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(Highlights)

Q:Are you annoyed Steve Perry is getting all the credit for the song?

JC: I'm not annoyed. They called him and asked him. He has the time to do it. I just finished a 60-city tour with the guys and we're knackered. We needed a little time off. So it was good that somebody from the camp went out there and made them happy. They did call us and asked us if we wanted to do something but said it couldn't be til game six or seven, so...

Q:Were you in touch with Steve Perry during the Series?

JC: I was not. We don't have a relationship, really. I don't think he has a relationship with anybody in this band. I think he wishes this band would go away -- but we won't

I like it. Now if he could say for how long, that is the question.

Cain throwing bombs on lil ol Perry... cool

Yeah, like they would have turned down a chanch like that. Too knackered to attend a World Series as an honored guest.

You should be embarrassed for that last remark of Cain's Deano. Pretty pathetic and desperate.

Sixth or seventh game?????????Now that is food for thought.

It seems to me that if the Series had gone to seven, then that appearance would have been HUGE! it didn't go that far so Journey was not involved. No biggie. The only part I think is crap, is how Jon says they needed the rest. Please, ONE performance somewhere...they were just in Denver. That was only a week later...

heardonthestreet wrote:You should be embarrassed for that last remark of Cain's Deano. Pretty pathetic and desperate.

If Jon genuinely believes that, whats the problem here?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

heardonthestreet wrote:You should be embarrassed for that last remark of Cain's Deano. Pretty pathetic and desperate.

If Jon genuinely believes that, whats the problem here?

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If he believes it or not, it's still pathetic. Why did he find it necessary to make the statement? Did Perry say something that I missed?

heardonthestreet wrote:
If he believes it or not, it's still pathetic. Why did he find it necessary to make the statement?

Why can't Jon state his feelings on the situation? More than likely, Perry does wish they would go and stay away (don't crack the stone and all that conceited jazz, remember?).
So what's the problem here?

from nick,
i can see how jon could be a bit resentful, he is from chicago(unless he is a diehard cubs fan like i am, in which case we are losers) and perry got all this attention in his city, i still think that at the end of the day, journey wins, they got a lot of attention that they never would have, and you have to think that they are going to gain some new fans from those who suddenly became interested, i don't see how this hurts journey at all, those that will never let perry go won't, all this stuff is good, the laguna beach stuff, monster, heck the current journey's management could never plan this out, you know, i almost compare being a fan of journey to being a baseball fan in chicago, you either love the cubs or the sox, but not both, and you actually hate the other side, even though i don't like the sox, i did pull for them in the end, journey with steve perry with always be the best version of the band, but they are pretty damn good now with steve a., i wish people could accept what reality is, appreciate the past and be glad there is still a great journey band out there, if perry ever comes back, it would be great, if not, what there is now will do

Ouch.....buuuurrrnnn!!! In black and white, that really sounds pretty resentful. I could be a mo' and analyze it to not sound so harsh, but even I'm not that stupid! However, that last part gives me alot of hope that the band will continue - hopefully with the current lineup!

But this sort of confirms, at least to me, that if for some strange reason Perry did comeback to Journey, Cain would probably be out.

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(Highlights)

Q:Are you annoyed Steve Perry is getting all the credit for the song?

JC: I'm not annoyed. They called him and asked him. He has the time to do it. I just finished a 60-city tour with the guys and we're knackered. We needed a little time off. So it was good that somebody from the camp went out there and made them happy. They did call us and asked us if we wanted to do something but said it couldn't be til game six or seven, so...

Q:Were you in touch with Steve Perry during the Series?

JC: I was not. We don't have a relationship, really. I don't think he has a relationship with anybody in this band. I think he wishes this band would go away -- but we won't

And i reckon that Journey wish that Perry would 'go away', but i tell you what, He aint.
The man gets more attention in 2 days than Journey have had all year. That is a resentful comment by Cain, if ever there was one.

Greggie wrote:But this sort of confirms, at least to me, that if for some strange reason Perry did comeback to Journey, Cain would probably be out.

I don't believe that.
They have all said unflattering things about Steve Perry.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't take him on for a reunion album/tour.

mystichealer wrote:And i reckon that Journey wish that Perry would 'go away', but i tell you what, He aint.

Who cares? If a singer ain't singing, then what good is he?

Perry was troted out by the Sox in front of the world and exploited as some sort of wierd anachronistic relic. If he makes any more embarassing public appearances such as these, the novelty is sure to fade.

mystichealer wrote:The man gets more attention in 2 days than Journey have had all year.

Maybe that's because his remaining 363 days of the year are spent in a cavern.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Greggie wrote:But this sort of confirms, at least to me, that if for some strange reason Perry did comeback to Journey, Cain would probably be out.

I don't believe that.
They have all said unflattering things about Steve Perry.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't take him on for a reunion album/tour.

From Cain saying that he has no relationship with Perry, it doesn't suggest to me that they would be welcoming him back with "open arms" either. I'm not saying that they can't set aside their differences like mature adults, but I would believe before these guys decided to be in a band again, they would have serve some serious counseling time, ala Metallica, lol! There is no way they could work together having no relationship.

Greggie wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Greggie wrote:But this sort of confirms, at least to me, that if for some strange reason Perry did comeback to Journey, Cain would probably be out.

I don't believe that.
They have all said unflattering things about Steve Perry.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't take him on for a reunion album/tour.

From Cain saying that he has no relationship with Perry, it doesn't suggest to me that they would be welcoming him back with "open arms" either. I'm not saying that they can't set aside their differences like mature adults, but I would believe before these guys decided to be in a band again, they would have serve some serious counseling time, ala Metallica, lol! There is no way they could work together having no relationship.

They had no relationship around the time of TBF, either.
Perry left them all hanging. Didn't even have the decency to call them and notify them of his "situation". If they don't have a relationshio with Perry now, it's because Perry chooses not to. When it came time to ask the guys for permission to use DSB in the film, Monster, he had the guys contacted thru attorneys. The man is notoriously reclusive. Even his former drummer, Moyes Lucas stated that Perry will no longer returns his calls.

Greggie wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Greggie wrote:But this sort of confirms, at least to me, that if for some strange reason Perry did comeback to Journey, Cain would probably be out.

I don't believe that.
They have all said unflattering things about Steve Perry.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't take him on for a reunion album/tour.

From Cain saying that he has no relationship with Perry, it doesn't suggest to me that they would be welcoming him back with "open arms" either. I'm not saying that they can't set aside their differences like mature adults, but I would believe before these guys decided to be in a band again, they would have serve some serious counseling time, ala Metallica, lol! There is no way they could work together having no relationship.

Why would Perry want to work with these guy's anymore, when they take swipes at the man all the time. He's far better of stayin outta there, and well away from them.
I am certain that Perry could write material in his sleep, that would be superior to anything the band Journey have done since 'Trial By Fire'. well 'Arrival' was very good effort.

mystichealer wrote:Why would Perry want to work with these guy's anymore, when they take swipes at the man all the time.

Prolly because he knows their comments about him are justified. Why else did he make them all sign gag orders?
I'll tell you why; to prevent the world from hearing what a reprobate and venal sleazebag he truly is.

mystichealer wrote:He's far better of stayin outta there, and well away from them.

Of course he is.
Being out of a touring band allows his horribly crippled voice to remain hidden.

mystichealer wrote:I am certain that Perry could write material in his sleep, that would be superior to anything the band Journey have done since 'Trial By Fire'.

So why hasn't he?

mystichealer wrote:well 'Arrival' was very good effort.

Generations was even better!

mystichealer wrote:

And i reckon that Journey wish that Perry would 'go away', but i tell you what, He aint.
The man gets more attention in 2 days than Journey have had all year. That is a resentful comment by Cain, if ever there was one.

Well guys, there's no denying the truth of this statement. You may not agree with it, and I'm sure you can find all kinds of ways to divert attention from the simple truth of it, but it will remain true. It doesn't matter what justifications you can come up with for Jon's feelings, the truth divulged by his words will still remain. If I was in his position I'd feel the same way.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:They had no relationship around the time of TBF, either.

.......and that perfectly proves my point. They had no relationship during TBF, so look what the end result was. The band members are not stupid. They know good and well if they did this Journey thing with Perry once more, then the band members are going to have to establish a better relationship with Steve Perry and Steve Perry with the band members.

I mean, it doesn't matter who did what and so forth and so on...that is history...it's old news.

Greggie wrote:
I mean, it doesn't matter who did what and so forth and so on...that is history...it's old news.

Exactly. Bravo Greggie.



Jon was obviously bitter about this, and I would be too under the same circumstances. That doesn't change the reality of the general pubic's perception of Journey.

ohsherrie wrote:

mystichealer wrote:

And i reckon that Journey wish that Perry would 'go away', but i tell you what, He aint.
The man gets more attention in 2 days than Journey have had all year. That is a resentful comment by Cain, if ever there was one.

Well guys, there's no denying the truth of this statement.

I didn't see anyone here denying that Perry's return was enveloped by media coverage.
What are you talking about?

ohsherrie wrote:You may not agree with it,

Again, who here disagreed that Perry's appearance in Chicago was greeted with an inordinate amount of media?
I didn't see anyone controverting that. Again, who are you adressing?

ohsherrie wrote:and I'm sure you can find all kinds of ways to divert attention from the simple truth of it, but it will remain true.

What is there to divert attention from?
Perry's appearance in Chicago garnered a good deal of publicity.
Is there something more to this story that I am missing here?

ohsherrie wrote:It doesn't matter what justifications you can come up with for Jon's feelings, the truth divulged by his words will still remain.

And that truth would be what exactly?
Jon said Perry wants the band to disappear and Perry's comments reflect this to a tee ("don't crack the stone", remember?)

ohsherrie wrote:If I was in his position I'd feel the same way.

Huh?
So if u were in Jon's position, u also would be feeling that Perry wants your band to disappear? Strange.

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(Highlights)

Q:Are you annoyed Steve Perry is getting all the credit for the song?

JC: I'm not annoyed. They called him and asked him. He has the time to do it. I just finished a 60-city tour with the guys and we're knackered. We needed a little time off. So it was good that somebody from the camp went out there and made them happy. They did call us and asked us if we wanted to do something but said it couldn't be til game six or seven, so...

Q:Were you in touch with Steve Perry during the Series?

JC: I was not. We don't have a relationship, really. I don't think he has a relationship with anybody in this band. I think he wishes this band would go away -- but we won't

"He thinks..." I swear Neal and Jon have some Perry Complex. If they're out touring and doing what they want to keep the music going, what is the deal with these paranoid comments.
You KNOW Augeri, Castronovo and Valory don't give a crap what Perry says or does....they want to make music and tour...period. Not get is some pissing match with Perry...just my opinion...

Greggie wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:They had no relationship around the time of TBF, either.

.......and that perfectly proves my point. They had no relationship during TBF, so look what the end result was. The band members are not stupid. They know good and well if they did this Journey thing with Perry once more, then the band members are going to have to establish a better relationship with Steve Perry and Steve Perry with the band members.

I mean, it doesn't matter who did what and so forth and so on...that is history...it's old news.

I agree...it comes down to egos, pure and simple. If they could have put them aside....the world was their oyster.
Christ, Jagger and Richards hate each others guts....and they're still picking the STADIUMS they want to play....not casinos or country fairs.

here's a notion that's sure to get a few people riled up. maybe this should go under journey conspiracy theories...but here goes:

conspiracies:

• Steve Perry is mentally ill. His bipolar disorder reared its head in his mid twenties and reached its peak around the time of Street Talk.

• No one in the band besides probably Steve Augeri and Gregg Rolie truly are the genuine guys that their adoring fans make them out to be.

• Steve Perry has done as much for the brand Journey by promoting their back catalog as the current Journey has done by touring over the past 6 years.

• I would venture to say that aside from touring, NO ONE in the band really has any contact with each other. I see the band in its current form as a group of musical professionals who have separate lives and identities but come together 4-5 months of every year to tour around.

• Steve Augeri's made a lot of money and his family needs him and I would venture to say that from looking at the inside of this operation over the past 7 years, he's packing up his parachute.


Now, go put that in a crack pipe and smoke it!

Greggie wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:They had no relationship around the time of TBF, either.

.......and that perfectly proves my point. They had no relationship during TBF, so look what the end result was. The band members are not stupid. They know good and well if they did this Journey thing with Perry once more, then the band members are going to have to establish a better relationship with Steve Perry and Steve Perry with the band members.
.

Perry and Journey didn't even have a relationship two decades ago when he travelled in his own limo seperate from the band, which he was never part of...they certainly will never have one at this point whether they work together or not.
A tour with Perry, if he could sing his way through one, would see him spending even less time with the guys than Ed and Al spent wth Sammy and Mike on the VH reunion tour.

Jeremey wrote:
• I would venture to say that aside from touring, NO ONE in the band really has any contact with each other. I see the band in its current form as a group of musical professionals who have separate lives and identities but come together 4-5 months of every year to tour around.

Judging by their less than polific output over the past 8 years, i am inclined to believe you here.

ohsherrie wrote:

mystichealer wrote:And i reckon that Journey wish that Perry would 'go away', but i tell you what, He aint.
The man gets more attention in 2 days than Journey have had all year. That is a resentful comment by Cain, if ever there was one.

Well guys, there's no denying the truth of this statement. You may not agree with it, and I'm sure you can find all kinds of ways to divert attention from the simple truth of it, but it will remain true. It doesn't matter what justifications you can come up with for Jon's feelings, the truth divulged by his words will still remain. If I was in his position I'd feel the same way.

The attention Perry got was not flattering to him or the band. When ESPN and other stations showed highlights of him singing, the reaction was similar to Carl Lewis' butchering of the national anthem. I'm not saying Perry was nearly that bad, but it seems he just made people realize why he is not in Journey anymore. Who needs that kind of attention?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I didn't see anyone here denying that Perry's return was enveloped by media coverage.
What are you talking about?

Again, who here disagreed that Perry's appearance in Chicago was greeted with an inordinate amount of media?
I didn't see anyone controverting that. Again, who are you adressing?

What is there to divert attention from?
Perry's appearance in Chicago garnered a good deal of publicity.
Is there something more to this story that I am missing here?

Huh? That's not what I was talking about. What are you talking about?
I meant that there was no denying Jon's resentment of Steve's getting the attention. I was expecting someone to come in trying to explain away Jon's attitude the way some do when Neal makes resentful remarks.

Jon said Perry wants the band to disappear and Perry's comments reflect this to a tee ("don't crack the stone", remember?)

Yeah, I know.

So if u were in Jon's position, u also would be feeling that Perry wants your band to disappear? Strange.

Why does that shock you? How could Jon help feeling that way?

Regardless of who did what to whom and why over the years, what currently exists is the inevitable result. They all have good and bad memories of their time together, and they all resent, for their own reasons, the present situation. I don't think the feelings reflected by Jon's comment came solely from the World Series exposure Steve got.

Jeremey wrote:here's a notion that's sure to get a few people riled up. maybe this should go under journey conspiracy theories...but here goes:

conspiracies:

• Steve Perry is mentally ill. His bipolar disorder reared its head in his mid twenties and reached its peak around the time of Street Talk.

• No one in the band besides probably Steve Augeri and Gregg Rolie truly are the genuine guys that their adoring fans make them out to be.

• Steve Perry has done as much for the brand Journey by promoting their back catalog as the current Journey has done by touring over the past 6 years.

• I would venture to say that aside from touring, NO ONE in the band really has any contact with each other. I see the band in its current form as a group of musical professionals who have separate lives and identities but come together 4-5 months of every year to tour around.

• Steve Augeri's made a lot of money and his family needs him and I would venture to say that from looking at the inside of this operation over the past 7 years, he's packing up his parachute.


Now, go put that in a crack pipe and smoke it!

It all makes sense to me, and I'm not even smoking anything.

Even the bi-polar theory isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. There are many grades of severity in bi-polar conditions, and they're a lot more prevalent than most people realize. Not that I'm saying Steve suffers from this condition, only that it's not impossible.

All the other things sound totally plausible.

NealIsGod wrote:The attention Perry got was not flattering to him or the band. When ESPN and other stations showed highlights of him singing, the reaction was similar to Carl Lewis' butchering of the national anthem. I'm not saying Perry was nearly that bad, but it seems he just made people realize why he is not in Journey anymore. Who needs that kind of attention?

I don't really think anything Steve did at the games had any effect on the band, negative or positive. I don't think most of the general public was expecting a concert, or even cared how he sounded when he sang with the team. Anyone who would expect him to sound in concert form under those conditions, and make cracks about it when he didn't, was probably just trying to be objectionable, or maybe just a smartass.

If there's any effect at all, it will come from the World Series Champion ChiSox bringing attention to a Journey song and getting exposure for the song and the name.

NoMoreTails wrote:Perry and Journey didn't even have a relationship two decades ago when he travelled in his own limo seperate from the band, which he was never part of...they certainly will never have one at this point whether they work together or not.
A tour with Perry, if he could sing his way through one, would see him spending even less time with the guys than Ed and Al spent wth Sammy and Mike on the VH reunion tour.

Again, exactly proves my point. Look how much more successful the band would have been if the guys had a good working relationship among each other AND especially a good working relationship(Perry) with the band manager. If this was true, then Journey would have released "Freedom" right after Frontiers or at least soon after. It wouldn't have sounded like ROR, although I think that album was a good album, it would have sounded right along the lines of Frontiers and Escape. Journey would have probably been twice as rich and probably would have put out at least another good album before the grunge era had kicked in.