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I don't post much, but this has bugged me for a while so here I go. I regularly see references to Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' as if it's a mushy girly song like Open Arms. It's everything BUT that! The guy finds out his girl is cheating on him and it's "tearing him apart". Then the song is about karma. "It won't be long till you're alone when your lover, he hasn't come home, cause he's lovin, he's touchin, he's squeezin another. He's tearing you apart. Now its your turn girl to cry - NA NA NA NA NA NA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

At my LONG awaited first Journey concert in 2001, as my (now ex) wife was dancing along to this song with me in the 2nd row, little did I know that she was doing it to me with my special needs daughter's neurologist. So for me, the song still brings tears to my eyes, and I'm waiting for the karma so I can really sing NA NA NA NA NA NA!!!!!!!!

kmjrr wrote:I don't post much, but this has bugged me for a while so here I go. I regularly see references to Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' as if it's a mushy girly song like Open Arms. It's everything BUT that! The guy finds out his girl is cheating on him and it's "tearing him apart". Then the song is about karma. "It won't be long till you're alone when your lover, he hasn't come home, cause he's lovin, he's touchin, he's squeezin another. He's tearing you apart. Now its your turn girl to cry - NA NA NA NA NA NA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

At my LONG awaited first Journey concert in 2001, as my (now ex) wife was dancing along to this song with me in the 2nd row, little did I know that she was doing it to me with my special needs daughter's neurologist. So for me, the song still brings tears to my eyes, and I'm waiting for the karma so I can really sing NA NA NA NA NA NA!!!!!!!!

Welcome aboard, and sorry to hear your news. I had a girlfriend for a year and a half and she moved a guy into my apartment 3 weeks after I left for basic training. That's okay though, because if I hadn't dumped her when I got home, I never would have met my wife. I've been happily married for over 15 years now thanks to her! That makes another song come to mind...

Chicago- "If She Would Have Been Faithfull".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSTyDj1W3Q

Sorry to hear that, my now EX did the same to me so I usually do not listen to that song any more. My advise, don't listen to the song if it makes you so sad.

G.I.Jim wrote:Welcome aboard, and sorry to hear your news. I had a girlfriend for a year and a half and she moved a guy into my apartment 3 weeks after I left for basic training. That's okay though, because if I hadn't dumped her when I got home, I never would have met my wife. I've been happily married for over 15 years now thanks to her! That makes another song come to mind...

Chicago- "If She W Have Been Faithfull".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSTyDj1W3Q

Thanks, I've got that song, forgot about it. Hope it comes true for me too some day, congratulations to you. The sad thing is that my 3 kids (in my sig) that had to go through this, with ramifications that will last forever.

The karma will come. People who do stuff like that always get it back one way or another.

journeygirl wrote:Sorry to hear that, my now EX did the same to me so I usually do not listen to that song any more. My advise, don't listen to the song if it makes you so sad.

It's a mixture of feelings, as I'm sure you know. I sing along with it as if it has now happened to her too.

Edge Of The Blade too. I like "If it's sharp, if it cuts, Enjoy yourself!"

bluejeangirl76 wrote:The karma will come. People who do stuff like that always get it back one way or another.

Yep, what goes around comes around.

I love LTS, probably got one of the best sexy, bluesy swagger grooves especially LIVE. Just one of those songs that I prefer LIVE over studio. Great "eff u" song.

Deb wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:The karma will come. People who do stuff like that always get it back one way or another.

Yep, what goes around comes around.

I love LTS, probably got one of the best sexy, bluesy swagger grooves especially LIVE. Just one of those songs that I prefer LIVE over studio. Great "eff u" song.

Exactly. It's an "eff u" song, not a mushy song. I love Perry's intro on the Greatest Hits Live CD.
You Promised to love me , hold me
Never Never Never Never leave me
You Promised to love me , hold me
Never Never Never Never leave me
Do you love me baby?
I said Do you Do you love me baby?

G.I.Jim wrote:Welcome aboard, and sorry to hear your news. I had a girlfriend for a year and a half and she moved a guy into my apartment 3 weeks after I left for basic training.

So, she was basically training him?




Ba da bump (drumsplash).



Sorry Jim, the door was wide open for that one.

Seriously though, kmjrr, I think a lot of the disdain that LTS gets is 'cause they never do it to match the original. Its always a drawn out debacle they try to pass as the "Journey blues". Friga on the mouth organ to boot.

The original LTS with its thumping bass intro is a great tune.

As for your experience, its obvious you're in some pain and its eating you up. Seeing her because of the kids has got to be really rough.

If the break up or you finding out about all this was recent, hang in there and time will get you through it. If its been a while and you can't get past the hate, try to get some help. Even if its just talking to a close friend.

By the way, EOTB and LTS promote karma by something bad happening to her. You don't need to wait for that to move on so don't focus on it. Get clear of the hate 'cause it won't bring you anything good.

Try to focus on yourself and your kids. I recommend this tune instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OUugFh2D6s

I'm sure there's some other great tunes out there.

StoneCold wrote:By the way, EOTB and LTS promote karma by something bad happening to her. You don't need to wait for that to move on so don't focus on it. Get clear of the hate 'cause it won't bring you anything good.

That is REALLY true. I let go of the hate, finally, and then, not long after, when I found out about my ex's epic karmic ass kicking, I found that I didn't take joy in it, as many would (and as I even thought *I* would). That would just make me the exact type of person I don't want to be - hateful, spiteful, bitter... NO! I won't waste my life focusing on such awful things when there is plenty of good to take joy from.

So, no, I didn't enjoy it, but I certainly didn't waste any time feeling bad about it either. It just is what it is, and he got what he deserved for what he put in motion. Not my problem.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

StoneCold wrote:By the way, EOTB and LTS promote karma by something bad happening to her. You don't need to wait for that to move on so don't focus on it. Get clear of the hate 'cause it won't bring you anything good.

That is REALLY true. I let go of the hate, finally, and then, not long after, when I found out about my ex's epic karmic ass kicking, I found that I didn't take joy in it, as many would (and as I even thought *I* would). That would just make me the exact type of person I don't want to be - hateful, spiteful, bitter... NO! I won't waste my life focusing on such awful things when there is plenty of good to take joy from.

So, no, I didn't enjoy it, but I certainly didn't waste any time feeling bad about it either. It just is what it is, and he got what he deserved for what he put in motion. Not my problem.

Agreed. Its natural to be angry about it, anyone would be. To dwell on the hate continues to gives the ex power over a life they should have no more effect on. Release the hate and move on.

From "To Be Alive Again":

You're not among the walkin' wounded anymore
There's a time to fall
There's a time to rise above it all

StoneCold wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

StoneCold wrote:By the way, EOTB and LTS promote karma by something bad happening to her. You don't need to wait for that to move on so don't focus on it. Get clear of the hate 'cause it won't bring you anything good.

That is REALLY true. I let go of the hate, finally, and then, not long after, when I found out about my ex's epic karmic ass kicking, I found that I didn't take joy in it, as many would (and as I even thought *I* would). That would just make me the exact type of person I don't want to be - hateful, spiteful, bitter... NO! I won't waste my life focusing on such awful things when there is plenty of good to take joy from.

So, no, I didn't enjoy it, but I certainly didn't waste any time feeling bad about it either. It just is what it is, and he got what he deserved for what he put in motion. Not my problem.

Agreed. Its natural to be angry about it, anyone would be. To dwell on the hate continues to gives the ex power over a life they should have no more effect on. Release the hate and move on.

From "To Be Alive Again":

You're not among the walkin' wounded anymore
There's a time to fall
There's a time to rise above it all

Thanks both of you, I appreciate it. I know what you say is true.

BTW, I'm taking 2 of my children to their first Journey concert next month. I can't wait to experience it with them.

G.I.Jim wrote:

kmjrr wrote:I don't post much, but this has bugged me for a while so here I go. I regularly see references to Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' as if it's a mushy girly song like Open Arms. It's everything BUT that! The guy finds out his girl is cheating on him and it's "tearing him apart". Then the song is about karma. "It won't be long till you're alone when your lover, he hasn't come home, cause he's lovin, he's touchin, he's squeezin another. He's tearing you apart. Now its your turn girl to cry - NA NA NA NA NA NA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

At my LONG awaited first Journey concert in 2001, as my (now ex) wife was dancing along to this song with me in the 2nd row, little did I know that she was doing it to me with my special needs daughter's neurologist. So for me, the song still brings tears to my eyes, and I'm waiting for the karma so I can really sing NA NA NA NA NA NA!!!!!!!!

Welcome aboard, and sorry to hear your news. I had a girlfriend for a year and a half and she moved a guy into my apartment 3 weeks after I left for basic training. That's okay though, because if I hadn't dumped her when I got home, I never would have met my wife. I've been happily married for over 15 years now thanks to her! That makes another song come to mind...

Chicago- "If She W Have Been Faithfull".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSTyDj1W3Q

I agree GI. Though it was painful to find out my ex was cheeting on me.......with scores of women mind you and prostitutes , his guilty confession led to divorce.

But I started dating Daniel again after 20+ years had passed in both of our lives. I married him two years later. The Na~Na part? His new wife is only staying with him so he can take care of her medical needs........something she told me on the phone. She feels he is cheeting on her now. I am happy and he is miserable. Karma bites those who deserve it!

By the way, I love that Chicago song! It has new meaning to me........

Sometimes in our desire to keep the relationship together, we try to look the other way and try to endure pain.But the heart is not made of steel and can only take so much.... and pain is like a knife piercing through our heart and slowly numbs it.

kmjrr wrote:

StoneCold wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

StoneCold wrote:By the way, EOTB and LTS promote karma by something bad happening to her. You don't need to wait for that to move on so don't focus on it. Get clear of the hate 'cause it won't bring you anything good.

That is REALLY true. I let go of the hate, finally, and then, not long after, when I found out about my ex's epic karmic ass kicking, I found that I didn't take joy in it, as many would (and as I even thought *I* would). That would just make me the exact type of person I don't want to be - hateful, spiteful, bitter... NO! I won't waste my life focusing on such awful things when there is plenty of good to take joy from.

So, no, I didn't enjoy it, but I certainly didn't waste any time feeling bad about it either. It just is what it is, and he got what he deserved for what he put in motion. Not my problem.

Agreed. Its natural to be angry about it, anyone would be. To dwell on the hate continues to gives the ex power over a life they should have no more effect on. Release the hate and move on.

From "To Be Alive Again":

You're not among the walkin' wounded anymore
There's a time to fall
There's a time to rise above it all

Thanks both of you, I appreciate it. I know what you say is true.

BTW, I'm taking 2 of my children to their first Journey concert next month. I can't wait to experience it with them.

You'll look back and won't believe you cared that much. Nothing like new love to wipe out any residual feelings of old love.

Have a great time at the concert. They look like they're on fire at every venue so far.

My heart goes out to all of you who have been through painful situations like that. Especially the kids who have to suffer through the aftermath. I am thankful everyday that Im still married and my wife and I still get along (most of the time) after 26 years I dont want to start over. I dont think I have ever wanted to divorce her Murder yes.......

Jana wrote:
You'll look back and won't believe you cared that much. Nothing like new love to wipe out any residual feelings of old love.

Have a great time at the concert. They look like they're on fire at every venue so far.

Thanks. I can't wait to see the look on my son's face when Journey comes out on stage. My daughter is going to see Heart, not Journey, but as you see in my sig (which is a 6 year old photo that the band signed) she at one time was enough of a fan to dress up like Steve Augeri! At 13 now, she totally denies it.

Perry wrote that song, one of his first with Journey:

I get the impression that the only reason LTS is ever referred to in the same ways as Open Arms is that many people are sick of hearing the song....especially as an encore.

I am not one of those people, I still enjoy the song. And while I don't always like it as an encore I understand that the fading "Na Na"s makes it a good outro for the audience to sing with.

I do, however, hate Open Arms. Although I recently realized that I prefer Open Arms over DSB now. I am SO sick of DSB. And I don't hear/listen to Open Arms all that much.

You're not alone, kmjrr. A lot of us have been cheated on. As a man who has never cheated on anyone myself, I understand I'm in a minority, but I have been cheated ON. It's a kick in the gut, that's for sure!!!! When somebody has done you wrong in a relationship it's natural to want that person to suffer in some way, to fail at their next relationship, lose a job, & so forth. If you cross paths with that person perhaps a year or two down the road, the LAST thing you want to see is that their life is better than ever. Therefore, that's what you gotta do. You gotta show her you've survived. The best revenge is no revenge at all. The best revenge is to live well.

Someday when she sees that you're doing fine without her she'll start to wonder if she made the biggest mistake of her life in doing what she did to you. You don't even have to put forth any effort to "get even." Being secure within yourself, happy with your life, family, friends, children..... being emotionally sound & stable will "punish" her more than any revenge you could take on her. In the privacy of your own home punch the wall if you need to, but never let her see she's had that kind of effect on you. The grass is always greener, as they say & there will come a day when her past will catch up with her.

Good luck to you.

JasonD wrote:You're not alone, kmjrr. A lot of us have been cheated on. As a man who has never cheated on anyone myself, I understand I'm in a minority, but I have been cheated ON. It's a kick in the gut, that's for sure!!!! When somebody has done you wrong in a relationship it's natural to want that person to suffer in some way, to fail at their next relationship, lose a job, & so forth. If you cross paths with that person perhaps a year or two down the road, the LAST thing you want to see is that their life is better than ever. Therefore, that's what you gotta do. You gotta show her you've survived. The best revenge is no revenge at all. The best revenge is to live well.

Someday when she sees that you're doing fine without her she'll start to wonder if she made the biggest mistake of her life in doing what she did to you. You don't even have to put forth any effort to "get even." Being secure within yourself, happy with your life, family, friends, children..... being emotionally sound & stable will "punish" her more than any revenge you could take on her. In the privacy of your own home punch the wall if you need to, but never let her see she's had that kind of effect on you. The grass is always greener, as they say & there will come a day when her past will catch up with her.

Good luck to you.

That's some great advice Jason. I guess you can say something smart every once in a while!

When it's over. it's over. Treat it like a book. It's done with put it on the shelf. Karma, what comes around goes around, etc. fuck all that stuff.
As long as thoughts like that are in your head, you're a defeated person. I can't even remember who cheated on me first or who I cheated on. Life averages around 78 years if you're lucky, not very long so spend every second wisely. Clean all that shit out of your closet, and neatly arrange all the good things that you want to remember in the top of the drawer. That's what I do. Every second you think about someone that's done you wrong is a second that you are stealing from the person that is with you now. When it comes to dwelling on bad things in your life, don't be a thief, move on and enjoy the future.

JasonD wrote:You're not alone, kmjrr. A lot of us have been cheated on. As a man who has never cheated on anyone myself, I understand I'm in a minority, but I have been cheated ON. It's a kick in the gut, that's for sure!!!! When somebody has done you wrong in a relationship it's natural to want that person to suffer in some way, to fail at their next relationship, lose a job, & so forth. If you cross paths with that person perhaps a year or two down the road, the LAST thing you want to see is that their life is better than ever. Therefore, that's what you gotta do. You gotta show her you've survived. The best revenge is no revenge at all. The best revenge is to live well.

Someday when she sees that you're doing fine without her she'll start to wonder if she made the biggest mistake of her life in doing what she did to you. You don't even have to put forth any effort to "get even." Being secure within yourself, happy with your life, family, friends, children..... being emotionally sound & stable will "punish" her more than any revenge you could take on her. In the privacy of your own home punch the wall if you need to, but never let her see she's had that kind of effect on you. The grass is always greener, as they say & there will come a day when her past will catch up with her.

Good luck to you.

That is so true. I got dumped and it hurt like hell. About two years later I am out with my now wife (of 13 years) and my ex sees me. According to my wife, my ex couldn't stop staring at me/us. It pissed my wife off, but then she realized why...she said she could see the regret.

kmjrr, like Mr. P always says, Don't Stop Believing! That day will come and it will turn on them. Same here with my ex, he hates being with the new one.

moangel58 wrote:kmjrr, like Mr. P always says, Don't Stop Believing! That day will come and it will turn on them. Same here with my ex, he hates being with the new one.

Goddamn, you are fucking weird.

"Mr. P?" Jesus Christ, stay retired Steven. Stay retired.

Thanks all. If it wasn't for the kids it would be a lot easier, I wouldn't have to see her. Instead I see her all the time, and she turns the kids against church, my family, and friends. I have done none of that. My attorney said that we would take the high road. There were no accusations in my court documents. Of course if you looked at the public records all you would see is how mentally unstable I am, etc. She was telling the parents of my daughter's friends that the divorce was because I had an affair. And SO much more. It's a Lifetime Channel movie, except the roles are reversed.

kmjrr wrote:Thanks all. If it wasn't for the kids it would be a lot easier, I wouldn't have to see her. Instead I see her all the time, and she turns the kids against church, my family, and friends. I have done none of that. My attorney said that we would take the high road. There were no accusations in my court documents. Of course if you looked at the public records all you would see is how mentally unstable I am, etc. She was telling the parents of my daughter's friends that the divorce was because I had an affair. And SO much more. It's a Lifetime Channel movie, except the roles are reversed.

Sounds like a blast.

In the end, your kids will be a blessing and will ensure the years you spent with your ex were not for naught. So stay strong for your kids!

My girlfriend's parents are going through a divorce that should have happened two years ago right now, and she still has a little 9-year-old sister that came along way after her and her brother and sister. Her dad's a cheating, unfaithful, cheap loser who only calls them when he needs them and her mom works all day and then goes out to the bars with her "girlfriends" like a 19-year-old college freshman hunting for seniors. So immature. Poor little girl needs a parent and she ain't gonna have much of one on either side if her mother won't stop clowning around.

Rockindeano wrote:

moangel58 wrote:kmjrr, like Mr. P always says, Don't Stop Believing! That day will come and it will turn on them. Same here with my ex, he hates being with the new one.

Goddamn, you are fucking weird.

"Mr. P?" Jesus Christ, stay retired Steven. Stay retired.

JasonD wrote:You're not alone, kmjrr. A lot of us have been cheated on. As a man who has never cheated on anyone myself, I understand I'm in a minority, but I have been cheated ON. It's a kick in the gut, that's for sure!!!! When somebody has done you wrong in a relationship it's natural to want that person to suffer in some way, to fail at their next relationship, lose a job, & so forth. If you cross paths with that person perhaps a year or two down the road, the LAST thing you want to see is that their life is better than ever. Therefore, that's what you gotta do. You gotta show her you've survived. The best revenge is no revenge at all. The best revenge is to live well.

Someday when she sees that you're doing fine without her she'll start to wonder if she made the biggest mistake of her life in doing what she did to you. You don't even have to put forth any effort to "get even." Being secure within yourself, happy with your life, family, friends, children..... being emotionally sound & stable will "punish" her more than any revenge you could take on her. In the privacy of your own home punch the wall if you need to, but never let her see she's had that kind of effect on you. The grass is always greener, as they say & there will come a day when her past will catch up with her.

Good luck to you.

Great advice but why are you doing guys?You a fuckin man Jason