It's all about Command & Control...

[NealIsGod]

Journey never really 'rocked' that hard though did they? I mean...they've been a bit girly since 1978...

Hello, Frontiers?

Oh sure..but it's not exactly Metallica is it? Most of the songs still have a pop element in there somewhere - and plus "Send Her My Love", "Faithfully" and "After The Fall" wouldn't scare anyone's parents would they?

That's what makes them great. They do it all. Metallica is a great rock band, but that is all they can do.

[Matthew]

Journey never really 'rocked' that hard though did they? I mean...they've been a bit girly since 1978...

Hello, Frontiers?

Oh sure..but it's not exactly Metallica is it? Most of the songs still have a pop element in there somewhere - and plus "Send Her My Love", "Faithfully" and "After The Fall" wouldn't scare anyone's parents would they?

That's what makes them great. They do it all. Metallica is a great rock band, but that is all they can do.

Yes, that's true.

[A Fire Inside]

Oh sure..but it's not exactly Metallica is it? Most of the songs still have a pop element in there somewhere - and plus "Send Her My Love", "Faithfully" and "After The Fall" wouldn't scare anyone's parents would they?

You don't have to be metal to 'rock'. Heck, even metal bands have their power ballads.

[Matthew]

Oh sure..but it's not exactly Metallica is it? Most of the songs still have a pop element in there somewhere - and plus "Send Her My Love", "Faithfully" and "After The Fall" wouldn't scare anyone's parents would they?

You don't have to be metal to 'rock'. Heck, even metal bands have their power ballads.

No, of course not. But I sometimes get a bit puzzled when Journey get criticized by some fans for being mellow or wimpy or saccherine or girly...as though somehow this isn't at least partly the point of a band like Journey.

[brywool]

U2 (yes, their new albums are successful...but "Pride", "With Or Without You", "New Year's Day" etc are the songs which most people want to hear.

No way. At the U2 show I went to, it was youngins and they wanted to hear Beautiful Day and Vertigo. The older stuff was lost on them.

U2 is a hell of a band and it's VERY cool that they can stay current. Journey should look into U2s management company. Without Herbie at the wheel, Journey's the friggin' Titanic. Their current management is crap.

[Matthew]

U2 (yes, their new albums are successful...but "Pride", "With Or Without You", "New Year's Day" etc are the songs which most people want to hear.

No way. At the U2 show I went to, it was youngins and they wanted to hear Beautiful Day and Vertigo. The older stuff was lost on them.

U2 is a hell of a band and it's VERY cool that they can stay current. Journey should look into U2s management company. Without Herbie at the wheel, Journey's the friggin' Titanic. Their current management is crap.

Ah..okay..things must have changed. I saw them on the Zoo TV tour and the crowd only responded to the big 80s rabble-rousers. But that might be due to the nature of the new material at that time.

[bionic]

LOL sorry, but being a 30-50 something female, I definately see the (Perry) sound and passion in Deen and the raw, sexy (Perry) energy in JSS.

I don't think I meant you in that line... I love going to BT but all the "Love and Prayer" threads and "Dreams of the Red Leather Pants" are starting to make me sick

Watch out my friend Sue and Cathy the moderators watch what people post here and they can get very upset with you when you post back there! Look at me i got suspended over the Kevin Chalfant post and the fact i said some people are in the know regarding what is really going on with the singer situation,plus they commented on my views on this site!!
Cheers Bionic

[Citygirl]

BT is all about command and control!

[Matthew]

LOL sorry, but being a 30-50 something female, I definately see the (Perry) sound and passion in Deen and the raw, sexy (Perry) energy in JSS.

I don't think I meant you in that line... I love going to BT but all the "Love and Prayer" threads and "Dreams of the Red Leather Pants" are starting to make me sick

Watch out my friend Sue and Cathy the moderators watch what people post here and they can get very upset with you when you post back there! Look at me i got suspended over the Kevin Chalfant post and the fact i said some people are in the know regarding what is really going on with the singer situation,plus they commented on my views on this site!!
Cheers Bionic

Are Sue and Cathy the raging AugeriLoons from the UK?

[knox]

U2's "...Atom Bomb" is a fantastic album and is very worthy of mainstream.

I like it every bit as much as War.

[brywool]

U2 (yes, their new albums are successful...but "Pride", "With Or Without You", "New Year's Day" etc are the songs which most people want to hear.

No way. At the U2 show I went to, it was youngins and they wanted to hear Beautiful Day and Vertigo. The older stuff was lost on them.

U2 is a hell of a band and it's VERY cool that they can stay current. Journey should look into U2s management company. Without Herbie at the wheel, Journey's the friggin' Titanic. Their current management is crap.

Ah..okay..things must have changed. I saw them on the Zoo TV tour and the crowd only responded to the big 80s rabble-rousers. But that might be due to the nature of the new material at that time.

Well, not many responded to Zoo or Pop. I would've wanted the old stuff too!

[bionic]

LOL sorry, but being a 30-50 something female, I definately see the (Perry) sound and passion in Deen and the raw, sexy (Perry) energy in JSS.

I don't think I meant you in that line... I love going to BT but all the "Love and Prayer" threads and "Dreams of the Red Leather Pants" are starting to make me sick

Watch out my friend Sue and Cathy the moderators watch what people post here and they can get very upset with you when you post back there! Look at me i got suspended over the Kevin Chalfant post and the fact i said some people are in the know regarding what is really going on with the singer situation,plus they commented on my views on this site!!
Cheers Bionic

Are Sue and Cathy the raging AugeriLoons from the UK?

Yes Cathy prays at the altar of Augeri the great

[jrnyman28]

U2's "...Atom Bomb" is a fantastic album and is very worthy of mainstream.

I like it every bit as much as War.

Now I thought "...Atomic Bomb" was a tired re-tread of "Achtung Baby"
But I certainly admire how the band has managed to remain viable all these years.

[Matthew]

LOL sorry, but being a 30-50 something female, I definately see the (Perry) sound and passion in Deen and the raw, sexy (Perry) energy in JSS.

I don't think I meant you in that line... I love going to BT but all the "Love and Prayer" threads and "Dreams of the Red Leather Pants" are starting to make me sick

Watch out my friend Sue and Cathy the moderators watch what people post here and they can get very upset with you when you post back there! Look at me i got suspended over the Kevin Chalfant post and the fact i said some people are in the know regarding what is really going on with the singer situation,plus they commented on my views on this site!!
Cheers Bionic

Are Sue and Cathy the raging AugeriLoons from the UK?

Yes Cathy prays at the altar of Augeri the great

Did you go to the UK convention she organised earlier this year? What an Augerifest that was....

[Liam]

Oh, before I forget....

Watched that fiasco, called the Beacon...Augeri is pounding his chest, trying to fool the audience of his emotional delivery.....Uh, dude, stop already.

I was watching the same thing last night after VH '83, and I was thinking that Ask The Lonely sounded rather "familiar". Anyone else catch this??? LOL
Sorry...couldn't resist.

[Big J]

Yes - Perry left them hanging on ther TBF tour. But surely the smart move would have been to ensure at all costs that they could record another album with Perry.

Why in the Blue Fuck would they want to record another lame-ass album with Perry??? Wasn't TBF enuff evidence for you that the Perry/Cain/Schon writing chemistry was gone??? Schon and Cain, and Journey for that matter, are better off staying as far away from Perry as possible![/b]

TBF was undoubtedly the weakest of all the Perry/Schon/Cain albums...but it's far superior to the soulless, sloppy, hook-free and badly-produced records that came after it.

If you're gonna sit here and tell me that Arrival is sloppy, soulless, badly-produced and hook-free, you may as well stop posting because it's the most idiotic thing I've heard in the whole time I've been on this board.

Atrtacking the post, not the poster. You haven't heard the fucking record, it's clear.

[Big J]

Oh, before I forget....

Watched that fiasco, called the Beacon...Augeri is pounding his chest, trying to fool the audience of his emotional delivery.....Uh, dude, stop already.

I was watching the same thing last night after VH '83, and I was thinking that Ask The Lonely sounded rather "familiar". Anyone else catch this???

Actually, no, I didnt. But everyone's ears hear different.

[Big J]

Journey never really 'rocked' that hard though did they? I mean...they've been a bit girly since 1978...

Hello, Frontiers?

Oh sure..but it's not exactly Metallica is it? Most of the songs still have a pop element in there somewhere - and plus "Send Her My Love", "Faithfully" and "After The Fall" wouldn't scare anyone's parents would they?

That's what makes them great. They do it all. Metallica is a great rock band, but that is all they can do.

Metallica sucks.

Though trying to envision Hetfield singing Faithfully is damned funny.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Yes - Perry left them hanging on ther TBF tour. But surely the smart move would have been to ensure at all costs that they could record another album with Perry.

Why in the Blue Fuck would they want to record another lame-ass album with Perry??? Wasn't TBF enuff evidence for you that the Perry/Cain/Schon writing chemistry was gone??? Schon and Cain, and Journey for that matter, are better off staying as far away from Perry as possible![/b]

TBF was undoubtedly the weakest of all the Perry/Schon/Cain albums...but it's far superior to the soulless, sloppy, hook-free and badly-produced records that came after it.

If you're gonna sit here and tell me that Arrival is sloppy, soulless, badly-produced and hook-free, you may as well stop posting because it's the most idiotic thing I've heard in the whole time I've been on this board.

Atrtacking the post, not the poster. You haven't heard the fucking record, it's clear.

AMEN!!! Yes, I am looking forward to things with JSS (if he is, in fact, "IN") but, album-wise ARRIVAL kicked TBF and most of ROR in the balls and sent them packing! In the Studio, Augeri gave us the goods. Live... I saw him 3 times pre-2006 and wasn't completely sold; he just didn't "Pull me into the show".

[brywool]

album-wise ARRIVAL kicked TBF and most of ROR in the balls and sent them packing! In the Studio, Augeri gave us the goods. Live... I saw him 3 times pre-2006 and wasn't completely sold; he just didn't "Pull me into the show".

Damn Straight! TBF was a crappy album. We waited ALL THAT time for that? There were a few good cuts on it, one that didn't make it on the US version (WHY?!?) Arrival was WAY better and Augeri did great on BOTH albums in my opinion.

[EightyRock]

Arrival a better CD that TBF??????????????????????????????? Uh...ok. Arrival had more sappy Cain wedding songs than any Journey album so far. At least TBF's slower songs had some soul. I'll take Message of Love and One More over that sappy piece of crap All the Way every time! There was no lead singer on Arrival. They all sang together like one big chorus. At least if they record with Soto, they'll have a lead singer. Maybe I would have liked Arrival better if Soto was singing some of it.

[Abitaman]

Augeri Era was singing Perry era songs.

The writing of the Augeri era couldn't make it on its own - hence the ongoing "Greatest Hits" tour.

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

Fans were bored, hum
On the Escape show I saw, fans got up during Who's Crying Now, Don't Stop.. Still They Ride
On frontiers tour, fans got up on Faithfully, Send Her My Love, and the "other new Songs"
On ROR anything that was on that cd, fans went to the bathroom, to get a drink.
Any new material that is not know, fans will use that time to get away.

So you there goes both ways-ERIC

[knox]

Augeri Era was singing Perry era songs.

The writing of the Augeri era couldn't make it on its own - hence the ongoing "Greatest Hits" tour.

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

Fans were bored, hum
On the Escape show I saw, fans got up during Who's Crying Now, Don't Stop.. Still They Ride
On frontiers tour, fans got up on Faithfully, Send Her My Love, and the "other new Songs"
On ROR anything that was on that cd, fans went to the bathroom, to get a drink.
Any new material that is not know, fans will use that time to get away.

So you there goes both ways-ERIC

Um... Okay. Thanks.

[A Fire Inside]

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

How the hell do you know, you never even saw them!

[knox]

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

How the hell do you know, you never even saw them!

Actually, I believe it was Jon Frigga who said this. Any other questions?

[NealIsGod]

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

How the hell do you know, you never even saw them!

Yeah, knox, you have no cred. Go post on a Scooby Doo board.

[knox]

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

How the hell do you know, you never even saw them!

Yeah, knox, you have no cred. Go post on a Scooby Doo board.

Jon Frigga said it.

And yes, I love Scooby, so that is not an insult.

[Matthew]

Yes - Perry left them hanging on ther TBF tour. But surely the smart move would have been to ensure at all costs that they could record another album with Perry.

Why in the Blue Fuck would they want to record another lame-ass album with Perry??? Wasn't TBF enuff evidence for you that the Perry/Cain/Schon writing chemistry was gone??? Schon and Cain, and Journey for that matter, are better off staying as far away from Perry as possible![/b]

TBF was undoubtedly the weakest of all the Perry/Schon/Cain albums...but it's far superior to the soulless, sloppy, hook-free and badly-produced records that came after it.

If you're gonna sit here and tell me that Arrival is sloppy, soulless, badly-produced and hook-free, you may as well stop posting because it's the most idiotic thing I've heard in the whole time I've been on this board.

Atrtacking the post, not the poster. You haven't heard the fucking record, it's clear.

I'm glad you enjoyed the album. I tried to - believe me - but I've long given up on that record. Just my opinion - so no need to get your knickers in a twist.

[Matthew]

Yes - Perry left them hanging on ther TBF tour. But surely the smart move would have been to ensure at all costs that they could record another album with Perry.

Why in the Blue Fuck would they want to record another lame-ass album with Perry??? Wasn't TBF enuff evidence for you that the Perry/Cain/Schon writing chemistry was gone??? Schon and Cain, and Journey for that matter, are better off staying as far away from Perry as possible![/b]

TBF was undoubtedly the weakest of all the Perry/Schon/Cain albums...but it's far superior to the soulless, sloppy, hook-free and badly-produced records that came after it.

If you're gonna sit here and tell me that Arrival is sloppy, soulless, badly-produced and hook-free, you may as well stop posting because it's the most idiotic thing I've heard in the whole time I've been on this board.

Atrtacking the post, not the poster. You haven't heard the fucking record, it's clear.

AMEN!!! Yes, I am looking forward to things with JSS (if he is, in fact, "IN") but, album-wise ARRIVAL kicked TBF and most of ROR in the balls and sent them packing! In the Studio, Augeri gave us the goods. Live... I saw him 3 times pre-2006 and wasn't completely sold; he just didn't "Pull me into the show".

The idea of Arrival kicking anything in the balls is just too ridiculous. It has more ballads than either TBF and ROR - and tracks like "All The Way" sound like a limp-wristed, boy band to me. Sure, there were some fairly decent AOR rockers on there - but the murky production did them no favours and let's be honest....these were just pastiches of 80s rock and Journey brought nothing new to the table in 2001.

It's beyond me how anyone can claim that Augeri's thin, vibeless voice on Arrival compares in any way to the majesty of Perry's performance on ROR. Yes, that record is the least 'heavy' of all the Journey albums but it still has more power and spirit than any of Journey's recent work. To my ears, anyway.

[NealIsGod]

It's beyond me how anyone can claim that Augeri's thin, vibeless voice on Arrival compares in any way to the majesty of Perry's performance on ROR. Yes, that record is the least 'heavy' of all the Journey albums but it still has more power and spirit than any of Journey's recent work. To my ears, anyway.

Yeah, all the Loons love that album.