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I don't understand why the band and others all of the sudden care about "protecting their legacy". Why??

The band's history is just that, and it cannot be changed. With the advent of digital technology, the legacy is already protected and preserved for anyone in the future to enjoy so what exactly needs protecting?

If they are worried about the old Perry days being forgotten the ONLY way to really fix that is to get Perry back in the band. Otherwise, the more time that goes by the more his part in the band will be diluted and forgotten.

Sammy Hagar PROVES that you don't have to be perfect on the back catalog stuff to succeed. He sucks on the DLR stuff but was successful because he never tried to be DLR, he remained true to himself. Van Halen succeeded in the DLR transition because they immediatly came out with stellar new material and kept it coming for years to the point where they could play there own dirty dozen.

Journey's transition away from the Perry days has not been so successful because they never had direction. Arrival was a pretty good CD, especially when you consider that they had to re-invent themselves with it, but the songs were not of the same caliber or better than what Perry's prior contributions had to offer. Playing Arrival's songs live didn't work because the nature of the CD was that it had to grow on you to like it as opposed to Van Halen's 5150 album which most people could hear for the 1st time and love it. I think Arrival and to a lesser degree the other newer material sufferred from the band trying to sound like something Perry might have written instead of embracing a new Journey sound with Steve Augeri.

When they hired JSS, it looked like they learned from some of there mistakes and was prepared to forge on with a new sound. The JSS and Schon piece "Believe in Me" is a perfect example of the kind of sound a new Journey would have:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MOAW6Q75FNw

This one song was miles better than anything Journey has done since the Perry days so imagine what JSS could have done with Journey. They had the potential to make a killer album that could have reinvented themselves and used the power of the internet to get it out to the world. They should have stuck with JSS, made a new album then continue to make new material to put the past behind them to the extent that they can sound like today in concert without the fear of not sounding like the past. This is what Van Halen did, and that is why I beleive they pulled it off.

I think relying on their "dirty dozen" is simply an excuse for not being able to come up with quality new material. When they played "Open Arms" for the 1st time live with Perry, do you think they had a required dirty dozen back then? Of course not, but the crowd went wild for "Open Arms". Why? Because the song is a killer tune. If the songs are great, it doesn't matter if they play the old ones or the new ones. Sure, they will always need to play "Faithfully" and "Don't Stop Believen', but the real key to the future success of this band is finding someone they can work with that can help them create killer new tunes. JSS was the right guy and who knows what the REAL deal on his demise was, maybe they all got in a fight, who knows but whoever the new guy is, it had better be somebody who can spark the creative core of the band so they can create the kind of killer high quality tunes the fans are wanting to hear.

Another good example of how killer new material can win over the fans is with "Tears for Fears", if you have never heard there most recent album you should pick it up, it is called "Everybody Love a Happy Ending". My wife and eye saw them in concert a few years back when they were on tour in support of this CD and I have to tell you, the show was incredible and the crowd went wild. No, they didn't play 1 or 2 songs from the CD followed by all of there greatest hits, they actually played the ENTIRE cd beginning to end and it was awesume because the songs are killer. And they still played there BEST hits too which was like icing on the cake. We loved the show so much, we ended up seeing them live two more times on the tour. It's this kind of risk Live that Journey needs to take on the future if they want to be taken seriously again, whether they do it with Perry, Augeri, JSS or anyone else. Otherwise they will be continued to be held hostage by their past.

mrmusicman73 wrote:I don't understand why the band and others all of the sudden care about "protecting their legacy". Why??

The band's history is just that, and it cannot be changed. With the advent of digital technology, the legacy is already protected and preserved for anyone in the future to enjoy so what exactly needs protecting?

If they are worried about the old Perry days being forgotten the ONLY way to really fix that is to get Perry back in the band. Otherwise, the more time that goes by the more his part in the band will be diluted and forgotten.

Sammy Hagar PROVES that you don't have to be perfect on the back catalog stuff to succeed. He sucks on the DLR stuff but was successful because he never tried to be DLR, he remained true to himself. Van Halen succeeded in the DLR transition because they immediatly came out with stellar new material and kept it coming for years to the point where they could play there own dirty dozen.

Journey's transition away from the Perry days has not been so successful because they never had direction. Arrival was a pretty good CD, especially when you consider that they had to re-invent themselves with it, but the songs were not of the same caliber or better than what Perry's prior contributions had to offer. Playing Arrival's songs live didn't work because the nature of the CD was that it had to grow on you to like it as opposed to Van Halen's 5150 album which most people could hear for the 1st time and love it. I think Arrival and to a lesser degree the other newer material sufferred from the band trying to sound like something Perry might have written instead of embracing a new Journey sound with Steve Augeri.

When they hired JSS, it looked like they learned from some of there mistakes and was prepared to forge on with a new sound. The JSS and Schon piece "Believe in Me" is a perfect example of the kind of sound a new Journey would have:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MOAW6Q75FNw

This one song was miles better than anything Journey has done since the Perry days so imagine what JSS could have done with Journey. They had the potential to make a killer album that could have reinvented themselves and used the power of the internet to get it out to the world. They should have stuck with JSS, made a new album then continue to make new material to put the past behind them to the extent that they can sound like today in concert without the fear of not sounding like the past. This is what Van Halen did, and that is why I beleive they pulled it off.

I think relying on their "dirty dozen" is simply an excuse for not being able to come up with quality new material. When they played "Open Arms" for the 1st time live with Perry, do you think they had a required dirty dozen back then? Of course not, but the crowd went wild for "Open Arms". Why? Because the song is a killer tune. If the songs are great, it doesn't matter if they play the old ones or the new ones. Sure, they will always need to play "Faithfully" and "Don't Stop Believen', but the real key to the future success of this band is finding someone they can work with that can help them create killer new tunes. JSS was the right guy and who knows what the REAL deal on his demise was, maybe they all got in a fight, who knows but whoever the new guy is, it had better be somebody who can spark the creative core of the band so they can create the kind of killer high quality tunes the fans are wanting to hear.

Another good example of how killer new material can win over the fans is with "Tears for Fears", if you have never heard there most recent album you should pick it up, it is called "Everybody Love a Happy Ending". My wife and eye saw them in concert a few years back when they were on tour in support of this CD and I have to tell you, the show was incredible and the crowd went wild. No, they didn't play 1 or 2 songs from the CD followed by all of there greatest hits, they actually played the ENTIRE cd beginning to end and it was awesume because the songs are killer. And they still played there BEST hits too which was like icing on the cake. We loved the show so much, we ended up seeing them live two more times on the tour. It's this kind of risk Live that Journey needs to take on the future if they want to be taken seriously again, whether they do it with Perry, Augeri, JSS or anyone else. Otherwise they will be continued to be held hostage by their past.

EGOS pure and simple.

lights1961 wrote:

mrmusicman73 wrote:I don't understand why the band and others all of the sudden care about "protecting their legacy". Why??

The band's history is just that, and it cannot be changed. With the advent of digital technology, the legacy is already protected and preserved for anyone in the future to enjoy so what exactly needs protecting?

If they are worried about the old Perry days being forgotten the ONLY way to really fix that is to get Perry back in the band. Otherwise, the more time that goes by the more his part in the band will be diluted and forgotten.

Sammy Hagar PROVES that you don't have to be perfect on the back catalog stuff to succeed. He sucks on the DLR stuff but was successful because he never tried to be DLR, he remained true to himself. Van Halen succeeded in the DLR transition because they immediatly came out with stellar new material and kept it coming for years to the point where they could play there own dirty dozen.

Journey's transition away from the Perry days has not been so successful because they never had direction. Arrival was a pretty good CD, especially when you consider that they had to re-invent themselves with it, but the songs were not of the same caliber or better than what Perry's prior contributions had to offer. Playing Arrival's songs live didn't work because the nature of the CD was that it had to grow on you to like it as opposed to Van Halen's 5150 album which most people could hear for the 1st time and love it. I think Arrival and to a lesser degree the other newer material sufferred from the band trying to sound like something Perry might have written instead of embracing a new Journey sound with Steve Augeri.

When they hired JSS, it looked like they learned from some of there mistakes and was prepared to forge on with a new sound. The JSS and Schon piece "Believe in Me" is a perfect example of the kind of sound a new Journey would have:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MOAW6Q75FNw

This one song was miles better than anything Journey has done since the Perry days so imagine what JSS could have done with Journey. They had the potential to make a killer album that could have reinvented themselves and used the power of the internet to get it out to the world. They should have stuck with JSS, made a new album then continue to make new material to put the past behind them to the extent that they can sound like today in concert without the fear of not sounding like the past. This is what Van Halen did, and that is why I beleive they pulled it off.

I think relying on their "dirty dozen" is simply an excuse for not being able to come up with quality new material. When they played "Open Arms" for the 1st time live with Perry, do you think they had a required dirty dozen back then? Of course not, but the crowd went wild for "Open Arms". Why? Because the song is a killer tune. If the songs are great, it doesn't matter if they play the old ones or the new ones. Sure, they will always need to play "Faithfully" and "Don't Stop Believen', but the real key to the future success of this band is finding someone they can work with that can help them create killer new tunes. JSS was the right guy and who knows what the REAL deal on his demise was, maybe they all got in a fight, who knows but whoever the new guy is, it had better be somebody who can spark the creative core of the band so they can create the kind of killer high quality tunes the fans are wanting to hear.

Another good example of how killer new material can win over the fans is with "Tears for Fears", if you have never heard there most recent album you should pick it up, it is called "Everybody Love a Happy Ending". My wife and eye saw them in concert a few years back when they were on tour in support of this CD and I have to tell you, the show was incredible and the crowd went wild. No, they didn't play 1 or 2 songs from the CD followed by all of there greatest hits, they actually played the ENTIRE cd beginning to end and it was awesume because the songs are killer. And they still played there BEST hits too which was like icing on the cake. We loved the show so much, we ended up seeing them live two more times on the tour. It's this kind of risk Live that Journey needs to take on the future if they want to be taken seriously again, whether they do it with Perry, Augeri, JSS or anyone else. Otherwise they will be continued to be held hostage by their past.

EGOS pure and simple.

Expensive Egos Don't Ya Think?

mrmusicman73 wrote:I don't understand why the band and others all of the sudden care about "protecting their legacy". Why??

Because they will never again attain the level of recognition/acclaim they had at the height of their stardom.

In the memories of most who will remember and document, Journey will always be about the DSB and OA. Some others will remember and document the rest of the Dirty Dozen.

That's their legacy unless they can come up with a frontman who can help them eclipse that. What are the chances of that happening?

If they don't protect that legacy what was the point of what they did? That has to mean something. [/i]

FINALLY !!!
Someone besides myself sees the path.

This concept, along with the simple, but necessary name change to JRNY was the gist of my solution to the "Perry Quandary".

Since the name JOURNEY is the only thing legally binding the principals, this subtle, but effective change would have served both as a signal to everyone that it was elementally different AND as a legal name change, especially if they would TM the damn thing.
That would have taken SP's involvement to that of a standard performance royalty, instead of the deep pocket participation he enjoyed(s).
In my opinion, the best thing about such a change is that they (the remaining performance musicians) could have done just want they kept saying they wanted to do, to wit; reinvent the band.
Believe it or not, even HH agreed with me that, barring the return of the main hold out of the "real reunion", this was their only viable path to the "re-invention" mode.
Changing the name would have served as a media "talking point" and there would have been no way to keep it off of AOR / Classic Rock format radio.
As we painfully witnessed, without the full line up, they barely got passing mention, and "Remember Me" went down in flames.
Anything else is simply riding on the coattails of their past reputation.

But hey, what do I know?
I may not always be right, but I'm rarely wrong.

mrmusicman73 wrote:I don't understand why the band and others all of the sudden care about "protecting their legacy". Why??

The band's history is just that, and it cannot be changed. With the advent of digital technology, the legacy is already protected and preserved for anyone in the future to enjoy so what exactly needs protecting?

If they are worried about the old Perry days being forgotten the ONLY way to really fix that is to get Perry back in the band. Otherwise, the more time that goes by the more his part in the band will be diluted and forgotten.

Sammy Hagar PROVES that you don't have to be perfect on the back catalog stuff to succeed. He sucks on the DLR stuff but was successful because he never tried to be DLR, he remained true to himself. Van Halen succeeded in the DLR transition because they immediately came out with stellar new material and kept it coming for years to the point where they could play there own dirty dozen.

Journey's transition away from the Perry days has not been so successful because they never had direction. Arrival was a pretty good CD, especially when you consider that they had to re-invent themselves with it, but the songs were not of the same caliber or better than hat Perry's prior contributions had to offer. Playing Arrival's songs live didn't work because the nature of the CD was that it had to grow on you to like it as opposed to Van Halen's 5150 album which most people could hear for the 1st time and love it. I think Arrival and to a lesser degree the other newer material sufferred from the band trying to sound like something Perry might have written instead of embracing a new Journey sound with Steve Augeri.

When they hired JSS, it looked like they learned from some of there mistakes and was prepared to forge on with a new sound. The JSS and Schon piece "Believe in Me" is a perfect example of the kind of sound a new Journey would have:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MOAW6Q75FNw

This one song was miles better than anything Journey has done since the Perry days so imagine what JSS could have done with Journey. They had the potential to make a killer album that could have reinvented themselves and used the power of the internet to get it out to the world. They should have stuck with JSS, made a new album then continue to make new material to put the past behind them to the extent that they can sound like today in concert without the fear of not sounding like the past. This is what Van Halen did, and that is why I beleive they pulled it off.

I think relying on their "dirty dozen" is simply an excuse for not being able to come up with quality new material. When they played "Open Arms" for the 1st time live with Perry, do you think they had a required dirty dozen back then? Of course not, but the crowd went wild for "Open Arms". Why? Because the song is a killer tune. If the songs are great, it doesn't matter if they play the old ones or the new ones. Sure, they will always need to play "Faithfully" and "Don't Stop Believen', but the real key to the future success of this band is finding someone they can work with that can help them create killer new tunes. JSS was the right guy and who knows what the REAL deal on his demise was, maybe they all got in a fight, who knows but whoever the new guy is, it had better be somebody who can spark the creative core of the band so they can create the kind of killer high quality tunes the fans are wanting to hear.

Another good example of how killer new material can win over the fans is with "Tears for Fears", if you have never heard there most recent album you should pick it up, it is called "Everybody Love a Happy Ending". My wife and eye saw them in concert a few years back when they were on tour in support of this CD and I have to tell you, the show was incredible and the crowd went wild. No, they didn't play 1 or 2 songs from the CD followed by all of there greatest hits, they actually played the ENTIRE cd beginning to end and it was awesume because the songs are killer. And they still played there BEST hits too which was like icing on the cake. We loved the show so much, we ended up seeing them live two more times on the tour. It's this kind of risk Live that Journey needs to take on the future if they want to be taken seriously again, whether they do it with Perry, Augeri, JSS or anyone else. Otherwise they will be continued to be held hostage by their past.

AlienC wrote:FINALLY !!!
Someone besides myself sees the path.

This concept, along with the simple, but necessary name change to JRNY was the gist of my solution to the "Perry Quandary".

Since the name JOURNEY is the only thing legally binding the principals, this subtle, but effective change would have served both as a signal to everyone that it was elementally different AND as a legal name change, especially if they would TM the damn thing.
That would have taken SP's involvement to that of a standard performance royalty, instead of the deep pocket participation he enjoyed(s).
In my opinion, the best thing about such a change is that they (the remaining performance musicians) could have done just want they kept saying they wanted to do, to wit; reinvent the band.
Believe it or not, even HH agreed with me that, barring the return of the main hold out of the "real reunion", this was their only viable path to the "re-invention" mode.
Changing the name would have served as a media "talking point" and there would have been no way to keep it off of AOR / Classic Rock format radio.
As we painfully witnessed, without the full line up, they barely got passing mention, and "Remember Me" went down in flames.
Anything else is simply riding on the coattails of their past reputation.

But hey, what do I know?
I may not always be right, but I'm rarely wrong.

I didn't know that was your idea. I've seen JRNY spoken of on this board a few times. Pretty cool idea. I wonder why they didn't go with it?

mrmusicman, great post. if i may add one thing. van halen rose to new heights with dlr when "jump" went to #1 i believe in 1984. that is what put them into superband status. hagar came along only 4 years later 88 or 89 with the fan base still in reach. it has been about 15 or so years ( not technically ) since sp's departure. it pains me to think where they can possibly go from here. lets be honest, all these new names are dime store singers. we need ( we had) a bonifide rocker with new direction. i'm praying that they just know something we don't. again - great post

T-TIME wrote:mrmusicman, great post. if i may add one thing. van halen rose to new heights with dlr when "jump" went to #1 i believe in 1984. that is what put them into superband status. hagar came along only 4 years later 88 or 89 with the fan base still in reach. it has been about 15 or so years ( not technically ) since sp's departure. it pains me to think where they can possibly go from here. lets be honest, all these new names are dime store singers. we need ( we had) a bonifide rocker with new direction. i'm praying that they just know something we don't. again - great post

HI....sorry to be correcting ya....but 5150 was released in '86. TWO years after '1984'

Socratic Methodist wrote:

T-TIME wrote:mrmusicman, great post. if i may add one thing. van halen rose to new heights with dlr when "jump" went to #1 i believe in 1984. that is what put them into superband status. hagar came along only 4 years later 88 or 89 with the fan base still in reach. it has been about 15 or so years ( not technically ) since sp's departure. it pains me to think where they can possibly go from here. lets be honest, all these new names are dime store singers. we need ( we had) a bonifide rocker with new direction. i'm praying that they just know something we don't. again - great post

HI....sorry to be correcting ya....but 5150 was released in '86. TWO years after '1984'

no problem. thank you. i wasn't sure of the years. i think you understand my point though. was vanhagars first #1in 88? anyways thanks for the fix.

And lets not forget Brian Johnson....his step-in was kinda seamless as I remember. AC/DC didn't lose many, if any fans with that replacement.

Socratic Methodist wrote:And lets not forget Brian Johnson....his step-in was kinda seamless as I remember. AC/DC didn't lose many, if any fans with that replacement.

doesn't hurt that he sings there signature song. and still kills it.

I'm not sure why they couldn't have called themselves "The Journey Continues" or even "A new Journey"

Eric wrote:I'm not sure why they couldn't have called themselves "The Journey Continues" or even "A new Journey"

" journey w/no direction"

i'm still holding on to some hope.

Socratic Methodist wrote:And lets not forget Brian Johnson....his step-in was kinda seamless as I remember. AC/DC didn't lose many, if any fans with that replacement.

That was kind of a different deal though. I'm sure the fans understood a little more on that one. Poor old Bon Scott died ugly. What a unique voice that dude had.

"A Journey to no where" is available I think

chf34jmac wrote:"A Journey to no where" is available I think

Good one!


Hey chf, did you pull the Sherm picture becasue I quoted him a few days back, or was that just a really wierd conincidence?
LOVE it, btw!

Perfect post, Mrmusicman.

AlienC wrote:FINALLY !!!
Someone besides myself sees the path.

This concept, along with the simple, but necessary name change to JRNY was the gist of my solution to the "Perry Quandary".

Since the name JOURNEY is the only thing legally binding the principals, this subtle, but effective change would have served both as a signal to everyone that it was elementally different AND as a legal name change, especially if they would TM the damn thing.
That would have taken SP's involvement to that of a standard performance royalty, instead of the deep pocket participation he enjoyed(s).
In my opinion, the best thing about such a change is that they (the remaining performance musicians) could have done just want they kept saying they wanted to do, to wit; reinvent the band.
Believe it or not, even HH agreed with me that, barring the return of the main hold out of the "real reunion", this was their only viable path to the "re-invention" mode.
Changing the name would have served as a media "talking point" and there would have been no way to keep it off of AOR / Classic Rock format radio.
As we painfully witnessed, without the full line up, they barely got passing mention, and "Remember Me" went down in flames.
Anything else is simply riding on the coattails of their past reputation.

But hey, what do I know?
I may not always be right, but I'm rarely wrong.

JRNY?That's an interesting idea.
While that kind of change would have solved legal/financial bonds ,I'm not sure it would have been the solution for "re-invention",at least not from an artistical point of view.
The music makes the name of the band.That's is the reason why Journey can't get away from the Dirty Dozen.Or,as Mrmusicman said in his post "The band's history is just that, and it cannot be changed."

A re-invented name does not guarantee the success.Perhaps "JRNY" would have caught the attention,but I don't believe that the new name would have had the power to throw them back in the main stream just like that.
I mean what's the difference between "Remember Me" by Journey and "Remember Me" by JRNY? Musically speaking,none.

Just my 2 cents.

Marc Brunengraber wrote:Perfect post, Mrmusicman.

Thank you.

X,

Must have been a coincidence. People were telling me my posts were very potter like, so I added the pic.

The only era that anyone will ever accept as their legacy is 77-83-86 & 96. Now they run around destroying any credibility the current members have while managing to shoot off most of their own appendages. I wonder when they have band meetings if they have to wear the "cone of silence" and if Maxwell Smart attends?

AlienC wrote:FINALLY !!!
Someone besides myself sees the path.

This concept, along with the simple, but necessary name change to JRNY was the gist of my solution to the "Perry Quandary".

Since the name JOURNEY is the only thing legally binding the principals, this subtle, but effective change would have served both as a signal to everyone that it was elementally different AND as a legal name change, especially if they would TM the damn thing.
That would have taken SP's involvement to that of a standard performance royalty, instead of the deep pocket participation he enjoyed(s).
In my opinion, the best thing about such a change is that they (the remaining performance musicians) could have done just want they kept saying they wanted to do, to wit; reinvent the band.
Believe it or not, even HH agreed with me that, barring the return of the main hold out of the "real reunion", this was their only viable path to the "re-invention" mode.
Changing the name would have served as a media "talking point" and there would have been no way to keep it off of AOR / Classic Rock format radio.
As we painfully witnessed, without the full line up, they barely got passing mention, and "Remember Me" went down in flames.
Anything else is simply riding on the coattails of their past reputation.

But hey, what do I know?
I may not always be right, but I'm rarely wrong.

So what happened with Bad English? That was essentially JOURNEY under a different name. Sure. They had the hit When I See You Smile (which was written by Diane Warren who was behind just as many hit songs as NS, JC, and JW combined). But other than that - they did nothing.

Changing a NAME does nothing to validate ART. Art is validated by how it echos the sentiments of its audience. The songs on Arrival "stink" because they're thematically more ADULT CONTEMPORARY and don't follow a strong album theme as oppossed to E5C4P3 which had a powerful theme of escaping that spoke to the everyman:
DSB - driving bass with guitar train effects echoing the yearning of burning youth willing to take a midnight train anywhere - it doesn't matter where - just anywhere.
KOR - hyperspeed rocker about being a blue collar worker grinding out the OT.
Escape - 'nuff said.

These are songs about human nature and experiences. What song on Arrival took up the voice of everyman or any other human experience besides love? Beyond Livin' To Do it offers nothing but syrupy, candy-coated wedding songs. Not much of an arrival.

If your art doesn't speak to your audience - or ANY audience then it doesn't matter what your name is!

They're interested in the legacy cos that's where the $$$$$$$$$ is.

Cain's words now are like those of Perry's back in '97. "Don't spoil what we had." Makes you wonder what the last 9 years were all about. Now the band and Perry are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Maybe they're thinking that they really did 'crack the stone', and now, they're trying to uncrack it.


later~

frostbite wrote:They're interested in the legacy cos that's where the $$$$$$$$$ is.

Cain's words now are like those of Perry's back in '97. "Don't spoil what we had." Makes you wonder what the last 9 years were all about. Now the band and Perry are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Cain's words are like Perry's because they are all talking again. I guarantee that is what really is going on...

For the last friggin time! Hit the fuckin search button before you post something like that. Andrew has already answered the rumors about Perry coming back to Journey. It Is NOT going to happen.

chf34jmac wrote:For the last friggin time! Hit the fuckin search button before you post something like that. Andrew has already answered the rumors about Perry coming back to Journey. It Is NOT going to happen.

With all do respect, Andrew is not the denfinitive word on Journey facts and until anything otherwise is officially announced by Journey, ANYTHING is still possible.

If Journey had an official lead singer, and it wasn't Steve Perry as was in the past, I would agree with you that this possibility would be scarce. However, they now have a vacancy and this could open the door for a return of Steve Perry. Yeah, Steve said it is not true, Andrew said the same thing and Rockin' Deano I beleive echoed....but until a final choice has been made, the options are open and I am quite certain that Steve Perry is got this on his mind. Besides his comments may truthfully reflect the present but the near future may hold a different card. I am still of the opinion that something else that is much bigger is going on in secret as to this would be the only logical reason for the abrubt departure of JSS.

Yeah, you can say they are all stupid, but people who manage them are not. And believe me when I tell you that I know ALOT more than you may think I do.
Trust me.

Steve is gone, dude, and he's never coming back. Ever.

Oh god another Rich Meyers disciple. If it doesn't come directly from Journey then it can't be true!

chf34jmac wrote:Oh god another Rich Meyers disciple. If it doesn't come directly from Journey then it can't be true!

I never said that, I am simply implying that until Journey annouces a lead singer other than Steve Perry, ANYTHING
including and up to "Big Bird" is a possible candidate for the spot. To have a view otherwise is not realistic and quite "closed minded" don't you think?

Let's use "The Police" reunion as a prime example, in a statement from Sting himself he said and I quote, "I woke up one morning and decided this is something I should do, if you had asked me the day before I would thought you are out of your mind". It is not an exact quote but you get the jist.