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I heard a report on the news that the conductor of Pavarotti's final performance says that Pavarotti lip-synched his final live performance because he was too ill to sing.

God bless him. He performed one final time for the fans. I have no issues with this.

Saint John wrote:God bless him. He performed one final time for the fans. I have no issues with this.

I don't have anything to bitch about with it either. I think a lot of people would be shocked to find out how many singers have been lip-synching over the years.

No way.

Lip syncing should be a misdemeanor. Listen to Herbie. He even said there was a class action lawsuit in Cincinnati with a well known band. You cannot charge a person without stating on the ticket, "This is a lipped show. Bend over, grab your ankles and take it like a bitch."

I don't care who it is. If it was BA, or my man Bruce, and they lipped, I would fire up the blog in a nansecond.

He was just trying to be like Britney.

NealIsGod wrote:He was just trying to be like Britney.

I doubt that-I heard he was wearing underwear.

Natalie wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:He was just trying to be like Britney.

I doubt that-I heard he was wearing underwear.

Journey/Survivor wrote:I heard a report on the news that the conductor of Pavarotti's final performance says that Pavarotti lip-synched his final live performance because he was too ill to sing.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMdn ... gD8VTD9O00

Not only did he lip sync, the orchestra PANTOMIMED as well.

With all due respect to HH & Deano's opinion as to what constitutes a fraudulent performance, I submit that more people complain about a vocalist having a bad throat, or a guitar player being trashed than ever do about the possibility of there being some "help" in the vocals or the rythym guitar part mysteriuously flying in during a guitar solo. BTW, NS can pre -record the part WHILE ONSTAGE and fly it back in himself . It's called "looping" and he's a fucking GOD at layering parts in such a way that you're thinking "WTF?" Before he's finished, and then all of a sudden it all comes together on the down beat and WHAM, you've got another NS composition. I still have hours of cassettes of him doing that. It's great road trip music... but I digress....
I believe HH underscores his organic origins insofar as music and it's artistic integrity is concerned by his position. This position was formed when people could actually play their instruments, a turntable was something that never left the living room much less be considered an instrument. Ironically enough, it's the very technology HH, Bill Graham et al developed as "they" developed what we all know as the Live Concert, that gives rise to his irritation.
U2 does a good job of raising the live band performance bar, but I know Bono's accompanied himself to a track of himself as far back as Joshua Tree, so there you go. Not the whole damn thing, but still, 'in for a penny, in for a pound.'
I think a catch all disclaimer like "Some portions of tonight's performance may be pre-recorded..." pretty much quiets the litigious.
The way I see it is if you're using a sequencer to replicate parts, you're in for that penny I talked about. When you get groups using a turntable as part of their act (Linkin' Park, Kid Rock, etc.), then that arguement is out the window.
As far as Pavarotti is concerned, he sang his last performance to tape and that's what the audience heard.
Then he got out there and PERFORMED it onstage.
Then he died.
There will be no big comeback performance to compare to.

Saint John wrote:God bless him. He performed one final time for the fans.

AND he performed one final time for the 24-year-old in his bed.

God bless him, indeed.

Pavarotti gets a pass in my book. the man's a legend. if he was too ill to sing live at his last performance so be it. he gave it a final go and i'm sure those in attendance were grateful to see him.

now..... the britneys of today are basically talentless in comparison. if they can not sing live they should stay the hell off the stage or else let the audience know they will be lipping. same goes for journey's bs game.... maybe in a pinch as a last resort for a one time only, but to tour knowing you are deceiving your fans? no, not cool and i'd love to get my ticket money back still pisses me off!!!

Lula wrote:Pavarotti gets a pass in my book. the man's a legend.

Bullshit. Steve Perry is a legend. Bruce is a legend. Elvis is/was a legend. Those guys aren't out there lippin. The day Steve Perry lips is the day life ends for us all. He would never even consider doing that. Bruce would never think of that option. Some just have higher character than others.

Rockindeano wrote:

Lula wrote:Pavarotti gets a pass in my book. the man's a legend.

Bullshit. Steve Perry is a legend. Bruce is a legend. Elvis is/was a legend. Those guys aren't out there lippin. The day Steve Perry lips is the day life ends for us all. He would never even consider doing that. Bruce would never think of that option. Some just have higher character than others.

Gotta say I disagree here. The man was ill. He and his voice were rare. That fans wanted to see him one last time would be something he would want to provide. Can you honestly tell me you've never bent rules to serve a purpose? I think not. Were he doing it at every show things would be different. That he was human enough to put on a front at the end of a career that was by most accounts extraordinary seems a reasonable thing. You may think it lying and self serving...and perhaps it is. I think it makes him human and I highly doubt anyone under the circumstances wouldn't have done the same damned thing.

It is far too easy to cry foul and armchair quarterback. Far too easy to say what someone else would do in the position. Reality is a whole different matter.

I can honestly tell you I bend the rules everyday! However, I am not a rock star either or a performer. It's wrong, simple as that.

So if someone is sick and is broke, is it ok for him or her to steal medicine out of the local Walgreens?

Rockindeano wrote:I can honestly tell you I bend the rules everyday! However, I am not a rock star either or a performer. It's wrong, simple as that.

So if someone is sick and is broke, is it ok for him or her to steal medicine out of the local Walgreens?

Wow. Must be nice to live in a world where everything is so black and white. Being a performer does not make anyone immune from being human. It would be an ideal world where performers could perform live all the time.

I think asking me if someone being sick and stealing is a bit wrong...I'll not elaborate there.

Telling your child there is a Santa and an Easter Bunny is lying...and yet...we all do it. Why? Because we believe it is for the greater good of the child to do so. I'd believe that to be the case here.

Were you to be faced with dying and had the chance to have an audience one more time...I'd be hard pressed to believe most entertainers wouldn'd go for it. It is an egocentric business. That you don't like that doesn't make it any less valid and any different than decisions we make in our day to day lives. Which...being quite candid here is what his day to day life was. Performing. The only difference is we somehow seem to think that that should somehow hold them to a higher standard.

I hate that you're smart Liz. Ease up on me please?

Seriously though Liz, I do see the world as black and white. Those performers make VERY good coin. There is a reason for that. They are talented. More talented than us here, that's why we don't pull down seven figures a year. That argument and that equation has to be factored into this. The fact that he "faked" his art, faked his "talent" speaks volumes to me.

Rockindeano wrote:Seriously though Liz, I do see the world as black and white. Those performers make VERY good coin. There is a reason for that. They are talented. More talented than us here, that's why we don't pull down seven figures a year. That argument and that equation has to be factored into this. The fact that he "faked" his art, faked his "talent" speaks volumes to me.

It only speaks to what you wish it to. Yes they are talented. Everyone excels at certain things. Society places greater importance on those who entertain. It's a misguided belief that because someone can sing, act, throw a football, hit a baseball...you get my drift that that should give them greater benefit and greater scorn than the rest of us. I admire art greatly. I also understand that the world is NOT black and white. To see it in that manner is to limit ones self. My ability to do my job I'm told is quite strong. Does that make me somehow exalted or less prone to being human and having human needs? Hardly.

I agree that it would have been better that he were able to sing his last concert. I don't think it speaks to his character other than to suggest that he wanted one more night of applause and perhaps to not let down his audience. I'm sure some will feel somehow cheated to discover he lip synched...but for most...I'd bet that because we seem to place him (and nearly everyone else in the entertainment industry) on such a pedestal...they will carry with them the idea they saw him the last time he performed. All depends on what an individual values.

Oh and the name's Sadie here. I prefer it that way thankyouverymuch.

Pavorotti is still tops in my book. He still wanted to perform for his fans one final time and to do that while so ill is just amazing. That's dedication.

My step-mother, Georgine Resick, sang with him numerous times in opera houses all over Europe.

He was one of the kindest, most sincere gentlemen with whom I have ever spent time. As a seven year old running around the Cologne opera house, I stumbled across him warming up in his dressing room before a performance of Die Fledermaus. He hadn't met me yet, and had no idea who I was, yet he took time to help me get back to my parents, and then took me on a tour of the stage and introduced me to his fellow performers (most of whom I already knew). A couple of weeks later, he took the ENTIRE cast out for dinner after the final performance - at an exotic restaurant. He footed the entire bill, bounced little kids on his knees, told stories, and signed autographs well into the night.

That is all I have to say about that.

7 Wishes wrote:My step-mother, Georgine Resick, sang with him numerous times in opera houses all over Europe.

He was one of the kindest, most sincere gentlemen with whom I have ever spent time. As a seven year old running around the Cologne opera house, I stumbled across him warming up in his dressing room before a performance of Die Fledermaus. He hadn't met me yet, and had no idea who I was, yet he took time to help me get back to my parents, and then took me on a tour of the stage and introduced me to his fellow performers (most of whom I already knew). A couple of weeks later, he took the ENTIRE cast out for dinner after the final performance - at an exotic restaurant. He footed the entire bill, bounced little kids on his knees, told stories, and signed autographs well into the night.

That is all I have to say about that.

Wow - lucky you. I saw him twice in concert and was in complete awe both times. My only regret that was I couldn't afford closer seats .

Natalie wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:He was just trying to be like Britney.

I doubt that-I heard he was wearing underwear.

& he wasn't opening his legs so we could see his tonsils!

Rockindeano wrote:I can honestly tell you I bend the rules everyday! However, I am not a rock star either or a performer. It's wrong, simple as that.

So if someone is sick and is broke, is it ok for him or her to steal medicine out of the local Walgreens?

The line between right & wrong is wider than a mile
but the need for human compassion is what makes us more than the rules we compile

7 Wishes wrote:My step-mother, Georgine Resick, sang with him numerous times in opera houses all over Europe.

He was one of the kindest, most sincere gentlemen with whom I have ever spent time. As a seven year old running around the Cologne opera house, I stumbled across him warming up in his dressing room before a performance of Die Fledermaus. He hadn't met me yet, and had no idea who I was, yet he took time to help me get back to my parents, and then took me on a tour of the stage and introduced me to his fellow performers (most of whom I already knew). A couple of weeks later, he took the ENTIRE cast out for dinner after the final performance - at an exotic restaurant. He footed the entire bill, bounced little kids on his knees, told stories, and signed autographs well into the night.

That is all I have to say about that.

Wow, Daniel! Georgine Resick is your stepmother?...She has an amazingly beautiful voice!

Pavarotti gets a pass here too, sorry to say. R.I.P. good sir.

Blueskies wrote:That is all I have to say about that.

Wow, Daniel! Georgine Resick is your stepmother?...She has an amazingly beautiful voice! [/quote]

Cool that you've heard of her. She currently directs the Opera programme at Notre Dame University, and is still recording and performing concerts. She is the mother of my half-brother and half-sister.

Lipping is Lipping,you either did it of not,There are reasons,{as noble as they might be} Augeri got burned; Friga lipped also} Why should Pavorotti get away with it also?

Frankly I don't think this should have even been brought up, Just my 2 cents

7 Wishes wrote:

Blueskies wrote:That is all I have to say about that.

Wow, Daniel! Georgine Resick is your stepmother?...She has an amazingly beautiful voice!

Cool that you've heard of her. She currently directs the Opera programme at Notre Dame University, and is still recording and performing concerts. She is the mother of my half-brother and half-sister.[/quote]


Yes, not in person, but I've heard her on CD....I can't remember the whole title...was it Visions something?

7 Wishes wrote:

Blueskies wrote:That is all I have to say about that.

Wow, Daniel! Georgine Resick is your stepmother?...She has an amazingly beautiful voice!

Cool that you've heard of her. She currently directs the Opera programme at Notre Dame University, and is still recording and performing concerts. She is the mother of my half-brother and half-sister.[/quote]


A great voice. Anyone who spends even a little amount of time listening to Opera comes across Georgine Resick. I have a DVD of her playing the role of Susanna in my favorite opera Le Nozze di Figaro. Brilliant stuff.

As far as Pavarotti is concerned - Because I live close, I have the pleasure of going to watch the Singer of the World competiton in Cardiff Wales every other year. There's a ton of amazing new talent around, and alot of the stars (not only the tenors) point to him as the inspiration for their fledgling opera careers. Considering all that he's done for music, I think we can give the man a pass for his last performance!

7 Wishes wrote:My step-mother, Georgine Resick, sang with him numerous times in opera houses all over Europe.

He was one of the kindest, most sincere gentlemen with whom I have ever spent time. As a seven year old running around the Cologne opera house, I stumbled across him warming up in his dressing room before a performance of Die Fledermaus. He hadn't met me yet, and had no idea who I was, yet he took time to help me get back to my parents, and then took me on a tour of the stage and introduced me to his fellow performers (most of whom I already knew). A couple of weeks later, he took the ENTIRE cast out for dinner after the final performance - at an exotic restaurant. He footed the entire bill, bounced little kids on his knees, told stories, and signed autographs well into the night.

That is all I have to say about that.

Should serve as an example to us all. That is 'grace' personified.