money. 'Cause the streaming business is ridiculously useless."

https://blabbermouth.net/news/carmine-a ... c-business

So, I wonder how they did with the Separate Ways placement on Stranger Things. Especially since Perry seemed to be the only one involved and the song is a new creation…

[danielb]

A shame that there is nothing new in the setlist for what is supposed to be something special (ie, their 50th anniversary tour). It also billed as the Freedom tour but one song from the album gets played and it's one of the weaker ones. You can tell there's very little interest in the band right now from the main guys. Show up and get paid seems to be the reasoning. Hope they didn't get into a fistfight onstage at least:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... dcf56.html

[SoonerThunder]

I was checking out the ticket prices for tonight's kick off show in Oklahoma. Outrageous. I guess Neal didn't go for the Holiday Inns this time either.

Yeah, that’s why I opted for Tulsa in March vs. Durant this weekend.

Although…with all the drama I am curious to see how it goes

[Eric]

A shame that there is nothing new in the setlist for what is supposed to be something special (ie, their 50th anniversary tour). It also billed as the Freedom tour but one song from the album gets played and it's one of the weaker ones. You can tell there's very little interest in the band right now from the main guys. Show up and get paid seems to be the reasoning. Hope they didn't get into a fistfight onstage at least:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... dcf56.html

GOOD: 22 songs and added Feeling that Way/Anytime
BAD: Only 1 Freedom tune and it’s not a fan fave.

[Eric]

I respectfully strongly disagree. Nothing Journey did 2015-2019 was at all interesting. Short setlist with little to no variation. The 2 shows I saw last year were the best I've seen from them since 2009.

Seen them three times since covid. Once with Marco and twice with Todd. Show length and setlist was about the same for all three. Good shows, but nothing to crow about. We are watching a band die a painful slow-motion death.

I felt the energy was outstanding. But where I’m coming from is the 2 shows I saw last year differed “decently” and had 20+ songs. The show I saw in 2017 had the same setlist as every other show that tour and was only 16 songs.

Great clip from the second show I saw: https://youtu.be/rVJ71NKGqFI And they opened with “Come Away with me”.

[Arkansas]

22 songs and added Feeling that Way/Anytime

Maybe rehearsal for when Gregg Rolie makes an appearance?

circa 1:30 => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuWG0pAlWLE


later~

[The_Noble_Cause]

I respectfully strongly disagree. Nothing Journey did 2015-2019 was at all interesting. Short setlist with little to no variation. The 2 shows I saw last year were the best I've seen from them since 2009.

Seen them three times since covid. Once with Marco and twice with Todd. Show length and setlist was about the same for all three. Good shows, but nothing to crow about. We are watching a band die a painful slow-motion death.

I felt the energy was outstanding. But where I’m coming from is the 2 shows I saw last year differed “decently” and had 20+ songs. The show I saw in 2017 had the same setlist as every other show that tour and was only 16 songs.

Great clip from the second show I saw: https://youtu.be/rVJ71NKGqFI And they opened with “Come Away with me”.

Differed decently how? Out of the 3 shows I saw, maybe 1 song choice was different. The band is not taking risks at all. I don't care about energy at this point. Ross is a founding member and deserves to be there. If they are going to be a legacy act (and they clearly are), then EMBRACE the legacy. Don't fill it with Neal's buddies from Hardline.

[Eric]

Differed decently how? Out of the 3 shows I saw, maybe 1 song choice was different. The band is not taking risks at all. I don't care about energy at this point. Ross is a founding member and deserves to be there. If they are going to be a legacy act (and they clearly are), then EMBRACE the legacy. Don't fill it with Neal's buddies from Hardline.

To be clear - it didn’t differ enough for my liking or as much as it should for a band with this catalog, but it was better than prior tours. I think it was 4 different songs (the second show played one more). They’ve rarely mixed it up enough on tour. The Under the Radar tour of 2002 they played the same exact set list the first half of the tour and then slightly changed it halfway through with no other changes until the very end. Had Red13 and only played 2/4 - never played “I Can Breathe” or “Walking Away from
The Edge” … ever.

I guess I would rather Valory be there than not, but I don’t really care and don’t know enough about music to hear a difference. And I don’t think Schon chose Jensen solely. I do prefer Deen-O over Smith.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And I don’t think Schon chose Jensen solely. I do prefer Deen-O over Smith.

In an interview with Deen, he said Neal at one point was trying to think up suitable bassists and he said "Hey, how about TJ?"

So there ya go....

Sums up the band perfectly.

No plan, no strategy, one half-assed decision after another.

[Monker]

Pretty obvious to me that they completely gave up on Freedom and that is why they are now doing the anniversary tour. Making it up as they go.

[Monker]

The radio station near me played the entire Red 13 EP prior to the concert. In fact they played Higher Place up to a week or so before JSS replaced Augeri.

I would gladly take those days back over the chaos, fighting, and general bullshit we have today.

[Eric]

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... dcf56.html

“Walks like a lady” and “Just the same way” last night.

The reaction I’ve seen from the crowd for “Dead or Alive” is no different than when they play something new so I’d play something new.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I would gladly take those days back over the chaos, fighting, and general bullshit we have today.

Same.

[ebake02]

I do prefer Deen-O over Smith.

Agreed, right now I’ll take Deen all day, Smith is one of favorite drummers but he was just phoning it on the last couple tours to collect his paycheck. Smith in his prime back in day is a different story though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Drama continues...

-Arnel said on Instagram "stop the tour."
__________________________________________________________

-In a not-so-thinly-veiled reply to Lady M and Neal's ongoing attacks, Arnel tweeted the following:

"all i know?
is #ivepaidmydues
so stop reminding me where i came from..coz it’s in my heart everyday..
you just don’t pay attention..im not a slave..im a human being like anybody else..#wrongiswrong #rightisright
that simple.."

"Im with the band to sing the legacy..if some of them are tired of me being with them,with all means,they can fire me anytime..
and don’t lecture me about spiritual BS..#walkthetalk"
_____________________________________________________________________
-Neal and his wife's shared account posted this earlier:

"We Love Gregg! Cain and the other guy in the band forgot where they came from
Neal hired both Cain and the other guy
Sad
Let's pray they learn spirituality someday"

[danielb]

Is this for real?

Why do they go on and on about Gregg? It would be nice with an appearance from him, but they make such a big deal about it one would be forgiven for thinking Perry was coming back.

It's not like the inclusion of Gregg Rolie will boost any ticket sales.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Is this for real?

Sadly yes. I don't know how to hyperlink to social media posts unfortunately.

All the pleading and whining about Gregg is amusing. If they hadn't fired Ross, they would already have another original member on-stage to celebrate the 50th.

[Archetype]

Definitely seems like Neal and “Lady M” are the problem in Journey.

[Andrew]

Yikes. How can anyone have passion for what they are doing on stage under such emotional pressure.

[Onestepper]

Drama continues...

-Arnel said on Instagram "stop the tour."
__________________________________________________________

-In a not-so-thinly-veiled reply to Lady M and Neal's ongoing attacks, Arnel tweeted the following:

"all i know?
is #ivepaidmydues
so stop reminding me where i came from..coz it’s in my heart everyday..
you just don’t pay attention..im not a slave..im a human being like anybody else..#wrongiswrong #rightisright
that simple.."

"Im with the band to sing the legacy..if some of them are tired of me being with them,with all means,they can fire me anytime..
and don’t lecture me about spiritual BS..#walkthetalk"
_____________________________________________________________________
-Neal and his wife's shared account posted this earlier:

"We Love Gregg! Cain and the other guy in the band forgot where they came from
Neal hired both Cain and the other guy
Sad
Let's pray they learn spirituality someday"

My goodness. If Arnel is getting that worked up and public about all of this, you know things are bad. How disrespectful is it for them to just refer to him as "the other guy"?

This has crossed into the abyss.

[Gideon]

Jesus Christ.

As a general rule for Journey, any side in a conflict that besmirches someone as genial and humble as Arnel Pineda is automatically morally inferior.

I had mixed feelings when this was merely Jon vs. Neal, but repeatedly being a dick to Arnel in public is enough to make it abundantly clear that Neal and Michaele are objectively the villains in this story, sorry Andrew.

Drama continues...

-Arnel said on Instagram "stop the tour."
__________________________________________________________

-In a not-so-thinly-veiled reply to Lady M and Neal's ongoing attacks, Arnel tweeted the following:

"all i know?
is #ivepaidmydues
so stop reminding me where i came from..coz it’s in my heart everyday..
you just don’t pay attention..im not a slave..im a human being like anybody else..#wrongiswrong #rightisright
that simple.."

"Im with the band to sing the legacy..if some of them are tired of me being with them,with all means,they can fire me anytime..
and don’t lecture me about spiritual BS..#walkthetalk"
_____________________________________________________________________
-Neal and his wife's shared account posted this earlier:

"We Love Gregg! Cain and the other guy in the band forgot where they came from
Neal hired both Cain and the other guy
Sad
Let's pray they learn spirituality someday"

[brywool]

If there is anything that will truly F*ck a singer, it's stress, anxiety, and having doubt about what you're bringing to the party thrown at you by your on team. Seriously- who in the AF is STUPID enough in that camp to heap shit on Pineda? Without him, it coulda been back to "Piano With a View" and "Beyond the Thunder". Decent easy-listening records (I guess) but they certainly won't keep you in Ferraris. The guy has given up everything to be there to support them. Sure, he's most likely making some good pay (hired gun, wages, I would imagine, though he's been there longer than any other vocalist) - but if they are sowing those seeds of doubt, he will have issues. The idiots that constantly pine for Perry's return certainly do not help his state of mind- and yet AP has said he'd love it. Anyone with ears knows that there's no way that can happen with these songs at these ages. It's not a slam, it's a fact. These guys need to take a break, iron out their bs (OFF LINE) and settle this ridiculousness.

[Loneman1]

In light of Arnel's new post, its time to end this. I know that's not gonna happen since the almighty dollar is still a huge pull, but FFS this is just beyond sad at this point. Neal and his wife really need to stop trying to vilify Arnel of all people, the one dude that is making all this possible trying to keep a smile on his face all the while. I'm sure he's put up with sooooo much crap over the years, especially if Neal is gonna keep reminding him over and over where he came from and how he's the one responsible for everything Arnel has. Like the man said, he's paid his dues and probably then some working with this particular band. If he walks, thats it. There simply isn't time to bring in yet another singer and rinse and repeat all this shit YET AGAIN. Is Neal gonna try to catch lightning in a bottle one more time now rapidly approaching his 70's, trolling TikTok for a singer this time???? Come the f*ck on. This is it, and its looking like its completely out of gas at this point.

The music will always remain to listen to, the concerts and bootlegs will always be available to remind us of the good ol' days, but the writing has been on the wall for a long time now. The Journey needs to come to an end.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This has crossed into the abyss.

Sadly and unbelievably it gets worse. One of Lady M's sock puppet accounts is now claiming AP is actually in the closet and is threatening to expose him.

https://twitter.com/Princes10232918

[Loneman1]

This has crossed into the abyss.

Sadly and unbelievably it gets worse. One of Lady M's sock puppet accounts is now claiming AP is actually in the closet and is threatening to expose him.

https://twitter.com/Princes10232918

I felt my IQ dropping the further down that page I scrolled.

[Archetype]

I know it’s pretty much impossible, but damn wouldn’t it be hilarious to see Neal get kicked out of Journey. I bet it would make Dennis DeYoung’s years of begging to be back in Styx look pretty mild.

[Archetype]

This has crossed into the abyss.

Sadly and unbelievably it gets worse. One of Lady M's sock puppet accounts is now claiming AP is actually in the closet and is threatening to expose him.

https://twitter.com/Princes10232918

I felt my IQ dropping the further down that page I scrolled.

Obviously just a dumb attention whore who actively enables and magnifies all of Neal’s worst characteristics.