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Something very organic. Lose the pianos and synths that he has had on most of his stuff. A lot of acoustic guitars and a very warm production. I am not really a Dixie Chicks fan however their album Home had some incredible feeling stuff. VERY organic recording and SO DAMN WARM and no drums the whole time but you would never know it. That type of production with his vocals... I would love to hear something like that from him.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Something very organic. Lose the pianos and synths that he has had on most of his stuff. A lot of acoustic guitars and a very warm production. I am not really a Dixie Chicks fan however their album Home had some incredible feeling stuff. VERY organic recording and SO DAMN WARM and no drums the whole time but you would never know it. That type of production with his vocals... I would love to hear something like that from him.

Not me...i'd love to hear songs along the lines of Lost Angels and Let Go. A couple of acoustic driven ballads would be cool too though. Now...if he'd just get off his lazy, broken hip, cat lovin' ass and make an album...we'd have something to talk about.

What's not organic about pianos? Synths, maybe, but pianos? Not organic? Blah. Besides, an album full of acoustic guitars and vocals gets boring real fast, regardless of whose voice is on there.

If he tours and it aint with Journey, I aint going. If he records and it aint with Journey, I aint buying it.

Liam wrote:Not me...i'd love to hear songs along the lines of Lost Angels and Let Go.

Me too!

Saint John wrote:If he tours and it aint with Journey, I aint going. If he records and it aint with Journey, I aint buying it.

Your loss! Besides, you expect anybody to believe that?

nah.. it will be a sappy ballad driven cd or remakes of his favorite inspirations. "Inspire, By Steve Perry"

Deb wrote:

Saint John wrote:If he tours and it aint with Journey, I aint going. If he records and it aint with Journey, I aint buying it.

Your loss! Besides, you expect anybody to believe that?

Believe it. Only way you see me at one of his shows is if it's something like an American Idol performance or similar. He tours without Journey and he won't see me there. I have no interest in hearing him tour minus those that helped make those songs so wonderful. And I still maintain that he'll never sit down with Neal and/or Jon. I mean...how could he look them in the eye after all that he's done?

but it would be a steve perry CD

Saint John wrote:

Deb wrote:

Saint John wrote:If he tours and it aint with Journey, I aint going. If he records and it aint with Journey, I aint buying it.

Your loss! Besides, you expect anybody to believe that?

Believe it. Only way you see me at one of his shows is if it's something like an American Idol performance or similar. He tours without Journey and he won't see me there. I have no interest in hearing him tour minus those that helped make those songs so wonderful. And I still maintain that he'll never sit down with Neal and/or Jon. I mean...how could he look them in the eye after all that he's done?

Lalalalalala! I can't hear you........ I tune out when you start talking gibberish.

Saint John wrote;
how could he look them (Cain/Schon) in the eye after all that he's done?

All that he's done?
By that I assume you mean co-wrote and sang on the songs that made them all a ton of money, the band a household name and the reason that Journey is still able to exist as a touring band.
That bastard!

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote;
how could he look them (Cain/Schon) in the eye after all that he's done?

All that he's done?
By that I assume you mean co-wrote and sang on the songs that made them all a ton of money, the band a household name and the reason that Journey is still able to exist as a touring band.
That bastard!

I'm talking about stalling the band in 83 because he was tired, but recording Street Talk in 84. I'm talking about him firing Valory and Smith in 86. I'm talking about him being "toast" later in 86, but recording "Against The Wall" in 87. I'm talking about him touring without his "brothers" in 93, but wanting back in when they tried to reform. I'm talking about him firing Herbie Herbert, the man that hand picked him and believed in him when no one else did. I'm talking about him recording an album that he never planned on touring to support (something Herbie Herbert said prior to "hipgate.") I'm talking about him making them sign gag orders to suppress the truth (all except Herbie ). I'm talking about him weaseling his way into "6th member" status and getting paid for the very job he refused to do. I'm talking about him mandating complete editorial control and turning "Journey Behind The Music" into "Steve Perry Behind The Music." That's what I'm talking about. All the shit you named is what employed band members are supposed to do. Your post was pure "Loon" diarrhea. Take that mindset, add some ice, the FTLOSM CD, throw it all in a blender and make yourself a shit smoothie.

I'm talking about stalling the band in 83 because he was tired, but recording Street Talk in 84.

Stalling the band? They just had wrapped up a marathon Frontiers tour, plus Schon had already done TWO solo albums by this time.

I'm talking about him firing Valory and Smith in 86.

Schon and Cain both admitted that they also allowed this to happen. Plus Perry also admitted that it was a mistake.

I'm talking about him being "toast" later in 86, but recording "Against The Wall" in 87.

Against the Wall was actually recorded in '88, but more importantly, being on the road for months on end and booking time in a recording studio are two completely different things.

I'm talking about him touring without his "brothers" in 93, but wanting back in when they tried to reform.

Again, this tour actually began in 1994, and Schon, Cain, Valory and Smith all had toured both as solo acts and with other bands by this point. Hell, the Storm featured 3 Journey members on the album and played Journey tunes during their live shows. How is that different from Perry wanting to play with different musicians.
Rollie left the band due to "burnout" as well, and guess what, he ended up playing music again with different musicians.

I'm talking about him firing Herbie Herbert, the man that hand picked him and believed in him when no one else did.

Herbie is a guy who wants to control EVERYTHING and obviously at this point in his career, Perry wanted to be in control of his own life. Again, the other members went along with this.

I'm talking about him recording an album that he never planned on touring to support (something Herbie Herbert said prior to "hipgate.")

Pure conjecture. Just because Herbie says something, does NOT make it true. As you just pointed out, Herbie wasn't even affiliated with the band at this time, so how would he really know. It is FACT that Perry underwent surgery to repair a damaged hip. Saying that he never planned to tour is your theory and not fact.

I'm talking about him making them sign gag orders to suppress the truth (all except Herbie ).

Yeah, why would someone want to keep their private life, private?

I'm talking about him weaseling his way into "6th member" status and getting paid for the very job he refused to do.

That's one way to look at it. Or you could look at it the way Neal Schon even pointed out, that Perry was gracious enough to sign off the band name and allow Journey to continue without him (which he didn't have to do).

I'm talking about him mandating complete editorial control and turning "Journey Behind The Music" into "Steve Perry Behind The Music."

Yeah, I'm sure that if it wasn't for Perry's meddling, the Behind the Music episode would have featured much more about George Tickners childhood upbringing and a where are they now segment with Robert Fleischman. That's what the public really wanted.

That's what I'm talking about. All the shit you named is what employed band members are supposed to do.

No other "employed band member" did those things that I mentioned for Journey until Perry came along. If what you're saying is true than Ross Valory, Steve Smith, Ansley Dunbar etc., weren't doing their jobs.

Your post was pure "Loon" diarhea. Take that mindset, add some ice, the FTLOSM CD, throw it all in a blender and make yourself a shit smoothie.

As long as FTLOSM is in there, I'm good!

Saint John wrote:If he tours and it aint with Journey, I aint going. If he records and it aint with Journey, I aint buying it.

I could care less if he or Journey tours any more. I just want NEW music. If I were Perry, I'd JUST record albums, do a behind the scenes dvd and call it good. The guy's voice is so fragile, why ruin it on the road singing songs that people've heard a gazillion times?

Saint John wrote:

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote;
how could he look them (Cain/Schon) in the eye after all that he's done?

All that he's done?
By that I assume you mean co-wrote and sang on the songs that made them all a ton of money, the band a household name and the reason that Journey is still able to exist as a touring band.
That bastard!

I'm talking about stalling the band in 83 because he was tired, but recording Street Talk in 84. I'm talking about him firing Valory and Smith in 86. I'm talking about him being "toast" later in 86, but recording "Against The Wall" in 87. I'm talking about him touring without his "brothers" in 93, but wanting back in when they tried to reform. I'm talking about him firing Herbie Herbert, the man that hand picked him and believed in him when no one else did. I'm talking about him recording an album that he never planned on touring to support (something Herbie Herbert said prior to "hipgate.") I'm talking about him making them sign gag orders to suppress the truth (all except Herbie ). I'm talking about him weaseling his way into "6th member" status and getting paid for the very job he refused to do. I'm talking about him mandating complete editorial control and turning "Journey Behind The Music" into "Steve Perry Behind The Music." That's what I'm talking about. .

Great points SJ. As much as I love Perry, people seem to conveniently forget the complete BS he pulled on Journey.

The moral of the story is that post 1986 the man had no intentions of ever touring with Journey and kept them out of the loop about that little tidbit of information. He took 12 valuable years away from the band, and that's something they can never get back. He made damn sure that the window of opportunity to change gears and switch singers was closed shut. How else could a man justify being in a band for 12 years without playing one live show? It's called selfishness, amigo. As for other Journey members doing side projects...they had to because the beaked one wouldn't work. They showed the ultimate patience and loyalty with him and were rewarded with nothing.

Did you say all you want to say?

That was a mouthful, better bust out your Internet Jeet Kune Do, the Perryists might want to try to inflict some pain.

Here learn from the master:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAeyUS9 ... re=related

ttango1 wrote:Did you say all you want to say?

That was a mouthful, better bust out your Internet Jeet Kune Do, the Perryists might want to try to inflict some pain.

Here learn from the master:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAeyUS9 ... re=related

I'm ready to debate something fierce. I'll be getting loaded tonight starting around 8 CDT and will be on MR intoxicated for the first time in almost 3 months. Look out.

I too will be hammered as I am watching the Cougs, but I have to say, we don't see eye to eye on this.

Perry is not the devil you make him out to be.


See you tonight butthole.

Rockindeano wrote:I too will be hammered as I am watching the Cougs, but I have to say, we don't see eye to eye on this.

Perry is not the devil you make him out to be.


See you tonight butthole.

I'll be watching CBB too. I'll leave Perry alone tonight. i have Herbert doing my dirty work this week.

Saint John wrote;
The moral of the story is that post 1986 the man had no intentions of ever touring with Journey and kept them out of the loop about that little tidbit of information. He took 12 valuable years away from the band, and that's something they can never get back. He made damn sure that the window of opportunity to change gears and switch singers was closed shut. How else could a man justify being in a band for 12 years without playing one live show? It's called selfishness, amigo. As for other Journey members doing side projects...they had to because the beaked one wouldn't work. They showed the ultimate patience and loyalty with him and were rewarded with nothing.

They did play one live show, the Bill Graham tribute. But the point is, that 12 year period that you're referring to (1987-1998), with the exception of the band getting back together in '96 for Trial By Fire, Journey was split up. None of the band members were checking their mail daily in 1988 wondering when the new tour schedules would get there. Journey effectively broke up in 87 and then reformed 10 years later for TBF. There was no Journey for 10 of those 12 years.

Also, your statement about other members having to do side projects only because Perry didn't wanna work doesn't wash either. During the Augeri era, Schon put the band on hold for the Planet US project, which he fully intended to record and tour behind, only Hagar bailed to get back with Halen for their ill-fated reunion. Then, Schon again started another side project (Soul Sirkus), and toured with them. Had Soul Sikus been more successful, he might still be doing that. All the while, his Journey bandmates WERE willing to work.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Schon wanting to play with other musicians, just that it can't be okay for him (and Rolie, etc.), but wrong when Perry does it.

Saint John wrote:

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote;
how could he look them (Cain/Schon) in the eye after all that he's done?

All that he's done?
By that I assume you mean co-wrote and sang on the songs that made them all a ton of money, the band a household name and the reason that Journey is still able to exist as a touring band.
That bastard!

I'm talking about stalling the band in 83 because he was tired, but recording Street Talk in 84. I'm talking about him firing Valory and Smith in 86. I'm talking about him being "toast" later in 86, but recording "Against The Wall" in 87. I'm talking about him touring without his "brothers" in 93, but wanting back in when they tried to reform. I'm talking about him firing Herbie Herbert, the man that hand picked him and believed in him when no one else did. I'm talking about him recording an album that he never planned on touring to support (something Herbie Herbert said prior to "hipgate.") I'm talking about him making them sign gag orders to suppress the truth (all except Herbie ). I'm talking about him weaseling his way into "6th member" status and getting paid for the very job he refused to do. I'm talking about him mandating complete editorial control and turning "Journey Behind The Music" into "Steve Perry Behind The Music." That's what I'm talking about. All the shit you named is what employed band members are supposed to do. Your post was pure "Loon" diarrhea. Take that mindset, add some ice, the FTLOSM CD, throw it all in a blender and make yourself a shit smoothie.

Cant argue with any of that ! Hehe, and thats what we know. Imagine what we dont know..

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote;
The moral of the story is that post 1986 the man had no intentions of ever touring with Journey and kept them out of the loop about that little tidbit of information. He took 12 valuable years away from the band, and that's something they can never get back. He made damn sure that the window of opportunity to change gears and switch singers was closed shut. How else could a man justify being in a band for 12 years without playing one live show? It's called selfishness, amigo. As for other Journey members doing side projects...they had to because the beaked one wouldn't work. They showed the ultimate patience and loyalty with him and were rewarded with nothing.

They did play one live show, the Bill Graham tribute. But the point is, that 12 year period that you're referring to (1987-1998), with the exception of the band getting back together in '96 for Trial By Fire, Journey was split up. None of the band members were checking their mail daily in 1988 wondering when the new tour schedules would get there. Journey effectively broke up in 87 and then reformed 10 years later for TBF. There was no Journey for 10 of those 12 years.

Also, your statement about other members having to do side projects only because Perry didn't wanna work doesn't wash either. During the Augeri era, Schon put the band on hold for the Planet US project, which he fully intended to record and tour behind, only Hagar bailed to get back with Halen for their ill-fated reunion. Then, Schon again started another side project (Soul Sirkus), and toured with them. Had Soul Sikus been more successful, he might still be doing that. All the while, his Journey bandmates WERE willing to work.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Schon wanting to play with other musicians, just that it can't be okay for him (and Rolie, etc.), but wrong when Perry does it.

Ah yes, the Bill Graham Tribute...when Steve Perry seemed disoriented and/or drunk and butchered the words to Faithfully. Thanks for bringing that up!!! Schon sidelined a band playing virtually the same songs, Perry sidelined an organic band that could have recorded. Schon, contrary to popular belief, was ready for new music and artistic creation over the almighty dollar when he chose PlanetUs over Journey. Soul Sirkus and the garbage they put out seemed like a way for him to take a vacation from Journey. I doubt he really thought they were any good...they weren't. I'm dying to know this: Do you think it was all a coincidence that Perry wanted back in Journey after all of those years when they had a new lineup set? Additionally, do you think he ever planned on touring? Lastly, do you, like me, think that in order to fuck Journey as hard as possible, he made them fire Herbert before he walked away because he knew Herbie would've had the balls to immediately reorganize the band and move forward...something Azoff, with his stable of acts, wouldn't?

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Something very organic. Lose the pianos and synths that he has had on most of his stuff. A lot of acoustic guitars and a very warm production. I am not really a Dixie Chicks fan however their album Home had some incredible feeling stuff. VERY organic recording and SO DAMN WARM and no drums the whole time but you would never know it. That type of production with his vocals... I would love to hear something like that from him.

Totally agree. "Can't let you go" leaned that way (but in a jazz vein). "Liberty" did likewise, but in a pop/rock vein. Great stuff.

Saint John wrote;
Ah yes, the Bill Graham Tribute...when Steve Perry seemed disoriented and/or drunk and butchered the words to Faithfully. Thanks for bringing that up!!! Schon sidelined a band playing virtually the same songs, Perry sidelined an organic band that could have recorded. Schon, contrary to popular belief, was ready for new music and artistic creation over the almighty dollar when he chose PlanetUs over Journey.

If you really feel that Perry had become "disoriented" and was "butchering" songs, then why are you complaining that he wasn't touring and recording with Journey? You can't have it both ways.

Don't tell me that Schon wasn't looking at Planet US as a possible supergroup that could generate more cash than an Augeri led Journey was making. He was hooking up with high profile names (Hagar, Anthony, possibly Slash and Satriani) and hoping to make a go of it. Either way, Perry could have called the guys to get Journey back together BEFORE recording and touring with FTLOSM. If he played the same amount of shows with Journey that he did with his solo band, he would have made WAY more money. Obviously, "the almighty dollar" wasn't his driving force either.

Man, if only Planet US worked out.... If only....

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him firing Valory and Smith in 86.

Schon and Cain both admitted that they also allowed this to happen. Plus Perry also admitted that it was a mistake.

Doesn't change the fact that Perry did it.

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him being "toast" later in 86, but recording "Against The Wall" in 87.

Against the Wall was actually recorded in '88, but more importantly, being on the road for months on end and booking time in a recording studio are two completely different things.

Still shows that Perry was not as toast as he led on. Without the internet it appeared that Perry was toast until 1993. Recording a CD (which usually implies touring it later) is not "toast".

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him firing Herbie Herbert, the man that hand picked him and believed in him when no one else did.

Herbie is a guy who wants to control EVERYTHING and obviously at this point in his career, Perry wanted to be in control of his own life. Again, the other members went along with this.

Perry ended up controlling the lives of every one IN Journey. Herbie JOB was to control the band in every aspect except the music.

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him recording an album that he never planned on touring to support (something Herbie Herbert said prior to "hipgate.")

Pure conjecture. Just because Herbie says something, does NOT make it true. As you just pointed out, Herbie wasn't even affiliated with the band at this time, so how would he really know. It is FACT that Perry underwent surgery to repair a damaged hip. Saying that he never planned to tour is your theory and not fact.

Where is the proof of the surgery. You say it is FACT. But you are only basing it on heresay. Have you heard the story about Perry bursting into a recording studio shortly after his "surgery" with no cane, no limp, no nothing. More heresay on the opposite end.

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him making them sign gag orders to suppress the truth (all except Herbie ).

Yeah, why would someone want to keep their private life, private?

But he supressed everyone else's "life" as well. And it was not "private life" it was "professional" life.

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him weaseling his way into "6th member" status and getting paid for the very job he refused to do.

That's one way to look at it. Or you could look at it the way Neal Schon even pointed out, that Perry was gracious enough to sign off the band name and allow Journey to continue without him (which he didn't have to do).

No, he didn't have to "let them go on" but he also didn't have to get in their way and demand so much either. I am thankful he did let them continue and am thankful he didn't hold them up in court. But he was far from "gracious".

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote:I'm talking about him mandating complete editorial control and turning "Journey Behind The Music" into "Steve Perry Behind The Music."

Yeah, I'm sure that if it wasn't for Perry's meddling, the Behind the Music episode would have featured much more about George Tickners childhood upbringing and a where are they now segment with Robert Fleischman. That's what the public really wanted.

No. But fair and balanced commentary might have been nice.

No wonder Steve Perry doesn't read the internet.

I fear a lot of bad is going to come from this interview.

Johnny Mohawk wrote:

Saint John wrote;
Ah yes, the Bill Graham Tribute...when Steve Perry seemed disoriented and/or drunk and butchered the words to Faithfully. Thanks for bringing that up!!! Schon sidelined a band playing virtually the same songs, Perry sidelined an organic band that could have recorded. Schon, contrary to popular belief, was ready for new music and artistic creation over the almighty dollar when he chose PlanetUs over Journey.

If you really feel that Perry had become "disoriented" and was "butchering" songs, then why are you complaining that he wasn't touring and recording with Journey? You can't have it both ways.

Don't tell me that Schon wasn't looking at Planet US as a possible supergroup that could generate more cash than an Augeri led Journey was making. He was hooking up with high profile names (Hagar, Anthony, possibly Slash and Satriani) and hoping to make a go of it. Either way, Perry could have called the guys to get Journey back together BEFORE recording and touring with FTLOSM. If he played the same amount of shows with Journey that he did with his solo band, he would have made WAY more money. Obviously, "the almighty dollar" wasn't his driving force either.

I was merely pointing out that it seemed as though Perry was disoriented on that day. He "butchered" the songs on that day. That's one helluva swan song to remember him by, though!!! I'm "complaining" that he didn't let Journey move on. As for Perry touring with the Flopsome crew, my guess is that that was a big "Fuck You, not only did I make you guys wait 8 years for me to record and tour, but now I'm doing it with someone else!!!" I believe he really thought that awful snoozefest that took him 3 years to record was actually a) good, and b) going to sell. Wrong on both counts!!! To him, I bet that was priceless. I only fault Journey for believing him when he said he was ready to return to Journey as a full-time member. Herbie knew this. Herbie read right through all of the smoke and mirrors and bullshit and tried to warn them. And what did that lead to? It led to Perry playing his vocal trump card and making Cain walk the plank and make the call to fire Herbert. And you guys wonder where Schon and Cain learned how to make Augeri walk the plank. Shit, they learned from the best!!!!