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Not trying to start a war, but I think this article has some really good points concerning all. They dont pump Jeff up enough, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on this:

December 19th

An official statement was issued from Journey on their website, journeymusic.com, stating that Jeff
Scott Soto was the new lead singer in the band.



Shipwreck Island Studios Official Response:

Through-out history there has been high points as well as low points. This holds true in life & in
business, but sometimes these things mesh together. It was announced last night that Steve Augeri
has been permanently relieved of his lead vocal duties for the band Journey. Stepping in will be vocalist
Jeff Scott Soto. In 2004 Journey Guitarist Neal Schon formed Soul SirkUS with Jeff Scott Soto. The
band released technically 2 albums and played a handful of live shows before calling it quits to pursue
other projects.


To some this change in Journey may come as a bit of a shock but for many this is just the boom after
the storm. After a summer of controversial news surrounding Steve Augeri this new information just adds
another chink in the Journey legacy chain. As Journey's summer tour with Def Leppard rolled on there
were no official statements made, hardly any interviews done and they even had a great opportunity to
be on the nationally syndicated radio call in show "Rockline" to clear the air with their fans but even that
appearance was cancelled.



This isn't the first time the band has been in controversy. In 1986 members Jonathan Cain, Neal Schon
and singer Steve Perry ousted bandmates Steve Smith & Ross Valory because they were not capturing
the sound "Journey" was looking for. What happened then is very similar to what has happened in 2006.
Steve Augeri was ousted not because he couldn't cut it, but because the band was looking to go in a
different direction with a different sound. Is it really that cut and dry? Clearly not when you consider in
recent years that longtime Journey members have not been fan friendly. Their official website has very
little to do with the actual band which makes no sense after all what is the point of having an official
website if you aren't using it? Will any real music fan know the truth behind this legendary band, from
Perry's 1996/97 departure to Augeri's oust in 2006?



Many questions were posed when the summer started and Jeff Scott Soto was announced as the
temporary lead singer yet there have been no answers. There's always a cover story, a piece of
information that allows the band to push forward so they can avoid the real truth as to what is happening
with the music we all have grown to love.



What is lost in the mix is that the music we have all come to love is dieing. Journey and other bands
like them are at the end of their careers like it or not and are not pushing the younger talent that is out
there. These fresh new acts have drawn inspiration from legendary classic rock bands and yet they have
to work harder then ever to be noticed. This has nothing to do with the music industry; this has
everything to do with legends not giving back to the people that made them.



Neal Schon & Company have once again attempted to push "Journey" in a different direction. Yet again
opening themselves up to the post Perry accusation that they can not cut it without "The Voice." It has
been said that when someone takes over a position in any situation the 2nd person always has the
hardest job. Steve Augeri had the most difficult job in the "Journey" lifeline because he had to show that
the band could in fact move on without Steve Perry. While there were no monster hits, hardly any radio
interviews & TV appearances, Steve fronted 1 full album, an EP, a live DVD and a handful of tracks on
"Generations." Now the 3rd person to take over a position always has the easiest job because they do
not have to follow the ground rules that were originally enforced. What makes it even easier is the fact
that most critics & fair weather fans are eager to jump on the bandwagon because it's something new
and yet they have no real knowledge of what has occurred nor do they care.



Steve Augeri will be remembered as an amazing singer, a torchbearer and an all around nice guy. A
man who simply gave it his all but his all just wasn't good enough for some. We wish Steve all the best
in his future endeavors and look forward to hearing his first ever solo album entitled "In The Moment"
which will be released in 2007. This is hardly the end of the line but a new beginning for Steve as he is
finally out of the shadows of controversy that have surrounded "Journey."



In 2008 Journey will release an all new Studio album fronted by Jeff Scott Soto, time will tell how this
album is received by music fans. One thing is certainly clear, there's major hype behind this new band
arrangement. Hype usually leads to trouble and causes massive disillusion and panic. There has always
been a rift in Journey between current members and former members but now there's an even bigger
one, Current Members & Their Fans.

I think this was already deleted once.

What is the Shipwreck Island Studios?

No, they didn't pump Jeff up; but IMHO, that didn't seem to be the purpose of the article..pretty decent history of the band 'tho.

I don't disagree with anything this guy's said. Time will tell how long this version of Journey will endure ...I'm still enjoying the ride. I feel Jeff is the kick in the ass that this band's needed for some time and I'm very much looking forward to the new studio album!

NealIsGod wrote:I think this was already deleted once.

Why was it deleted? Its got some good points regarding Journey now and then.

Catherine!
I posted this article yesterday and it was deleted. I have a post further down, "Merit or Demerit" asking Andrew about it.
It's Andrew's forum so it is his right. It can't make everyone jump for joy but it will make a lot of Augeri fans happy and maybe even Augeri, if he reads it. Some positive feedback has to start happening for him somewhere and where best than where it all started?

Catherine wrote:Why was it deleted? Its got some good points regarding Journey now and then.

Because fighting may occur. Just my thought.

Catherine wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:I think this was already deleted once.

Why was it deleted? Its got some good points regarding Journey now and then.

I dunno. I got no problem with it.

"Steve Augeri will be remembered as an amazing singer, a torchbearer and an all around nice guy. A
man who simply gave it his all but his all just wasn't good enough for some. We wish Steve all the best
in his future endeavors and look forward to hearing his first ever solo album entitled "In The Moment"
which will be released in 2007. This is hardly the end of the line but a new beginning for Steve as he is
finally out of the shadows of controversy that have surrounded "Journey."

1) Who will remember him as an amazing singer? He was never on the radio, never had a hit, and sang Perry-era Journey covers at concerts.
2) He wasn't a torchbearer. When he left, they were essentially in the same spot they were when he arrived....arguably in a worse spot. They pretty much "ran in place" for 8 years.
3) "Nice guys" don't lip sync.....ever.
4) Who is the "we" that wishes Steve Augeri "all the best?"
5) This IS "the end of the line."

for the record (and Andrew) I honestly wasnt trying to start shit altough there are those here that will take this and make it that way. I honestly thought this was a good article!

On the same site this is an item looking ahead to 2007.

Steve Augeri: In The Moment

Former Journey frontman Steve Augeri sets his sights on "In The Moment" a collection of personally crafted material. Steve mentioned several times in '05 and in the beginning of '06 that he had been working on writing this material on and off as Journey was on tour. With his tenure with Journey now complete, he can set his sights higher and show his true fans what he can do on his own. Look for "In The Moment" to be released this summer.


Maybe he'll have his fansite up and running if he can read feedback like this.

Catherine wrote:for the record (and Andrew) I honestly wasnt trying to start shit altough there are those here that will take this and make it that way. I honestly thought this was a good article!

I found plenty wrong with it. Just look at the post above yours.

heardonthestreet wrote:On the same site this is an item looking ahead to 2007.

Steve Augeri: In The Moment

Former Journey frontman Steve Augeri sets his sights on "In The Moment" a collection of personally crafted material. Steve mentioned several times in '05 and in the beginning of '06 that he had been working on writing this material on and off as Journey was on tour. With his tenure with Journey now complete, he can set his sights higher and show his true fans what he can do on his own. Look for "In The Moment" to be released this summer.


Maybe he'll have his fansite up and running if he can read feedback like this.

Since when do you care about Augeri? You were one of his main detractors!

Is there an actual link to the article? It's a little hard to read here with the paragraphs the way they are.

saint John wrote:"Steve Augeri will be remembered as an amazing singer, a torchbearer and an all around nice guy. A
man who simply gave it his all but his all just wasn't good enough for some. We wish Steve all the best
in his future endeavors and look forward to hearing his first ever solo album entitled "In The Moment"
which will be released in 2007. This is hardly the end of the line but a new beginning for Steve as he is
finally out of the shadows of controversy that have surrounded "Journey."

1) Who will remember him as an amazing singer? He was never on the radio, never had a hit, and sang Perry-era Journey covers at concerts.
2) He wasn't a torchbearer. When he left, they were essentially in the same spot they were when he arrived....arguably in a worse spot. They pretty much "ran in place" for 8 years.
3) "Nice guys" don't lip sync.....ever.
4) Who is the "we" that wishes Steve Augeri "all the best?"
5) This IS "the end of the line."

I know Augeri had quite a following on the internet and those people will remember him as amazing, but hardly anyone else even knows his name. That's why I asked what this Shipwreck Studios is?

ohsherrie wrote:

saint John wrote:"Steve Augeri will be remembered as an amazing singer, a torchbearer and an all around nice guy. A
man who simply gave it his all but his all just wasn't good enough for some. We wish Steve all the best
in his future endeavors and look forward to hearing his first ever solo album entitled "In The Moment"
which will be released in 2007. This is hardly the end of the line but a new beginning for Steve as he is
finally out of the shadows of controversy that have surrounded "Journey."

1) Who will remember him as an amazing singer? He was never on the radio, never had a hit, and sang Perry-era Journey covers at concerts.
2) He wasn't a torchbearer. When he left, they were essentially in the same spot they were when he arrived....arguably in a worse spot. They pretty much "ran in place" for 8 years.
3) "Nice guys" don't lip sync.....ever.
4) Who is the "we" that wishes Steve Augeri "all the best?"
5) This IS "the end of the line."

I know Augeri had quite a following on the internet and those people will remember him as amazing, but hardly anyone else even knows his name. That's why I asked what this Shipwreck Studios is?

In terms of weight, Augeri had a huge following. In terms of actual people, it's not nearly as big as you might think.

saint John wrote:

Catherine wrote:for the record (and Andrew) I honestly wasnt trying to start shit altough there are those here that will take this and make it that way. I honestly thought this was a good article!

I found plenty wrong with it. Just look at the post above yours.

I only heard Augeri once, and that was enough. It was in his presumably "good" years too. I'm a Perry fan though, so I was biased. However, I do think he was in a tough spot. Still, if he couldnt hold his own, then he should have quit.

saint John wrote:In terms of weight, Augeri had a huge following. In terms of actual people, it's not nearly as big as you might think.

http://www.shipwreckislandstudios.com/contact.htm

Just answered my own question. They're just a couple guys with a website.

AR wrote:Is there an actual link to the article? It's a little hard to read here with the paragraphs the way they are.

Scroll down to December 19th below the pictures

http://www.shipwreckislandstudios.com/b ... okback.htm

NealIsGod wrote:

heardonthestreet wrote:On the same site this is an item looking ahead to 2007.

Steve Augeri: In The Moment

Former Journey frontman Steve Augeri sets his sights on "In The Moment" a collection of personally crafted material. Steve mentioned several times in '05 and in the beginning of '06 that he had been working on writing this material on and off as Journey was on tour. With his tenure with Journey now complete, he can set his sights higher and show his true fans what he can do on his own. Look for "In The Moment" to be released this summer.


Maybe he'll have his fansite up and running if he can read feedback like this.

Since when do you care about Augeri? You were one of his main detractors!

Nig, admittedly I am not a Journey/Augeri fan but when he was becoming glued, screwed and tatooed here, I hated the unfairness of it all. It was Perry all over again, for different reasons but still, without any actual knowledge of anyone knowing all the facts, but willing to cast aside many years of hard work from the artists. I have never denied that he helped keep Journey on tour.

heardonthestreet wrote:Nig, admittedly I am not a Journey/Augeri fan but when he was becoming glued, screwed and tatooed here, I hated the unfairness of it all. It was Perry all over again, for different reasons but still, without any actual knowledge of anyone knowing all the facts, but willing to cast aside many years of hard work from the artists. I have never denied that he helped keep Journey on tour.

I think what we should all really agree to hate is that awful dancing sig you have. Death to the dancing sig!

heardonthestreet wrote:Nig, admittedly I am not a Journey/Augeri fan but when he was becoming glued, screwed and tatooed here, I hated the unfairness of it all. It was Perry all over again, for different reasons but still, without any actual knowledge of anyone knowing all the facts, but willing to cast aside many years of hard work from the artists. I have never denied that he helped keep Journey on tour.

Ah, I knew there had to be a Perry link in there somewhere, since the world revolves around him.

conversationpc wrote:

saint John wrote:In terms of weight, Augeri had a huge following. In terms of actual people, it's not nearly as big as you might think.

Listen jizz magnet, what I posted was 100% true. You don't like it? Too fuckin' bad. Go watch The 700 Club or something.

saint John wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

saint John wrote:In terms of weight, Augeri had a huge following. In terms of actual people, it's not nearly as big as you might think.

Listen jizz magnet, what I posted was 100% true. You don't like it? Too fuckin' bad. Go watch The 700 Club or something.

Dang. That was way too easy.

conversationpc wrote:

heardonthestreet wrote:Nig, admittedly I am not a Journey/Augeri fan but when he was becoming glued, screwed and tatooed here, I hated the unfairness of it all. It was Perry all over again, for different reasons but still, without any actual knowledge of anyone knowing all the facts, but willing to cast aside many years of hard work from the artists. I have never denied that he helped keep Journey on tour.

I think what we should all really agree to hate is that awful dancing sig you have. Death to the dancing sig!

You got it! Just don't ask me to jump off a cliff.

heardonthestreet wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

heardonthestreet wrote:Nig, admittedly I am not a Journey/Augeri fan but when he was becoming glued, screwed and tatooed here, I hated the unfairness of it all. It was Perry all over again, for different reasons but still, without any actual knowledge of anyone knowing all the facts, but willing to cast aside many years of hard work from the artists. I have never denied that he helped keep Journey on tour.

I think what we should all really agree to hate is that awful dancing sig you have. Death to the dancing sig!

You got it! Just don't ask me to jump off a cliff.

You got me pegged!

Um, I believe there was some "friction" a few years ago between JSS & the owner of this Shipwreck - there were some words exchanged btwn the two on BT (which was deleted). This is probably going buh-by.