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How about this man's drumming on the new record? How ABOUT it?

Liquid_Drummer, and any other skin beaters, what do you gents think?

He is a great drummer, but I have never been a fan of the tone of his drums, they sound flat.

LtVanish wrote:He is a great drummer, but I have never been a fan of the tone of his drums, they sound flat.

I've only very recently been able to learn how to pick out good drum production, from bad drum production.... and good drum tone, from bad drum tone.

That said, great playing can transcend shortcomings like this... just like great singing/emoting can transcend a bad natural voice. And I think Deen really rose to the occasion and took some names on Revelation.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

LtVanish wrote:He is a great drummer, but I have never been a fan of the tone of his drums, they sound flat.

I've only very recently been able to learn how to pick out good drum production, from bad drum production.... and good drum tone, from bad drum tone.

That said, great playing can transcend shortcomings like this... just like great singing/emoting can transcend a bad natural voice. And I think Deen really rose to the occasion and took some names on Revelation.

I agree with you, Dean is fantastic, but I wish he would change his tone a bit, to me it doesnt sound right.

LtVanish wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

LtVanish wrote:He is a great drummer, but I have never been a fan of the tone of his drums, they sound flat.

I've only very recently been able to learn how to pick out good drum production, from bad drum production.... and good drum tone, from bad drum tone.

That said, great playing can transcend shortcomings like this... just like great singing/emoting can transcend a bad natural voice. And I think Deen really rose to the occasion and took some names on Revelation.

I agree with you, Dean is fantastic, but I wish he would change his tone a bit, to me it doesnt sound right.

Me not being a drummer, I wouldn't know. How can a drummer change their tone, as in with their set? Doesn't one have to tighten drumheads and stuff to a certain degree to tune it and such... and of course I'm assuming different-size pieces have different tones. Give me a quick tutorial if you can.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

LtVanish wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

LtVanish wrote:He is a great drummer, but I have never been a fan of the tone of his drums, they sound flat.

I've only very recently been able to learn how to pick out good drum production, from bad drum production.... and good drum tone, from bad drum tone.

That said, great playing can transcend shortcomings like this... just like great singing/emoting can transcend a bad natural voice. And I think Deen really rose to the occasion and took some names on Revelation.

I agree with you, Dean is fantastic, but I wish he would change his tone a bit, to me it doesnt sound right.

Me not being a drummer, I wouldn't know. How can a drummer change their tone, as in with their set? Doesn't one have to tighten drumheads and stuff to a certain degree to tune it and such... and of course I'm assuming different-size pieces have different tones. Give me a quick tutorial if you can.

My ONLY complaint on Deen's "tone" here is the snare.
It sounds a bit "flat".
Coulda sounded bigger, some effect added.
But that's not Deen's fault...

Deen's one of the greatest ROCK drummers in the world.
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If you want to hear great sounding drums then listen to Marc Droubay's drumming on Survivor's albums. His drums have the best tone to my ears. And he's an extremely underrated ROCK drummer too.

Journey/Survivor wrote:Deen's one of the greatest ROCK drummers in the world.
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Dude I always forget to specify "ROCK" when talking about drummers, guitarists etc. My expertise and knowledge doesn't branch into stuff like jazz, etc.

Thanks for tossing that up there. You wouldn't believe how often I get lambasted when talking to people by saying stuff like "Neil Peart is the best drummer alive"

ProgRocker53 wrote:How about this man's drumming on the new record? How ABOUT it?

Liquid_Drummer, and any other skin beaters, what do you gents think?

RisingForce73 wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:How about this man's drumming on the new record? How ABOUT it?

Liquid_Drummer, and any other skin beaters, what do you gents think?

0ujr90I)9q3ekpse

somehow i always slip an innuendo in there

i'm off to enjoy Rolie's smooth, warm organ

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:Deen's one of the greatest ROCK drummers in the world.
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Dude I always forget to specify "ROCK" when talking about drummers, guitarists etc. My expertise and knowledge doesn't branch into stuff like jazz, etc.

Thanks for tossing that up there. You wouldn't believe how often I get lambasted when talking to people by saying stuff like "Neil Peart is the best drummer alive"

Peart is universally recognized as more than just a great rock drummer. Same for guys like Steve Smith, Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, etc.

conversationpc wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:Deen's one of the greatest ROCK drummers in the world.
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Dude I always forget to specify "ROCK" when talking about drummers, guitarists etc. My expertise and knowledge doesn't branch into stuff like jazz, etc.

Thanks for tossing that up there. You wouldn't believe how often I get lambasted when talking to people by saying stuff like "Neil Peart is the best drummer alive"

Peart is universally recognized as more than just a great rock drummer. Same for guys like Steve Smith, Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, etc.

True but there's a shocking amount of people that think he's overrated.

Then again these people are on YouTube and for some reason that place seems to overflow with douchebags on the video comments.

conversationpc wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:Deen's one of the greatest ROCK drummers in the world.
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Dude I always forget to specify "ROCK" when talking about drummers, guitarists etc. My expertise and knowledge doesn't branch into stuff like jazz, etc.

Thanks for tossing that up there. You wouldn't believe how often I get lambasted when talking to people by saying stuff like "Neil Peart is the best drummer alive"

Peart is universally recognized as more than just a great rock drummer. Same for guys like Steve Smith, Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, etc.

Love ALL those guys but I also absolutely LOVE
Carter Beauford of teh DMB!
The guy is a fucking rhythmic BEAST behind the kit!

ProgRocker53 wrote:

conversationpc wrote:Peart is universally recognized as more than just a great rock drummer. Same for guys like Steve Smith, Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, etc.

True but there's a shocking amount of people that think he's overrated.

Then again these people are on YouTube and for some reason that place seems to overflow with douchebags on the video comments.

Anyone who thinks Peart is overrated is an asshole.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

RisingForce73 wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:How about this man's drumming on the new record? How ABOUT it?

Liquid_Drummer, and any other skin beaters, what do you gents think?

0ujr90I)9q3ekpse

somehow i always slip an innuendo in there

i'm off to enjoy Rolie's smooth, warm organ

That was one of my all-time favorite posts. Thanks for the laughs!

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:Deen's one of the greatest ROCK drummers in the world.
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Dude I always forget to specify "ROCK" when talking about drummers, guitarists etc. My expertise and knowledge doesn't branch into stuff like jazz, etc.

Thanks for tossing that up there. You wouldn't believe how often I get lambasted when talking to people by saying stuff like "Neil Peart is the best drummer alive"

Peart is universally recognized as more than just a great rock drummer. Same for guys like Steve Smith, Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, etc.

Love ALL those guys but I also absolutely LOVE
Carter Beauford of teh DMB!
The guy is a fucking rhythmic BEAST behind the kit!

Is it just me or is DM the least talented member of that band? (Even though he can play some mean gitbox)

Beauford, the woodwind guy, they all kick some tail.

I consider Steve Smith to be the #1 greatest all-around drummer of all time. Of Course Steve Smith is a Jazz drummer first and foremost.

Is Neil Peart overrated? Well, I consider him to be one of the greatest ROCK drummers ever. However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Peart is also a decent Jazz drummer. But he really doesn't compare with Steve Smith when were talking about Jazz.

Journey/Survivor wrote:If you want to hear great sounding drums then listen to Marc Droubay's drumming on Survivor's albums. His drums have the best tone to my ears. And he's an extremely underrated ROCK drummer too.

Marc is the man, one of the main reasons I keep listening to Survivor all the time.

IMO I think Simon Phillips has the perfect sounding drum kit, and it also helps that he is an absolute drumming perfectionist.

Journey/Survivor wrote:I consider Steve Smith to be the #1 greatest all-around drummer of all time. Of Course Steve Smith is a Jazz drummer first and foremost.

Is Neil Peart overrated? Well, I consider him to be one of the greatest ROCK drummers ever. However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Peart is also a decent Jazz drummer. But he really doesn't compare with Steve Smith when were talking about Jazz.

Where can I hear Peart tackle some jazz?

LtVanish wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:If you want to hear great sounding drums then listen to Marc Droubay's drumming on Survivor's albums. His drums have the best tone to my ears. And he's an extremely underrated ROCK drummer too.

Marc is the man, one of the main reasons I keep listening to Survivor all the time.

IMO I think Simon Phillips has the perfect sounding drum kit, and it also helps that he is an absolute drumming perfectionist.

What is it with Toto, and Journey too for that matter, having so many sensational drummers?

Dunbar, Smith, Castronovo, Phillips, Porcaro. 5 of the best right there... (ROCK)

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:I consider Steve Smith to be the #1 greatest all-around drummer of all time. Of Course Steve Smith is a Jazz drummer first and foremost.

Is Neil Peart overrated? Well, I consider him to be one of the greatest ROCK drummers ever. However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Peart is also a decent Jazz drummer. But he really doesn't compare with Steve Smith when were talking about Jazz.

Where can I hear Peart tackle some jazz?

Peart has done at least one Jazz tribute album, maybe more, I don't know. I'm sure that one of the die-hard Rush fans can tell you what/which Jazz album/s he's done. Or a Google search.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

LtVanish wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:If you want to hear great sounding drums then listen to Marc Droubay's drumming on Survivor's albums. His drums have the best tone to my ears. And he's an extremely underrated ROCK drummer too.

Marc is the man, one of the main reasons I keep listening to Survivor all the time.

IMO I think Simon Phillips has the perfect sounding drum kit, and it also helps that he is an absolute drumming perfectionist.

What is it with Toto, and Journey too for that matter, having so many sensational drummers?

Dunbar, Smith, Castronovo, Phillips, Porcaro. 5 of the best right there... (ROCK)

Yeah, Journey started with the excellent Prairie Prince on drums, then Aynsley Dunbar who is one of the greatest ever, then Steve Smith who is IMO the greatest drummer ever, then Mike Baird who was actually one of the better sessions drummers of the 1980's, and then Deen Castronovo who is one of the best.

Simon Phillips is another one of my favorites. But unfortunately he was only hired by Toto because of the tragic death of Jeff Porcaro.

Journey/Survivor wrote:However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Neil is a great drummer. As for the "#1" thing, I always find these silly. It's not like the people making that assumption have - I don't know - spent time listening to all the drummers in that big world and all.

What he actually is, is a many people's favorite rock drummer.

DracIsBack wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Neil is a great drummer. As for the "#1" thing, I always find these silly. It's not like the people making that assumption have - I don't know - spent time listening to all the drummers in that big world and all.

What he actually is, is a many people's favorite rock drummer.

Well, put it this way...
If you polled 100 active, professional Rock/Metal drummers,
I'd be willing to bet that Peart would easily be in the
top-2 as the drummer that has influenced them the most.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

DracIsBack wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Neil is a great drummer. As for the "#1" thing, I always find these silly. It's not like the people making that assumption have - I don't know - spent time listening to all the drummers in that big world and all.

What he actually is, is a many people's favorite rock drummer.

Well, put it this way...
If you polled 100 active, professional Rock/Metal drummers,
I'd be willing to bet that Peart would easily be in the
top-2 as the drummer that has influenced them the most.

Bonham at the very top alongside him I'm assuming?

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

DracIsBack wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Neil is a great drummer. As for the "#1" thing, I always find these silly. It's not like the people making that assumption have - I don't know - spent time listening to all the drummers in that big world and all.

What he actually is, is a many people's favorite rock drummer.

Well, put it this way...
If you polled 100 active, professional Rock/Metal drummers,
I'd be willing to bet that Peart would easily be in the
top-2 as the drummer that has influenced them the most.

Bonham at the very top alongside him I'm assuming?

Bonham?!?!?!?

Naw!!! Rikki Rokket!

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:I consider Steve Smith to be the #1 greatest all-around drummer of all time. Of Course Steve Smith is a Jazz drummer first and foremost.

Is Neil Peart overrated? Well, I consider him to be one of the greatest ROCK drummers ever. However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Peart is also a decent Jazz drummer. But he really doesn't compare with Steve Smith when were talking about Jazz.

Where can I hear Peart tackle some jazz?

Burning for Buddy Vols I & II...

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

DracIsBack wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:However, I don't consider him to be the #1 greatest ROCK drummer ever as some people do.

Neil is a great drummer. As for the "#1" thing, I always find these silly. It's not like the people making that assumption have - I don't know - spent time listening to all the drummers in that big world and all.

What he actually is, is a many people's favorite rock drummer.

Well, put it this way...
If you polled 100 active, professional Rock/Metal drummers,
I'd be willing to bet that Peart would easily be in the
top-2 as the drummer that has influenced them the most.

Yes. Influence and originality rule. Too many people are awed by speed alone. Peart has some of the most creative fills and patterns I've ever heard. Some of his fills start in unexpected places like on the upbeat and make you shake your head. For example, the fill in "Freewill" during the guitar solo. Just amazing.

Drumming aside, he's a monster singer.

Been a drummer all my life, and DC is as good of a rock drummer as you get.

I just don't like the individual sounds of his drums. Seems they lack true pitch definition and melodic sound. Don't know if his Regal tips are too heavy or he's hitting Tupperware, but it just sounds flat & echoey. And that can be a great vibe for certain songs, but like a piano or a guitar, I think drums should sound different for different songs, especially the snare. A snare most often needs a tight crunchy pop that totally separates it from the other drums. With a snare, some decay is good. But with toms, too much sounds like you're trying to create a sound rather than have the drum define it.

But DC himself...yeah, he's a monster. And his playing is only getting better.
The fact that he sings so well too probably makes him one of the most overall talented drummers in the biz.


later~