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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:33 am

HERO wrote:I thought that the bottom of the barrel had been scraped with the election of a former B movie actor, the mentally vacant Ronald Reagan.

So mentally vacant, he managed to win the cold war without firing a shot. By calling Communism what it is, EVIL! So vacant that his administration started Star Wars to render every missle the Soviet Union built useless and leave them too broke with no shield of their own. Yeah, vacant. :roll:
HERO wrote:Obviously Americans find it very amusing to elect the least worthy candidate, a joke lost on the rest of the world.

President Bush is far from perfect. There are many things I disagree with him on. At least campaigning for his first term, he had governed Texas somewhat successfully. McCain, Obama or Clinton have yet to govern or run anything except perhaps a lemonade stand in their youths. I know all that matters to you is Obama's name, and he's funded an anti-American preacher that by your posts, I'm sure you agree with.
HERO wrote:To allow the mentally challenged the right to vote does make you wonder! :D

The mentally challenged in this country are far better off than in whatever 3rd world nation you're in. :lol:
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:52 am

I thought that the bottom of the barrel had been scraped with the election of a former B movie actor, the mentally vacant Ronald Reagan.


Dude, you Don't have to agree with the mans politics but Mentally Vacant!!! What planet are you from? :roll:
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Postby Voyager » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:54 am

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Voyager wrote:I'm sure you could go into ANY church and grab a few three-minute soundbites and make the pastor out to be a lunatic. That's what they did to Obama's former pastor. They didn't grab the good sermons (which I'm sure there are plenty of)... they grabbed the controversial one.

Funny thing is, I've heard Martin Luther King sermons that say the exact same things that Obama's former pastor said (i.e. condemning the United States). I'm sure there are plenty of pastors who have condemned the United States for everything from its laws on abortion to its tolerance of homosexuality. It probably happens every week in churches all across the country... it just doesn't get aired on CNN.

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The whole basis of the church is to preach Black Liberation Theology. It's not a fluke, it's what the church stands for. Look it up.

I'd like to know if Barack Obama were a Republican and did not hold your same political beliefs if you would still be standing up and supporting this abomination of a "reverand". The man is despicable.


Supporting a reverend? LOL! I haven't been to church in years. I oppose organized religion with a passion. But I can assure you that I could find more white lunatic preachers than there are black ones. I don't judge people by the church they go to unless they are in an extremist group that forces the members to think and live a certian way. Obama is obviously not a member of any such church.

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Postby HERO » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:57 am

RedWingFan wrote:So mentally vacant, he managed to win the cold war without firing a shot. By calling Communism what it is, EVIL! So vacant that his administration started Star Wars to render every missle the Soviet Union built useless and leave them too broke with no shield of their own. Yeah, vacant. :roll:

Your fantasy world must be a great place to be. You won the Cold War? That's news to the rest of us 3rd world peasants. Communism was just a different ideology. I see that the irrational fear instigated by McCarthyism is alive and well. To call a group of people evil because they don't share your view is laughable. Tell me Obi Wan about this Star Wars shield to which you refer. Would it be a Death Star by any chance? The technology for such a system is not within the grasp of mankind at this time, and certainly wasn't a viable option in the 80's. Old Ronnie had watched too many sci-fi films!

RedWingFan wrote:President Bush is far from perfect. There are many things I disagree with him on. At least campaigning for his first term, he had governed Texas somewhat successfully. McCain, Obama or Clinton have yet to govern or run anything except perhaps a lemonade stand in their youths. I know all that matters to you is Obama's name, and he's funded an anti-American preacher that by your posts, I'm sure you agree with.

So now I'm a rascist? You'll be accusing me of being a Communist next. I'm not even going to entertain such nonsense. :roll:

RedWingFan wrote:The mentally challenged in this country are far better off than in whatever 3rd world nation you're in. :lol:

We are making progress at last. You are at least prepared to admit the existance of your mentally challenged citizens. 3rd world nation? I will have you know that we have running water and electricity here. You do not even know where I am. I could even be American for all you know. Where would that leave you "interesting" theory? :)
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Postby HERO » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:58 am

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Voyager wrote:I'm sure you could go into ANY church and grab a few three-minute soundbites and make the pastor out to be a lunatic. That's what they did to Obama's former pastor. They didn't grab the good sermons (which I'm sure there are plenty of)... they grabbed the controversial one.

Funny thing is, I've heard Martin Luther King sermons that say the exact same things that Obama's former pastor said (i.e. condemning the United States). I'm sure there are plenty of pastors who have condemned the United States for everything from its laws on abortion to its tolerance of homosexuality. It probably happens every week in churches all across the country... it just doesn't get aired on CNN.

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The whole basis of the church is to preach Black Liberation Theology. It's not a fluke, it's what the church stands for. Look it up.

I'd like to know if Barack Obama were a Republican and did not hold your same political beliefs if you would still be standing up and supporting this abomination of a "reverand". The man is despicable.


Supporting a reverend? LOL! I haven't been to church in years. I oppose organized religion with a passion. But I can assure you that I could find more white lunatic preachers than there are black ones. I don't judge people by the church they go to unless they are in an extremist group that forces the members to think and live a certian way. Obama is obviously not a member of any such church.

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Postby HERO » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:01 am

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I thought that the bottom of the barrel had been scraped with the election of a former B movie actor, the mentally vacant Ronald Reagan.


Dude, you Don't have to agree with the mans politics but Mentally Vacant!!! What planet are you from? :roll:

Oh come on, the poor guy was losing the plot. It is quite common amongst the elderly.
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Postby HERO » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:21 am

RedWingFan wrote:...his administration started Star Wars to render every missle the Soviet Union built useless and leave them too broke with no shield of their own...

I shall naturally require proof for ths grandiose claim. As far as I am aware there has never been a space bound platform that has successfully targeted and destroyed a missile in flight, let alone multiple targets. A test firing was made against a geostationary satellite. Rather embarrassingly the wrong satellite was hit. Yep, I'm impressed. Those damned Ruskies must have been quaking in their woolly boots. :D
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:29 am

Voyager wrote:But I can assure you that I could find more white lunatic preachers than there are black ones.


That isn't the point of what she was saying. She wasn't making a racial point of it other than to state that the name of the particular brand of theology they teach at that church is actually called "Black Liberation Theology".
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:33 am

HERO wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:...his administration started Star Wars to render every missle the Soviet Union built useless and leave them too broke with no shield of their own...

I shall naturally require proof for ths grandiose claim. As far as I am aware there has never been a space bound platform that has successfully targeted and destroyed a missile in flight, let alone multiple targets.

I said it was started! Point is Gorbie knew Reagan wasn't bluffing....Gorbie and the USSR collapsed before it was finished.
No one thought the Patriot missle would ever be possible either. :wink:
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Postby Karma » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:26 pm

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RedWingFan wrote:What happened to free will? :roll:

I do not recall demanding that you vote for Obama. I do not even recall demanding that you vote! :roll:

Infact judging by past performance there are far too many who shouldn't be allowed to vote. To Elect GWB once is astonishing, the man has the intelligence of a pretzel. To elect him twice is bordering on criminal. I thought that the bottom of the barrel had been scraped with the election of a former B movie actor, the mentally vacant Ronald Reagan. Apparently I was wrong. New depths were plumbed. At least Ronald Reagan had an excuse, his advancing years. What excuse is there for GWB? Obviously Americans find it very amusing to elect the least worthy candidate, a joke lost on the rest of the world. The President represents the American people both at home and abroad. Surely that is a position of the highest responsibliity and must be taken seriously. To allow the mentally challenged the right to vote does make you wonder! :D


There were many in government and the media who suspected Reagan's Alzheimer's began back in the late seventies. He couldn't even remember his lines. Nancy had to whisper them to him so he could repeat them. They both were caught more than once by the news microphones. The idiot used to push his "family values" agenda. This coming from a man who was divorced and whose children were not speaking to him at the time. They did come back aboard the family in time to remain in the will. Another America oddity. What was with flying his dead body back and forth from California to Washington DC. I think Reagan racked up more frequent flier miles that week than he did in the years after he left the White House.

Let us not forget during the vote for GWB's second term there were the "issues" with the votes in Florida that allowed him to win. A state which his brother governed. Go figure. :roll: GWB did not win the popular vote in that election.
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Postby Karma » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:31 pm

HERO wrote:
Barb wrote:Did you guys know that Obama intends to rid the world of nuclear weapons -- starting with the US? Ya, that's do-able. :roll:

Someone has to be a man (or woman) and state the blindingly obvious. No country in possession of nuclear weapons dare use them. So the threat of their use is irrelevent. They are a white elephant. They are so expensive, the money could be put to much better use. There is always the danger that a nuclear device could fall into the wrong hands, and the unimaginable could happen. If there were no bombs that scenario could not happen.

Someone has to take the first step, to show the way. It takes someone special to make the first move. That person should be applauded for lessening the risk to each and every one of us. Who knows, it could be the start of world peace. Is that not a worthy ideal?


A standing ovation for Obama. Let's give peace a chance. I am having a Reagan moment here, what is the name of that terrorist group that used nuclear weapons to attack Japan?
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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:04 pm

Karma wrote:
HERO wrote:
Barb wrote:Did you guys know that Obama intends to rid the world of nuclear weapons -- starting with the US? Ya, that's do-able. :roll:

Someone has to be a man (or woman) and state the blindingly obvious. No country in possession of nuclear weapons dare use them. So the threat of their use is irrelevent. They are a white elephant. They are so expensive, the money could be put to much better use. There is always the danger that a nuclear device could fall into the wrong hands, and the unimaginable could happen. If there were no bombs that scenario could not happen.

Someone has to take the first step, to show the way. It takes someone special to make the first move. That person should be applauded for lessening the risk to each and every one of us. Who knows, it could be the start of world peace. Is that not a worthy ideal?


A standing ovation for Obama. Let's give peace a chance. I am having a Reagan moment here, what is the name of that terrorist group that used nuclear weapons to attack Japan?


Beyond the pale, my friend...beyond the pale...

You write as if everything in the history of the United States has happened in a neat, easily definable bubble. You lack much in the way of context in your posts...
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Postby Voyager » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:09 pm

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Voyager wrote:But I can assure you that I could find more white lunatic preachers than there are black ones.


That isn't the point of what she was saying. She wasn't making a racial point of it other than to state that the name of the particular brand of theology they teach at that church is actually called "Black Liberation Theology".


We can thank our ancestors for that theology. They are the ones who made the black people slaves. It's only been a few years since blacks could ride in the front of buses. It may take a while for their religion to catch up with it. Heck, look at other religions... they are still condemning gays and prohibiting women from wearing makeup.

As far as that goes, what about the people who are sitting under the teachings of the Bible that promotes murdering gays and non-virgin brides? Does that make them murderous just because they have a pastor who teaches that kind of theology? I say that each person decides who he or she is influenced by. Thank God all the Catholics who sat under the influences of pedophile priests are not following their examples.

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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:21 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Karma wrote:
HERO wrote:
Barb wrote:Did you guys know that Obama intends to rid the world of nuclear weapons -- starting with the US? Ya, that's do-able. :roll:

Someone has to be a man (or woman) and state the blindingly obvious. No country in possession of nuclear weapons dare use them. So the threat of their use is irrelevent. They are a white elephant. They are so expensive, the money could be put to much better use. There is always the danger that a nuclear device could fall into the wrong hands, and the unimaginable could happen. If there were no bombs that scenario could not happen.

Someone has to take the first step, to show the way. It takes someone special to make the first move. That person should be applauded for lessening the risk to each and every one of us. Who knows, it could be the start of world peace. Is that not a worthy ideal?


A standing ovation for Obama. Let's give peace a chance. I am having a Reagan moment here, what is the name of that terrorist group that used nuclear weapons to attack Japan?


Beyond the pale, my friend...beyond the pale...

You write as if everything in the history of the United States has happened in a neat, easily definable bubble. You lack much in the way of context in your posts...


Until the do gooders understand that it is a dog eat dog world, the evil do'ers will keep on fighting.


I had sworn off replying to them, until the terrorist comment...couldn't let that one go...
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Postby Rick » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:37 pm

Karma wrote:
HERO wrote:
Barb wrote:Did you guys know that Obama intends to rid the world of nuclear weapons -- starting with the US? Ya, that's do-able. :roll:

Someone has to be a man (or woman) and state the blindingly obvious. No country in possession of nuclear weapons dare use them. So the threat of their use is irrelevent. They are a white elephant. They are so expensive, the money could be put to much better use. There is always the danger that a nuclear device could fall into the wrong hands, and the unimaginable could happen. If there were no bombs that scenario could not happen.

Someone has to take the first step, to show the way. It takes someone special to make the first move. That person should be applauded for lessening the risk to each and every one of us. Who knows, it could be the start of world peace. Is that not a worthy ideal?


A standing ovation for Obama. Let's give peace a chance. I am having a Reagan moment here, what is the name of that terrorist group that used nuclear weapons to attack Japan?


Another set of baiting posts by the Bobsie twins.

I wouldn't expect you to know the difference, but terrorism is perpetrated on unsuspecting individuals, unprovoked. The attacks on Japan were very much provoked and only retaliatory. You wear your ignorance like a badge of honor.
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Postby Rick » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:38 pm

AlteredDNA wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Karma wrote:
HERO wrote:
Barb wrote:Did you guys know that Obama intends to rid the world of nuclear weapons -- starting with the US? Ya, that's do-able. :roll:

Someone has to be a man (or woman) and state the blindingly obvious. No country in possession of nuclear weapons dare use them. So the threat of their use is irrelevent. They are a white elephant. They are so expensive, the money could be put to much better use. There is always the danger that a nuclear device could fall into the wrong hands, and the unimaginable could happen. If there were no bombs that scenario could not happen.

Someone has to take the first step, to show the way. It takes someone special to make the first move. That person should be applauded for lessening the risk to each and every one of us. Who knows, it could be the start of world peace. Is that not a worthy ideal?


A standing ovation for Obama. Let's give peace a chance. I am having a Reagan moment here, what is the name of that terrorist group that used nuclear weapons to attack Japan?


Beyond the pale, my friend...beyond the pale...

You write as if everything in the history of the United States has happened in a neat, easily definable bubble. You lack much in the way of context in your posts...


Until the do gooders understand that it is a dog eat dog world, the evil do'ers will keep on fighting.


I had sworn off replying to them, until the terrorist comment...couldn't let that one go...


Me either.
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:40 pm

Rick wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Karma wrote:
HERO wrote:
Barb wrote:Did you guys know that Obama intends to rid the world of nuclear weapons -- starting with the US? Ya, that's do-able. :roll:

Someone has to be a man (or woman) and state the blindingly obvious. No country in possession of nuclear weapons dare use them. So the threat of their use is irrelevent. They are a white elephant. They are so expensive, the money could be put to much better use. There is always the danger that a nuclear device could fall into the wrong hands, and the unimaginable could happen. If there were no bombs that scenario could not happen.

Someone has to take the first step, to show the way. It takes someone special to make the first move. That person should be applauded for lessening the risk to each and every one of us. Who knows, it could be the start of world peace. Is that not a worthy ideal?


A standing ovation for Obama. Let's give peace a chance. I am having a Reagan moment here, what is the name of that terrorist group that used nuclear weapons to attack Japan?


Beyond the pale, my friend...beyond the pale...

You write as if everything in the history of the United States has happened in a neat, easily definable bubble. You lack much in the way of context in your posts...


Until the do gooders understand that it is a dog eat dog world, the evil do'ers will keep on fighting.


I had sworn off replying to them, until the terrorist comment...couldn't let that one go...


Me either.


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Postby Voyager » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:01 am

The Boss backs Obama

(CNN) — Rocker Bruce Springsteen has endorsed Barack Obama for president.

“At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships,” said the New Jersey native, in a statement posted on his Web site Wednesday. “While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision… Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President.”

In February, Springsteen had resisted making a choice between Obama and Hillary Clinton, telling USA Today that "there are two really good Democratic candidates for president. I admire and respect them both enough to wait and see what happens."

But he praised Obama, who cited Springsteen as the person he would most like to meet in an interview with People magazine.

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," he told the paper. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? …”
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Postby Barb » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:19 am

Voyager wrote:The Boss backs Obama

(CNN) — Rocker Bruce Springsteen has endorsed Barack Obama for president.

“At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships,” said the New Jersey native, in a statement posted on his Web site Wednesday. “While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision… Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President.”

In February, Springsteen had resisted making a choice between Obama and Hillary Clinton, telling USA Today that "there are two really good Democratic candidates for president. I admire and respect them both enough to wait and see what happens."

But he praised Obama, who cited Springsteen as the person he would most like to meet in an interview with People magazine.

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," he told the paper. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? …”



Hey, so does Hamas! :roll:
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Postby Voyager » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:27 am

Barb wrote:
Voyager wrote:The Boss backs Obama

(CNN) — Rocker Bruce Springsteen has endorsed Barack Obama for president.

“At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships,” said the New Jersey native, in a statement posted on his Web site Wednesday. “While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision… Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President.”

In February, Springsteen had resisted making a choice between Obama and Hillary Clinton, telling USA Today that "there are two really good Democratic candidates for president. I admire and respect them both enough to wait and see what happens."

But he praised Obama, who cited Springsteen as the person he would most like to meet in an interview with People magazine.

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," he told the paper. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? …”



Hey, so does Hamas! :roll:


Good. Then maybe Barack can get a peace deal going for Israel where the other Presidents have failed.

That's one of the things Barack will do - help repair our standing in the world that George W. Bush has completely trashed.

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Postby Barb » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:34 am

Voyager wrote:
Barb wrote:
Voyager wrote:The Boss backs Obama

(CNN) — Rocker Bruce Springsteen has endorsed Barack Obama for president.

“At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships,” said the New Jersey native, in a statement posted on his Web site Wednesday. “While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision… Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President.”

In February, Springsteen had resisted making a choice between Obama and Hillary Clinton, telling USA Today that "there are two really good Democratic candidates for president. I admire and respect them both enough to wait and see what happens."

But he praised Obama, who cited Springsteen as the person he would most like to meet in an interview with People magazine.

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," he told the paper. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? …”




Hey, so does Hamas! :roll:




Good. Then maybe Barack can get a peace deal going for Israel where the other Presidents have failed.

That's one of the things Barack will do - help repair our standing in the world that George W. Bush has completely trashed.

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You think it is "good" that a terrorist group supports Barack Obama for President? I think that tells me all I need to know about you, dude. :roll:
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Postby Voyager » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:19 am

Barb wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Barb wrote:
Voyager wrote:The Boss backs Obama

(CNN) — Rocker Bruce Springsteen has endorsed Barack Obama for president.

“At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships,” said the New Jersey native, in a statement posted on his Web site Wednesday. “While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision… Over here on E Street, we're proud to support Obama for President.”

In February, Springsteen had resisted making a choice between Obama and Hillary Clinton, telling USA Today that "there are two really good Democratic candidates for president. I admire and respect them both enough to wait and see what happens."

But he praised Obama, who cited Springsteen as the person he would most like to meet in an interview with People magazine.

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," he told the paper. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? …”




Hey, so does Hamas! :roll:




Good. Then maybe Barack can get a peace deal going for Israel where the other Presidents have failed.

That's one of the things Barack will do - help repair our standing in the world that George W. Bush has completely trashed.

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You think it is "good" that a terrorist group supports Barack Obama for President? I think that tells me all I need to know about you, dude. :roll:


I hope everyone supports Barack Obama... even Jesus and Satan. LOL!

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Postby Karma » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:55 am

The comment was meant to provoke some thinking not name calling. I respect others point of view and do not resort to name calling and vulgarities simply because I do not agree with a point of view.

terrorism: the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion.
terroize: to coerce by threat or violence.

In 1945 the Japanese rejected the Potsdam Declaration. The United States did not get what they wanted. Truman then authourised use of the atomic bomb to coerce the Japanese into surrendering and giving the United States what they wanted. When the Japanese did not surrender after the first attack a second attack was authourised. Under the definition of terrorism this would qualify as a terrorist attack. Guess it depends on which country you are standing in as to the point of view.

The United States is not viewed favourable by many other countries. For decades they have been called the big bully on the block. It is time for the United States to stop invading other countries and trying to impose their form of government on others. The United States has a reputation of wanting their own way all the time. This has created animosity and hatred toward the United States. Now is the time for the United States to lay down their arms and extend the olive branch. Violence creates more violence. Talk with friends and enemies, learn to compromise and keep your nose out of other's business.
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Postby Rick » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:08 am

Karma wrote:The comment was meant to provoke some thinking not name calling. I respect others point of view and do not resort to name calling and vulgarities simply because I do not agree with a point of view.

terrorism: the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion.
terroize: to coerce by threat or violence.

In 1945 the Japanese rejected the Potsdam Declaration. The United States did not get what they wanted. Truman then authourised use of the atomic bomb to coerce the Japanese into surrendering and giving the United States what they wanted. When the Japanese did not surrender after the first attack a second attack was authourised. Under the definition of terrorism this would qualify as a terrorist attack. Guess it depends on which country you are standing in as to the point of view.

The United States is not viewed favourable by many other countries. For decades they have been called the big bully on the block. It is time for the United States to stop invading other countries and trying to impose their form of government on others. The United States has a reputation of wanting their own way all the time. This has created animosity and hatred toward the United States. Now is the time for the United States to lay down their arms and extend the olive branch. Violence creates more violence. Talk with friends and enemies, learn to compromise and keep your nose out of other's business.


And I suppose their attack on Pearl Harbor to coerce the U.S. into giving them oil would not be terrorism? You can spin it any way you like, it was not a terrorist act.

The animosity and hatred that is so prevalent today is by and large the fault of GWB. His reign is nearing it's end.
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:16 am

Karma wrote:The comment was meant to provoke some thinking not name calling. I respect others point of view and do not resort to name calling and vulgarities simply because I do not agree with a point of view.

terrorism: the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion.
terroize: to coerce by threat or violence.

In 1945 the Japanese rejected the Potsdam Declaration. The United States did not get what they wanted. Truman then authourised use of the atomic bomb to coerce the Japanese into surrendering and giving the United States what they wanted. When the Japanese did not surrender after the first attack a second attack was authourised. Under the definition of terrorism this would qualify as a terrorist attack. Guess it depends on which country you are standing in as to the point of view.

The United States is not viewed favourable by many other countries. For decades they have been called the big bully on the block. It is time for the United States to stop invading other countries and trying to impose their form of government on others. The United States has a reputation of wanting their own way all the time. This has created animosity and hatred toward the United States. Now is the time for the United States to lay down their arms and extend the olive branch. Violence creates more violence. Talk with friends and enemies, learn to compromise and keep your nose out of other's business.




With regard to Japan-

Japans emporer stated they would fight to the end Truman's advisers estimated a couple a hundred thousand US troops would die at a minimum and at least 400,000 Japanese civilians if we invaded. No-one could quite grasp the ramifications of the use of a nuclear bomb at that time- it didn't seem as cruel as at least 900,000 dead humans from a land invasion. That estimation might have been wrong but you see where it came from.

The fact that when we occupied Japan after the war, MacArthur showed mercy to the Japanese leadership, insisted that American troops show respect to Japaese civilians, and build Democratic institutions.

On a general note:
The Marshall Pan, was not bullying, naked pig ignorant self interest or war mongering nor was the Peace Corps, nor the Millenium Challenge accouts which has allocated a record amout of US govt fudinding to fight Aids in Africa. Nor was the Berlin Airlift, or NATO, or our public moral support (and behind the scenes arm twisting in favour of) of the hero dissidents in Eastern Europe in the early 1980's.

Nor is the fact that that private American citizens give a higher percetage of their personal revenue to overseas charities than any other country in the world .
These are but a few examples of good things the US has done overseas.

Yes the US makes alot of mistakes and does not come off well overseas all the time. Ive seen this first hand- and Ive read history books .
But I could pick out any other country, for example Britian- one which I admire greatly by the way- and dig up all sorts things from its history and make
up a horribly unfair characterization of it. That would be unfair. Perhaps some fair mindedess is needed from you too.
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Postby Rick » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:24 am

Here you go Karma, watch this to its end. :twisted:

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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:27 am

You guys are wasting your breath....er, keystrokes. :D
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Postby Rick » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:30 am

RedWingFan wrote:You guys are wasting your breath....er, keystrokes. :D


I agree. These two will run themselves off of this board eventually.
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:31 am

RedWingFan wrote:You guys are wasting your breath....er, keystrokes. :D


of course we are, but like burping and farting, typing in keystrokes is an activity which doesn't cost you anything and it makes you feel better after you have done it.
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Postby Rick » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:32 am

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:You guys are wasting your breath....er, keystrokes. :D


of course we are, but like burping and farting, typing in keystrokes is an activity which doesn't cost you anything and it makes you feel better after you have done it.


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