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and an audience...

I pretty sure there's ENOUGH OF US ON THIS BOARD to give him one!!

cribbed from the UJB Transcription:

"UJ: Pretty powerful getting off stage, after performing like that, you gotta be rushing for a while.

SP: Yeah, it’s rough.

UJ: That part has not been a draw for you for quite some time.

SP: Well I can’t say that. I can’t, you, how honest do you want me to be?

UJ: Extremely.

SP: Ok. It isn’t that I don’t miss it. I miss it terribly. There’s just other things right now that I can’t get into, but vocally there’s no way that I can bring certain vocal things out of myself in front of a microphone with a pair of headphones in a studio that I can find when I’m standing in front of people. People bring it that out of me, it’s their voice; it’s not mine, because I can’t do it without them there, so obviously it belongs to them. Because without their input at that moment to get me to do things, I can’t get them, I can’t go get them. And very interesting, and so what I miss I think is that what they bring out of me that I can’t get without them."

So, Steve....you want an audience to "showcase" new material?

All you need to do is ask.

If this is any indication of what an audience can do for him, I say go for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

tragchk wrote:SP: Ok. It isn’t that I don’t miss it. I miss it terribly. There’s just other things right now that I can’t get into, but vocally there’s no way that I can bring certain vocal things out of myself in front of a microphone with a pair of headphones in a studio that I can find when I’m standing in front of people. People bring it that out of me, it’s their voice; it’s not mine, because I can’t do it without them there, so obviously it belongs to them. Because without their input at that moment to get me to do things, I can’t get them, I can’t go get them. And very interesting, and so what I miss I think is that what they bring out of me that I can’t get without them."[/b]

Yeah, but the problem with his statement above is that he did some pretty incredible studio work (Happy to Give, Eyes of a Woman) WITHOUT an audience then, so maybe he's saying at this stage in his life?

Nora..I swear I think you eat drink and sleep Espee! ....and I called myself the voice lover?...girl u got me beat by a mile!
your right, though...Perry's got to know there is an audience out here waiting to help "pull something more" out of him.....so don't understand whats holding him back. Must be personal issues...still working them out.....don't know. Wish he had a website were we could go everyday to boost his moral....give encouragement.......a kick in the butt!

TVL wrote:Nora..I swear I think you eat drink and sleep Espee! ....and I called myself the voice lover?...girl u got me beat by a mile! your right, though...Perry's got to know there is an audience out here waiting to help "pull something more" out of him.....so don't understand whats holding him back. Must be personal issues...still working them out.....don't know. Wish he had a website were we could go everyday to boost his moral....give encouragement.......a kick in the butt!

Well, this is what happens when you're home sick...and bored....

Thanks Nora for posting this

I have always felt that this song was one of Mr. P's strongest - maybe not the highest notes ever - however, the consistancy he had when putting this out - pure strenghth!

Pure magic!!

Cat

tragchk wrote:and an audience...

I pretty sure there's ENOUGH OF US ON THIS BOARD to give him one!!

cribbed from the UJB Transcription:

"UJ: Pretty powerful getting off stage, after performing like that, you gotta be rushing for a while.

SP: Yeah, it’s rough.

UJ: That part has not been a draw for you for quite some time.

SP: Well I can’t say that. I can’t, you, how honest do you want me to be?

UJ: Extremely.

SP: Ok. It isn’t that I don’t miss it. I miss it terribly. There’s just other things right now that I can’t get into, but vocally there’s no way that I can bring certain vocal things out of myself in front of a microphone with a pair of headphones in a studio that I can find when I’m standing in front of people. People bring it that out of me, it’s their voice; it’s not mine, because I can’t do it without them there, so obviously it belongs to them. Because without their input at that moment to get me to do things, I can’t get them, I can’t go get them. And very interesting, and so what I miss I think is that what they bring out of me that I can’t get without them."

So, Steve....you want an audience to "showcase" new material?

All you need to do is ask.

If this is any indication of what an audience can do for him, I say go for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

Something tells me there'd be quite a few volunteers. geez. One place. One Show. We'd fly to it if need be.

tragchk wrote:

TVL wrote:Nora..I swear I think you eat drink and sleep Espee! ....and I called myself the voice lover?...girl u got me beat by a mile! your right, though...Perry's got to know there is an audience out here waiting to help "pull something more" out of him.....so don't understand whats holding him back. Must be personal issues...still working them out.....don't know. Wish he had a website were we could go everyday to boost his moral....give encouragement.......a kick in the butt!

Well, this is what happens when you're home sick...and bored....

hope u feel better soon! Kick back and listen to Espee sing..........he'll give you the same encouragement that he looks for!

TVL wrote::lol: hope u feel better soon!

Thanx....yeah I know - I can get "carried away" with the best of 'em! LOL

Kick back and listen to Espee sing..........he'll give you the same encouragement that he looks for!

Actually, I did just that....I listened to the YT "Still They Ride" on headphones.....and thought to myself, "WHO CARES about his high range?? His mid-to-lower range is MORE powerful and soulful!"

And (IF) he's been working on THAT range of his voice, according to UJB, then.....MAN that would be something to behold...

fred_journeyman wrote:

tragchk wrote:SP: Ok. It isn’t that I don’t miss it. I miss it terribly. There’s just other things right now that I can’t get into, but vocally there’s no way that I can bring certain vocal things out of myself in front of a microphone with a pair of headphones in a studio that I can find when I’m standing in front of people. People bring it that out of me, it’s their voice; it’s not mine, because I can’t do it without them there, so obviously it belongs to them. Because without their input at that moment to get me to do things, I can’t get them, I can’t go get them. And very interesting, and so what I miss I think is that what they bring out of me that I can’t get without them."[/b]

Yeah, but the problem with his statement above is that he did some pretty incredible studio work (Happy to Give, Eyes of a Woman) WITHOUT an audience then, so maybe he's saying at this stage in his life?

Hi Fred, I've read a few of your posts this afternoon after being pretty much away for the last couple weeks. You've written some good insightful stuff.

I think what he meant by that quote is the same thing he meant when talking about the remastering of the Houston '81. He said his performance of Open Arms was exactly what he always wanted it to be and that was because of the live performance energy. He's said many times that live performance is where a band lives. You know how he always added just a little something, even if it was just a certain nuance to his live performances?

I certainly hope he's not uncertain about having an audience to give him the love back because a lot of us are still out here.

tragchk wrote:

TVL wrote:Nora..I swear I think you eat drink and sleep Espee! ....and I called myself the voice lover?...girl u got me beat by a mile! your right, though...Perry's got to know there is an audience out here waiting to help "pull something more" out of him.....so don't understand whats holding him back. Must be personal issues...still working them out.....don't know. Wish he had a website were we could go everyday to boost his moral....give encouragement.......a kick in the butt!

Well, this is what happens when you're home sick...and bored....

just dont post drunk!!! LOL...

I would by a ticket to hear SP sing again...!!

Nora that was exactly the way I got it! My goodness if he needs validation he really doesn't need to look that far! My god we are here.He was doing perfection then and really didn't know it.I also think his lower range is powerful and very soulful.Either he has a problem with afraid of being rejected or he has a depression problem.Either way he needs to go back to his first love and that is singing.He will be amazed at all of his faithful fans that have waited.

I think its a combo of what he thinks people would expect of him, and what he expects from himself, and I am talking about his upper range. What set him apart from most other singers was his high tenor range, and he knows this. He should take encouragment from T.B.F. he sounds great even without all the high stuff, it would be great to hear something
new from him...

ohsherrie wrote:Hi Fred, I've read a few of your posts this afternoon after being pretty much away for the last couple weeks. You've written some good insightful stuff.

Why thanks. You're swell.

I think what he meant by that quote is the same thing he meant when talking about the remastering of the Houston '81. He said his performance of Open Arms was exactly what he always wanted it to be and that was because of the live performance energy. He's said many times that live performance is where a band lives. You know how he always added just a little something, even if it was just a certain nuance to his live performances?

You could be right. I could have misinterpreted his comments. By the way, speaking of performances, are you aware of whether or not Perry ever did "Happy to Give" or "Eyes of a Woman" live?

I certainly hope he's not uncertain about having an audience to give him the love back because a lot of us are still out here.

I would hope not as well.

Good question, Fred ! Does anyone know if SP ever did Happy To Give and The Eyes Of A Woman live?? If so...are there any recordings of it out there?

fred_journeyman wrote:
You could be right. I could have misinterpreted his comments. By the way, speaking of performances, are you aware of whether or not Perry ever did "Happy to Give" or "Eyes of a Woman" live?

I can't say for sure but I've never heard a bootleg of either of them. Sallee might know more about that because she's got so many boots.

I certainly hope he's not uncertain about having an audience to give him the love back because a lot of us are still out here.

I would hope not as well.

I don't know what more any of us can do to give him confidence in us. Maybe it would help if people could stop villifying him for ROR, TBF, his health problems, his emotional conflicts, etc. He's just a guy afterall. A very talented guy, but still just a guy.

ohsherrie wrote:
I certainly hope he's not uncertain about having an audience to give him the love back because a lot of us are still out here.

No worries there ohsherrie.....he knows he's got "faithful ones" out here.

TVL wrote:Good question, Fred ! Does anyone know if SP ever did Happy To Give and The Eyes Of A Woman live?? If so...are there any recordings of it out there?

Yes, good question.....I've got about 6 ROR and he doesn't do either one of those on any of them. Does anybody that went to the ROR concerts back in the day remember him doing these songs? Deano? Sallee? SF-Dano?

i'll sit in the studio with him... & he won't have to pay me. just buy me lunch! };C))

tragchk wrote:If this is any indication of what an audience can do for him, I say go for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

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Aaaahhhh....my fave J. song and fave performance of it! I wish he would invite us into the studio with him or get on stage so we can show him the love. There would be so much screaming in the audience that he probably couldn't be heard anyway!

I took away much the same thing, like he was afraid there wouldn't be an audience. Are you kidding me? We're dying at his feet here.

silverblue wrote:

tragchk wrote:If this is any indication of what an audience can do for him, I say go for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

************

Aaaahhhh....my fave J. song and fave performance of it! I wish he would invite us into the studio with him or get on stage so we can show him the love. There would be so much screaming in the audience that he probably couldn't be heard anyway!

YES ~ a literal "Studio Audience" hahaha....

OK ~ THAT'S IT ~ PROBLEM SOLVED....:wink:

scarygirl wrote:I took away much the same thing, like he was afraid there wouldn't be an audience. Are you kidding me? We're dying at his feet here.

I hadn't thought about it that way - but yes - it makes sense. It seems that Perry has always had a keen business sene and was acutely aware of his commercial pulling power. Cain once alluded to how disheartened Perry was about the sales of ROR - even though it went triple platinum - and how he tried to pursuade Perry that Journey were still a vital force even though they no longer could sell the amount of copies they did between 1981 and 1983.

Then Perry decides to take a risk and come back in the 1990s...and the sales drop even lower. We might think that 1,000,000 copies of TBF was a success - but perhaps Perry saw this as terrible disappointment...a sign that his "moment in time" (as he once called it) had passed?

For a guy who achieved all his wildest dreams in 1983 the process of managing the decline in the years after that would hardly seem as inspiring as reaching the top in the first place.

Maybe Perry is too proud...but equally he has kept his dignity and he has never embarassed us like so many older performers do..and the memories of his glory years remain untarnished. More and more I'm coming around to the idea that he did the right thing and that his decision to withdraw is to be admired.

Remember when Perry said; "No-one wants a 50 year old rock star with a walking stick"? I'm not sure if that's a exact quote but it's certainly good point.

Perry reminds me of the writer J.D Salinger...who it is rumoured still writes novels..but hasn't published anything since the mid-1960s. He might still using his talent but he has no interest in the publishing industry and as a result the status of his legacy and his mystique has risen over the decades....whilst the careers of other writers who can't 'let go' at the right time have declined.

Matthew wrote:

scarygirl wrote:I took away much the same thing, like he was afraid there wouldn't be an audience. Are you kidding me? We're dying at his feet here.

I hadn't thought about it that way - but yes - it makes sense. It seems that Perry has always had a keen business sene and was acutely aware of his commercial pulling power. Cain once alluded to how disheartened Perry was about the sales of ROR - even though it went triple platinum - and how he tried to pursuade Perry that Journey were still a vital force even though they no longer could sell the amount of copies they did between 1981 and 1983.

Then Perry decides to take a risk and come back in the 1990s...and the sales drop even lower. We might think that 1,000,000 copies of TBF was a success - but perhaps Perry saw this as terrible disappointment...a sign that his "moment in time" (as he once called it) had passed?

For a guy who achieved all his wildest dreams in 1983 the process of managing the decline in the years after that would hardly seem as inspiring as reaching the top in the first place.

Maybe Perry is too proud...but equally he has kept his dignity and he has never embarassed us like so many older performers do..and the memories of his glory years remain untarnished. More and more I'm coming around to the idea that he did the right thing and that his decision to withdraw is to be admired.

Remember when Perry said; "No-one wants a 50 year old rock star with a walking stick"? I'm not sure if that's a exact quote but it's certainly good point.

Perry reminds me of the writer J.D Salinger...who it is rumoured still writes novels..but hasn't published anything since the mid-1960s. He might still using his talent but he has no interest in the publishing industry and as a result the status of his legacy and his mystique has risen over the decades....whilst the careers of other writers who can't 'let go' at the right time have declined.

Trial By Fire was "shipped" platinum. In reality, its actual sales were 500,000. Sony took a bath on that album. They lost millions due to the fact that they gave Journey a blank check because they were certain they would reap in huge profits with the TBF tour. That, of course, never happened.

Matthew wrote:I hadn't thought about it that way - but yes - it makes sense. It seems that Perry has always had a keen business sene and was acutely aware of his commercial pulling power. Cain once alluded to how disheartened Perry was about the sales of ROR - even though it went triple platinum - and how he tried to pursuade Perry that Journey were still a vital force even though they no longer could sell the amount of copies they did between 1981 and 1983.

Then Perry decides to take a risk and come back in the 1990s...and the sales drop even lower. We might think that 1,000,000 copies of TBF was a success - but perhaps Perry saw this as terrible disappointment...a sign that his "moment in time" (as he once called it) had passed?

For a guy who achieved all his wildest dreams in 1983 the process of managing the decline in the years after that would hardly seem as inspiring as reaching the top in the first place.

Maybe Perry is too proud...but equally he has kept his dignity and he has never embarassed us like so many older performers do..and the memories of his glory years remain untarnished. More and more I'm coming around to the idea that he did the right thing and that his decision to withdraw is to be admired.

Remember when Perry said; "No-one wants a 50 year old rock star with a walking stick"? I'm not sure if that's a exact quote but it's certainly good point.

Perry reminds me of the writer J.D Salinger...who it is rumoured still writes novels..but hasn't published anything since the mid-1960s. He might still using his talent but he has no interest in the publishing industry and as a result the status of his legacy and his mystique has risen over the decades....whilst the careers of other writers who can't 'let go' at the right time have declined.

Good post Matt. He also said in an interview not too long ago that he would never want to be a parody of himself. This is why I thought it would be a good idea for him to do some covers of songs by the R&B artists that inspired him. That way he wouldn't actually be trying to regain his own past, but paying tribute to it.

RPM wrote:I think its a combo of what he thinks people would expect of him, and what he expects from himself, and I am talking about his upper range. What set him apart from most other singers was his high tenor range, and he knows this. He should take encouragment from T.B.F. he sounds great even without all the high stuff, it would be great to hear something
new from him...

Exactly the impression I get from him too. Just wish he would realize it was more about how he emoted a song than the range for alot of us. Think that is why Still They Ride is my fav.....not alot of high range.......but stunning soaring vocals. He said in the Q&As he's been listening to ROR, TBF and his solo work in his car lately.......maybe he'll realize it isn't ALL about the range to most of us. Gawd Stevie give me half of what you had vocally and I'd still be happy. Ya know ya gotta have more "Can't Stop"s in there somewhere.