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....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

ProgRocker53 wrote:....
....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

you want some good remakes, just put on Greatest Hits Live!!! get in your car and drive fast!!

i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....
....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

you want some good remakes, just put on Greatest Hits Live!!! get in your car and drive fast!!

i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

I love that album!!!!

scarygirl wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....
....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

you want some good remakes, just put on Greatest Hits Live!!! get in your car and drive fast!!

i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

I love that album!!!!

we are the minority on this one...

if i still had it .. i would cruise by to get you in my 82 Trans Am , take the T-Tops off , throw this cassette on and pick nic on a green meadow..

sip on some Black Velvet blended.. ..

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

Add me to that list!
But it was only 12 years ago....

I love different variations of the songs. I actually listen to Jeremey's (Frontiers band) version of Suzanne just as much as the original. Maybe it's because I was there, but damn I dig that version!!! It sounds to me like it's the way Perry would've sounded in 1981 rather than 1986.

jrnyman28 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

Add me to that list!
But it was only 12 years ago....

Me too, it's got THE BEST LIVE After The Fall!

Deb wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

Add me to that list!
But it was only 12 years ago....

Me too, it's got THE BEST LIVE After The Fall!

A bit too fast and sloppy for me, but I still love it. I think there's a Japanese version that is slowed down a bit more and showcases his emotive prowess.

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

ProRock, you're just damn and determined to sway us over, aren't you? BTW, what's 53 stand for?

annie89509 wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

ProRock, you're just damn and determined to sway us over, aren't you? BTW, what's 53 stand for?

maybe hes a fan of Herbie..

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

Prog, you need to be spanked! Let's see, you are 18....I'm 32 years older than you and old enough to be your mother. Nah, I'll give you a time-out instead...

no reason and makes absolutely no sense redoing these songs at this point.,

mistiejourney wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

Prog, you need to be spanked! Let's see, you are 18....I'm 32 years older than you and old enough to be your mother. Nah, I'll give you a time-out instead...

I'm 20 actually.

annie89509 wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

ProRock, you're just damn and determined to sway us over, aren't you? BTW, what's 53 stand for?

#53 was my number in football all the way from biddy league through high school. Unfortunately I had to switch to #79 in college, but #53 has been my "number" most of my life. Completely unrelated to football and all that, some of the guys I play poker with accuse me (jokingly, I hope ) of always slipping a 53rd card into the deck when needed to help, because I've had some outrageous good luck at the tables before.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

annie89509 wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

ProRock, you're just damn and determined to sway us over, aren't you? BTW, what's 53 stand for?

#53 was my number in football all the way from biddy league through high school. Unfortunately I had to switch to #79 in college, but #53 has been my "number" most of my life. Completely unrelated to football and all that, some of the guys I play poker with accuse me (jokingly, I hope ) of always slipping a 53rd card into the deck when needed to help, because I've had some outrageous good luck at the tables before.

Good story 53rd card, haha

Deb wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

Add me to that list!
But it was only 12 years ago....

Me too, it's got THE BEST LIVE After The Fall!

OOOh!!! My fave is definitely Still They Ride! I would give my left nut (if I had one, that is) to have been able to hear that live by the incomparable Steve Perry!!

As for the remakes, you can't improve on perfection, so why bother? Oh, wait a minute, I remember... to make a buck.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

mistiejourney wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

Prog, you need to be spanked! Let's see, you are 18....I'm 32 years older than you and old enough to be your mother. Nah, I'll give you a time-out instead...

I'm 20 actually.

Your 20? that figures mate. Your only a new fan. Well you see, re-recording the classics is fine for you, and some of the younger fans around here, who are new to Journey - but to me and some others, these classics hold a dear place in our hearts, and yes it won't hurt obviously, but why fix something when it's not broken? you see it's a mistake in my opinion. But I don't think we need to worry, as nothing has been released yet, if it ever will be.

And from JRNY's past track record, talking and doing have always been two separate issues! theres always a lot of talk of this and that, and so many times that's all it ever was. So! I will believe it when I see it! at this point, I am still not convinced because nothing has been proven yet. A few live shows, good, not great, obviously better if were there.

Someone over at the official site wrote this regarding the re-records and I really found it to be a great perspective:



"When the majority of us, the late-thirty to late-forty somethings, first heard and subsequently fell in love with the songs, now dubbed "classics', they became embedded in our psyche each with separate and distinct memories, meanings and relevancies. Those songs have been forever frozen in time via the media on which they are stored i.e., CD, DVD, LP, etc. We can re-experience those feelings at any time by simply inserting a disk and turning up the volume. They will always sound the way they did when we, the older generation of Journey fans, first heard them.

Fast forward 30 years................

As Journey segues into the next chapter of their voyage, their music will undoubtedly take on a new and different sound. This new sound will surely appeal to and attract new audiences and new generations of listeners. They too will attend Journey concerts at which the 'classics' will most assuredly be played. However, for the new fans, the classics won't sound the way they did the first time they heard and subsequently fell in love with them unless of course, they are able to hear them re-recorded by the current and hopefully last, Journey lead singer.

For all of us, we will never hear the classics performed by Steve Perry live ever again. Fact is he is not able to recreate the sound he once could. Thankfully, there is the wonderful thing I spoke of above called recordable media which has forever frozen in time the voice and the music that is the very soundtracks of our lives. So too, will this same type of media preserve the new sound as the new fans fall in love with these same timeless classics recorded and performed by their 'Steve Perry'.

We all benefit from the re-recording of the classics."

Deb wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

Add me to that list!
But it was only 12 years ago....

Me too, it's got THE BEST LIVE After The Fall!

Sorry but I meant add me to list that don't care for the album...

jrnyman28 wrote:

Deb wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

Add me to that list!
But it was only 12 years ago....

Me too, it's got THE BEST LIVE After The Fall!

Sorry but I meant add me to list that don't care for the album...

Ooops....

Saint John wrote:Someone over at the official site wrote this regarding the re-records and I really found it to be a great perspective:



"When the majority of us, the late-thirty to late-forty somethings, first heard and subsequently fell in love with the songs, now dubbed "classics', they became embedded in our psyche each with separate and distinct memories, meanings and relevancies. Those songs have been forever frozen in time via the media on which they are stored i.e., CD, DVD, LP, etc. We can re-experience those feelings at any time by simply inserting a disk and turning up the volume. They will always sound the way they did when we, the older generation of Journey fans, first heard them.

Fast forward 30 years................

As Journey segues into the next chapter of their voyage, their music will undoubtedly take on a new and different sound. This new sound will surely appeal to and attract new audiences and new generations of listeners. They too will attend Journey concerts at which the 'classics' will most assuredly be played. However, for the new fans, the classics won't sound the way they did the first time they heard and subsequently fell in love with them unless of course, they are able to hear them re-recorded by the current and hopefully last, Journey lead singer.

For all of us, we will never hear the classics performed by Steve Perry live ever again. Fact is he is not able to recreate the sound he once could. Thankfully, there is the wonderful thing I spoke of above called recordable media which has forever frozen in time the voice and the music that is the very soundtracks of our lives. So too, will this same type of media preserve the new sound as the new fans fall in love with these same timeless classics recorded and performed by their 'Steve Perry'.

We all benefit from the re-recording of the classics."

Sorry, I just don't agree with this perspective. And I almost know who among the Journey old guard at BT would write something like this. Why does there have to be another Steve Perry? There is only 1 Steve Perry. And there is 1 Arnel Pineda. Let him create his old classics.

And the often repeated assertion that Journey wants/needs to re-record the classics for the younger generation has been refuted here by a few of our younger fans (like ProRock, ClassicRock, some others).

Saint John wrote:Someone over at the official site wrote this regarding the re-records and I really found it to be a great perspective:



"When the majority of us, the late-thirty to late-forty somethings, first heard and subsequently fell in love with the songs, now dubbed "classics', they became embedded in our psyche each with separate and distinct memories, meanings and relevancies. Those songs have been forever frozen in time via the media on which they are stored i.e., CD, DVD, LP, etc. We can re-experience those feelings at any time by simply inserting a disk and turning up the volume. They will always sound the way they did when we, the older generation of Journey fans, first heard them.

Fast forward 30 years................

As Journey segues into the next chapter of their voyage, their music will undoubtedly take on a new and different sound. This new sound will surely appeal to and attract new audiences and new generations of listeners. They too will attend Journey concerts at which the 'classics' will most assuredly be played. However, for the new fans, the classics won't sound the way they did the first time they heard and subsequently fell in love with them unless of course, they are able to hear them re-recorded by the current and hopefully last, Journey lead singer.

For all of us, we will never hear the classics performed by Steve Perry live ever again. Fact is he is not able to recreate the sound he once could. Thankfully, there is the wonderful thing I spoke of above called recordable media which has forever frozen in time the voice and the music that is the very soundtracks of our lives. So too, will this same type of media preserve the new sound as the new fans fall in love with these same timeless classics recorded and performed by their 'Steve Perry'.

We all benefit from the re-recording of the classics."

Totally agree with this. I have seen Journey with SP and SA and look forward to Arnel. I have great memories of all the music from Infinity to Generations. Re- Recording the classics will do nothing to change my memories of the originals. In regards to the original post, I have every cover of Journey songs I can find and its just fun to listen to. To me this is just the same thing and its no big deal.

Thread back to life!

Few days back I downloaded the Vina Del Mar show MP3's (official one -atleast it looks like one) , sound is pretty good. Arnel doing DSB was quite magical. The way the audience participated and in particular the final 8 seconds (the crowd sings along rythmically i might add), gave me goosebumps. It really must have been something for the crowd who experienced it.

ProgRocker53 wrote:....So looking through all the album cuts, live versions, bootlegs, and covers I have of Journey songs on my iTunes....

I realize that I already have many different versions, of alot of the same songs.

....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

Being a young buck, you're living the period of life that I did when I experienced the memories and life moments associated with the Journey songs of the 70s and 80s. Power to you. Enjoy the "new" old stuff. Have good times with Arnel singing...be it partying, making out, listening to the lyrics..."when the summer's gone she'll be back...standing by the lieeight...." during a summer breakup...just to reunite with high school sweetheart...when the summer was gone, slow dancin' to Stay Awhile, new girlfriend (now wife) falling in love with Escape, studying for finals, cranking it up when seeking solace from another break up, whatever events that forever earmark times of your life. You will look back forever on these times and Journey will be a part of that.

Having said that...I had my "times" with Journey. If my kids got turned on to the Arnel-fronted Journey...I'd think that was great. I'd just as soon remember the good ol' days as they were.

I don't need to hear the new studioi versions. Live versions are a different animal to me. Again, that's just me.

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

scarygirl wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:....
....What will another disc filled with professionally recorded re-makes hurt? Other than the "legacy," nothing at all.

I say BRING ON THE REMAKES! Can never have enough Journey music!

you want some good remakes, just put on Greatest Hits Live!!! get in your car and drive fast!!

i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

I love that album!!!!

we are the minority on this one...

if i still had it .. i would cruise by to get you in my 82 Trans Am , take the T-Tops off , throw this cassette on and pick nic on a green meadow..

sip on some Black Velvet blended.. ..

......swing by, pick up a picnic table, head to the lake for some alone time................

annie89509 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Someone over at the official site wrote this regarding the re-records and I really found it to be a great perspective:



"When the majority of us, the late-thirty to late-forty somethings, first heard and subsequently fell in love with the songs, now dubbed "classics', they became embedded in our psyche each with separate and distinct memories, meanings and relevancies. Those songs have been forever frozen in time via the media on which they are stored i.e., CD, DVD, LP, etc. We can re-experience those feelings at any time by simply inserting a disk and turning up the volume. They will always sound the way they did when we, the older generation of Journey fans, first heard them.

Fast forward 30 years................

As Journey segues into the next chapter of their voyage, their music will undoubtedly take on a new and different sound. This new sound will surely appeal to and attract new audiences and new generations of listeners. They too will attend Journey concerts at which the 'classics' will most assuredly be played. However, for the new fans, the classics won't sound the way they did the first time they heard and subsequently fell in love with them unless of course, they are able to hear them re-recorded by the current and hopefully last, Journey lead singer.

For all of us, we will never hear the classics performed by Steve Perry live ever again. Fact is he is not able to recreate the sound he once could. Thankfully, there is the wonderful thing I spoke of above called recordable media which has forever frozen in time the voice and the music that is the very soundtracks of our lives. So too, will this same type of media preserve the new sound as the new fans fall in love with these same timeless classics recorded and performed by their 'Steve Perry'.

We all benefit from the re-recording of the classics."

Sorry, I just don't agree with this perspective. And I almost know who among the Journey old guard at BT would write something like this. Why does there have to be another Steve Perry? There is only 1 Steve Perry. And there is 1 Arnel Pineda. Let him create his old classics.

And the often repeated assertion that Journey wants/needs to re-record the classics for the younger generation has been refuted here by a few of our younger fans (like ProRock, ClassicRock, some others).

I respect your opinion and I understand the logic. However, Journey is going to play those songs in concert. The newer generation is being afforded the opportunity to have the voice they will associate those concert memories with on CD. That said, the members of Journey each performed with an "instrument" while originally creating those songs. Steve's "instrument" just happened to be his voice. Were he to decide to find another group of musicians and re-record those songs himself, I doubt the Schon, Valory, Cain and Rolie contingent would be here beating up the decision to replicate their "instruments" as much as is being done now. Steve's "instrument" is being replicated for a new generation by Journey...the band that originally, albeit with his help, created those songs. Those are Journey songs...not Steve Perry songs. The rightful owners are doing now what they were originally unable to do because of the strong arm and extortion tactics of an egotistical ex-member. When Perry had the band sign the paperwork not legally allowing them to re-record the hits, he put a date on there that he thought would see Journey long gone and retired. He failed to realize that not everyone is a quitter.

larryfromnextdoor wrote:you want some good remakes, just put on Greatest Hits Live!!! get in your car and drive fast!!

i know some dont care for that album much..(dean, andrew, red13) but i love it!!! 25 years ago!

No, I'm a BIG GH Live fan.

It's not quite the fist-pounding, put a baker's dozen-sized dent in a case while you listen live tour-de-force album that Captured is owing mainly to the ballads included but still good especially ATF.

i'm surprised they don't put out a captured 2 eventually with arnel.