OT: U.S. Publically Admits Screw Up

[AlteredDNA]

Right, and the price of a gallon of gas has gone from about 95 cents a gallon to about $3.50 a gallon, and climbing, and that's not to even mention how ridiculously high EVERY thing else is!

...Exactly how is the price of gas Bush's fault...

For the record, I think W. is the kind of guy most people would actually have a good time having a beer with. It just doesn't change the fact that I think the guy has an IQ of about 8! I won't even get into his political decisions, because I think his record speaks for itself. The fact that this guy has one of the lowest approval ratings that ANY president has EVER had, in the history of our country, tells me that he's made more bad decisions than good ones, according to the vast majority of the American public!

...That is factually incorrect...

[RedWingFan]

Right, and the price of a gallon of gas has gone from about 95 cents a gallon to about $3.50 a gallon, and climbing, and that's not to even mention how ridiculously high EVERY thing else is!

...Exactly how is the price of gas Bush's fault...

1.) He dared to counterpunch after 9/11 resulting in the "war on terror"

2.) He's failed to beat the environmentalists and the Democrat party to drill in ANWAR and other offshore sites. So the Mexican's get the crude that's a stones throw away.

Gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001? Really?

[ohsherrie]

That would be your very narrow opinion. I don't personally know of anybody who has benefitted in any way from anything Bush has done. In fact, I know hundreds who have been hurt by his policies and know of thousands who have been.

But I'll ask once again, what would you have me give him credit for?

Let me turn it around a bit...If I were dumb enough to say that Clinton did not do even one good thing while he was in office, wouldn't you think I was a freaking nutjob? I hope so because that exactly what you are if you can't come up with even one minor thing.

If you think there's even a comparison to be made between the well-being of the majority of this country under Clinton and under this regime then you have a serious case of HSFUBASFYCSBTS. In fact I'd venture to say you may be completely blinded by it.

FYI, you do personally know one person who has benefited from something Bush has done...Me. My family income taxes have gone from 27.5% when Clinton was in office to 25% since Bush took office and, no, I'm not even close to being rich so don't try to pull the "Bush has only lowered taxes on the rich" card BS.

Oh, OK, we're back to the "good of the few outweighs the good of the many" POV. You got a tax cut while the national deficit and budget both went to hell and millions lost their jobs, but I should be grateful to Bush for it.
Bush did one good thing for a few people, how could I have misjudged him so?

[AlteredDNA]

Right, and the price of a gallon of gas has gone from about 95 cents a gallon to about $3.50 a gallon, and climbing, and that's not to even mention how ridiculously high EVERY thing else is!

...Exactly how is the price of gas Bush's fault...

1.) He dared to counterpunch after 9/11 resulting in the "war on terror"

2.) He's failed to beat the environmentalists and the Democrat party to drill in ANWAR and other offshore sites. So the Mexican's get the crude that's a stones throw away.

Gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001? Really?

1.) Wrong
2.) Closer

The average price of gas in May of 2001 was around $1.70 - higher even in some places...

Also, it was back in 2000 (Clinton still in office) when there were growing concerns about the rising price of gas - over 60% of the population was concerned about rising prices.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Right, and the price of a gallon of gas has gone from about 95 cents a gallon to about $3.50 a gallon, and climbing, and that's not to even mention how ridiculously high EVERY thing else is!

...Exactly how is the price of gas Bush's fault...

...

Folks these are the real reasons for the current gas prices. NOte that Iraq contributes to only ONE reason. Rest of it is more the fault of the green lobby the Chineese and democrats.

1) Chinese Demand and their 12% annual GDP growth. they are also killing grain prices, and other commodity prices. By the way , NE Asian fights over resouces are nothing new. It wasa contributor to the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905 and the original cause of Japanese - Chinese tenisons in the late 1930's. Here we go again

2) We havent built a refinery in the us in over 25 years. We got tons of oil, no way to process it fast enough

3) we wont do shale mining in the ROckies

4) We wont open Anwar

5) We wont use nuclear power , evnen though its cheap. This would enable us to shut down oil burning , gas burning plants

6) Venezuela and that clown down there

7) The Iraqi Oil reserves have been reserved for the Iraqi people and not seized by western oil companies (that I think right

8 a higher ethanol component to gasoline costs more

9) we hold a high strategic reserve - we need this for national security purposes

10) Gas tax is higher than Sh*t

Sorry ma'am just the facts. this is Friday reporting

[RedWingFan]

Let me turn it around a bit...If I were dumb enough to say that Clinton did not do even one good thing while he was in office, wouldn't you think I was a freaking nutjob? I hope so because that exactly what you are if you can't come up with even one minor thing.

If you think there's even a comparison to be made between the well-being of the majority of this country under Clinton and under this regime then you have a serious case of HSFUBASFYCSBTS. In fact I'd venture to say you may be completely blinded by it.

You didn't answer his question.

Oh, OK, we're back to the "good of the few outweighs the good of the many" POV. You got a tax cut while the national deficit and budget both went to hell and millions lost their jobs, but I should be grateful to Bush for it.
Bush did one good thing for a few people, how could I have misjudged him so?

The tax cuts benefitted millions of people, myself included. Where gov't failed is on the spending side, Congress and the Executive are at fault there. Bush is bit topheavy on the "compassionate" rather than "conservative" when it comes to spending. What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

[Enigma869]

...Exactly how is the price of gas Bush's fault...

W. is the CEO of the country, and like all other CEO's, when things aren't going well, he is ultimately responsible, no matter how much you want to defend his ineptness! I'm not an expert on OPEC, but I seen a direct correlation between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the meteoric rise of the price of gasoline! I'd like to hear your explanation of why gas prices are so high! The fact of the matter is that U.S. reserves are at a 15 year high, and driving is at almost a 15 year low (because of gas prices). Even with the increased supply and the diminished demand, gas is still rising 10 cents a week!

For the record, I think W. is the kind of guy most people would actually have a good time having a beer with. It just doesn't change the fact that I think the guy has an IQ of about 8! I won't even get into his political decisions, because I think his record speaks for itself. The fact that this guy has one of the lowest approval ratings that ANY president has EVER had, in the history of our country, tells me that he's made more bad decisions than good ones, according to the vast majority of the American public!

...That is factually incorrect... [/quote]


I'm not sure which part you're suggesting that is "factually incorrect". If you're referring to W. IQ of 8, I'll acquiesce to you that it's probably at least in double digits. If you're seriously suggesting that W. doesn't have one of the lowest approval ratings in the history of our country, you should check your own facts, Mr. "Factually Incorrect", because they're all over the place for you to look them up. Let me help you out with a link here...

http://www.attytood.com/2008/02/worse_t ... cor_1.html


Here are the numbers. Read them and weep!

Among Americans registered to vote, 18% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 78% disapprove.


That is just mind-blowing. How does it compare to other presidents? There's no comparison.

Nixon, as he was hounded out of office in August 1974, never dipped below the mid-20s.

Here's a pretty good compilation of poll numbers from Roper. To summarize the highlights:

Clinton low: 36 percent, May 1993 (early missteps like Zoe Baird)

George H.W. Bush low: 29 percent, August 1992 (recession)

Reagan low: 35 percent, January 1983 (recession)

Carter low: 28 percent, July 1979 (high gas prices)

Ford low: 37 percent, January 1975 (economy, Nixon pardon)

Nixon low: 23 percent, January 1974 (Watergate)

Johnson low: 35 percent, August 1968 (Vietnam)

Lowest ever? That would be Harry Truman during the Korean War, in February 1952, at 22 percent.

And so now George W. Bush has shattered a record that has stood for 55 long years, and there's not any one reason. It's everything, although I suspect that liberals would more likely say Iraq and torture, conservatives would say immigration and runaway spending, and everyone would now say the economy.

I have to admit that I am still ASTONISHED that ANYONE even attempts to defend this clown! Is he Hitler? Fuck no! Is he even a "good" president? Fuck no! Will historians view him as one of the worst presidents to ever occupy The Oval Office...ABSOLUTELY!


John from Boston

[AlteredDNA]

W. is the CEO of the country, and like all other CEO's, when things aren't going well, he is ultimately responsible, no matter how much you want to defend his ineptness! I'm not an expert on OPEC, but I seen a direct correlation between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the meteoric rise of the price of gasoline! I'd like to hear your explanation of why gas prices are so high! The fact of the matter is that U.S. reserves are at a 15 year high, and driving is at almost a 15 year low (because of gas prices). Even with the increased supply and the diminished demand, gas is still rising 10 cents a week!

Gin and Tonic Sky gave a pretty good summation a few posts up, but the bottom line is the President, any President, has very, very little to do with the price of gas. If you want me to provide more information, I'll be happy to.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

W. is the CEO of the country, and like all other CEO's, when things aren't going well, he is ultimately responsible, no matter how much you want to defend his ineptness! I'm not an expert on OPEC, but I seen a direct correlation between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the meteoric rise of the price of gasoline! I'd like to hear your explanation of why gas prices are so high! The fact of the matter is that U.S. reserves are at a 15 year high, and driving is at almost a 15 year low (because of gas prices). Even with the increased supply and the diminished demand, gas is still rising 10 cents a week!

Gin and Tonic Sky gave a pretty good summation a few posts up, but the bottom line is the President, and President, has very, very little to do with the price of gas. If you want me to provide more information, I'll be happy to.

Thank you, and I didnt even mention the fact that North Sea Oil reserves are at a low (the UK and Norway aren't exporting the way they used to even five years ago!

[ohsherrie]

The tax cuts benefitted millions of people, myself included. Where gov't failed is on the spending side, Congress and the Executive are at fault there. Bush is bit topheavy on the "compassionate" rather than "conservative" when it comes to spending. What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

Compassionate? You can't seriously expect me to think you mean that. Where and in what way has he shown any compassion?

Those tax cuts were for no reason other than helping out his corporate cronies and thereby falsly inflating the economic indicators. The ones that got down to the upper middle class were only so they could afford to buy more of the goods that his corporate cronies are having manufactured overseas by foreign workers and raise stock prices while it looked as if the people were out buying stuff on their earnings from those jobs in those falsly inflated employment numbers.

Edited to add: Yes I did answer his question in the kindest way possible.

[AlteredDNA]

I'm not sure which part you're suggesting that is "factually incorrect". If you're referring to W. IQ of 8, I'll acquiesce to you that it's probably at least in double digits. If you're seriously suggesting that W. doesn't have one of the lowest approval ratings in the history of our country, you should check your own facts, Mr. "Factually Incorrect", because they're all over the place for you to look them up. Let me help you out with a link here...

http://www.attytood.com/2008/02/worse_t ... cor_1.html

I apologize. I mis-read your original post to say that Bush had THE lowest approval rating ever. Others have had lower ratings.

You are right that Bush has had one of the lowest ratings ever. However, he's also had one of the highest ratings ever as well, FWIW.

I'm not familiar with attytood.com, although it appears to be a bit biased.

Here are some other numbers:
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/data_a ... roval.html

[RedWingFan]

The tax cuts benefitted millions of people, myself included. Where gov't failed is on the spending side, Congress and the Executive are at fault there. Bush is bit topheavy on the "compassionate" rather than "conservative" when it comes to spending. What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

Compassionate? You can't seriously expect me to think you mean that. Where and in what way has he shown any compassion?

The "compassion" of the largest spending increase on education (penned by the swimmer Sen. from Mass.)
along with other outrageous spending bills that came out of Congress that he failed to veto. I know the net effect is damaging to the country. It's liberalism that he cloaks as "compassion" since he first campaigned in 2000.

[Rockindeano]

What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

That's the last fucking thing we need, and I can tell you for certain, we ain't getting one. Hooray.

Conservatism is Fucked.

[RedWingFan]

What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

That's the last fucking thing we need, and I can tell you for certain, we ain't getting one. Hooray.

Certainly not in this cycle. We have to Socialists and a lib. Hooray for you.

Conservatism is Fucked.

Bobby Jindall in 2012 or 2016.

[ohsherrie]

The tax cuts benefitted millions of people, myself included. Where gov't failed is on the spending side, Congress and the Executive are at fault there. Bush is bit topheavy on the "compassionate" rather than "conservative" when it comes to spending. What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

Compassionate? You can't seriously expect me to think you mean that. Where and in what way has he shown any compassion?

The "compassion" of the largest spending increase on education (penned by the swimmer Sen. from Mass.)
along with other outrageous spending bills that came out of Congress that he failed to veto. I know the net effect is damaging to the country. It's liberalism that he cloaks as "compassion".

You have got to be kidding. I wish I thought you were. The scary thing is that you're not. OK, I hope your kids are attending one of those great schools that are benefitting from all of that compassion.

[RedWingFan]

The tax cuts benefitted millions of people, myself included. Where gov't failed is on the spending side, Congress and the Executive are at fault there. Bush is bit topheavy on the "compassionate" rather than "conservative" when it comes to spending. What we need is an unabashed conservative president.

Compassionate? You can't seriously expect me to think you mean that. Where and in what way has he shown any compassion?

The "compassion" of the largest spending increase on education (penned by the swimmer Sen. from Mass.)
along with other outrageous spending bills that came out of Congress that he failed to veto. I know the net effect is damaging to the country. It's liberalism that he cloaks as "compassion".

You have got to be kidding. I wish I thought you were. The scary thing is that you're not. OK, I hope your kids are attending one of those great schools that are benefitting from all of that compassion.

Do you not notice the "compassion" quotation marks?
Increased spending does not help school performance. Never has never will. That is the liberal solution for everything though. Competition is the only thing that will help government schools. But democrats defeated Bush's attempts at getting vouchers to his desk and forcing schools to compete. Yes the libs/democrats/teachers union won another one. Poor kids be damned.

[ohsherrie]

OK, to keep from allowing my exasperation with the.................. nevermind. In order to avoid making a comment that will undoubtedly be later construed to say I called all conservatives uninformed, ignorant or wife beaters, I'm leaving this discussion.

[Enigma869]

Gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001? Really?

I'm not sure where I ever said that gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001, because I never cited a year. I simply said during the Clinton administration. I can tell you, unequivocally, that gas was absolutely under $1.00 a gallon in 1999, during the Clinton administration, because I was shocked at how "cheap" I thought it was to gas up the Ford Explorer that I was driving, at that time.


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

I'm not sure where I ever said that gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001, because I never cited a year. I simply said during the Clinton administration. I can tell you, unequivocally, that gas was absolutely under $1.00 a gallon in 1999, during the Clinton administration, because I was shocked at how "cheap" I thought it was to gas up the Ford Explorer that I was driving, at that time.

Well feel free to blame Bush for gas going from 95 cents in '99 to $1.50 or whatever it was in 2001 and pardon Clinton for that 50% jump, even though Bush wasn't even in office. Makes about as much sense as anything else. Sorry, I assumed you would only blame Bush for his time in office.

But no, you didn't say during the Clinton adm. in you initial post.

Right, and the price of a gallon of gas has gone from about 95 cents a gallon to about $3.50 a gallon, and climbing, and that's not to even mention how ridiculously high EVERY thing else is!

For the record, I think W. is the kind of guy most people would actually have a good time having a beer with. It just doesn't change the fact that I think the guy has an IQ of about 8! I won't even get into his political decisions, because I think his record speaks for itself. The fact that this guy has one of the lowest approval ratings that ANY president has EVER had, in the history of our country, tells me that he's made more bad decisions than good ones, according to the vast majority of the American public!


John from Boston

[Andrew]

W. is the CEO of the country, and like all other CEO's, when things aren't going well, he is ultimately responsible, no matter how much you want to defend his ineptness! I'm not an expert on OPEC, but I seen a direct correlation between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the meteoric rise of the price of gasoline! I'd like to hear your explanation of why gas prices are so high! The fact of the matter is that U.S. reserves are at a 15 year high, and driving is at almost a 15 year low (because of gas prices). Even with the increased supply and the diminished demand, gas is still rising 10 cents a week!

Gin and Tonic Sky gave a pretty good summation a few posts up, but the bottom line is the President, any President, has very, very little to do with the price of gas. If you want me to provide more information, I'll be happy to.

Well, the vast majority of the Australian public ALSO blames GW for the gas price - me included.

[Saint John]

What a bunch of whining pussies. While I don't think the president has anything to do with the price of gas, even if he did who gives a shit? You don't like it? Fucking walk. It's good for you. Or ride a fucking bike. We have too many fat asses in this country as it is. Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

[AlteredDNA]

W. is the CEO of the country, and like all other CEO's, when things aren't going well, he is ultimately responsible, no matter how much you want to defend his ineptness! I'm not an expert on OPEC, but I seen a direct correlation between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the meteoric rise of the price of gasoline! I'd like to hear your explanation of why gas prices are so high! The fact of the matter is that U.S. reserves are at a 15 year high, and driving is at almost a 15 year low (because of gas prices). Even with the increased supply and the diminished demand, gas is still rising 10 cents a week!

Gin and Tonic Sky gave a pretty good summation a few posts up, but the bottom line is the President, any President, has very, very little to do with the price of gas. If you want me to provide more information, I'll be happy to.

Well, the vast majority of the Australian public ALSO blames GW for the gas price - me included.

Sorry to hear that, Andrew. It's a shame that most people do not truly understand what causes the price of gas, as well as many other commodities, to rise and fall.

Please understand that I am not trying to be sarcastic. I didn't understand a lot of global / market economy concepts for many years, until I decided to educate myself. You definitely aren't going to learn it in the daily media.

BTW, what is the current price of gas where you live in Australia?

[conversationpc]

If you think there's even a comparison to be made between the well-being of the majority of this country under Clinton and under this regime then you have a serious case of HSFUBASFYCSBTS. In fact I'd venture to say you may be completely blinded by it.

Are you serious? YOU are accusing someone else of being blinded? That's not only the pot calling the kettle black...That's a freaking black hole of blackness.

FYI, you do personally know one person who has benefited from something Bush has done...Me. My family income taxes have gone from 27.5% when Clinton was in office to 25% since Bush took office and, no, I'm not even close to being rich so don't try to pull the "Bush has only lowered taxes on the rich" card BS.

Oh, OK, we're back to the "good of the few outweighs the good of the many" POV. You got a tax cut while the national deficit and budget both went to hell and millions lost their jobs, but I should be grateful to Bush for it.
Bush did one good thing for a few people, how could I have misjudged him so?

The few? The highest percentage of Americans are in the middle class unless you seriously believe that the majority of us are in the upper class? Everyone got a tax cut. EVERYONE.

Besides that, the national debt and deficit went up, not because of tax cuts, but because of federal spending. Tax revenues, DESPITE the cuts, have been at an all-time high. The spending, of which Bush is jointly to blame along with Congress, went up solely because those weasels spending my and our money in Washington.

YOU'VE received a tax cut since Bush has been in office and if you hadn't, that would be even more money taken out of your pocket, along with the increase in the cost of living. That's a benefit and it is a cold, hard fact.

[RedWingFan]

Or ride a fucking bike.

While wearing a hat with a propeller on it!

Think of the high price of gas as a blessing in disguise and quit the fucking belly aching. Personally, and I really mean this, I hope the price goes to $5 a gallon...or more.

Al Gore did say if he were president he would increase the gas tax to discourage use. Hmmm... you're on to something here.

[Rhiannon]

Gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001? Really?

I'm not sure where I ever said that gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001, because I never cited a year. I simply said during the Clinton administration. I can tell you, unequivocally, that gas was absolutely under $1.00 a gallon in 1999, during the Clinton administration, because I was shocked at how "cheap" I thought it was to gas up the Ford Explorer that I was driving, at that time.


John from Boston

I got my license in 2001 and remember distinctly paying under $1.00 for gas. .89 cents was the lowest I paid though the price remained around $1.15-1.30 for the longest time.

[Andrew]

Sorry to hear that, Andrew. It's a shame that most people do not truly understand what causes the price of gas, as well as many other commodities, to rise and fall.

Please understand that I am not trying to be sarcastic. I didn't understand a lot of global / market economy concepts for many years, until I decided to educate myself. You definitely aren't going to learn it in the daily media.

BTW, what is the current price of gas where you live in Australia?

No worries....well, pre-Bush it was as low as 70c a litre, normally around 80-90c/l = US$2.80- 3.00 gallon.

Now it is $1.50 litre... US$6.00 gallon.

[RedWingFan]

Gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001? Really?

I'm not sure where I ever said that gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001, because I never cited a year. I simply said during the Clinton administration. I can tell you, unequivocally, that gas was absolutely under $1.00 a gallon in 1999, during the Clinton administration, because I was shocked at how "cheap" I thought it was to gas up the Ford Explorer that I was driving, at that time.


John from Boston

I got my license in 2001 and remember distinctly paying under $1.00 for gas. .89 cents was the lowest I paid though the price remained around $1.15-1.30 for the longest time.

Not here in Michigan then again we probably have and extra 20% in taxes knowing this politically pitiful state.

[RedWingFan]

Sorry to hear that, Andrew. It's a shame that most people do not truly understand what causes the price of gas, as well as many other commodities, to rise and fall.

Please understand that I am not trying to be sarcastic. I didn't understand a lot of global / market economy concepts for many years, until I decided to educate myself. You definitely aren't going to learn it in the daily media.

BTW, what is the current price of gas where you live in Australia?

No worries....well, pre-Bush it was as low as 70c a litre, normally around 80-90c/l = US$2.80- 3.00 gallon.

Now it is $1.50 litre... US$6.00 gallon.

Hmmmm.... Funny how the world was told by libs the US went to Iraq to steal all their oil, that the price of gas here would also doubled. If that were true we would be paying the same as they pay in Kuait.

[conversationpc]

Well, the vast majority of the Australian public ALSO blames GW for the gas price - me included.

The price of gas probably has more to do with the falling value of the dollar than anything else. A big reason for that is that the Fed is printing too much money and because of the strength of the Euro.

[conversationpc]

Gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001? Really?

I'm not sure where I ever said that gas was 95 cents a gallon in 2001, because I never cited a year. I simply said during the Clinton administration. I can tell you, unequivocally, that gas was absolutely under $1.00 a gallon in 1999, during the Clinton administration, because I was shocked at how "cheap" I thought it was to gas up the Ford Explorer that I was driving, at that time.


John from Boston

I got my license in 2001 and remember distinctly paying under $1.00 for gas. .89 cents was the lowest I paid though the price remained around $1.15-1.30 for the longest time.

Not here in Michigan then again we probably have and extra 20% in taxes knowing this politically pitiful state.

I remember paying as little as $0.78/gallon not long after I moved to Indiana in '97.