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How do you do a show where the lead singer leaves after the first song and comes back an hour later? Im reading the setlist and it really looks terrible, I also read augeri had vocal problems at the first show
How can he warm up sitting back stage for the first half of the show?
Too many Pre Perry tunes too many Generation tunes and too many singers, This Journey is getting far away from the Journey we knew in the past , I would rather have Perry back to sing for 90 min than have 3 hours of mish mash, Im really thinking of not even going
Why do I want to see Dean the drummer front the band for 4 tunes in a row. They really better fix this damm setlist looks like it may be happening.

froy wrote:How do you do a show where the lead singer leaves after the first song and comes back an hour later?

That's a new one. From all accounts I've read, when Steve's not singing, he plays guitar on stage just like in his Tall Stories days.

froy wrote:Im reading the setlist and it really looks terrible

Hyperbole much?
The set list certainly isn't terrible by any means.
Yes, they are def. playing a few too many pre-Perry tunes.
But that's the only flaw I can tell.

froy wrote:How can he warm up sitting back stage for the first half of the show?

What on earth are you rambling about?
Get your facts straight. Augeri is not backstage.
You sound like a clod.

froy wrote:Too many Pre Perry tunes too many Generation tunes and too many singers, This Journey is getting far away from the Journey we knew in the past

Maybe that's due to the simple reason that IT IS no longer the Journey from the past.

Bands change, times change, everything changes. If this notion of "change" in any way frightens you, then may I strongly suggest you stay at home and rock out to your Al Jolson records on the gramophone.

Ok, pops?

froy wrote:I would rather have Perry back to sing for 90 min than have 3 hours of mish mash, Im really thinking of not even going

You've already given up on Styx.
Go ahead and give up on Journey, too.
It's just par for the course from Froy the deserter.

froy wrote:Why do I want to see Dean the drummer front the band for 4 tunes in a row.

Because he's an amazing singer.
Now that was a self explantory (and ultimately stupid) question, wasn't it?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

froy wrote:How do you do a show where the lead singer leaves after the first song and comes back an hour later?

That's a new one. From all accounts I've read, when Steve's not singing, he plays guitar on stage just like in his Tall Stories days.

You did not read the right reviews
This one is on the Melodic Front Page


After opening with a brief vocal on the intro. People and Places, Augeri disappeared for most of the first set. He did, however, don a guitar for the first few songs before exiting the stage. Never has a front man looked more out of place holding a guitar. He returned during Feeling That Way. However, adding to the guitar debacle, Augeri began to experience obvious pitch problems. Whether it was due to the cold weather at the outdoor venue or just opening-night jitters, Augeri really struggled at times. The problem got so bad during Escape that Augeri motioned to Deen Castronovo to take over the high notes. The lead singer also sprayed something into his mouth a number of times, so he could have been suffering from some type of illness.

froy wrote:Im reading the setlist and it really looks terrible

Hyperbole much?
The set list certainly isn't terrible by any means.

The setlist stinks by all means
Thats why after 1 show its been revamped
Look for more tweeking back to the greatest hits

Yes, they are def. playing a few too many pre-Perry tunes.
But that's the only flaw I can tell.

Thats a huge flaw
Valory singing lead is another problem
Dean singing 4 tunes in a row is another problem
An intermission another problem

froy wrote:How can he warm up sitting back stage for the first half of the show?

What on earth are you rambling about?
Get your facts straight. Augeri is not backstage.
You sound like a clod.

And you need to learn how to read,

froy wrote:Too many Pre Perry tunes too many Generation tunes and too many singers, This Journey is getting far away from the Journey we knew in the past

Maybe that's due to the simple reason that IT IS no longer the Journey from the past.

Even the past 6 years
I wonder if its going to fly

froy wrote:I would rather have Perry back to sing for 90 min than have 3 hours of mish mash, Im really thinking of not even going

You've already given up on Styx.

Almost everyone has given up on that joke

Go ahead and give up on Journey, too.

Will see

froy wrote:Why do I want to see Dean the drummer front the band for 4 tunes in a row.

Because he's an amazing singer.
Now that was a self explantory (and ultimately stupid) question, wasn't it

Fine let Augeri take the drums and let Dean sing every song see how fast that game gets shut down.
Journey is in disarray I hope they can get it together,

lol, Journey is in dissaray. Dude, go back and jock Classic Styx some more. Do me a favor and don't go. Kiss my ass and Neal Schons' too. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I was there for the first night. Was it perfect hell no. Was it awesome Yes sir!

If you read the new MR update, they have cut back on a few Generations songs, and a few Pre Perry tunes..

By the way, Generations is amazing..It's better than Frontiers imo..

Is this jealousy from the Styx board, that Journey can put out a great CD, without their former singer?

While your lips are down there, kiss Jonathans, Ross', Steves' and DEENS too. It's 2 EE's!! DEEN DEEN DEEN DEEN

Well, part of why Steve is absent from some of the first set is because much of it is the pre-Perry stuff and Jon is singing.

Rock'ndeano wrote:lol, Journey is in dissaray. Dude, go back and jock Classic Styx some more. Do me a favor and don't go. Kiss my ass and Neal Schons' too. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I was there for the first night. Was it perfect hell no. Was it awesome Yes sir!

If you say so .

If you read the new MR update, they have cut back on a few Generations songs, and a few Pre Perry tunes..

Just what I said they should do .

By the way, Generations is amazing..It's better than Frontiers imo..

Not debating that still have not heard it,

Is this jealousy from the Styx board, that Journey can put out a great CD, without their former singer?

Im all for them doing that
The issue is not a new cd with me the issue is
Too Many Pre Perry Tunes and I would prefer Augeri sing not Dean
I know Dean is a good singer but I think Augeri can sing his tunes just fine.

Ah, don't pay attention to silly criticism. TNC is right, the only flaw in the setlist is too many pre-Perry tunes. And it does sound like Augeri has to come in a bit cold and start singing lead because of this.

GREAT MOVES: Adding Mother/Father and Higher Place. One more Arrival tune would have been another good move, but that's ok. Three or four tunes off the new CD is enough. It is strange to hand fans a CD at the door and then play eight songs from it.

BAD MOVE: Adding Who's Crying Now. Great song, of course, but I think most hard core Journey fans are sick of it.

NealIsGod wrote:Ah, don't pay attention to silly criticism. TNC is right, the only flaw in the setlist is too many pre-Perry tunes. And it does sound like Augeri has to come in a bit cold and start singing lead because of this.

GREAT MOVES: Adding Mother/Father and Higher Place. One more Arrival tune would have been another good move, but that's ok. Three or four tunes off the new CD is enough. It is strange to hand fans a CD at the door and then play eight songs from it.

BAD MOVE: Adding Who's Crying Now. Great song, of course, but I think most hard core Journey fans are sick of it.

How about

Colors of The Spirit
Easy To Fall
Lifetime of Dreams
Still They Ride
Winds of March
After The Fall
Remember Me
La RaZa Del Sol
Dead or Alive

They should try these


Open Arms Gone
Only The Young Gone
Dean Singing Gone

Let Augeri front the band let Dean sing back ground
Let Valory play bass not sing

Yeah, and Genesis never should have let their drummer sing, either. Ditto for Night Ranger.

froy wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Ah, don't pay attention to silly criticism. TNC is right, the only flaw in the setlist is too many pre-Perry tunes. And it does sound like Augeri has to come in a bit cold and start singing lead because of this.

GREAT MOVES: Adding Mother/Father and Higher Place. One more Arrival tune would have been another good move, but that's ok. Three or four tunes off the new CD is enough. It is strange to hand fans a CD at the door and then play eight songs from it.

BAD MOVE: Adding Who's Crying Now. Great song, of course, but I think most hard core Journey fans are sick of it.

How about

Colors of The Spirit
Easy To Fall
Lifetime of Dreams
Still They Ride
Winds of March
After The Fall
Remember Me
La RaZa Del Sol
Dead or Alive

They should try these


Open Arms Gone
Only The Young Gone
Dean Singing Gone

Let Augeri front the band let Dean sing back ground
Let Valory play bass not sing

Froy, I like the list of songs you'd like to hear in the concert (Colors of the Spirit, IMO, is VASTLY underrated). As for the songs that should be "gone" Ask The Lonely is my ALL-TIME favorite, so I can't agree with you there...

NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, and Genesis never should have let their drummer sing, either. Ditto for Night Ranger.

Some Genesis fans would agree with that
You can add the Eagles in there also but to me Augeri and Dean are very much the same. No need for 2 Perry clones,.

froy, i disagree with you, but you have valid points behind your opinions. I like that you don't come back with senseless insults when people disagree with you. I see your point about Deen and Steve's voices being similar, but I do think Deen can get higher and perform some Perry material better than Steve can. Have you been in the audience for a Journey show with the new lineup? Deen is AMAZING on Mother/Father and Suzanne.

NealIsGod wrote:froy, i disagree with you, but you have valid points behind your opinions. I like that you don't come back with senseless insults when people disagree with you. I see your point about Deen and Steve's voices being similar, but I do think Deen can get higher and perform some Perry material better than Steve can. Have you been in the audience for a Journey show with the new lineup? Deen is AMAZING on Mother/Father and Suzanne.

Yes I have heard Dean sing Happy To Give my 2nd favorite song
But it just was not magical
I heard him sing Mother Father he did fantastic
It just was not magical
Its hard to explain but its just a guy singing the song nothing more
At least Augeri has carisma if thats how its spelled
Dean singing behind a drum kit looks foolish IMO
These songs need to be sung by a frontman who can work the crowd
Dean is in shorts banging away at the drums
That just looks wrong to me
Not taking anything away from his vocals
Augeri should be singing these to the crowd not Dean singing into his head piece mic.

Valid points. Night Ranger still had Blades, Watson and Gillis running around the stage while the drummer sang, so they were still fun to watch. When Deen sings, there is no frontman to look at, but I still like to watch Neal (and look around the audience for hot chicks!).

I don't have a problem with Deen singing 4 songs, but they should not be in a row. And Steve should not be sitting out for 45 minutes from singing. I liked the setlist from the first show, but I can understand adding Higher Place. I am also excited that I might get the chance to hear Mother, Father...something I have been kicking myself about. But I do not like taking 5 songs out of the "Generations" set, 2 or 3 is OK. And MIX the setlist up more, just change the order, so that Steve is out there more...

jrnyman28 wrote:I don't have a problem with Deen singing 4 songs, but they should not be in a row. And Steve should not be sitting out for 45 minutes from singing. I liked the setlist from the first show, but I can understand adding Higher Place. I am also excited that I might get the chance to hear Mother, Father...something I have been kicking myself about. But I do not like taking 5 songs out of the "Generations" set, 2 or 3 is OK. And MIX the setlist up more, just change the order, so that Steve is out there more...

Totally agree

Maybe I am the only one herewho is different..

I like when the audience gets involved. I like it when the audience KNOWS every word to the hits, and that's why I don't think it's a crime to do only the hits. Do you have any idea how many hits they have? or songs that were popular, but not "hits?"

I know the band would like to stay creative, but even Don Henly said on the Farewell I tour special, that we "have no qualms about platying the hits."

You guys have to admit, that if Journey did bill a tour as such like, "Only the Hits" or "Hits all night" or something to that effect, they would sellout.

Personally I liked the setlist at Irvine, and I am with Jrnyman28 about cutting too many from Generations.. I say play 4-6, and cut back the pre Perry stuff...

Maybe I am the only one herewho is different..

I like when the audience gets involved. I like it when the audience KNOWS every word to the hits, and that's why I don't think it's a crime to do only the hits. Do you have any idea how many hits they have? or songs that were popular, but not "hits?"

I know the band would like to stay creative, but even Don Henly said on the Farewell I tour special, that we "have no qualms about playing the hits."

You guys have to admit, that if Journey did bill a tour as such like, "Only the Hits" or "Hits all night" or something to that effect, they would sellout.

Personally I liked the setlist at Irvine, and I am with Jrnyman28 about cutting too many from Generations.. I say play 4-6, and cut back the pre Perry stuff...

Hi everybody

Making sure to get your point across Deano?

jrnyman28 wrote:Making sure to get your point across Deano?

Eat me you hairy bastard!!

Well, here are a couple of my thoughts.

If Styx can perform three or so new songs in 90mins, Journey should be able to perform six or so in 270mins. It seems like a huge defeat to only perform three new songs in a three hour concert.

I understand the reason for performing the pre-Infinity songs. But, I agree that it seems they are over-doing it. The only way I can see that many songs is if Gregg were back in the band singing them. Then it would make sense and I think more fans would accept it and not complain.

As for Deen singing, as long as he does a respectable job, who cares?

As for Ross singing, I haven't heard it.

As for Neal singing, I can take it or leave it...whatever.

As for so many people singing...That is what Styx and the Eagles do, and it is not what Journey has traditionaly done. If only one or so song is sung by Neal and Ross, Jonathan does only a few of Gregg's songs, Deen does songs he is best at, and Augeri gets a huge majority of the songs...I don't think it's a big deal. But, if everybody starts getting four or five songs, then I think it's too much of a change.

As for Arrival/Red 13 songs in the set...I would agree that it is nice to have those represented. But, I don't think it should come at the cost of new songs. If I had my choice, I'd rather hear the new songs then "Higher Place" for the n'th time. I'd rather hear new songs then pre-Perry songs too.

The 'concept' of what Journey is trying to do looks nice on paper. But, the average fan is not going to get what he mostly wants - the songs he is familiar with and nothing else. It almost seems like Journey is trying to do too much all at once and it's hard for fans to digest. We'll see how things go for the rest of the tour, and how much the show changes.

Nicely Said, Monker. I agree 100%.

Monker wrote:Well, here are a couple of my thoughts.

If Styx can perform three or so new songs in 90mins, Journey should be able to perform six or so in 270mins. It seems like a huge defeat to only perform three new songs in a three hour concert.

I understand the reason for performing the pre-Infinity songs. But, I agree that it seems they are over-doing it. The only way I can see that many songs is if Gregg were back in the band singing them. Then it would make sense and I think more fans would accept it and not complain.

As for Deen singing, as long as he does a respectable job, who cares?

As for Ross singing, I haven't heard it.

As for Neal singing, I can take it or leave it...whatever.

As for so many people singing...That is what Styx and the Eagles do, and it is not what Journey has traditionaly done. If only one or so song is sung by Neal and Ross, Jonathan does only a few of Gregg's songs, Deen does songs he is best at, and Augeri gets a huge majority of the songs...I don't think it's a big deal. But, if everybody starts getting four or five songs, then I think it's too much of a change.

As for Arrival/Red 13 songs in the set...I would agree that it is nice to have those represented. But, I don't think it should come at the cost of new songs. If I had my choice, I'd rather hear the new songs then "Higher Place" for the n'th time. I'd rather hear new songs then pre-Perry songs too.

The 'concept' of what Journey is trying to do looks nice on paper. But, the average fan is not going to get what he mostly wants - the songs he is familiar with and nothing else. It almost seems like Journey is trying to do too much all at once and it's hard for fans to digest. We'll see how things go for the rest of the tour, and how much the show changes.

Wow I can't even argue with this one

Laminate Monker's last post and hand it out to newbies so they can strive to achieve such eloquence!

Journey will be in concert in my 'neck of the woods' in September.

Hey Rock: You know I'm a Journey fan - but how was it watching the band for 3-1/2 hours? That is one long concert.... (regardless of songs played). As much as I love their music - I'm wondering if I'll be able to hang around that long!

Liz22562 wrote:Journey will be in concert in my 'neck of the woods' in September.

Hey Rock: You know I'm a Journey fan - but how was it watching the band for 3-1/2 hours? That is one long concert.... (regardless of songs played). As much as I love their music - I'm wondering if I'll be able to hang around that long!

Hi Lizzie--

It's been awhile. Well, I am in Tuscon now, and will file a report tomorrow onthe changes the band has made. I am kind of sad, because these guys are artists, they are creative, and I'm not sure that if the fans "want warm and fuzzy Journey" that they will want to continue... I am a proponent of the Dirty dozen(more like dirty 18), but like some secondary songs too.

The intermission comes about 1:15 into the show..perfect for potty break and/or drink run... You better stay, or I will be disappointed in you!

jrnyman28 wrote:I don't have a problem with Deen singing 4 songs, but they should not be in a row. And Steve should not be sitting out for 45 minutes from singing. I liked the setlist from the first show, but I can understand adding Higher Place. I am also excited that I might get the chance to hear Mother, Father...something I have been kicking myself about. But I do not like taking 5 songs out of the "Generations" set, 2 or 3 is OK. And MIX the setlist up more, just change the order, so that Steve is out there more...

Add another agreement to that-ERIC

Maybe Journey should do what Dream Theater does and play different sets every nite. That's one of the reasons people follow DT city to city, because they know they will get a different show..

Just my 2 cents..

RoyalOakRoadie wrote:Maybe Journey should do what Dream Theater does and play different sets every nite. That's one of the reasons people follow DT city to city, because they know they will get a different show..

Just my 2 cents..

I like it!