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Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

Crazie Scarab wrote:Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

I believe he's not 1/6 anymore.

JR (Susie) wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

I believe he's not 1/6 anymore.

Do you think Neal, Jon & Ross bought him out? That would have to had to cost some mega $$$$$..

Crazie Scarab wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

I believe he's not 1/6 anymore.

Do you think Neal, Jon & Ross bought him out? That would have to had to cost some mega $$$$$..

I dont know for sure. It was something Dean said & Andrew sorta kinda didnt disagree w/. U know how that stuff goes.

If that's the case, would it too big of a stretch to say maybe that's why Steve will no longer perform those songs? I think u or someone else mentioned somthing about him possibly not being allowed by Neal and Jon. Besides of course, obvious vocal limitations.

JR (Susie) wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

I believe he's not 1/6 anymore.

Do you think Neal, Jon & Ross bought him out? That would have to had to cost some mega $$$$$..

I dont know for sure. It was something Dean said & Andrew sorta kinda didnt disagree w/. U know how that stuff goes.

Um somewhere in one of those interviews about the sopranos, Steve said that they all had to agree for a song to be performed--of course that's for a TV show. I believe Jeff said something similar when he talked about AI, something about the proper permissions. I assume if Perry wanted to go on tour singing Journey or go on any TV/radio show, he would have to get their consent to do so. But to be honest, I don't know much about this aspect. Maybe our radio girl would be able to clarify.

scarygirl wrote:So if that's the case, would it too big of stretch to say maybe that's why Steve will no longer perform those songs? I think u or someone else had mentioned somthing about him possibly not being allowed by Neal and Jon. Besides of course, obvious vocal limitations.

JR (Susie) wrote:Um somewhere in one of those interviews about the sopranos, Steve said that they all had to agree for a song to be performed--of course that's for a TV show. I believe Jeff said something similar when he talked about AI, something about the proper permissions. I assume if Perry wanted to go on tour singing Journey or go on any TV/radio show, he would have to get their consent to do so. But to be honest, I don't know much about this aspect. Maybe our radio girl would be able to clarify.

Ok,Suz,I know you were reffering to another radio girl ,but what the heck,I'll try to post what I know on the subject.

SP stated awhile ago that that he has no more legal ties to Journey.That means he is not "the 6th member of the band" anymore.
However,he has the right to decide on the use of the songs he has co-written with NS and JC.Whenever someone solicits a Journey song for whatever public purposes (commercials,movies,TV shoews,etc) the composers have to agree on the use of it.The rights to those songs belong to the songwriters.

What Chase did regarding the Sopranos episode was to directly contact the 3 DSB songwriters and obtain permission to use the song,which is protected by copyright.
Also,he paid the owners a fee.
However,a song is also owned (the recording of it) by the record company.Usually,permission has to be obtained from the label too.
Not sure if Journey and Sony (Columbia) are legally involved at this time,but perhaps they're not anymore and now the songs belong to the composers(SP,NC,JC).
I may be wrong on this one,tho...Anyway,this is how it works when a song gets in a TV show/series/soundtrack.


As for SP performing Journey songs in a tour situation - that's a thing that only he could clarify.
It depends on what kind of an agreement he has with the rest of the band.

I assume if Perry wanted to go on tour singing Journey or go on any TV/radio show, he would have to get their consent to do so.

Not sure if that's how it's working.I'll tell you why.What works for Journey works for Perry too,meaning that if Journey are allowed to sing the songs on tour,so is SP.I think he even mentioned that in this interview saying that " I could go out and do it myself if I wanted, but I won't."
Perry could very well tour with classic Journey material,just like he did in 1994,it's just that he doesn't want to.No legal obstacles.

The AI situation might be diffrent,tho.The guys might have a special agreement that stipulates no live performances on AI.
That means both Journey and Steve Perry will not perform in this TV show.
Just a guess on this one.

Hope this cleared up things a bit.

*Laura wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:Maybe our radio girl would be able to clarify.

Ok,Suz,I know you were reffering to another radio girl

I wrote her a dissertation via PM. I refrain from giving otherworldly points of view in public. Too many vultures around to tell me I'm wrong, which would of course be bullshiz, and I'd hate to have to PM a bitchslap!

Laura, I didn't know you were in radio too? Wait... are we friends on MySpace? Are you who I'm thinking you are?

*Laura wrote:SP stated awhile ago that that he has no more legal ties to Journey.That means he is not "the 6th member of the band" anymore.

IIRC he said no legal ties since 98. Which means he NEVER was a 6th member, right?

However,a song is also owned (the recording of it) by the record company.Usually,permission has to be obtained from the label too.
Not sure if Journey and Sony (Columbia) are legally involved at this time,but perhaps they're not anymore and now the songs belong to the composers(SP,NC,JC).
I may be wrong on this one,tho...Anyway,this is how it works when a song gets in a TV show/series/soundtrack.

What about the manager, aka Herbie? Didnt he say somewhere he had some control over the music of other bands he managed & how they were used (i.e., Mr. Big, Roxette)? Could he also have control over Journey music to some degree?

What works for Journey works for Perry too,meaning that if Journey are allowed to sing the songs on tour,so is SP.

Ah right. Good point. U are not just a pretty face there lady

Thanks Laura. Ur the best.

Crazie Scarab wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

I believe he's not 1/6 anymore.

Do you think Neal, Jon & Ross bought him out? That would have to had to cost some mega $$$$$..

No way that wouldv'e costed way more then they would want to shell out!If The Sopranos had to get his OK for dsb then there's no way in hell they bought him out!

wildone wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:

Crazie Scarab wrote:Are they willing to get so close to Steve Perry's sound that people will actually accuse them of using tapes... Ahh.. again?

Since Mr. Perry is 1/6 of the band, would he go for it?

I believe he's not 1/6 anymore.

Do you think Neal, Jon & Ross bought him out? That would have to had to cost some mega $$$$$..

No way that wouldv'e costed way more then they would want to shell out!If The Sopranos had to get his OK for dsb then there's no way in hell they bought him out!

No not his rights to his songs. We're talking about his rights to profits from performances w/out him, if he ever had them.

JR (Susie) wrote:

*Laura wrote:SP stated awhile ago that that he has no more legal ties to Journey.That means he is not "the 6th member of the band" anymore.

IIRC he said no legal ties since 98. Which means he NEVER was a 6th member, right?

Even if he wasn't a legal member of the band since '98 (meaning that he wasn't tied to them through a contract) ,he was legally tied to the band through the songs.Being the co-writer of the majority of the classic hits,everytime Journey performed those songs on tour,he got his share of royalties.
Maybe the term "6th memeber of the band" was used exactly for this situation.
I remember people complaining that Journey are working their asses off on the road while SP gets money from that without moving a finger.
I never understood the anger,really.It's the copyright law,nothing else.Everytime a song is played,the writer (or co-writer) gets his share of the pie,regardless if he performs the song or not.
It was never about "Journey working for Steve Perry",as in "slaving away" for him.

What about the manager, aka Herbie? Didnt he say somewhere he had some control over the music of other bands he managed & how they were used (i.e., Mr. Big, Roxette)? Could he also have control over Journey music to some degree?

Maybe as a producer of Mr.Big and Roxette,but I doubt Herbie had any legal rights on their songs.Same with Journey.
I can't remember Herbie saying that,but maybe I missed reading it.Can you remember the interview?

JR (Susie) wrote:

*Laura wrote:What works for Journey works for Perry too,meaning that if Journey are allowed to sing the songs on tour,so is SP.

Ah right. Good point. U are not just a pretty face there lady

Thanks Laura. Ur the best.

Luv ya too.

*Laura wrote:Maybe as a producer of Mr.Big and Roxette,but I doubt Herbie had any legal rights on their songs.Same with Journey.
I can't remember Herbie saying that,but maybe I missed reading it.Can you remember the interview?

He mentioned having some kind of right/control in the catalogs during the McCarty interview.

Blue Radio Girl wrote:

*Laura wrote:Maybe as a producer of Mr.Big and Roxette,but I doubt Herbie had any legal rights on their songs.Same with Journey.
I can't remember Herbie saying that,but maybe I missed reading it.Can you remember the interview?

He mentioned having some kind of right/control in the catalogs during the McCarty interview.

Oh! Ok,gotta read that one again...Might be reading it with different eyes now.

Btw,Blue...yes,we've met in another e-world. PM answered.

I think anyone can perform any song live without consent, but cannot record it.

*Laura wrote:Oh! Ok,gotta read that one again...Might be reading it with different eyes now.

Btw,Blue...yes,we've met in another e-world. PM answered.

I can't tell you exactly what part, that thing was so damned long. But its in there.

Yes, PM answered... (sings 'Its a small world after all')