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mikemarrs wrote:could robert fleishman end up fronting journey again?

this would be really strange if this happens.

STORY_TELLER wrote:Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

stevew2 wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

Thats was cool to have seen that,i wish I was there

STORY_TELLER wrote:
I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

STORY_TELLER wrote:

stevew2 wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

Thats was cool to have seen that,i wish I was there

OH it was AMAZING. I was praying Perry would show up and give us a thrill, but it didn't happen. Neal came back on stage at the end of the last song and apologized that Perry didn't show (as in: "sorry guys, Steve's a no show").

I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

chf34jmac wrote:To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

chf34jmac wrote:The reason that Smitty isn't mentioned much here is respect. He is a world class drummer and an even bigger world class human being. To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

STORY_TELLER wrote:Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

jrnyval wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:Not even remotely possible. I saw Fleishman perform wheel in the sky with Journey at the hollywood walk of fame after concert here in LA. Augeri had to pitch in to cover him missing the notes. It was embarrassing, but he shrugged it off like a trooper. Still, he can't sing the catalogue.

I was there, too!!! Was that not a completely awesome night and one to remember for a long, long time?!! Will never forget that night, hell, the whole weekend!!

chf34jmac wrote:The reason that Smitty isn't mentioned much here is respect. He is a world class drummer and an even bigger world class human being. To lump him in here in any discussion involving these ridiculous special ed students (Frig and Fro) would be a huge insult to the guy. Smitty only ever let his drum work do the talking, and not his mouth. Having met him backstage during Frontiers tour, I can say he is a great human being and a gentleman always.

SPFan4ever wrote:I do not know if anyone has even read this but here is why the band fired Soto. If they want to sound like Led Zeppelin again then they need to hire Robert.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... _will.html

SPFan4ever wrote:Where did I say it was all Cain's fault? You cannot take something out of context when the article plainly states it was a "group decision" to get rid of him.

I can see Cain's displeasure with the way Jeff Scott Soto sang Journey's songs, he sounded nothing like Perry.

Since this quote has been released by Johnathon Cain, "We wish Jeff the best of luck, we just wanted to move in a different direction sonically. We're interested in our legacy right now. We want to sound like our old records and we want to sound like the 65 million units that are out there"

STORY_TELLER wrote:I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

Journey/Survivor wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

STORY_TELLER wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

Everything I've heard from Dean (Bad English to Hardline to Journey) all has the exact same approach. He's a good pounder, but he lacks sophistication, subtlety, finesse. He's a one trick pony, delivering the same solution and energy to every song. Doesn't make him a bad drummer. Just not in the league of Steve Smith. Smith's an artist. Creative and innovative in ways Dean (and most other drummers) aren't. It's one of the things that makes the current Journey lineup sound less than their legacy. Smith won't be back without Perry of course, so there's no chance he will rejoin. Even still, Dean should come out from behind the drums and sing. He's the best lead vocalist available to them to tour the dirty dozen. He's a better singer than a drummer I think.

STORY_TELLER wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:I posted more details of what went on at this concert in another thread about Steve Smith. He was the REAL highlight of the evening. Watching him jam with the rest of the guys was a stunning experience. Especially seeing him wipe the floor with both Dean and Ansley both. Neither of them can touch smitty's skills on the skins. Not even remotely close. There was a definite quality difference in the sound of the band when he was on drums. It was night and day.

In my opinion Steve Smith is the greatest drummer in history! There isn't any style that he can't play to perfection.
IMO he blows Neil Peart away, not even close.

So keep in mind that I feel that Smith is definitely the greatest drummer in the world.

With that said, I don't feel that Aynsley and Deen are very far behind. Aynsley hasn't done much to show is tremendous talent in many years now, but in his day he was as good as there was at the time. Aynsley might have been the greatest drummer in the world in the 1970's?

If your talking strictly ROCK drummers, then Deen might be the best there is right now?

I have a friend who is himself a world-class drummer, he was at one of the NAMM shows a few years back and both Smith and Castronovo were performing there in a drum-off of sorts. Steve Smith is my friends favorite drummer, and he said that yes, Smith won the battle, but that Deen made it very close.

Don't underestimate how great of drummers Dunbar and Castronovo are.

Everything I've heard from Dean (Bad English to Hardline to Journey) all has the exact same approach. He's a good pounder, but he lacks sophistication, subtlety, finesse. He's a one trick pony, delivering the same solution and energy to every song. Doesn't make him a bad drummer. Just not in the league of Steve Smith. Smith's an artist. Creative and innovative in ways Dean (and most other drummers) aren't. It's one of the things that makes the current Journey lineup sound less than their legacy. Smith won't be back without Perry of course, so there's no chance he will rejoin. Even still, Dean should come out from behind the drums and sing. He's the best lead vocalist available to them to tour the dirty dozen. He's a better singer than a drummer I think.