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Hearing these longer clips really makes a difference in how I feel about the tunes. Man Arnel's voice reminds me of Perry during the Frontiers Era as do some of the songs. IMHO this is their best work since Frontiers. I was one of those that didnt like ROR at all. Oh two songs off of it and you know which two....

Digging the new sound... Or the old new sound. Or the new old sound... Yeah...

Thank you! These sound great!! Now I'm going to delete them and not listen to ANY MORE until June 3rd!

Liquid_Drummer wrote:IMHO this is their best work since Frontiers.

So you can tell this based on samples, huh?

Yes I think so. From what I heard it would take quite a clusterfuck to ruin the feel. In the longer clips I get a stronger sense of the feel of the song and I dig it big time as well as Arnel's voice.... PLus we have heard two of them entirely and both are great tunes even if one of them is derived from BGTY. I have not liked anything they have put out since TBF. I could not stand Augeri because I felt more like I was listening to the singer from Air Supply than Journey.. No Balls. Oh I did like Remember Me and Faith in the Heartland and I shit you not that those are the only two songs I liked from the entire Augeri era. Didnt like ROR either.

When I 1st heard the clip of Sunshower I said to myself "That is going to be a great tune." After hearing more of it I like it even more... I am trying to be objective and unbiased and it is possible that the final product may not impress me however I am expecting to be impressed by most of it...

Cool thanks! Where did you get these?

There were two sets of clips released and it looks like they were concurrent. Someone stitched them together and increased the volume during the fade out of the 1st clip to make it seamless. If you listen you can hear where they were stitched together... At 1st I was thinking LEAK !!! Which will happen I bet...

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NealIsGod wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:IMHO this is their best work since Frontiers.

So you can tell this based on samples, huh?

The same way that others can SOMEHOW tell that AP isn't the right choice based on youtube clips?

Sounds logical eh?

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yulog wrote:Whats this? Megaupload is now using Adult friendfinder pop ups when you try to download.

Good news for you, no???

yulog wrote:Whats this? Megaupload is now using Adult friendfinder pop ups when you try to download.

Hey, everyone can use a friend... LD, thanks for posting these!

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Yes I think so. From what I heard it would take quite a clusterfuck to ruin the feel. In the longer clips I get a stronger sense of the feel of the song and I dig it big time as well as Arnel's voice.... PLus we have heard two of them entirely and both are great tunes even if one of them is derived from BGTY. I have not liked anything they have put out since TBF. I could not stand Augeri because I felt more like I was listening to the singer from Air Supply than Journey.. No Balls. Oh I did like Remember Me and Faith in the Heartland and I shit you not that those are the only two songs I liked from the entire Augeri era. Didnt like ROR either.

When I 1st heard the clip of Sunshower I said to myself "That is going to be a great tune." After hearing more of it I like it even more... I am trying to be objective and unbiased and it is possible that the final product may not impress me however I am expecting to be impressed by most of it...

My opinion mirrors most of your own. Remember Me, Faith in the Heartland are a couple of tracks I like enough, but Augeri was always the pits for me. He just doesn't have the vocal talent to hang with Neal and Jon. Arnel is a much, much better choice. From hearing the re-record of FITH, I like it better with Arnel. This reworked version now has an "only the young" vibe while not being derivative (unlike NWA to BGTY which is practically a knockoff).

Where we differ is on ROR. There's a number of tracks in there that I love. Perry really laid down the emotional vocal hammer on them. However, I absolutely believe I'd love those same songs much much more with Ross's understated bass and Smitty's drumming in there. Journey was always about a group, not just a guy. Chemistry is so hard to find when artists collaborate and Journey really had it all across 5 different guys.

From these clips, I think the same thing holds true about Revelation as well. Dean's drumming is pretty weak. He's just not the artist Smitty is and that is now the weak creative link in the band. No place near detrimental as Augeri on vocals, but still it has a subtext affect on the overall song quality.

Overall I'm pretty excited by what I'm hearing. I think there's going to be more songs I'll like than dislike on this release. Arnel was definitely a wise choice.

Thanks for posting the extended clips.

Great clips, thanks.

STORY_TELLER wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Yes I think so. From what I heard it would take quite a clusterfuck to ruin the feel. In the longer clips I get a stronger sense of the feel of the song and I dig it big time as well as Arnel's voice.... PLus we have heard two of them entirely and both are great tunes even if one of them is derived from BGTY. I have not liked anything they have put out since TBF. I could not stand Augeri because I felt more like I was listening to the singer from Air Supply than Journey.. No Balls. Oh I did like Remember Me and Faith in the Heartland and I shit you not that those are the only two songs I liked from the entire Augeri era. Didnt like ROR either.

When I 1st heard the clip of Sunshower I said to myself "That is going to be a great tune." After hearing more of it I like it even more... I am trying to be objective and unbiased and it is possible that the final product may not impress me however I am expecting to be impressed by most of it...

My opinion mirrors most of your own. Remember Me, Faith in the Heartland are a couple of tracks I like enough, but Augeri was always the pits for me. He just doesn't have the vocal talent to hang with Neal and Jon. Arnel is a much, much better choice. From hearing the re-record of FITH, I like it better with Arnel. This reworked version now has an "only the young" vibe while not being derivative (unlike NWA to BGTY which is practically a knockoff).

Where we differ is on ROR. There's a number of tracks in there that I love. Perry really laid down the emotional vocal hammer on them. However, I absolutely believe I'd love those same songs much much more with Ross's understated bass and Smitty's drumming in there. Journey was always about a group, not just a guy. Chemistry is so hard to find when artists collaborate and Journey really had it all across 5 different guys.

From these clips, I think the same thing holds true about Revelation as well. Dean's drumming is pretty weak. He's just not the artist Smitty is and that is now the weak creative link in the band. No place near detrimental as Augeri on vocals, but still it has a subtext affect on the overall song quality.

Overall I'm pretty excited by what I'm hearing. I think there's going to be more songs I'll like than dislike on this release. Arnel was definitely a wise choice.

Thanks for posting the extended clips.

Definitely on Deen. Smith had the best drum parts and Deen just kind of powers through it with drums that never seem to get recorded well. I HATE his snare in a big way. Too thin. I remember seeing Bad English live and his drum sound just annoyed me. Great drummer, but his kit just sounds like a toy compared to Smith's recordings.

ROR could've been great, but many of Cain's keyboard sounds just dated that material so much. I listen to that album, but it doesn't seem to hold up as much as others. Having said that, ROR (the song) is one of my all time favorite Journey tracks. I like the homage to the old stuff. Other songs like "I'll Be Alright Without You" sounded more like Street Talk. Decent song, but NOT Journey to me.
Girl Can't Help It
Why Can't this Night Go On Forever
Be Good To Yourself
ROR
Eyes of a Woman
and Happy to Give
are great Journey tracks. The others, sound like Perry solo stuff.

Arnel so far is a great choice for the band. We'll have to see how he holds up. I hope to God he doesn't gain more rasp after touring.

brywool wrote:Arnel so far is a great choice for the band. We'll have to see how he holds up. I hope to God he doesn't gain more rasp after touring.

I'm concerned about him flat out losing it. He said in a recent interview that his chords locked up on him during his 3rd performance. Scary shit. Arnel isn't naturally as high a tenor as Perry is and when he sings the catalogue, it sounds like he's singing on the upper end of his range a lot. That can burn him out pretty quick. Hopefully he's being careful.

Man there is no doubt that Steve Smith is one of the best drummers alive today however......

Deen's drumming on what I have hear so far is rock solid, groves well and most importantly "serves the song". Everyone has their own opinions and what I do agree with is the drum sound. These low-fi versions we are hearing could be hurting the depth of the drums so we should consider that but I will say that I have not liked ANY of the drum sounds on any of the Deen albums but I love his playing. As a drummer of 25 years (and a hard to impress one at that) it gets my nod.

I think they will sound way better on the final but you can rest assured that it wont touch the drum sound on TBF which even by todays standards was KILLER. I have to say that after playing some recent Sonar kits that they sound WAY better than the DW stuff like what DEEN uses and DW drums are awesome.

Smitty uses coated heads (white almost sand paper texture) which have a much warmer sound with the initial hit having less of a smacking sound and I think that suits most of the music better than the clear brighter heads that Deen uses.

STORY_TELLER wrote:

brywool wrote:Arnel so far is a great choice for the band. We'll have to see how he holds up. I hope to God he doesn't gain more rasp after touring.

I'm concerned about him flat out losing it. He said in a recent interview that his chords locked up on him during his 3rd performance. Scary shit. Arnel isn't naturally as high a tenor as Perry is and when he sings the catalogue, it sounds like he's singing on the upper end of his range a lot. That can burn him out pretty quick. Hopefully he's being careful.

He's been singing a long time. Stuff happens to singers. Occupational hazard someone else has said. Just like a pitcher can throw out his arm, a singer can over extend. Losing one's voice doesn't automatically mean "Hey, you're done for the rest of your life". Many singers have lost their voices at a gig. Robin Zander did on the vinyl version of At Budokan. You don't hear it on the CD, but on vinyl, he totally does near the end of the show. McCartney during the Wings Over America tour was VERY rough. Arnel sounds as naturally high to me as Perry. He doesn't sound like he's straining to me. Jss was straining. Augeri also did. Arnel sounds much more natural to me singing in that range than either of the others. There was also an article where doctors told him he'd never sing again after he damaged his chords and he proved them wrong with 6 months of rest and therapy. I'm not worried about him completely losing it. I'm just worried about it being chipped away slowly.

The tour starts a month from tomorrow. I will be watching the reviews closely.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Man there is no doubt that Steve Smith is one of the best drummers alive today however......

Deen's drumming on what I have hear so far is rock solid, groves well and most importantly "serves the song". Everyone has their own opinions and what I do agree with is the drum sound. These low-fi versions we are hearing could be hurting the depth of the drums so we should consider that but I will say that I have not liked ANY of the drum sounds on any of the Deen albums but I love his playing. As a drummer of 25 years (and a hard to impress one at that) it gets my nod.

I think they will sound way better on the final but you can rest assured that it wont touch the drum sound on TBF which even by todays standards was KILLER. I have to say that after playing some recent Sonar kits that they sound WAY better than the DW stuff like what DEEN uses and DW drums are awesome.

Smitty uses coated heads (white almost sand paper texture) which have a much warmer sound with the initial hit having less of a smacking sound and I think that suits most of the music better than the clear brighter heads that Deen uses.

I'm talking less technical and more artistic. It's not the drum but the guy hitting it. Smitty has an artistic character to his playing. More importantly, his choices fit the song he plays. Dean does a real solid job of aping Smitty's chops on tour, but when it comes to originating his own chops, might as well be a drum machine at work. He's just a one trick pony. Thankfully, he has that voice to make up for what he lacks as drummer (imo).

brywool wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:

brywool wrote:Arnel so far is a great choice for the band. We'll have to see how he holds up. I hope to God he doesn't gain more rasp after touring.

I'm concerned about him flat out losing it. He said in a recent interview that his chords locked up on him during his 3rd performance. Scary shit. Arnel isn't naturally as high a tenor as Perry is and when he sings the catalogue, it sounds like he's singing on the upper end of his range a lot. That can burn him out pretty quick. Hopefully he's being careful.

He's been singing a long time. Stuff happens to singers. Occupational hazard someone else has said. Just like a pitcher can throw out his arm, a singer can over extend. Losing one's voice doesn't automatically mean "Hey, you're done for the rest of your life". Many singers have lost their voices at a gig. Robin Zander did on the vinyl version of At Budokan. You don't hear it on the CD, but on vinyl, he totally does near the end of the show. McCartney during the Wings Over America tour was VERY rough. Arnel sounds as naturally high to me as Perry. He doesn't sound like he's straining to me. Jss was straining. Augeri also did. Arnel sounds much more natural to me singing in that range than either of the others. There was also an article where doctors told him he'd never sing again after he damaged his chords and he proved them wrong with 6 months of rest and therapy. I'm not worried about him completely losing it. I'm just worried about it being chipped away slowly.

The tour starts a month from tomorrow. I will be watching the reviews closely.

To me, Arnel sounds like he's just a notch under Perry's tenor. Still a tenor, but not quite as high. Augeri sounded like he was just as high a tenor, but his vocal chords lack the power and just aren't as sophisticated as Perry's (or Arnel's). His tone isn't as sharp as either.

Still, I hope the band doesn't wear him out on tour. The one thing I think the band could have done to add longevity to the Perry years was to tour less and record more. At that time, during their heyday, that would have been a financial option. Their albums were selling huge. Now of course they rely on touring for the money and record sales are secondary. Still, dare to dream.

STORY_TELLER wrote:

brywool wrote:Arnel so far is a great choice for the band. We'll have to see how he holds up. I hope to God he doesn't gain more rasp after touring.

I'm concerned about him flat out losing it. He said in a recent interview that his chords locked up on him during his 3rd performance. Scary shit. Arnel isn't naturally as high a tenor as Perry is and when he sings the catalogue, it sounds like he's singing on the upper end of his range a lot. That can burn him out pretty quick. Hopefully he's being careful.

I read somewhere he lost his voice when he became a junkie, during his stint in HongKong. then regained it when he came back to his senses. as great as his voice is, it's not forever. you can never be too careful. just look what happened to Whitney and Russel Hitchcock.

STORY_TELLER wrote:The one thing I think the band could have done to add longevity to the Perry years was to tour less and record more.

Can I get an Amen?!?!!

Saint John wrote:

STORY_TELLER wrote:The one thing I think the band could have done to add longevity to the Perry years was to tour less and record more.

Can I get an Amen?!?!!

Amen! Totally agree!

Arnel sounds fantastic.