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Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:32 am**

if they hire an exact "replica" to SP to front the band?

I mean, doesn't he own the rights to his "likeness" etc. ??

Just a thought.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:33 am**

Oooh, I never thought about that! Any thoughts?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:36 am**

Tomulator wrote:if they hire an exact "replica" to SP to front the band?

I mean, doesn't he own the rights to his "likeness" etc. ??

Just a thought.

No!
If that was the case, can you imagine the lawsuits against Wierd Al , the past 20 years!?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:45 am**

Behshad wrote:
Tomulator wrote:if they hire an exact "replica" to SP to front the band?

I mean, doesn't he own the rights to his "likeness" etc. ??

Just a thought.

No!
If that was the case, can you imagine the lawsuits against Wierd Al , the past 20 years!?

But there was never any likeness to wierd al he just spoofed them !

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:07 am**

Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:10 am**

Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:11 am**

Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

not for the live shows, unless they are recorded for
money, and distributed,, otherwise i may be doing
some time.. :wink:

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:12 am**

RockinDeano wrote: Perry has no legal ties to this band.

he sold them back?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:12 am**

RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:13 am**

RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:15 am**

SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

no no no,,, he would never sell the rights..

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:16 am**

SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

Of course he still gets royalties. He wrote/co-wrote the songs.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:17 am**

SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

Of course he still gets royalties. He wrote/co-wrote the songs.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:17 am**

SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

They contacted him about the use of DSB for the Soprano's, and he even insisted on knowing the ending and how the song would be used before he approved.
Trust me, he still is getting royalties and has a say on some things.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:18 am**

Henley wrote:
SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

Of course he still gets royalties. He wrote/co-wrote the songs.

So a royalty is not a legal tie?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:19 am**

I think Deano is just saying that SP has no legal sway in anything NEW they do...only what has his name on it already.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:20 am**

SusieP wrote:
Henley wrote:
SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

Of course he still gets royalties. He wrote/co-wrote the songs.

He is legally tied to the songs and Schon/Cain for the rest of his life and then some.

So a royalty is not a legal tie?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:22 am**

Henley wrote:
SusieP wrote:
Henley wrote:
SusieP wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Henley wrote:Uh, no. However, Steve does have to give his approval for the use of songs he wrote and co-wrote to be used in live performances, T.V. episodes and movies, cover versions by other artists, etc. He may even have authority to approve or nix a new replacement singer for Journey. No one but those involved know the particulars of those contractual agreements. Unless it's a direct quote from one of the principals, it's heresy/gossip.

Not anylonger. Perry has no legal ties to this band.

What?
No more royalties?

Of course he still gets royalties. He wrote/co-wrote the songs.

So a royalty is not a legal tie?

He is legally tied to the songs and Schon/Cain for the rest of his life and then some.

Thought so.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:28 am**

Henley, shut your hole. You know not what you speak. It's ok to have an opinion, but to matter of factly drop scuds when you are wrong is not a good way to navigate MR.

SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

Royalties are not a legal tie in. Of course he gets royalties. He was a major songwriter.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:30 am**

RockinDeano wrote:Henley, shut your hole. You know not what you speak. It's ok to have an opinion, but to matter of factly drop scuds when you are wrong is not a good way to navigate MR.

SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

Royalties are not a legal tie in. Of course he gets royalties. He was a major songwriter.

OK thanks. I'm clear on that now.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:33 am**

RockinDeano wrote:Henley, shut your hole. You know not what you speak. It's ok to have an opinion, but to matter of factly drop scuds when you are wrong is not a good way to navigate MR.

SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

Royalties are not a legal tie in. Of course he gets royalties. He was a major songwriter.

And there's "your welcome to the board" that you kept wondering about , Henley :lol:

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:34 am**

RockinDeano wrote:SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

care to share? i suppose this is very recent.. blog?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:42 am**

RockinDeano wrote:Henley, shut your hole. You know not what you speak. It's ok to have an opinion, but to matter of factly drop scuds when you are wrong is not a good way to navigate MR.

SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

Royalties are not a legal tie in. Of course he gets royalties. He was a major songwriter.

You need to hold up on your "official" statements. Your only claim to fame is an acquaintance with a terminated employee of the Band. Much of your supposed insider information is erroneous and irresponsible. And, MAY HAVE played a part in Jeff's current situation. Passion for an acquaintance' plight is one thing, spreading gossip to elevate your significance in this situation is wrong. This is NOT about you.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:47 am**

Henley wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Henley, shut your hole. You know not what you speak. It's ok to have an opinion, but to matter of factly drop scuds when you are wrong is not a good way to navigate MR.

SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

Royalties are not a legal tie in. Of course he gets royalties. He was a major songwriter.

You need to hold up on your "official" statements. Your only claim to fame is an acquaintance with a terminated employee of the Band. Much of your supposed insider information is erroneous and irresponsible. And, MAY HAVE played a part in Jeff's current situation. Passion for an acquaintance' plight is one thing, spreading gossip to elevate your significance in this situation is wrong. This is NOT about you.

Judging from your 'tone', your welcome note from Dean was too nice, but there's more,,,, just hang on tight

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:08 am**

Behshad wrote:
Henley wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:Henley, shut your hole. You know not what you speak. It's ok to have an opinion, but to matter of factly drop scuds when you are wrong is not a good way to navigate MR.

SP has NO legal ties to Journey anylonger. No more 1/6th of the profits, no more say in whether thay can put out a live recording, etc etc.

Royalties are not a legal tie in. Of course he gets royalties. He was a major songwriter.

You need to hold up on your "official" statements. Your only claim to fame is an acquaintance with a terminated employee of the Band. Much of your supposed insider information is erroneous and irresponsible. And, MAY HAVE played a part in Jeff's current situation. Passion for an acquaintance' plight is one thing, spreading gossip to elevate your significance in this situation is wrong. This is NOT about you.

Judging from your 'tone', your welcome note from Dean was too nice, but there's more,,,, just hang on tight

I'm not getting involved in a mud fight with anyone. Hang on tight? What's with up with that? Silly don't ya think?

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:21 am**

Well, I honestly don't know how much of an insider Deano is (or was) to the band, but a lot of the stuff he's blogged about has pretty much been true. Of course, I'm still unclear as to why the guys in Journey decided at this point that it was better to find someone who sounds just like Steve Perry, as opposed to finding this person when Augeri went down (or heck, even when Steve Perry left the band in '98.) Even if it was a simple fact of "rushing" a guy into the band to sing vocals (Jeff) it still wouldn't make sense for them to announce him as a permanent replacement then dump in a couple months later. That part is strange. I mean, they certainly could've just told Jeff that this was a one tour thing...I'm sure he would've been just fine with that.

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:10 am**

Tomulator wrote:if they hire an exact "replica" to SP to front the band?

I mean, doesn't he own the rights to his "likeness" etc. ??

Just a thought.

I think the question you're asking is a very different question than what has been answered here. I certainly have no knowledge of what Perry's "legal" tie ins to Journey are. I can guarantee you that he certainly has no right to approve or disapprove of the next lead singer of Journey, as that would be flat-out absurd! The reality is that if Perry had any legal say on who the lead singer of Journey should be...Journey would have ceased to exist after 1996!

As for owning the rights to his likeness...That's a whole separate issue. From all the information that is out there and from Cain's quotes, it certainly looks like Journey will re-surface with a guy who sounds a lot more like Perry than Soto ever did. That said, Perry has no legal grounds to sue someone, just because they might sound like him. A person can't control who they may or may not sound like, so it would be the most frivilous lawsuit ever brought (except the dopey attorney suing for $54 million for his lost pants), in a country that invented the frivilous lawsuit! Also, if any of the information out there about them hiring Jeremey on as their next lead singer, there is certainly no "likeness" between he and Perry. They couldn't look more different!

John from Boston

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:28 am**

Found this on another site. He is certainly trying to look like Perry. Check out the URL.

http://www.geocities.com/almoststeveper ... icker.html

Enigma869 wrote:
Tomulator wrote:if they hire an exact "replica" to SP to front the band?

I mean, doesn't he own the rights to his "likeness" etc. ??

Just a thought.

I think the question you're asking is a very different question than what has been answered here. I certainly have no knowledge of what Perry's "legal" tie ins to Journey are. I can guarantee you that he certainly has no right to approve or disapprove of the next lead singer of Journey, as that would be flat-out absurd! The reality is that if Perry had any legal say on who the lead singer of Journey should be...Journey would have ceased to exist after 1996!

As for owning the rights to his likeness...That's a whole separate issue. From all the information that is out there and from Cain's quotes, it certainly looks like Journey will re-surface with a guy who sounds a lot more like Perry than Soto ever did. That said, Perry has no legal grounds to sue someone, just because they might sound like him. A person can't control who they may or may not sound like, so it would be the most frivilous lawsuit ever brought (except the dopey attorney suing for $54 million for his lost pants), in a country that invented the frivilous lawsuit! Also, if any of the information out there about them hiring Jeremey on as their next lead singer, there is certainly no "likeness" between he and Perry. They couldn't look more different!

John from Boston

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:36 am**

nolippin wrote:Found this on another site. He is certainly trying to look like Perry. Check out the URL.

http://www.geocities.com/almoststeveper ... icker.html

I'm quite sure the pictures on that URL with Jeremey sporting the wig and the awful 1981 Perry outfit were nothing more than a good-natured gag! If you look at those other pictures on the same URL you provided, my point remains...He looks NOTHING like Perry! I've seen numerous performances with Jeremey and his band (go over to youtube and look for yourself), and I can assure you that he is not up on stage with the Perry wig and bad clothes! I'm pretty sure that Jeremey is smart enough to understand that running out on the stage with the Perry garb as the lead singer of a tribute band and doing that same thing as the lead guy in Journey are two VERY different things!

John from Boston

Posted: **Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:46 am**

Dude, I'm not going to argue with you about it. Here's a link to the pics on his current site. Even the most recent ones show him wearing tails. I just don't care enough to look through all those pics to see when he stopped wearing the wig and the rest.

http://www.frontiers.smugmug.com/

Enigma869 wrote:
nolippin wrote:Found this on another site. He is certainly trying to look like Perry. Check out the URL.

http://www.geocities.com/almoststeveper ... icker.html

I'm quite sure the pictures on that URL with Jeremey sporting the wig and the awful 1981 Perry outfit were nothing more than a good-natured gag! If you look at those other pictures on the same URL you provided, my point remains...He looks NOTHING like Perry! I've seen numerous performances with Jeremey and his band (go over to youtube and look for yourself), and I can assure you that he is not up on stage with the Perry wig and bad clothes! I'm pretty sure that Jeremey is smart enough to understand that running out on the stage with the Perry garb as the lead singer of a tribute band and doing that same thing as the lead guy in Journey are two VERY different things!

John from Boston

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