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The Zoo...from July 2007...yeah, I kid a lot...until I heard this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2IrGxqLRg2M

tragchk wrote:The Zoo...from July 2007...yeah, I kid a lot...until I heard this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2IrGxqLRg2M

VERY VERY good cover. Someone needs to tell him that it's "Whoa oh oh oh", not "Ho oh oh oh" at the end. Sounded ridiculous, but the rest was awesome.

Soulless and empty. Notes are hit, but there's no depth. No emotion. If this is the future voice of Journey, it's a Journey I won't be on.

STORY_TELLER wrote:Soulless and empty. Notes are hit, but there's no depth. No emotion. If this is the future voice of Journey, it's a Journey I won't be on.

I know that feeling all too well, Story-teller. I've been feeling that for nine years. Sure, some of these clips are better than others...but I'd say that after a slightly awkward start this version of DSB has something a bit special about it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PGQPjIDEA

.. i would hate to see his contract with the band formerly known as journey,, sing, do laundry, re write black book, tune piano, pretend to be brother and interact with the drummer ,, refill ross' water gun... ect.. ect...BLAH

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i would hate to see his contract with the band formerly known as journey,, sing, do laundry, re write black book, tune piano, pretend to be brother and interact with the drummer ,, refill ross' water gun... ect.. ect...BLAH

You never cease to shake me Sir.....thank ya muchly.

Sorry, there are other candidates with much better delivery, control and depth.

I'm not feelin' it...if this is really THE guy then I am not impressed or interested.

Saint John wrote:

tragchk wrote:The Zoo...from July 2007...yeah, I kid a lot...until I heard this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2IrGxqLRg2M

VERY VERY good cover. Someone needs to tell him that it's "Whoa oh oh oh", not "Ho oh oh oh" at the end. Sounded ridiculous, but the rest was awesome.

Yeah, reminds me of the movie "A Christmas Story" when they are in the chinese rest. because the turkey was ruined. The house singers sang X-mas songs with an accent.

I think that the band this guy playes with is holding him back. He is talented and I am sure that having all of those lackluster musicans and sour notes behind him limits his ability to get in a zone. Accent, soul etc... Not worried. I think if this guy steps on stage with Journey he will have all of that because they will "send him to school" 1st... The guy has the voice and I hear plenty of soul. We really cant compare anyone to perry on soul though can we ? I think we just have to look at who can get it done at this point. I like the guys voice and his accent doesnt bother me in the least....

STORY_TELLER wrote:Soulless and empty. Notes are hit, but there's no depth. No emotion. If this is the future voice of Journey, it's a Journey I won't be on.

If you don't feel the emotion in his voice, it's not because it's not there but because you don't want to accept him singing that song. I hear the emotion in that delivery, so it does have depth and emotion. I'm not saying I want him to front Journey but you can't say it's "soulless and empty" just because you don't like it.

He's technically a poor singer. The breath control is all over the place. He runs out of 'gas' a couple of times. Notes, I still hear some sliding into base a few times.

Nope. Buh bye.

Playitloudforme wrote:He's technically a poor singer. The breath control is all over the place. He runs out of 'gas' a couple of times. Notes, I still hear some sliding into base a few times.

Nope. Buh bye.

I agree and for someone approaching 40 yrs old, this would be a big mistake.

Escape Artist wrote:
I agree and for someone approaching 40 yrs old, this would be a big mistake.

Then that's probably what they will do.

conversationpc wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:Soulless and empty. Notes are hit, but there's no depth. No emotion. If this is the future voice of Journey, it's a Journey I won't be on.

If you don't feel the emotion in his voice, it's not because it's not there but because you don't want to accept him singing that song. I hear the emotion in that delivery, so it does have depth and emotion. I'm not saying I want him to front Journey but you can't say it's "soulless and empty" just because you don't like it.

Uhh, no, dude. You're all kinds of wrong here... I'm the most fair minded guy you'll ever meet. When I followed the links to his youtube clips, I intentionally hid the youtube window so I could just LISTEN to his voice and not be influenced by his looks or stage presence. I'm not saying it's "soulless and empty because I don't like it". I'm saying I don't like it BECAUSE it's soulless and empty!! lol!!!

If he had the soul and emotion necessary to cover Journey, I'd be supporting him for the group not nay saying. It's not there because it's not there. If you hear it, well, all I can say is god bless! lol... I have extremely high standards. This guy doesn't meet that standard on Journey material. He'd be great in survivor though.

STORY_TELLER wrote:Uhh, no, dude. You're all kinds of wrong here... I'm the most fair minded guy you'll ever meet. When I followed the links to his youtube clips, I intentionally hid the youtube window so I could just LISTEN to his voice and not be influenced by his looks or stage presence. I'm not saying it's "soulless and empty because I don't like it". I'm saying I don't like it BECAUSE it's soulless and empty!! lol!!!

If he had the soul and emotion necessary to cover Journey, I'd be supporting him for the group not nay saying. It's not there because it's not there. If you hear it, well, all I can say is god bless! lol... I have extremely high standards. This guy doesn't meet that standard on Journey material. He'd be great in survivor though.

Uhh, yes, dude. It sounds soulless and empty TO YOU. You can't force your opinion onto others. If you don't hear it, that doesn't mean it's not there.

It is ALL OPINION. I can listen to Perry sing, for instance, and hear the emotion in his voice. Someone else can listen to it and not get it at all because it's subjective.

conversationpc wrote:It is ALL OPINION. I can listen to Perry sing, for instance, and hear the emotion in his voice. Someone else can listen to it and not get it at all because it's subjective.

Yeah, he posted it under his name, so it is his opinion, Dave.

conversationpc wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:Uhh, yes, dude. It sounds soulless and empty TO YOU. You can't force your opinion onto others. If you don't hear it, that doesn't mean it's not there.

It is ALL OPINION. I can listen to Perry sing, for instance, and hear the emotion in his voice. Someone else can listen to it and not get it at all because it's subjective.

Yes, you're absolutely correct. All art is completely subjective. Obviously, I have higher standards than you, but you know what? You'll be happier than I will because you'll like what you hear from this guy, so who's better off? lol...

On a related note (pun intended) here's a good way to test the "soul factor":

Play any clip of Arnel's material, be it Journey covers or any other band. Then go and find clips from Steve Perry's FTLOSM tour (sang while 'not in his prime'). On that tour, Perry covered songs a capella by Seal among others at the top of his own songs (using them as a bridge into his own/journey material). You can feel the emotion he instilled. In fact, a higher level of emotion (IMHO) that wasn't there in the original versions, but his own spin added the emotion. Why? Because Perry is a soulful singer.

If you can't hear the difference, well, I don't know what to tell you. Perry has 'it'. JSS has 'it'. Even Hugo has 'it' (on his own material). Arnel does not. Jeremy does not. They have good solid vocal chops. But it's surface technique. Nothing deep about it. That's not enough for me nor is it enough for any frontman of Journey. Why? Because there's a standard to live up to.

STORY_TELLER wrote:Obviously, I have higher standards than you...

On a related note (pun intended) here's a good way to test the "soul factor":

Play any clip of Arnel's material, be it Journey covers or any other band. Then go and find clips from Steve Perry's FTLOSM tour (sang while 'not in his prime'). On that tour, Perry covered songs a capella by Seal among others at the top of his own songs (using them as a bridge into his own/journey material). You can feel the emotion he instilled. Emotion that wasn't there in the original versions, but his own spin added the emotion. Why? Because Perry is a soulful singer.

If you can't hear the difference, well, I don't know what to tell you. Perry has 'it'. JSS has 'it'. Even Hugo has 'it' (on his own material). Arnel does not. Jeremy does not. They have good solid vocal chops. But it's surface technique. Nothing deep about it. That's not enough for me nor is it enough for any frontman of Journey. Why? Because there's a standard to live up to.

I don't need to test anything. Perry is head and shoulders above most singers. No contest.

conversationpc wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:Obviously, I have higher standards than you...

That's funny as hell! lol... Nice one. But seriously, if you're saying something is good and I'm saying it's not good enough, who has the higher standards? Sounds like a quantifiable measuring stick to me. Stick THAT in your photobucket image and smoke it!

(note: all said respectfully and with a big shit eating grin on my face)

STORY_TELLER wrote:That's funny as hell! lol... Nice one. But seriously, if you're saying something is good and I'm saying it's not good enough, who has the higher standards? Sounds like a quantifiable measuring stick to me. Stick THAT in your photobucket image and smoke it!

(note: all said respectfully and with a big shit eating grin on my face)

If ya gotta "send the guy to school" in order to practice his English or to hide his accent, why don't you just find someone who doesn't have an accent, or who can phrase the words to your liking?

Greg wrote:If ya gotta "send the guy to school" in order to practice his English or to hide his accent, why don't you just find someone who doesn't have an accent, or who can phrase the words to your liking?

Exactly, that is what a reasonable person would do.

conversationpc wrote:
Perry is head and shoulders above most singers. No contest.

Not anymore he's not. And he's not a contender. The two asswipes are trying to resurrect a dead issue, because the two asswipes can't see the forest for the trees.

I have listened to Arnel, and I don't see what the major fuss is about. The one thing he does is hug the mic close to his throat when he sings; I don't see any stage presence, and I don't see a consistency in his vocals.

Plain and simple, they blew everything by letting Jeff go. He will, however, be going strong long after these windbage have lost their last ounce of steam.

yak wrote:

conversationpc wrote:
Perry is head and shoulders above most singers. No contest.

Not anymore he's not. And he's not a contender. The two asswipes are trying to resurrect a dead issue, because the two asswipes can't see the forest for the trees.

You really should read more carefully before you comment. The "dead issue" you're saying we are "trying to resurrect" isn't mentioned once by us in this thread. You injected an element of the debate which wasn't there. Show me in this thread where I said Steve Perry should front Journey again. The issue isn't that Perry is coming back or if Perry can sing the catalogue anymore. I don't believe he can. Not the way he used to. But I do believe he can still sing something and should record new material that suits the current state of his voice.

The issue WE were discussing, is the vocal quality bar set by Steve Perry. That is the standard by which every other singer will be compared to. That quality level. To replace that legacy is impossible to do, but if you're going to attempt it, at least pick a successor with a talent level that comes close. The debate is whether or not Arnel has the vocal chops to do that. I say he does not. I say he's a soulless karaoke singer. Talented, yes, but Journey quality, not even close. Dean is a better singer than Arnel. Arnel is only slightly better than Steve Augeri. John West and JSS have more sophisticated chords than this guy and they weren't chosen.

I brought up SP for comparison regarding soulful singing. You brought up a topic of discussion which wasn't mentioned once in this thread (Steve Perry should come back).

So, ummmm... about that asswipe comment?

yak wrote:Plain and simple, they blew everything by letting Jeff will, however, be going strong long after these windbage have lost their last ounce of steam.

That I'll agree with.

The issue WE were discussing, is the vocal quality bar set by Steve Perry. That is the standard by which every other singer will be compared to. That quality level. To replace that legacy is impossible to do, but if you're going to attempt it, at least pick a successor with a talent level that comes close. The debate is whether or not Arnel has the vocal chops to do that. I say he does not. I say he's a soulless karaoke singer. Talented, yes, but Journey quality, not even close. Dean is a better singer than Arnel. Arnel is only slightly better than Steve Augeri. John West and JSS have more sophisticated chords than this guy and they weren't chosen.

I brought up SP for comparison regarding soulful singing. You brought up a topic of discussion which wasn't mentioned once in this thread (Steve Perry should come back).

So, ummmm... about that asswipe comment?

Maybe you need a reading class?

I was debating Dave's quote.

The "dead issue?" JOURNEY.... or should I have added IMO, which should already be supposed, since this IS a public forum?

The two asswipes? Neal and Jon, self explanatory

Sorry to "inject an element of the debate that wasn't there." We do that all the time here. It's what makes reading this forum the adventure that it has become.

Next time note that people are ONLY supposed to answer by certain guidlines, according to what you read. If by chance you find not too many comments with those restrictions, you're still entitled to rattle your chain.

yak wrote:Not anymore he's not. And he's not a contender.

Didn't say that he was a contender and it's obvious he's not where he used to be. That wasn't what I was talking about.

Arnel's cover of Cheap Trick. VERY nice. He even as a little grit to his voice.
I'm still not completely sold on the idea, but he his is very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiGITj1pZXw

conversationpc wrote:
If you don't feel the emotion in his voice, it's not because it's not there but because you don't want to accept him singing that song. I hear the emotion in that delivery, so it does have depth and emotion.

What PC said. ^

Wally_Hatchet wrote:

conversationpc wrote:
If you don't feel the emotion in his voice, it's not because it's not there but because you don't want to accept him singing that song. I hear the emotion in that delivery, so it does have depth and emotion.

What PC said. ^

You should have read my response to PC's statement(s) before posting. What PC said, and you support, is highly inaccurate speculation on your part. I can easily flip that argument and say you feel emotion in his voice because you want it to be there. I'm not a perry only for Journey voter because I'm realistic. He doesn't want to be in Journey anymore. He's made that clear. I think Neal and Jon made a big mistake in not hiring John West for the gig. His chords are miles above Augeri's and Arnel's. Arnel's not the guy. He's not good enough. Like I said, I have higher standards for what is 'good'.

Last time I'm gonna say this...Arnel Pineda has ZERO chance of fronting Journey. It will NEVER happen.