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[The_Noble_Cause]

so whats cnn/cbs/nbc/msnbc/cnnheadline news/abc/npr/bbc/PBS...they all use democrat talking points.. just watch face the nation/meet the press or Sunday morning..

I do watch these and u are clearly insane.
U mean CNN Headline News who's top star is Conservative Glenn Beck?
Or MSNBC which employs conservatives like Joe Scarbrough, Tucker Carlson, and Rita Cosby?
As for CNN, well, Wolf Blitzer is practically a non-entity..just a rip n' read teleprompter-beholden drone. Larry King may be a Democrat in private, but his show is as apolitical as they come. Jack Catherty was a Conservative until this adminstration bungled things.

As for Meet the Press, Tim Russert tries exceptionally hard to be objective.
So much so he regularly incurs fire from both sides.

Similarly, Chris Mathews is all over the political map.
One day he panders to Dems, then next he panders to Repubs.

FOX NEWS is the only affillate of the conservative party----and thats who you harp on--way too funny---for those who hate FOX NEWS---you have 700 other news outlets to turn too... CHANGE THE CHANNEL....
Rick

I watch FOX News and it really ain't all that much different from the networks u just mentioned.

[conversationpc]

Aside from Keith Olberman, name one cable news journalist who is openly liberal?

Chris Matthews (I actually like his show occasionally)
Alan Colmes
Larry King

[ohsherrie]

Conversationpc, I'm don't have time right now to sort through that whole post for quotes, so I'll just try to summarize.

I'm not saying the Dems don't state there objections to the current administration policies. That's their job. I'm saying they don't use catch phrases that represent hot button issues to rally their base the way the current administration does.

I honestly don't think we're any safer because Bush took our troops to fight his personal war in Iraq. We could have stayed in Afghanistan and finished that job and increased our homeland security measures without getting into that quagmire. If we are actually any safer it's more because of increased homeland security than because of anything that's been done anywhere else and the money spent in Iraq would have been much better used in that area. There are a dozen waiting in line to replace every terrorist we've captured and they weren't even in Iraq until he went over there.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Chris Matthews (I actually like his show occasionally)

Mathews does not espouse Democratic policies. He is a registered Democrat, but his program is not merely a tool to prop policy. He has voted Repub in the past and his brother is a Republican. Contrast this to Olberman who specifically advocates Democratic views. Similarly, Hannity explicitly toes the Republican line and never strays.
Mathews does not do this.
He tries to be everyone to everything.

Alan Colmes

This is true, but he is soo overshadowed & marginalized on the show that he's rendered pretty much insignificant.

Larry King

You're kidding, right?
Boy, he really is making some smokin headway on those radical progressive issues by lodging nightly softballs at Jack Hanna and Beatrice Arthur.

[conversationpc]

I'm not saying the Dems don't state there objections to the current administration policies. That's their job. I'm saying they don't use catch phrases that represent hot button issues to rally their base the way the current administration does.

That's simply not true.

There are a dozen waiting in line to replace every terrorist we've captured and they weren't even in Iraq until he went over there.

These terrorists would line up against us regardless of if we were in Iraq or not. They hate us, not simply because of our foreign policy, but because we are who we are. They hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because we are an ally of Israel. They hate us because they believe we are a Christian nation. They want to kill us for who we are, which cannot be changed. This is something that liberals don't understand. They think we can leave Iraq and terrorism will decrease. They think if we simply sat down and negotiated, we would have more peace. Unfortunately, that just isn't so. Radical muslims only negotiate when they think it will give them an advantage temporarily until they are strong enough to defeat us militarily later on.

[conversationpc]

You're kidding, right?
Boy, he really is making some smokin headway on those radical progressive issues by lodging nightly softballs at Jack Hanna and Beatrice Arthur.

I didn't say his program was any good but he is a liberal nonetheless.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I didn't say his program was any good but he is a liberal nonetheless.

I said "openly liberal".

If they don't use their media bullhorn to implement liberal policy it's a moot issue.
For example, O'Reilly and Hannity's shows reflect their conservative ideology.

What does King's show reflect - aside from maybe the horrors of aging?

[fredinator]

I really enjoy David Gregory (NBC White House correspondent--I think that's his name)...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I really enjoy David Gregory (NBC White House correspondent--I think that's his name)...

Yup. He is a straight shooter and tries very hard to be fair.
Unfortunately, holding those in power accountable (especially when there is a Republican stranglehold on all 3 branches) is usually misinterprted as being a liberal or abetting terrorists.

[conversationpc]

If they don't use their media bullhorn to implement liberal policy it's a moot issue.
For example, O'Reilly and Hannity's shows reflect their conservative ideology.

I agree that O'Reilly is conservative but he gets a lot of flak from conservatives AND liberals alike. Some claim he's a liberal in conservative clothing and others seem to think he's a raging "neo-con".

What does King's show reflect - aside from maybe the horrors of aging?

[conversationpc]

I really enjoy David Gregory (NBC White House correspondent--I think that's his name)...

Yup. He is a straight shooter and tries very hard to be fair.
Unfortunately, holding those in power accountable (especially when there is a Republican stranglehold on all 3 branches) is usually misinterprted as being a liberal or abetting terrorists.

I don't know whether Gregory is liberal or not but he tries his hardest to be an idiot, in my opinion.

[fredinator]

You know, Conversation, a few posts ago on another thread you were criticizing people who called each other names, etc.. Now here you are in this thread calling just about EVERYBODY a name... I agree with TNC in his remarks above re: David Gregory: he asks straight questions and when he doesn't get a straight answer, he asks again!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I agree that O'Reilly is conservative but he gets a lot of flak from conservatives AND liberals alike. Some claim he's a liberal in conservative clothing and others seem to think he's a raging "neo-con".

He claims to be an independent, but is registered as a Republican, I believe.
His phone sex transcripts proved to me that whatever he is, he's not a TRUE onservative.

Then again, most moral holier-than-thous are kinky freaks.

[conversationpc]

You know, Conversation, a few posts ago on another thread you were criticizing people who called each other names, etc.. Now here you are in this thread calling just about EVERYBODY a name... I agree with TNC in his remarks above re: David Gregory: he asks straight questions and when he doesn't get a straight answer, he asks again!!

I've seen some shows where Gregory appears to be a straight-laced, business-like gentleman, and others where he is a seemingly know-it-all jerk. Then there's the time he called in to the Don Imus show where he was totally plastered. He was a total incoherent, drooling idiot.

If you can't comprehend true, mean-spirited name-calling from joking around, you are hopeless. There's no one in this forum, other than Reardon, that I would call a name and truly mean it. It's a totally different situation.

[fredinator]

Yup, typical... Do as I say, not as I do...

[ohsherrie]

I'm not saying the Dems don't state there objections to the current administration policies. That's their job. I'm saying they don't use catch phrases that represent hot button issues to rally their base the way the current administration does.

That's simply not true.

Well, this is a subjective issue and I'm certainly not objective enough about it to say whose truth is truth because I see it as I do. You aparently believe what you're saying so we'll just have to say we simply disagree about this.

These terrorists would line up against us regardless of if we were in Iraq or not. They hate us, not simply because of our foreign policy, but because we are who we are. They hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because we are an ally of Israel. They hate us because they believe we are a Christian nation. They want to kill us for who we are, which cannot be changed. This is something that liberals don't understand. They think we can leave Iraq and terrorism will decrease. They think if we simply sat down and negotiated, we would have more peace. Unfortunately, that just isn't so. Radical muslims only negotiate when they think it will give them an advantage temporarily until they are strong enough to defeat us militarily later on.

Are you really not reading what I'm saying, or are you pulling a Bush and twisting the issue to suit your agenda? I'm saying that starting a war with IRAQ did nothing to make us safer. I think the war there is the reason we're not as safe as we would be if we'd finished the job in Afghanistan, got Bin Laden, and spent more money on homeland security. Yes, the potential terrorists would still be out there, but the war in Iraq has exacerbated the problem rather than helping to contain it. The problems with Iran and North Korea may have been handled though diplomacy if they weren't so enraged at the Bush administration for their unwarranted, heavy handed tactics in Iraq. Overall, I can't see how we're safer now than we were before in any other way than the relatively meager measures we've taken on the homeland front.

[conversationpc]

Are you really not reading what I'm saying, or are you pulling a Bush and twisting the issue to suit your agenda? I'm saying that starting a war with IRAQdid nothing to make us safer. I think the war there is the reason we're not as safe as we would be if we'd finished the job in Afghanistan, got Bin Laden, and spent more money on homeland security. Yes, the potential terrorists would still be out there, but the war in Iraq has exacerbated the problem rather than helping to contain it. The problems with Iran and North Korea may have been handled though diplomacy if they weren't so enraged at the Bush administration for their unwarranted, heavy handed tactics in Iraq. Overall, I can't see how we're safer now than we were before in any other way than the relatively meager measures we've taken on the homeland front.

Though the violence in Iraq is not lessening, I think it has made us safer here in that the terrorists are currently spending their efforts THERE instead.

Regardless, diplomacy was tried for many years before we went to war with Iraq. Hussein kept flipping us the bird, i.e. firing missiles at us, making backdoor deals with Russia, France, China, etc., while we and the United Nations continued to let him get away with it. We finally had the stones to do something about it. I'm glad we did. My beef comes with how we've prosecuted the war, not that we went to war in the first place.

[Eric]

I don't have any specific sources or quotes to post Eric.

All due respect Sherrie, its because there aren't any examples. Fox isn't as liberal as say MSNBC or CNN, and it does have Hannity, but it is just a myth that it is a GOP channel. Watch it for yourself....other than the O'Reilly Factor, nothing is worth watching more than on any other network.

The young people who can't afford to go to college because of the rising cost of tuition and the decline of personal income

No physically abled adult is "entitled" to either college or health insurance.

[ohsherrie]

But, pc, we can't stay there forever letting our kids get killed to keep them occupied, and while our troops are occupied there, Iran and North Korea are getting very brave. Nothing is getting better.

[Eric]

And all the while the quality of day to day life for the majority of the people in this country is declining

I strongly disagree

The Republicans spent 8 years trying to find something wrong with the way Clinton was getting the job done and they couldn't.

He was fatally soft on Al Quada...that is a fact.

They've done nothing but lie to this country since they got in there

Name ONE lie? You lose credibility when you say such things Sherrie, and I know you are smarter than that.

The war on terror hasn't made us safer. What has improved?

Has the homeland been attached again? I mean, thats the bottom line...it really is.

Gay rights have nothing to do with the actual lives of anyone but them. What they do with their lives has nothing to do with the way our families are fed, sheltered, educated and the medical care they have available to them

Well, actually they would be able to medically support their "partner", which is fine...but I just want to be afforded the same opportunity for my widow mother-in-law. You see?

[Eric]

Aside from Keith Olberman, name one cable news journalist who is openly liberal?

Is Katie Couric considered a journalist?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Is Katie Couric considered a journalist?

No. Try a minivan-driving soccer mom slut who got a lucky break.

[Eric]

I honestly don't think we're any safer because Bush took our troops to fight his personal war in Iraq

Explain why it is personal?

I'll admit, if I could go back in time I wouldn't have supported the Iraq invasion because there are no WMD's, and I am concerned that our troops are not properly armed or directed right now. HOWEVER:

1) We legally had a right to take Saddam out, as he violated the first gulf war treaty.

2) Most leaders, including Clinton, though there were WMD's.

2) Morally, taking out a brutal dictator thug, and attempting to spread democracy is a noble thing to do.

3) Hopefully, we can put the pressure on Iran and Syria by having a friendly Iraq.

[ohsherrie]

I don't have any specific sources or quotes to post Eric.

All due respect Sherrie, its because there aren't any examples. Fox isn't as liberal as say MSNBC or CNN, and it does have Hannity, but it is just a myth that it is a GOP channel. Watch it for yourself....other than the O'Reilly Factor, nothing is worth watching more than on any other network.

With equal respect Eric, I thought you were asking for examples of the kind of indicators I use to form my opinions. I never said it all came from any specific news source. It comes from watching, listening and studying various sources of data including my personal observations of the world I live in.

However, I have watched Fox News and consider it to be the most egregiously bias of all cable news sources.

No physically abled adult is "entitled" to either college or health insurance.

So you mean it should just be "root little pig or die" while the insurance and drug company execs get richer and more politcally powerful? Supposedly this new economy is based in the principle that our people are going to be better educated than the ones taking our manufacturing jobs. How is that going to happen when we can't afford the education? Middle Class America, the segment of our poplulation that has always represented the American Dream is disappearing. And a lot more of them have gone to rooting than gone to the Country Club set in this administration.

[Eric]

If they don't use their media bullhorn to implement liberal policy it's a moot issue.
For example, O'Reilly and Hannity's shows reflect their conservative ideology.

I disagree with your assessment on O'Reilly, although I will concede if we came up with a list of all the top issues and picked which way he leaned on each issue, there probably would be more checkmarks in the conservative column

[conversationpc]

Middle Class America, the segment of our poplulation that has always represented the American Dream is disappearing. And a lot more of them have gone to rooting than gone to the Country Club set in this administration.

I don't think the middle class is disappearing at all. It's true that many cities are losing their middle class, but they are simply moving to other areas. My wife and I are perfect examples of that. We moved from Indianapolis to one of the neighboring suburbs. It's cheaper and you avoid the congestion, crime, etc., that comes living in a big city.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I disagree with your assessment on O'Reilly...

You're right.
I'll give u this much, he occassionally locates his spine and diverges from the party line.

For example, the other nite he spoke out on Kerry's behalf and defended him.

[lights1961]

If they don't use their media bullhorn to implement liberal policy it's a moot issue.
For example, O'Reilly and Hannity's shows reflect their conservative ideology.

I disagree with your assessment on O'Reilly, although I will concede if we came up with a list of all the top issues and picked which way he leaned on each issue, there probably would be more checkmarks in the conservative column

The great thing about OReilly, is that he just wants you to come and debate him... thats his fun. If you dont come on thats when he rags on you!! King is the king of softball interviews... Beck is bizarre, Blitz is Blitz... and Mathews is a liberal biased----wants to be the modern version of Mclaughlin hour!!

Rick

[conversationpc]

I disagree with your assessment on O'Reilly...

You're right.
I'll give u this much, he occassionally locates his spine and diverges from the party line.

For example, the other nite he spoke out on Kerry's behalf and defended him.

He did the same thing on his radio show. I disagree with his assessment of Kerry but I'll give you that.

Sometimes, though, I get the idea that he is trying too hard to be impartial, almost like he is just using it as a badge of honor instead of truly being impartial.

He's also anti-death penalty and hard on the big oil companies, something usually reserved for liberals.

[Eric]

I agree that O'Reilly is conservative but he gets a lot of flak from conservatives AND liberals alike. Some claim he's a liberal in conservative clothing and others seem to think he's a raging "neo-con".
He claims to be an independent, but is registered as a Republican, I believe.
His phone sex transcripts proved to me that whatever he is, he's not a TRUE onservative.

I think O'Reilly is the most trusted person in news. His books are EXCELLENT, although his current book "Culture Warrior" pales in comparison to "Whose Looking out for you". He is fair, does lean right more than left...but so do I. His show is not only the most watched new show on cable, but while Larry King recently had a Presidential look-alike on his show, O'Reilly actually interviewed W. You tell me who is more credible. He does cut callers down too quickly on his radio show, but nobody said he was perfect. He admits when he is wrong too.

I am also registered Republican even though my views are all over making me more independent. But if you are registered Independent, I don't think you can vote in the primaries, and that can be important. I believe that is along the lines O'Reilly claims to be Independent but is a registered Republican.....