MR

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:35 pm**

Quote:

From: David Motari 'the Puppy Killer' MySpace page

I want to say first of all that I am really sorry for the whole puppy thing. I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a FUCKING STRAY!!!

Get the fuck over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! Shit Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!"

"I want to clear somethings up before tomarrow. This might be hard to believe but I am sorry about the dog. At the time I just really didn't care. When you are constantly under fire sometimes people develope a different sence of humor than what others are used to.

That video was from over a year ago and i dont know who put it out there but it wasn't me. It has been a real hard day. I don't know how they got my information but someone got all my information and i had to disconnect my parents and my girlfriends phone. not to mention i had to redo my myspace because it got hacked. I just want this to end.

" And: "What, you expect me to carry a stray sick dog from patrol 10+ miles back to camp with me. Did you know that we're not supposed to have dogs? Did you know that there isn't medicine available for animals out there? So what the fuck do you want me to do with it. It was going to die a slow and horrible death.

Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that." AND: "Look, you guys didn't know that the dog was sick and starving by the road. I was helping it. That dog was going to die anyways".

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By his reasoning since everything is "going to die anyway", it doesn't matter how we treat animals? People? :evil:

Posted: **Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:22 pm**

StoneCold wrote:By his reasoning since everything is "going to die anyway", it doesn't matter how we treat animals? People?

I read about this yesterday. If that's his view, maybe someone should throw his fucking dumb ass over a cliff.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:24 am**

The incident happened in Hawaii - not quite underfire.

I am taking the buddhist stance on this and considering this an opportunity to be compasionate - and try to understand the sickness that this man is burdened with.

Because , if I don't - it's gonna get really ugly "The Devil may own your soul but your ass is mine" (and that will splash over on my karma too)

On the non-buddhist side - he is dickless, sprineless and soulless.

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:54 am**

CatEyes wrote:The incident happened in Hawaii - not quite underfire.

On the non-buddhist side - he is dickless, sprineless and soulless.

Cat

Wrong.
The guy is apparently stationed out of Hawaii but was
deployed to Iraq when this incident occurred.

Also, he is absolutely right in his assessment of the situation.
All of the stray animals over there, whether it be dogs, cats, rodents, etc,
are disease-ridden and a hazard to the troops in the field.

The dog was gonna die.
Should he have just followed normal procedure and shot it? Sure.
The only mistake this guy made was that he and his buddy videotaped it
and decided to do something that most people would find offensive.

To him, it meant nothing. Those men and women of the Army & Marines serving
on the frontlines over there quickly become numb to wishy-washy things like
puppies & kittens. Try seeing a few of your commrades gunned down or
blown apart by an IED and see if your "mindset" doesn't change a little bit.

The worst thing is, because of all this whining bullshit from over-emotional,
15-minutes-of-fame-Al-Sharpton-wannbes, this poor guy is gonna wind up
getting dishonorably discharged from the military. He and his family
are going to go thru hell and finacial hardships, not to mention public
humiliation and flogging, all over a fucking diseased ridden puppy
that was gonna die anyway...

Pretty fucking pathetic!
You should just be saying, "Hey, you made a bad decision but
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE ME AND MY FAMILY!
THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO SO I DON'T HAVE TO!"

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:09 am**

I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
CatEyes wrote:The incident happened in Hawaii - not quite underfire.

On the non-buddhist side - he is dickless, sprineless and soulless.

Cat

Wrong.
The guy is apparently stationed out of Hawaii but was
deployed to Iraq when this incident occurred.

Also, he is absolutely right in his assessment of the situation.
All of the stray animals over there, whether it be dogs, cats, rodents, etc,
are disease-ridden and a hazard to the troops in the field.

The dog was gonna die.
Should he have just followed normal procedure and shot it? Sure.
The only mistake this guy made was that he and his buddy videotaped it
and decided to do something that most people would find offensive.

To him, it meant nothing. Those men and women of the Army & Marines serving
on the frontlines over there quickly become numb to wishy-washy things like
puppies & kittens. Try seeing a few of your commrades gunned down or
blown apart by an IED and see if your "mindset" doesn't change a little bit.

The worst thing is, because of all this whining bullshit from over-emotional,
15-minutes-of-fame-Al-Sharpton-wannbes, this poor guy is gonna wind up
getting dishonorably discharged from the military. He and his family
are going to go thru hell and finacial hardships, not to mention public
humiliation and flogging, all over a fucking diseased ridden puppy
that was gonna die anyway...

Pretty fucking pathetic!
You should just be saying, "Hey, you made a bad decision but
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE ME AND MY FAMILY!
THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO SO I DON'T HAVE TO!"

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:13 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
CatEyes wrote:The incident happened in Hawaii - not quite underfire.

On the non-buddhist side - he is dickless, sprineless and soulless.

Cat

Wrong.
The guy is apparently stationed out of Hawaii but was
deployed to Iraq when this incident occurred.

Also, he is absolutely right in his assessment of the situation.
All of the stray animals over there, whether it be dogs, cats, rodents, etc,
are disease-ridden and a hazard to the troops in the field.

The dog was gonna die.
Should he have just followed normal procedure and shot it? Sure.
The only mistake this guy made was that he and his buddy videotaped it
and decided to do something that most people would find offensive.

To him, it meant nothing. Those men and women of the Army & Marines serving
on the frontlines over there quickly become numb to wishy-washy things like
puppies & kittens. Try seeing a few of your commrades gunned down or
blown apart by an IED and see if your "mindset" doesn't change a little bit.

The worst thing is, because of all this whining bullshit from over-emotional,
15-minutes-of-fame-Al-Sharpton-wannbes, this poor guy is gonna wind up
getting dishonorably discharged from the military. He and his family
are going to go thru hell and finacial hardships, not to mention public
humiliation and flogging, all over a fucking diseased ridden puppy
that was gonna die anyway...

Pretty fucking pathetic!
You should just be saying, "Hey, you made a bad decision but
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE ME AND MY FAMILY!
THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO SO I DON'T HAVE TO!"

Carlitto

Ya don't need to waive the Stars and Stripes to me - I am an aware human being and yes I have been keeping up with the news and read about the pressures and stress that our troops (and their families) face . I am grateful that they place their lives on the line every day to protect our freedoms.

Here it comes .....

However, while I do not agree with the procedures put into place, they are in place for a reason.

Any soldier stepping out of line with those procedures could possibly be putting other troops and therefore our safety in danger.

While I understand the need to let off steam, it is not so much the cruelty with which it was done, but the fact that he took so much pride in it and filmed it and then bragged about it.

That is my opinion. And I can have that opiinion and still be grateful for what the military is doing.

Do you remember (I may have the name wrong) Desert Shield? (if the name is not correct - the one I am referring to was the first campaign, it was under the first Prsident Bush)

The entire thing was televised - we all woke up one morning to "Hi!! We just invaded .........." and it was kind of a shock. the media was taken along on the invasion.

While I was appalled at the invasion (my choice) there was one image that is still etched in my heart and my brain.

The soldiers of the opposition were really not well equipped - no food - no uniforms....... and they were surrendering directly to our individual soldiers all over the place.

I will never forget one of our military - a foot soldier - he looked like he was maybe 19 years old. He was being approached by about 100 of the enemy soldiers, crawling on their belies the translation of whay they were saying was "Please don't kill me ..... please don't kill me"

And what did our boy do? He knealt down and touched each one (dictionary in his hand) and kept repeating We are from the United States of America ...... no one will hurt you now.

Defending us with the very powerful weapon of compassion.

I am sure that he was under pressure as well.

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:22 am**

CatEyes wrote:Carlitto

Ya don't need to waive the Stars and Stripes to me

Cat, let me apologize to you because it was too easy for
you to interprett my rant as a direct rant at you.

Far from it! I only quoted you to shed light that this did
not happen in Hawaii. My rant is a rant at most Americans in general these days.

I think of America these days and how overblown some things ecome
and words like spoiled, weak, ignorant, greedy, and naive come to mind
and it makes me sick.

What our troops and leadership let happen to those POWs at Abu Ghraib
was horrendous and embarrassing and deserved the spotlight and attention it got.
But this? Over a puppy???

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:26 am**

nolippin wrote:I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:53 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
nolippin wrote:I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

Well, since I"m on everyone's shit list this week anyway, I'll go ahead and say I have to agree with Carlos here. I can't imagine what our armed forces go through so far away from home away from loved ones and the things they see and the hardships and then have to take a bunch of shit over a damn dog. How many children are killed senselessly over there EVERYDAY? Priorities, people. :roll:

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:58 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

The dog was gonna die.
Should he have just followed normal procedure and shot it? Sure.

The only mistake this guy made was that he and his buddy videotaped it
and decided to do something that most people would find offensive.

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You contradict yourself there.

He made two mistakes. If its standard procedure to shoot it, then shoot in the head. At least thats instant. But he said, he's getting "creative".

So why videotape it then? Cause they're getting pleasure out of it and want to show off.

They don't earn my respect and deserve their punishment.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:58 am**

hey, he had to get his sadistic urges out somehow...

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:08 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
nolippin wrote:I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

No give me a fucking break. The guy should not get a free pass because he's a soldier. He got creative and flaunted it on video. Because of that, he deserves all the hardship that he gets. PERIOD.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:11 am**

What the man did was an extreme act of cruelty. Taping it, bragging about it and defending it a year later is a sign of instability. People who abuse animals...under any excuse...are capable of exhibiting the same treatment with humans.

This behavior is inexcusable...anywhere. We are supposed to be the protectors.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:12 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
CatEyes wrote:Carlitto

Ya don't need to waive the Stars and Stripes to me

Cat, let me apologize to you because it was too easy for
you to interprett my rant as a direct rant at you.

Far from it! I only quoted you to shed light that this did
not happen in Hawaii. My rant is a rant at most Americans in general these days.

I think of America these days and how overblown some things ecome
and words like spoiled, weak, ignorant, greedy, and naive come to mind
and it makes me sick.

What our troops and leadership let happen to those POWs at Abu Ghraib
was horrendous and embarrassing and deserved the spotlight and attention it got.
But this? Over a puppy???

thanks Carlitto - and you know I have been behind you 100%

Not to belabor the point - however, I think that what most people are upset about may not be about the puppy itself - but the attitude

yes the soldier is stressed - however, besides defending our country, the military also represents our country to the world.

The attitude of that soldier did not reflect America well.

Love ya,

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:14 am**

Then I truly hope that you have friends/family who will see this and help you.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
nolippin wrote:I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:16 am**

nolippin wrote:Then I truly hope that you have friends/family who will see this and help you.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
nolippin wrote:I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

nolippin

I understand your feelings.

However, this is already a very emotional topic.

Carlitto and I do not see eye to eye on it - however, we can disagree without making it personal and try to respond to each other with respect.

Taking it personal only seems to make the pain worse.

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:22 am**

?????
I'm expressing my opinion and concern just as you have. If this man has friends who read here, they should be concerned for him. Defending the actions of the man who cruelly killed a puppy is very disturbing to me.

CatEyes wrote:
nolippin wrote:Then I truly hope that you have friends/family who will see this and help you.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
nolippin wrote:I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

nolippin

I understand your feelings.

However, this is already a very emotional topic.

Carlitto and I do not see eye to eye on it - however, we can disagree without making it personal and try to respond to each other with respect.

Taking it personal only seems to make the pain worse.

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:27 am**

nolippin wrote:?????
I'm expressing my opinion and concern just as you have.

The difference I see is that my opinion and concern were directed toward the topic of this thread - not regarding the poster.

Enjoy your day.

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:30 am**

My opinion and concern is for the attitude toward the actions and the defense of those actions.

I am enjoying my day. :roll:

CatEyes wrote:
nolippin wrote:?????
I'm expressing my opinion and concern just as you have.

The difference I see is that my opinion and concern were directed toward the topic of this thread - not regarding the poster.

Enjoy your day.

Cat

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:48 am**

I hear the NFL is pretty stressful. Maybe we should let Michael Vick free and clear his record. :roll:

And the guy in California that tossed a dog into oncoming cars on the freeway? He got 3 years in prison.

There's no way you can justify this behavior. A puppy is trusting and innocent in the way a human baby is. That's why there's outrage over it. As there should be.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:50 am**

that soldier needed to be thrown off the cliff. Im sure that little puppy values his life as much as that soldiers does. Only difference is is that the puppy is helpless and couldnt defend himself.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:55 am**

Stone Cold, Nolippin, Pink-whatever,
You are ALL shining examples of how screwed up this country is.
I think all of you are the ones that need the counseling.
Get a grip of your emotions AND reality.

Let me ask you ALL this...
Ever stepped on an ant?
Flamed them with a magnifying glass???
Ever swat a mosquito???
Ever sprayed a wasps nest with pesticide?
Ever put a worm on a hook and gone fishing???
Ever caught/killed a mouse in a mousetrap???
Ever swatted a fly???

I could go on and on with examples of "cruelty to God's creatures"
that no one seems to care about. Why?
Because ants, wasps, flies, rodents and worms aren't readily associated
with all things "cute and cuddily".
They are pests. They bite and sting
and contaminate our homes and food with germs...

But aren't they all just as innocent as this poor, defenseless puppy?

BTW, let me repeat one thing:
This puppy, like all of the stray animals over there, was/is disease/germ-ridden,
a danger to the troops in the field and to the local population... Just like the
rodents, flies and mosquitoes I previously mentioned. :wink:

I DO think what this guy and his pal did was wrong.
Wrong, as in Criminal??? No way.
Wrong, as in bad judgement or a bad decision??? Absolutely.

It is not something worth the public humiliation this guy and his
familiy is getting put through, not to mention have his career in the military
cut short over this; we have enuff trouble as it is getting young men & women
to serve or stay in past their first enlistments.

And don't give me that crap about "then he shouldn't be in the military".
Fine. You think that?
Sign up and take his place.
I bet NONE of you have the guts to even THINK about it
let alone do it, do you???

And this HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SIMILARITIES to the bullshit
stories you threw out there, Stone Cold. Vick straight up broke
the law running a disgusting sport. The guy in Cali? Criminal.

This guy didn't go out on a puppy killing spree for kicks.
he didn't go and grab this cute, cuddily little puppy out of
the arms of a crying, little Iraqi child just cause he could.
He put the sick, starving, dying animal out of its misery, like
they do to several others everyday...
He just made a VERY poor judgement call on the way he did it this time
and having his buddy videotape it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:11 am**

First of all, was this guy a veterinarian to determine if this puppy was really "disease infested"? I have no problem with him putting the puppy out of it's misery if it really was. But bragging about it & videotaping it WAS WRONG no matter how you slice it!! So stop defending this PIG!! :evil:

Second of all, there is no such thing as The Society of Prevention to Cruelty to Cockroaches, Ants, etc. so quit mixing apples and oranges. It isn't going to "fly" here, pun intended.

I hope the guy loses everything and rots in hell. Only because of the bragging and videotaping, not the supposedly putting it out of it's misery. And even that is still VERY debatable.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Stone Cold, Nolippin, Pink-whatever,
You are ALL shining examples of how screwed up this country is.
I think all of you are the ones that need the counseling.
Get a grip of your emotions AND reality.

Let me ask you ALL this...
Ever stepped on an ant?
Flamed them with a magnifying glass???
Ever swat a mosquito???
Ever sprayed a wasps nest with pesticide?
Ever put a worm on a hook and gone fishing???
Ever caught/killed a mouse in a mousetrap???
Ever swatted a fly???

I could go on and on with examples of "cruelty to God's creatures"
that no one seems to care about. Why?
Because ants, wasps, flies, rodents and worms aren't readily associated
with all things "cute and cuddily".
They are pests. They bite and sting
and contaminate our homes and food with germs...

But aren't they all just as innocent as this poor, defenseless puppy?

BTW, let me repeat one thing:
This puppy, like all of the stray animals over there, was/is disease/germ-ridden,
a danger to the troops in the field and to the local population... Just like the
rodents, flies and mosquitoes I previously mentioned.

I DO think what this guy and his pal did was wrong.
Wrong, as in Criminal??? No way.
Wrong, as in bad judgement or a bad decision??? Absolutely.

It is not something worth the public humiliation this guy and his
familiy is getting put through, not to mention have his career in the military
cut short over this; we have enuff trouble as it is getting young men & women
to serve or stay in past their first enlistments.

And don't give me that crap about "then he shouldn't be in the military".
Fine. You think that?
Sign up and take his place.
I bet NONE of you have the guts to even THINK about it
let alone do it, do you???

And this HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SIMILARITIES to the bullshit
stories you threw out there, Stone Cold. Vick straight up broke
the law running a disgusting sport. The guy in Cali? Criminal.

This guy didn't go out on a puppy killing spree for kicks.
he didn't go and grab this cute, cuddily little puppy out of
the arms of a crying, little Iraqi child just cause he could.
He put the sick, starving, dying animal out of its misery, like
they do to several others everyday...
He just made a VERY poor judgement call on the way he did it this time
and having his buddy videotape it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:19 am**

Fighting against the pyscho PETA-like fanatics is like swimming upstream isn't it, Carlos. :lol:

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:22 am**

My father was a WWII vet. He told me stories about how, wherever they were stationed, the soldiers would find these poor abused, starving dogs. Many of the troops wanted to keep the animals and try to help them, but there wasn't enough food and resources to go around. Many times they would have to shoot the animal to save it from suffering.

There is a VAST difference between that and throwing a living creature off a cliff and video taping the event so you and your pals can have a good laugh over it. I have never been to war and I have never experienced the stress soldiers deal with day to day. What I do know is that I would never - under any circumstances - treat a living creature the way that puppy was treated. That does not mean I disrespect our military or the job they are doing. I do however disrespect this soldier and his friends who thought this was okay.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:30 am**

KenTheDude wrote:First of all, was this guy a veterinarian to determine if this puppy was really "disease infested"? I have no problem with him putting the puppy out of it's misery if it really was. But bragging about it & videotaping it WAS WRONG no matter how you slice it!! So stop defending this PIG!!

Trust me, it was disease ridden. I guess you kinda have to have
"been there, done that" to have a clue as to what the real world is like, Ken.

KenTheDude wrote:Second of all, there is no such thing as The Society of Prevention to Cruelty to Cockroaches, Ants, etc. so quit mixing apples and oranges. It isn't going to "fly" here, pun intended.

No mixing of apples and oranges, Dude.
Just because there aren't any "societies" for the creatures I mentioned
doesn't make them any less "innocent" than a stray puppy.
They are "Animals" and "God's creatures" just like you, me and little puppies.
Quit being a hypocrite.

KenTheDude wrote:I hope the guy loses everything and rots in hell. Only because of the bragging and videotaping, not the supposedly putting it out of it's misery. And even that is still VERY debatable.

Yea, the guy makes a bad judgement call while being deployed
in a HIGHLY STRESSFULL enviroment, where he has seen things
I wouldn't even wish upon my worst enemies, and he deserves
to have his life and career ruined... all for a puppy.

I am surprised I haven't seen a thread to
"Give this poor martyred puppy a name" yet :roll:

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:42 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:First of all, was this guy a veterinarian to determine if this puppy was really "disease infested"? I have no problem with him putting the puppy out of it's misery if it really was. But bragging about it & videotaping it WAS WRONG no matter how you slice it!! So stop defending this PIG!!

Trust me, it was disease ridden. I guess you kinda have to have
"been there, done that" to have a clue as to what the real world is like, Ken.

KenTheDude wrote:Second of all, there is no such thing as The Society of Prevention to Cruelty to Cockroaches, Ants, etc. so quit mixing apples and oranges. It isn't going to "fly" here, pun intended.

No mixing of apples and oranges, Dude.
Just because there aren't any "societies" for the creatures I mentioned
doesn't make them any less "innocent" than a stray puppy.
They are "Animals" and "God's creatures" just like you, me and little puppies.
Quit being a hypocrite.

KenTheDude wrote:I hope the guy loses everything and rots in hell. Only because of the bragging and videotaping, not the supposedly putting it out of it's misery. And even that is still VERY debatable.

Yea, the guy makes a bad judgement call while being deployed
in a HIGHLY STRESSFULL enviroment, where he has seen things
I wouldn't even wish upon my worst enemies, and he deserves
to have his life and career ruined... all for a puppy.

I am surprised I haven't seen a thread to
"Give this poor martyred puppy a name" yet

And I'm surprised that you keep saying it's OK what he did just because he happened to be in a highly stressful environment. I'm not a liberal "PETA-type" as described by Angie. I eat meat, kill mosquitoes, etc. Totally different scenario than throwing a puppy off of a cliff & videotaping it, so yes you are mixing apples and oranges. It's not so much of the fact that he killed the animal, it's the way he did it. That's the part you're not grasping. I am not a hypocrite, I'd never do that.

If he would have shot the animal to put it out of it's misery and then buried it without being a dumbass show-off, he wouldn't be in the shit that he is in now. Think about that. He knew what he was doing was totally wrong. Whether he is in a wartime atmosphere or not is a bullshit excuse. The only reason why he is backpedalling and apologizing now is because he got caught and is receiving a wrath of shit. And rightly so. He gets no free passes.

Lora's post above is spot on as well.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:00 am**

KenTheDude wrote:And I'm surprised that you keep saying it's OK what he did just because he happened to be in a highly stressful environment. I'm not a liberal "PETA-type" as described by Angie. I eat meat, kill mosquitoes, etc. Totally different scenario than throwing a puppy off of a cliff & videotaping it, so yes you are mixing apples and oranges. It's not so much of the fact that he killed the animal, it's the way he did it. That's the part you're not grasping. I am not a hypocrite, I'd never do that.

If he would have shot the animal to put it out of it's misery and then buried it without being a dumbass show-off, he wouldn't be in the shit that he is in now. Think about that. He knew what he was doing was totally wrong. Whether he is in a wartime atmosphere or not is a bullshit excuse. The only reason why he is backpedalling and apologizing now is because he got caught and is receiving a wrath of shit. And rightly so. He gets no free passes.

Lora's post above is spot on as well.

Read my ENTIRE posts, dipshit!
I NEVER said what he did was OK.
I AGREE that it was wrong.
But it was WRONG, as ina Bad Judgement Call or a Poor Decision,
NOT a criminal act and DEFINITELY NOT worthy of all the flack
this guy is getting from people like you and everyone else.

Some of you people really make me laugh.

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:05 am**

nolippin wrote:What the man did was an extreme act of cruelty. Taping it, bragging about it and defending it a year later is a sign of instability. People who abuse animals...under any excuse...are capable of exhibiting the same treatment with humans.

This behavior is inexcusable...anywhere. We are supposed to be the protectors.

I'm just curious, did you read this before posting it,We are talking about a soldier who is going to kill PEOPLE(men woman and unfortunately children in some cases) in the name of protecting the good people of the United States.Isn't that cruel,the whole entire mess is cruel.

"People who abuse animals...under any excuse...are capable of exhibiting the same treatment with humans"

He's a soldier, isn't he being asked to kill people over there, to protect democracy(killing seems abusive to me but its okay during war its expected)

With this logic shouldn't we expect that innocent animals will die since he is over there killing people(many who may be innocent)

"Taping it, bragging about it and defending it a year later is a sign of instability" (ask yourself this, would you feel stable if you were expected to kill people,animals,children,)

If you were killing people wouldn't it be possible that the only way to get thru it is by using some negative coping mechanism like bragging ,taking pictures or even laughing in the face of death. Is it a sign of instability? Yes. but isn't everything about War unstable

Personally ,i don't know how i would feel if i had to kill people, I know it would change me, I may become cold and distant. It may become easier to do after completing the task a couple times.I have no way to gauge how my behavior would change unless i actually was put in that position.

Lastly, is it fair what happened to the puppy......NO

Is it fair what happens to the people that get killed "over there".......NO

Is it fair that this guy (or any other soldier) was put in the position to kill people or animals for us in the name of the United States......NO!

Posted: **Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:08 am**

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:First of all, was this guy a veterinarian to determine if this puppy was really "disease infested"? I have no problem with him putting the puppy out of it's misery if it really was. But bragging about it & videotaping it WAS WRONG no matter how you slice it!! So stop defending this PIG!!

Trust me, it was disease ridden. I guess you kinda have to have
"been there, done that" to have a clue as to what the real world is like, Ken.

KenTheDude wrote:Second of all, there is no such thing as The Society of Prevention to Cruelty to Cockroaches, Ants, etc. so quit mixing apples and oranges. It isn't going to "fly" here, pun intended.

No mixing of apples and oranges, Dude.
Just because there aren't any "societies" for the creatures I mentioned
doesn't make them any less "innocent" than a stray puppy.
They are "Animals" and "God's creatures" just like you, me and little puppies.
Quit being a hypocrite.

KenTheDude wrote:I hope the guy loses everything and rots in hell. Only because of the bragging and videotaping, not the supposedly putting it out of it's misery. And even that is still VERY debatable.

Yea, the guy makes a bad judgement call while being deployed
in a HIGHLY STRESSFULL enviroment, where he has seen things
I wouldn't even wish upon my worst enemies, and he deserves
to have his life and career ruined... all for a puppy.

I am surprised I haven't seen a thread to
"Give this poor martyred puppy a name" yet

And you want to martyr this person just because he wears a uniform.

He is a disgrace to the Marine Corps and a disgrace to every other person who serves or has served his/her country with honor and integrity. There was nothing heroic or honorable about this act. There was nothing honorable about recording it on video. Every person who had anything to do with this cowardly act deserves to be punished to the fullest extent under the rules of military law. End Of Fucking Story!

I get so sick of all this flag waving, "thank you for your service" bullshit!. Deciding to join the military does not make you special, it does not even make you worthy of respect. Respect is gained by the choices you make and by your actions. This Marine does not deserve my respect or my thanks.

And before you ask. Yes, I did my time in uniform. Nine years in the Navy when it was not so politically correct to be in the military. And I did not decide to serve so that some dillwad would thank me for my service, or to defend the country against "evil doers." I did it to honor my father and his 24 years of service.

MR

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