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From Andrew....

I know many out there are hanging out for any word on the upcoming Journey release Generations. Well....here is just a little more info.
First up - that killer Deen Castronovo sung melodic rocker I spoke of in my initial comments. The correct title for the song is in fact Never Too Late. Definitely one to watch folks!
Further more, Deen also sings lead on another melodic rock track titled Better Life. Jonathan Cain sings lead on a track Every Generation, which the title of the album was derived from. Neal Schon of course sings on the updated version of Self Defense, with Deen supplying the backing vocals previously supplied on the original by Steve Perry.
Final track selection and arrangement details, plus album artwork are all being worked on right now. More tidbits coming up over the coming weeks.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:From Andrew....

I know many out there are hanging out for any word on the upcoming Journey release Generations. Well....here is just a little more info.
First up - that killer Deen Castronovo sung melodic rocker I spoke of in my initial comments. The correct title for the song is in fact Never Too Late. Definitely one to watch folks!
Further more, Deen also sings lead on another melodic rock track titled Better Life. Jonathan Cain sings lead on a track Every Generation, which the title of the album was derived from. Neal Schon of course sings on the updated version of Self Defense, with Deen supplying the backing vocals previously supplied on the original by Steve Perry.
Final track selection and arrangement details, plus album artwork are all being worked on right now. More tidbits coming up over the coming weeks.

Thank you for the update Noble_Cause. I'm going to be camping out for my Generations CD. I have to buy a lounge chair first.

Journeytroll

Go away JT

The_Noble_Cause wrote:From Andrew....

I know many out there are hanging out for any word on the upcoming Journey release Generations. Well....here is just a little more info.
First up - that killer Deen Castronovo sung melodic rocker I spoke of in my initial comments. The correct title for the song is in fact Never Too Late. Definitely one to watch folks!
Further more, Deen also sings lead on another melodic rock track titled Better Life. Jonathan Cain sings lead on a track Every Generation, which the title of the album was derived from. Neal Schon of course sings on the updated version of Self Defense, with Deen supplying the backing vocals previously supplied on the original by Steve Perry.
Final track selection and arrangement details, plus album artwork are all being worked on right now. More tidbits coming up over the coming weeks.

Some cool stuff! Is there what you would call a "lead singer?"

perryfaithful wrote:Some cool stuff! Is there what you would call a "lead singer?"

Yes. The lead singer of the band Journey, is NY singer Steve Augeri.
On this album, Augeri still sings the majority of the songs.
I am guessing anywhere from 8-9 tracks.

Y'know, on the one hand, you Perrynutbags say that the band needs to change and stop being a "cover band" and then on the other hand, you criticize them for any ambitious, creative changes they even attempt to make.

The truth is you guys will criticize every and any action this band makes except for the the day when they decide to retire.

Oh, and don't bother responding.
As usual you will lie and feign obliviousness saying something like...

"Criticize? Me? Never. I was just inquiring as to wether there was a lead singer. Lighten up, buddy!".

You're so full of shit it hurts.

Andrew wrote:Go away JT

suspend his ass

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

perryfaithful wrote:Some cool stuff! Is there what you would call a "lead singer?"

Yes. The lead singer of the band Journey, is NY singer Steve Augeri.
On this album, Augeri still sings the majority of the songs.
I am guessing anywhere from 8-9 tracks.

Y'know, on the one hand, you Perrynutbags say that the band needs to change and stop being a "cover band" and then on the other hand, you criticize them for any ambitious, creative changes they even attempt to make.

The truth is you guys will criticize every and any action this band makes except for the the day when they decide to retire.

Oh, and don't bother responding.
As usual you will lie and feign obliviousness saying something like...

"Criticize? Me? Never. I was just inquiring as to wether there was a lead singer. Lighten up, buddy!".

You're so full of shit it hurts.

NC,

How can you even be guessing to how many songs SA is singing on, when this "Generation CD" is not even available yet??? I thought the fans had to go to the concerts in order to get the new cd???

Lori

PROPERRY wrote:How can you even be guessing to how many songs SA is singing on, when this "Generation CD" is not even available yet???

Easily, because I actually paid attention in kindergarten and learned basic arithmetic, ok?
The band members are on record stating there is a total of 13-14 tracks (dependent upon if you have the U.S. or Foreign version).
Each band member has one song entirely to himself (with the exception of Deen who has two tracks).
That means there are 6 tracks total that are NOT sung by Steve Augeri (not counting Jon & Steve duets).
You still with me?
Ok, here comes the tricky part, "subtraction",...
14-6 = 8
Got that?
So I can confidently say that there are 8 or 7 songs sung by Steve Augeri on this album.

Even if I am waaay off (which I'm not) he is still singing the majority of the songs on this album and even if he is not, it does not warrant the scrutinization of you, someone who does not like Steve Augeri as a vocalist and really couldn't care less whether or not he sings another day in his life.

Go "celebrate" the Steve Perry years or whatever it is you (falsely) claim to be here for.

As per usual in Journey circle, unless the bleeding obvious is spelled out, others will take that what should be obvious and grow rumors out of it.

Steve Augeri sings all remaining tracks not talked about.

With 12 or 13 due to make the final cut, he sings 7 or 8 or maybe 9 even...depends on the make up of the album.

STEVE AUGERI - although not yet gaining the press that will come for this performance, is still a fabulous singer and his place in th and remains as essential as ever.

Nothing should be read into the others getting a bit of press...

Andrew wrote:Go away JT

I didn't mean any harm, Andrew, and I will probably buy Generations. I bought Arrival, Red13: Original design, and many other Journey cds.

Journeytroll

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

PROPERRY wrote:How can you even be guessing to how many songs SA is singing on, when this "Generation CD" is not even available yet???

Easily, because I actually paid attention in kindergarten and learned basic arithmetic, ok?
The band members are on record stating there is a total of 13-14 tracks (dependent upon if you have the U.S. or Foreign version).
Each band member has one song entirely to himself (with the exception of Deen who has two tracks).
That means there are 6 tracks total that are NOT sung by Steve Augeri (not counting Jon & Steve duets).
You still with me?
Ok, here comes the tricky part, "subtraction",...
14-6 = 8
Got that?
So I can confidently say that there are 8 or 7 songs sung by Steve Augeri on this album.

Even if I am waaay off (which I'm not) he is still singing the majority of the songs on this album and even if he is not, it does not warrant the scrutinization of you, someone who does not like Steve Augeri as a vocalist and really couldn't care less whether or not he sings another day in his life.

Go "celebrate" the Steve Perry years or whatever it is you (falsely) claim to be here for.

NC,

I asked a QUESTION in a POLITE WAY, as usual your response was hateful , and totally UNCALLED for here.

You really should "get a grip", and work on that "insecure part" of "yourself" that does NOT allow for YOU to tolerate different opinions and independent thinking of others here.

This is a message board where ANYONE can post here! Last I heard you are NOT a moderator here for this board! Since you seem to have such a "control problem", then you should do what someone else here suggested to you a while back & get your OWN message board.

Lori

PROPERRY wrote:NC,
I asked a QUESTION in a POLITE WAY, as usual your response was hateful , and totally UNCALLED for here.

:Sigh: such disingenuity.

Look- you weren't asking a question out of any true concern as to how many tracks Augeri was singing on this latest album. Get off it.
NOBODY here is buying that.
As I already stated, you couldn't care less whether or not Augeri sings another day in his life.
So who exactly do you think you're fooling?

Rather, you asked a question (saying how can I possibly know how many tracks Augeri is singing) in efforts to (a) show that I don't know what I am talking about and (b) to lend validity to the calumniating implications of one of your fellow Perry-cronies.

PROPERRY wrote:You really should "get a grip", and work on that "insecure part" of "yourself" that does NOT allow for YOU to tolerate different opinions and independent thinking of others here.

What "opinions"?
Name one opinion you expressed in this thread.
Go ahead. I defy you.
You can't because you didn't, all you did is attempt to controvert what I said (in efforts of providing back-up to a fellow Perryfanatic) and u failed miserably.

Perryfaithful made the implication that Augeri's role as the lead singer had been purposely diminished. I refuted that. You quickly chimed in and attempted to come to her rescue stating that I couldn't possibly know how many tracks Augeri was singing on this album.
As Andew just testified, I was right and you and your ugly twin sister were both dead wrong.
Deal with it.
Don't take your well-earned ignominy out on me.

PROPERRY wrote:Last I heard you are NOT a moderator here for this board!

No, I'm not. But apparently you are. How else to account for this quote, wherein you officiously reproach me and tell me my conduct is "uncalled for here".

PROPERRY wrote:your response was hateful , and totally UNCALLED for here.

Umm, since when are YOU in charge of setting MR.com posting policy?
Furthermore, since when are you in charge of formally adjudicating what is and what is not proper melodic rock board decorum?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Perryhead.

PROPERRY wrote:NC,

I asked a QUESTION in a POLITE WAY, as usual your response was hateful , and totally UNCALLED for here.

You really should "get a grip", and work on that "insecure part" of "yourself" that does NOT allow for YOU to tolerate different opinions and independent thinking of others here.

This is a message board where ANYONE can post here! Last I heard you are NOT a moderator here for this board! Since you seem to have such a "control problem", then you should do what someone else here suggested to you a while back & get your OWN message board.

Lori

I see NOTHING wrong with how NC answered your question. He showed NO HATE, he was not impolite, he did not show insecurity.

YOU asked the question how he could know how many tracks Steve sings on and he answered.

The fact is that it was OBVIOUS that NC was guesstimating the number of tracks. It is OBVIOUS that Perry-only fans are trying to imply that Steve's role is diminishing within Journey. It is OBVIOUS that you were trying to aid PF (who can certainly take care of herself) and deflect the issue. It is OBVIOUS that you are still doing that. You asked, he answered, you didn't like the answer because it made sense, you deflect to 'message board ettiquette'. You did not share an opinion, you asked a question. And you got an answer you did not like.




This is simple folks...Journey has been mixing up the setlist with songs that utilize different vocalists. It certainly could have something to do with ensuring Steve's voice remains in good health, but it DEFINATELY has to do with the fact that several earlier Journey songs HAD different vocals in them. (There WAS, is and will be more to Journey than JUST Perry.) As the band dug into their huge catalog of songs, they found that the fans really enjoyed it when the other guys got a chance at the mic as well. Since this is not an autonomy, as it became in the 80's, there is a chance for everyone to share the spotlight. And the fans LOVE it! Journey realized this, and when a song fit someone else's voice, they used it! Why? BECAUSE THEY COULD! This band has such a depth of talent it is truly a blessing to behold. Embrace the diversity!!

On a last note, once I hear "Generations" I will make a final decision on the songs. I have no problem with different members singing lead, but if a song is bad then it is bad. If I think Ross' vocals sound like shit, then I will say so. But I do not believe it is fair for everyone to be judging the decision made by Journey without hearing the final product.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

PROPERRY wrote:NC,
I asked a QUESTION in a POLITE WAY, as usual your response was hateful , and totally UNCALLED for here.

:Sigh: such disingenuity.

Look- you weren't asking a question out of any true concern as to how many tracks Augeri was singing on this latest album. Get off it.
NOBODY here is buying that.
As I already stated, you couldn't care less whether or not Augeri sings another day in his life.
So who exactly do you think you're fooling?

Rather, you asked a question (saying how can I possibly know how many tracks Augeri is singing) in efforts to (a) show that I don't know what I am talking about and (b) to lend validity to the calumniating implications of one of your fellow Perry-cronies.

PROPERRY wrote:You really should "get a grip", and work on that "insecure part" of "yourself" that does NOT allow for YOU to tolerate different opinions and independent thinking of others here.

What "opinions"?
Name one opinion you expressed in this thread.
Go ahead. I defy you.
You can't because you didn't, all you did is attempt to controvert what I said (in efforts of providing back-up to a fellow Perryfanatic) and u failed miserably.

Perryfaithful made the implication that Augeri's role as the lead singer had been purposely diminished. I refuted that. You quickly chimed in and attempted to come to her rescue stating that I couldn't possibly know how many tracks Augeri was singing on this album.
As Andew just testified, I was right and you and your ugly twin sister were both dead wrong.
Deal with it.
Don't take your well-earned ignominy out on me.

NC,

I will say it again. I asked a QUESTION, and YOU 've gone off on a tangent mouthing off & ADDING far more words to my post that I did NOT say. However I expect that from you because you ALWAYS over react to ANYTHING said here.


Here is your proof that YOU put A LOT of words into others mouth that was NOT even said, so SHOW ME WHERE ANDREW made this statement that YOU CLAIM HE said, "As Andrew just testified, I was right and you and your ugly twin sister were both dead wrong."

As for your comments regarding Perryfaithful that I came to her rescue, I'm fully aware that PF can stand up & speak for herself VERY WELL here, my post was a question once again.

NC, you seem to have a real NEED to ALWAYS be right. NO ONE is always right! And Yes, I include myself when I say that I'm not always right about things, but you really show your insecurities here when anyone disagrees with you.


Lori

PROPERRY wrote:I asked a QUESTION, and YOU 've gone off on a tangent mouthing off & ADDING far more words to my post that I did NOT say.

PROPERRY wrote:my post was a question once again.

Nobody is buying the helpless victim routine anymore, lady.
How many times are you and your kind going to play that tired card?
You weren't just asking a question.
As Jrnyman28 aptly said "It is OBVIOUS that you were trying to aid PF and deflect the issue."

PROPERRY wrote:you really show your insecurities here when anyone disagrees with you.

Wait.
I thought you just insisted that all you did is ask a mere innocuous question.
So which is it?
Were you purposely being arguable and "disagreeing" or were you simply voicing a harmless question?
Sounds like you have more personality conflicts than even Reardon.

PROPERRY wrote:Here is your proof that YOU put A LOT of words into others mouth that was NOT even said, so SHOW ME WHERE ANDREW made this statement that YOU CLAIM HE said, "As Andrew just testified, I was right and you and your ugly twin sister were both dead wrong."

I never claimed Andrew "said" anything.
I never once wrote that Andrew made that specific statement or "spoke" those specific words.
I said he "testified", meaning he made a statement based on personal knowledge that supports an asserted fact.
In other words, he confirmed what I said.

I asserted that Augeri is still singing the majority of the tracks on this album and probably singing anywhere from 7-8 tracks.
You postulated that I had absolutely no way of knowing such information.

Andrew then said the following,

Andrew wrote: Steve Augeri sings all remaining tracks not talked about.

With 12 or 13 due to make the final cut, he sings 7 or 8 or maybe 9 even...depends on the make up of the album.

Which means I was right and you and your ilk's claims are baseless (as I always contended).
Done wasting everyones' time now?

PROPERRY wrote:you seem to have a real NEED to ALWAYS be right. NO ONE is always right!

You asked a question fully expecting to get a specific answer and did not get it. That's not my problem.
If by the rare chance you actually do prove me wrong someday, I will be more than happy to concede my error.
Until then, go pound sand.

perryfaithful wrote:blab, blab, blab

The MOUTH runs over!

pot...black....any questions?

perryfaithful wrote:blab, blab, blab

The MOUTH runs over!

Of course, instead of owning up to ur folly after being proven wrong, u chose to spout some glib non sequitur instead.

Whatta suprise.

Wow, no love lost between the Perryheads and the Journey fans. I have to chime in here, ProPerry. I have nothing against you, but it was obvious that you were just making a snide comment trying to down TNC. Very sad that people need to come on here for the exclusive purpose of raining on everyone's parade. I have no problem, and I am sure TNC has no problem, with thoughtful, intelligent criticism of Journey. They are not perfect. But there are too many people who come in here, make a comment "designed" to elicit negative responses, and then log in later to enjoy reading how they angered others, then act innocent, like it wasn't their intent. I am sure everyone who comes in here knows what they are doing. Everyone sees through it.

NealIsGod wrote:I have no problem, and I am sure TNC has no problem, with thoughtful, intelligent criticism of Journey.

You are correct, Neal is God.
Not only do I have no problem with it, I, in fact, welcome it. At times I have been known to criticize Journey and at other times, I have been known to extol their talents. As far as I am concerned, being a fan of something also entails being it's harshest and most vocal of critics.

RubyTequila wrote:

perryfaithful wrote:blab, blab, blab

The MOUTH runs over!

pot...black....any questions?

Not even close to the point here, Ruby...whatever

Are you having a knee JERK reaction to the name Perry?

No, that was a knee-jerk reaction to your hypocritical post...

perryfaithful wrote:

RubyTequila wrote:

perryfaithful wrote:blab, blab, blab

The MOUTH runs over!

pot...black....any questions?

Not even close to the point here, Ruby...whatever

Are you having a knee JERK reaction to the name Perry?

Oh man.....it's goingto be a bloody long year ahead if this is already started and the album is not yet out.

I might suggest a new rule - I'll not yet inforce this, but some feedback from you all perhaps?

As you are aware, I allow ALL forms of Journey discussion here and allow Perry fans equal time with current line-up fans. That's all fair play i think.

However, as Perry has long departed and has nothing at all to do with this new album, perhaps a rule could be added to ask that Perry arguements are left out of all discussion to do with the new album?

They really have no connection - this is Journey now and Steve P was Journey then. Discuss endlessly without a point or reason for sure....but let's keep talk on the new album between those that are really interersted inthe new albumand want to discuss it without getting into the same tired old freeking arguements about Perry's second departure nearly A DECADE AGO!!!

Andrew wrote:Oh man.....it's goingto be a bloody long year ahead if this is already started and the album is not yet out.

I might suggest a new rule - I'll not yet inforce this, but some feedback from you all perhaps?

As you are aware, I allow ALL forms of Journey discussion here and allow Perry fans equal time with current line-up fans. That's all fair play i think.

However, as Perry has long departed and has nothing at all to do with this new album, perhaps a rule could be added to ask that Perry arguements are left out of all discussion to do with the new album?

They really have no connection - this is Journey now and Steve P was Journey then. Discuss endlessly without a point or reason for sure....but let's keep talk on the new album between those that are really interersted inthe new albumand want to discuss it without getting into the same tired old freeking arguements about Perry's second departure nearly A DECADE AGO!!!

If they want to make frivolous critcisms against the album, Andrew, I say let 'em.
I have absolute confidence that this album will stand on its own merits and that the music will more then speak for itself.

Andrew wrote: without getting into the same tired old freeking arguements about Perry's second departure nearly A DECADE AGO!!!

SECOND departure!! Too good Andrew!!

[quote="jrnyman28"]No, that was a knee-jerk reaction to your hypocritical post...

Perhaps I should be perfectly clear...sorry! Mouth running over is ment not as anything to do with the SUBJECT MATTER but the AMOUNT of STUFF the Noble Cause needs to answer others comments. Rarely a simple reply but instead paragraphs, much of it wasted on belittling the person as well as ALL Perry fans in the course of responding......as well as much speculation on what the others persons intents are and on and on and on! I am lost for any real information in it...so it bwecomes what I call BLAB!

Now I do not think I post like that so where is it hypocritical Dave?

perryfaithful wrote:Perhaps I should be perfectly clear...sorry! Mouth running over is ment not as anything to do with the SUBJECT MATTER but the AMOUNT of STUFF the Noble Cause needs to answer others comments.

perryfaithful wrote:Rarely a simple reply but instead paragraphs, much of it wasted on belittling the person as well as ALL Perry fans in the course of responding....

What a crock.

If you look over the course of this thread you'd find that my posts vary in length and the ones that arguably do contain a little "extra" flab are that way specifically because I have to refute all the claims thrown at me by your sicko Perry-brethren.
Don't be fooled here, folks.
This Perrynutbag's indignation stems not from the length it takes me to write my posts, but from the content contained within them.
I call her on her bullshit everytime and the only thing that drives a Perrynut up the walls faster than listening to an Augeri-led Journey album is a little something called "the truth".
It drives them crazy!

You made the baseless implication that Augeri's role as the lead singer had been diminished.
You were proven wrong and everyone here now knows you to be the deceitful and opportunistic propagandist that u truly are.
THAT'S the issue, not my writing etiquette.

Perryfaithful has her opinions.
To shoot them down with PERSONAL insults is not only barbaric, but reeks of anti-American ideals.
Fanatic Zealots!

Have a Nice Day!
Shawriff

............aside from the fact that you, Noble Cause, ran Augeri down in a recent topic and had others posting a preference to Augeri as frontman. No wonder they are trying to prop him up with the others who arn't really singers in their own right. Your topic was mean and more nasty than anything the Perrypeople might post. What kind of example are you setting for your students?