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[Rockindeano]

Dean, after I quit wiping my eyes from your description of the founders with their curlers and tights and tea, I'm curious: what is so wrong with impeaching Bush? I don't get that. Why can't we impeach him, Cheney and Gonzales? Why is that a bad idea? How can we go on another 1 1/2 like this? Maybe, actually, Skylorde, Barb, GI Jim, St. John, and the rest are right and we are proven wrong. It would be awesome if everything turned out okay in the mideast the way they are planning. Why does every bit of intuition and common sense tell me that it isn't going to happen that way?

Why not Impeach? Because it won't solve anything. Look, everyone knows Bush, Cheney and the entire administration is corrupt..Rove, Gonzalez, et al. Why spend quality time in Congress, months and maybe a year, to rid these assholes, when the Congress can do the people's work instead? Impeaching these assholes will cost millions upon millions, and will be seen in the people's eyes as vindictive. The best way to handle these assholes is at the ballot box. It already has started with the Mid Terms, and likely will continue through 2008. Current polls show Dems at 54% approval and Republicans at 29%. The rest isn't sure. Politically, I am against it too. Now, if this were 2005, I would be for it, as Bush would still have a few years left in his term, but now, with the White House likely, naw, let em play....they are a lame duck administration.

[Skylorde]

Hmm. I dunno.
Maybe U.N. Inspectors like Hans Blix and Scott Ritter were actually telling the truth when they reported there were no WMDs in the lead up to war.

Ah yes, the same Scott Ritter who was arrested in 2001 for soliciting sex from a minor online? *very* credible source there, Good job!

BTW, this is the same Scott Ritter who accepted $400,000 from "Shakir Al-Khafaji", a Iraqi/American dude with clear ties to Saddam. Ritter was contracted to produce a documentary called "In Shifting Sands". It is worthy to note that Scott Ritter has admitted Al-Khafaji is/was very sympathetic to Saddam's regime and this documentary was to illustrate that. Ritter even went as far to say "The American Government is NOT going to like this film".

According to the non-partisan 9-11 Commission Report:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I Just can't LOL enough on this one.
Oh boy. Let me get out the ABC spelling blocks so I can spell it out for you.

A commission comprised of Democrats and Republicans to supposedly find the truth? Or do you think it might have something to do with two Presidents, one from each party, were likely equally culpable (read IGNORANT) in dismissing the signs leading up to 9/11. Anyone with a tad bit of logic can see why the far left AND far right accuse each other of smoothing over the rough spots of the report: to protect their man. Get it? Ah probably not.

The shape Clinton left the millitary in is best demonstrated by the quick, ginsu-like precison with which Baghdad was toppled.
21 days and minimal losses -Sounds damn good to me.

Ahhhh yes, more absurd falsehoods (predictable) and credit given where it clearly is not deserved.

Let's pluck a date from the timeline shall we? The Iraq war was officially kicked off on 3-20-2003, a full 18 months after 9/11. During those 18 months, the military went through a massive build up, especially (but not limited to) in areas of cruise missles. After we thoroughly pounded Baghdad from the air, an army of Palestinians with sling shots could have walzted into Baghdad and toppled the Republican guard.

Now, let's revert back to another one of your wild accusations. I had stated in a earlier thread all the Presidential candidates except Obama voted for the use of force. Predictably, you puked up some response stating I was wrong.

Let's refer to the biggest propaganda medium of the left, the NY times:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/politics/ ... TIONS.html

Just referring to Democrats who actually have a shot:

Biden: voted yes
Hillary Ramrod: voted yes
John "Ambulance Chaser" Edwards: Voted yes
Obama: Voted no

Before you begin your response by telling me Gravel and Kucinich voted no, please, spare me the drivel. These two stand about as much of a chance of getting the party nomination as Hillary does of becoming a porn star. That's like me tellng you Captain Crunch voted NO for the war and he's running!

Once again, your selective talking points, almost always taken out of context prove how shallow and weak your arguments are.

[lights1961]

Dean, after I quit wiping my eyes from your description of the founders with their curlers and tights and tea, I'm curious: what is so wrong with impeaching Bush? I don't get that. Why can't we impeach him, Cheney and Gonzales? Why is that a bad idea? How can we go on another 1 1/2 like this? Maybe, actually, Skylorde, Barb, GI Jim, St. John, and the rest are right and we are proven wrong. It would be awesome if everything turned out okay in the mideast the way they are planning. Why does every bit of intuition and common sense tell me that it isn't going to happen that way?

Why not Impeach? Because it won't solve anything. Look, everyone knows Bush, Cheney and the entire administration is corrupt..Rove, Gonzalez, et al. Why spend quality time in Congress, months and maybe a year, to rid these assholes, when the Congress can do the people's work instead? Impeaching these assholes will cost millions upon millions, and will be seen in the people's eyes as vindictive. The best way to handle these assholes is at the ballot box. It already has started with the Mid Terms, and likely will continue through 2008. Current polls show Dems at 54% approval and Republicans at 29%. The rest isn't sure. Politically, I am against it too. Now, if this were 2005, I would be for it, as Bush would still have a few years left in his term, but now, with the White House likely, naw, let em play....they are a lame duck administration.

thats the funnies shit I have seen and read all year... 300 investigations in 5 months is the peoples work??? ...their approval at lower than Bush---no benchmarks yet have been made cant agree on anything HARD..... too damn funny..


Rick

[Blondie]

Holy Crap Deano! Did you actually say that Hillary will get into office?

Absolutely. She is your next president, unless Rove smears her on lies and deception, but this time around, we got James Carville...He will nutralize that dirty sonofabitch Rove(who should be in jail).

Hell Yes! I want Hillary, and would work on her campaign if asked.

My bad, I didn't peg you for a manipulating/self-serving/whiney/bitchy loving kinda guy...LOL (Luv ya Deano! )

[NealIsGod]

Holy Crap Deano! Did you actually say that Hillary will get into office?

Absolutely. She is your next president, unless Rove smears her on lies and deception, but this time around, we got James Carville...He will nutralize that dirty sonofabitch Rove(who should be in jail).

Hell Yes! I want Hillary, and would work on her campaign if asked.

Can't wait to get my $50 back from you when she loses. You haven't forgotten, have you?

[Barb]

Here you go Dean!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sudw4ghVe8

[ohsherrie]

Sherry, George W. Bush brought back dignity to the United States Military. Dignity was AWOL during the Clinton years.

But Barry, where is the dignity in losing an unjust war? If he'd "stayed the course" when he was after Bin Laden until he got him, there may have been some dignity in that. There is no dignity in lying to the American people to justify his personal goal of getting Saddam Hussein and Iraq's oil and then completely botching it. There was no terrorism in Iraq until they went there to take advantage of the destabilization that Bush's folly caused. Where's the dignity in that?

That said, the dignity of the military means nothing me anyway compared to the dignity of the working class people of this country. They've lost a lot more than dignity.

[conversationpc]

That said, the dignity of the military means nothing me anyway compared to the dignity of the working class people of this country. They've lost a lot more than dignity.

Sorry to break it to you but the military are part of the working class.

[ohsherrie]

That said, the dignity of the military means nothing me anyway compared to the dignity of the working class people of this country. They've lost a lot more than dignity.

Sorry to break it to you but the military are part of the working class.

And they're about the only ones left working. All those poor kids went into the military because they couldn't get jobs, medical care benefits or an education any other way and all they got is dead or maimed.

[Barb]

That said, the dignity of the military means nothing me anyway compared to the dignity of the working class people of this country. They've lost a lot more than dignity.

Sorry to break it to you but the military are part of the working class.

And they're about the only ones left working. All those poor kids went into the military because they couldn't get jobs, medical care benefits or an education any other way and all they got is dead or maimed.

You know, I've had just about ENOUGH of the condescending bullshit attitude towards our military! My husband's SON is in the United States Air Force and is now back in Japan after spending 8 months in Iraq. He did not enlist for ANY of the demeaning reasons you listed.

[conversationpc]

And they're about the only ones left working. All those poor kids went into the military because they couldn't get jobs, medical care benefits or an education any other way and all they got is dead or maimed.

Where do you live? In the ghetto? The unemployment rate is historically low and so low that we are basically at full employment.

[ohsherrie]

And they're about the only ones left working. All those poor kids went into the military because they couldn't get jobs, medical care benefits or an education any other way and all they got is dead or maimed.

Where do you live? In the ghetto? The unemployment rate is historically low and so low that we are basically at full employment.

No I don't live in a fuckin' ghetto. I live in what used to be middle class America.

Where do you live, in Denial, USA?

Well, do you know that all of those hundreds of thousands of people who's unemployment and trade act benefits have expired are no longer counted on the Unemployment rolls that those figures come from?



Barb, not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.
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[Rick]

Here you go Dean!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sudw4ghVe8

Damn. Hot chick like that fawning over a frump like HRC. What the hell is the world coming to? (Buford T. Justice)

[Barb]

And they're about the only ones left working. All those poor kids went into the military because they couldn't get jobs, medical care benefits or an education any other way and all they got is dead or maimed.

Where do you live? In the ghetto? The unemployment rate is historically low and so low that we are basically at full employment.

No I don't live in a fuckin' ghetto. I live in what used to be middle class America.

Where do you live, in Denial, USA?

Well, do you know that all of those hundreds of thousands of people who's unemployment and trade act benefits have expired are no longer counted on the Unemployment rolls that those figures come from?



Barb, not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.
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Your superior tone doesn't give you credibility. Just sayin'.

[Red13JoePa]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

[Barb]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

[CatEyes]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Perhaps ohsherrie was not trying to portray our military as "hopeless losers"

Prehaps, she was just stressing the fact that many of our young people today do enroll in the military due to the need for money for education to get a job that currently it seems a lot of people are having probs finding

It could also be to receive training and develop job skills that will help many maintain their families back home.

And even if the pay isn't that good for some it is the only health insurance they can get.

This is not a slam on anyone, especially our troops

Just a statement of how many see it.

Barb, give your son a thank from me for what he is doing. I will continue to keep him and your entire family in my thoughts and prayers .......... even if you disagree with me

Cat

[conversationpc]

No I don't live in a fuckin' ghetto. I live in what used to be middle class America.

Where do you live, in Denial, USA?

Sounds like the home town of liberals afflicted with BDS.

Well, do you know that all of those hundreds of thousands of people who's unemployment and trade act benefits have expired are no longer counted on the Unemployment rolls that those figures come from?

Those who remain unemployed, with some exceptions, probably are not still looking for jobs. Those people should not be included in the unemployment statistics. I've been unemployed before and it's no picnic, but I was able to easily find work, even when the unemployment rate was nearly twice what it is now. This comes from someone who couldn't afford to go to a snobby, Ivy League-type school and get the greatest education in the world.

[Red13JoePa]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Perhaps ohsherrie was not trying to portray our military as "hopeless losers"

Prehaps, she was just stressing the fact that many of our young people today do

Then the semantic issue needs to be clarified, that issue between Sherrie's post which said "most" join out of hopeless and you saying she meant "many."

Pretty different.

Still respect OS' opinions but respectfully disagree.

[RedWingFan]

According to the non-partisan 9-11 Commission Report:

Attention to Terrorism: Clinton Administration

P 174: President Clinton "deeply concerned" about Osama Bin Ladin.

Does this mean he bit his lip extra hard over OBL????

P 101: President Clinton makes chemical, biological, and nuclear terrorism a priority.

A priority? Whew I feel better. A priority I'm guessing that was pretty damn low on the list. It doesn't specify "Top" does it? Guessing it ranked somewhere below "picking up a bottle of Spray-N-Wash" for a blue dress

P 109: Clinton Administration establishes "the Bin Ladin unit."

Is this the same unit that had him cornered dead to rights and was on the line asking for the go ahead to take him out and the administration told them to back off???? I think it probably is.

P 358: Clinton Administration's management of the last weeks of December 1999 was "the one period in which the government as a whole seemed to be acting in concert to deal with terrorism."

So he started getting his shit together for a couple of weeks during his 8 years. I was completely wrong about the guy

P 487: Clinton Administration successful in arresting al Qaeda members.

While OBL continued undisturbed on his perch over there in the middle east saying, "Damn better get back to the drawing board. Truck bombs don't bring the towers down"

Great research TNC, now can you tell me what documents were added in, and which walked out of the National Archive building in Sandy Berger's socks and underwear???????

[Skylorde]

Excellent Raiderfan.

The 9/11 Commission report is bogus on so many levels it's laughable. A colossal waste of time and taxpayer money.

Maybe that's why some liberals like it so much. Anything that involves large amounts of taxpayer money is ok in their book

[CatEyes]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/british-divorcee-marries-bin-laden-son/20070711073209990001

British Divorcee Marries bin Laden Son
By TARIQ PANJA,AP
Posted: 2007-07-11 09:12:29
Filed Under: World
LONDON (July 11) -- Omar bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader's fourth son, has married a British woman he met in Egypt last fall, British media and colleagues said Wednesday.


Jane Felix-Browne, 51, of northwest England, was in Egypt for medical treatment of multiple sclerosis, the Times and Sun newspapers reported. She told the newspapers she met the younger bin Laden while riding a horse near Egypt's Great Pyramid. She has three children by a previous marriage.

Felix-Browne is hoping to arrange a visa for her 27-year-old husband to visit Britain, but acknowledged it would be difficult."Because my husband's name is bin Laden he finds it very difficult to travel anywhere," she told The Sun.

"I just married the man I fell in love with -- to me he is just Omar," she told The Times. "I hope people will take a step back and think what it is like when they fell in love."

"He last saw his father in 2000 when they were both in Afghanistan," she said. "He left his father because he did not feel it was right to fight or to be in an army. Omar was training to be a soldier and he was only 19."

Felix-Browne said she has become Omar bin Laden's second wife, and is hoping to arrange a visa for her new husband to visit Britain, but acknowledged it would be difficult.

"Because my husband's name is bin Laden he finds it very difficult to travel anywhere," she told The Sun.

She divides her time between her homes in northern England and Jedda, Saudi Arabia.


Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL

Wonder where they sent the invitation for the father of the groom

[lights1961]

Excellent Raiderfan.

The 9/11 Commission report is bogus on so many levels it's laughable. A colossal waste of time and taxpayer money.

Maybe that's why some liberals like it so much. Anything that involves large amounts of taxpayer money is ok in their book

dont forget the waste of time...

[Saint John]

The people of the Middle East hate us NO less now than they have over the last oh....several hundred years. Thousands if you trace back to Europe. Anyway, the fact that they can DO something about that hatred on a much larger scale has only come about because the Clinton administration was asleep while these guys were running training camps right in front of everyone to see. There's even video to prove it. He is said to have laughed when he saw it. Real funny.

Did Sean and Karl tell you this? Bill Clinton did not laugh at Al Qaeda videos you idiot.

Secondly, you need to get out of Illinois, travel a little, see that there is more to Chicag, Champaign and Peoria. Isolationism is a closed way of thinking. America's strength has always lied in it's alllies. Sadly, we have flushed them away and really do not have friends in the world, and if you think or one minute we don't need allies, you need togoto school and turn off the EIB radio network for a bit.

What did President Clinton do when our soldiers were slaughtered in Mogadishu, when the WTC was bombed the first time and when our embassy was turned into rubble? Answer: NOTHING.

[conversationpc]

What did President Clinton do when our soldiers were slaughtered in Mogadishu, when the WTC was bombed the first time and when our embassy was turned into rubble? Answer: NOTHING.

Doesn't taking out an aspirin factory count for anything. Damn enemy aspirin!

[RedWingFan]

What did President Clinton do when our soldiers were slaughtered in Mogadishu, when the WTC was bombed the first time and when our embassy was turned into rubble? Answer: NOTHING.

Doesn't taking out an aspirin factory count for anything. Damn enemy aspirin!

Don't forget the cleaning guy that was working the night shift that was killed.

[conversationpc]

What did President Clinton do when our soldiers were slaughtered in Mogadishu, when the WTC was bombed the first time and when our embassy was turned into rubble? Answer: NOTHING.

Doesn't taking out an aspirin factory count for anything. Damn enemy aspirin!

Don't forget the cleaning guy that was working the night shift that was killed.

He was probably Osama's personal janitor.

[gtrplr1960]

Sherry, The dignity that I was talking about was the moral the troops gained after they had a president who was behind them. I was in the military in the 90's and alot of soldiers did not like who they were working for. As for the unjust part, the intel was in the hands of senators both republican and democrat. Take a look at the voting record on this. I understand it's not popular but you need to understand this _ there is no one on this website that sits in on the Presidential briefings everyday, none of you have access to CIA briefings or anything from the NSA. These are our opinions. I appreciate them and they backed up by the United States Military. If you want correct information on how the war is progressing, ask a soldier who has been there.

[Rockindeano]

I already won the argument in my mind, which is all I care about so,

That chick in the Hillary video gave me wood...especiallly in the classroom with the skirt and glasses.....Thanks Barb.

[RedWingFan]

I already won the argument in my mind, which is all I care about so,

About what? How Canada's the lap of luxury? How they have cheap drugs (cuz we do all the R&D)? They spend so much on that crap and have virtually 0 military strength. They know we have their backs. Remember the scolding your boy Don Cherry gave to Canada about all of this. He was right on. There was no argument. You stated your opinion and basically put your fingers in your ears sayin, "Lalalalalalala"