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Don wrote:http://www.store.livenation.com/Dept.aspx?cp=13281_25619_25592_26074_26094

Cool. Hopefully, soundbytes on the Wmart website will be coming soon.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Don wrote:http://www.store.livenation.com/Dept.aspx?cp=13281_25619_25592_26074_26094

Cool. Hopefully, soundbytes on the Wmart website will be coming soon.

I would say before the end of the month, following the timeline they used with Revelation.

I hope it is also $10 at Walmart. I like the excitement of going into a store on release day and buying the album rather than pre-ordering.

I'm still expecting Wal-Mart to try and undersell Journey's Greatest Hits which is at $9. The three Disc Rev pack was 12 dollars, the double disc Manila DVD was $10 bucks, this should come in even lower considering Wally World has some new releases starting at 7 dollars.

Archetype wrote:I hope it is also $10 at Walmart. I like the excitement of going into a store on release day and buying the album rather than pre-ordering.

Me too. Besides, last time, on the DVD, there were people who had preordered and still not gotten the DVD when the rest of us could just walk in and buy it.

steveo777 wrote:

Archetype wrote:I hope it is also $10 at Walmart. I like the excitement of going into a store on release day and buying the album rather than pre-ordering.

Me too. Besides, last time, on the DVD, there were people who had preordered and still not gotten the DVD when the rest of us could just walk in and buy it.

I'll just download it. Saves all the muss and fuss....

S2M wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Archetype wrote:I hope it is also $10 at Walmart. I like the excitement of going into a store on release day and buying the album rather than pre-ordering.

Me too. Besides, last time, on the DVD, there were people who had preordered and still not gotten the DVD when the rest of us could just walk in and buy it.

I'll just download it. Saves all the muss and fuss....

You would, you butt pirate.

Pre-ordering isn't a guarantee you'll have the CD in hand the same day it's released. I'm sure it'll be shipped on May 24th, though.

It's on Walmart, no track listing yet though.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... d=16221753

ebake02 wrote:It's on Walmart, no track listing yet though.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... d=16221753

I'm proud of them for not whoring out at bargain bin prices.

jrnyjetster wrote:Pre-ordering isn't a guarantee you'll have the CD in hand the same day it's released. I'm sure it'll be shipped on May 24th, though.

I think I will wait and just go to Wal-Mart the day it hits stores.

How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

Good question, but I think Azoff is your answer. This was probably negotiated and
Live Nation is not a walkin distributor.

steveo777 wrote:

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

Good question, but I think Azoff is your answer. This was probably negotiated and
Live Nation is not a walkin distributor.

LiveNation and TicketMaster are one, headed by Azoff, and they have a deal with Walmart.

Furthermore, there are TicketMaster's in selected Walmart's.

When Revelation came out neither Walmart nor the Journey store shipped overseas. It looks to me like LiveNation will ship international. Could be huge for sales on a global tour!!

WikiD...Is this how you see it?

I would pre-order only so I would not have to go into Wal Mart. Man I hate having to go into one of those places.

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

I think this is simply Journey/Azoff buying their own CDs at the Wal Mart price (my guess is $6.99 or $7.99) and marking them up. That's still not a bad price, but that's not the point. At least throw some sort of bonus in there ... like a live version of Chain Of Love.

RocknRoll wrote:When Revelation came out neither Walmart nor the Journey store shipped overseas. It looks to me like LiveNation will ship international. Could be huge for sales on a global tour!!

WikiD...Is this how you see it?

Nope. I'm sure there are deals already in place for overseas distribution. If Live Nation wants to become an international record distributor on top of owning half the venues in the world and being the one to sell all the tickets, I could see them eventually running into some serious collusion issues somewhere.
This thing doesn't even release until five weeks after their South American Tour so those consumers might end up blowing their wad on the Greatest Hits album instead as it's already available down there.
Frontiers will be distributing the album in Europe so that area is covered.
As for Asia, the nation with the second largest music market over there has other problems right now so we'll have to see how that shakes out.

Saint John wrote:

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

I think this is simply Journey/Azoff buying their own CDs at the Wal Mart price (my guess is $6.99 or $7.99) and marking them up. That's still not a bad price, but that's not the point. At least throw some sort of bonus in there ... like a live version of Chain Of Love.

I know $11.88 is cheap but when you just gave away a triple disc package at the same price point and a double DVD set for even cheaper, that higher price might not sit to well with Wal-Mart shoppers like Billy Bob and Emmie Mae, especially when what they hear playing out of the Kiosk sounds nothing like they Journey they know from their youth.

I still see this thing coming screaming out of the gate but after that, will it maintain high sales over the next six weeks like Revelation did? It's not how you start but how you finish. If the band was really slick, they would combine this Eclipse Kiosk with Revelation and the Manila DVD, make it a Journey retail outlet within an outlet. Eclipse might not fair that well as a standalone but the catalog post 2007 would probably see a nice spike overall.

Don wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

I think this is simply Journey/Azoff buying their own CDs at the Wal Mart price (my guess is $6.99 or $7.99) and marking them up. That's still not a bad price, but that's not the point. At least throw some sort of bonus in there ... like a live version of Chain Of Love.

I know $11.88 is cheap but when you just gave away a triple disc package at the same price point and a double DVD set for even cheaper, that higher price might not sit to well with Wal-Mart shoppers like Billy Bob and Emmie Mae, especially when what they hear playing out of the Kiosk sounds nothing like they Journey they know from their youth.

I still see this thing coming screaming out of the gate but after that, will it maintain high sales over the next six weeks like Revelation did? It's now how you start but how you finish. If the band was really slick, they would combine this Eclipse Kiosk with Revelation and the Manila DVD, make it a Journey retail outlet within an outlet. Eclipse might not fair that well as a standalone but the catalog post 2007 would probably see a nice spike overall.

From what I have read, the plokkers are gonna MAKE this go platinum.....at least that's their intentions.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

I think this is simply Journey/Azoff buying their own CDs at the Wal Mart price (my guess is $6.99 or $7.99) and marking them up. That's still not a bad price, but that's not the point. At least throw some sort of bonus in there ... like a live version of Chain Of Love.

I know $11.88 is cheap but when you just gave away a triple disc package at the same price point and a double DVD set for even cheaper, that higher price might not sit to well with Wal-Mart shoppers like Billy Bob and Emmie Mae, especially when what they hear playing out of the Kiosk sounds nothing like they Journey they know from their youth.

I still see this thing coming screaming out of the gate but after that, will it maintain high sales over the next six weeks like Revelation did? It's now how you start but how you finish. If the band was really slick, they would combine this Eclipse Kiosk with Revelation and the Manila DVD, make it a Journey retail outlet within an outlet. Eclipse might not fair that well as a standalone but the catalog post 2007 would probably see a nice spike overall.

From what I have read, the plokkers are gonna MAKE this go platinum.....at least that's their intentions.

They were almost successful in the past, or were they?!? I have no clue, but I say they are capable!!

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ebake02 wrote:How can Live Nation sell it if its exclusive to Walmart?

I think this is simply Journey/Azoff buying their own CDs at the Wal Mart price (my guess is $6.99 or $7.99) and marking them up. That's still not a bad price, but that's not the point. At least throw some sort of bonus in there ... like a live version of Chain Of Love.

I know $11.88 is cheap but when you just gave away a triple disc package at the same price point and a double DVD set for even cheaper, that higher price might not sit to well with Wal-Mart shoppers like Billy Bob and Emmie Mae, especially when what they hear playing out of the Kiosk sounds nothing like they Journey they know from their youth.

I still see this thing coming screaming out of the gate but after that, will it maintain high sales over the next six weeks like Revelation did? It's now how you start but how you finish. If the band was really slick, they would combine this Eclipse Kiosk with Revelation and the Manila DVD, make it a Journey retail outlet within an outlet. Eclipse might not fair that well as a standalone but the catalog post 2007 would probably see a nice spike overall.

From what I have read, the plokkers are gonna MAKE this go platinum.....at least that's their intentions.

Two things.
1.The plokkers might sound like a huge group but they're numbers are no more than 20,000 Tops (I think I'm being very generous here). That would equate to each of them buying more than 30 discs each, thrown in with the purchases of non-plokkers.
2. If they actually launched a campaign through a band-members site and this looked like a concerted effort to artificially inflate the sales numbers to reach Platinum, RIAA could categorize a certain percentage of the sales as band promo and not count them towards certification (I'll query the RIAA and try to get clarification on how this would actually work under such a scenario, just for my own knowledge).

Don wrote:Two things.
1.The plokkers might sound like a huge group but they're numbers are no more than 20,000 Tops (I think I'm being very generous here). That would equate to each of them buying more than 30 discs each, thrown in with the purchases of non-plokkers.
2. If they actually launched a campaign through a band-members site and this looked like a concerted effort to artificially inflate the sales numbers to reach Platinum, RIAA could categorize a certain percentage of the sales as band promo and not count them towards certification.

I did not know this *shock* very interesting ...

Michigan Girl wrote:

Don wrote:Two things.
1.The plokkers might sound like a huge group but they're numbers are no more than 20,000 Tops (I think I'm being very generous here). That would equate to each of them buying more than 30 discs each, thrown in with the purchases of non-plokkers.
2. If they actually launched a campaign through a band-members site and this looked like a concerted effort to artificially inflate the sales numbers to reach Platinum, RIAA could categorize a certain percentage of the sales as band promo and not count them towards certification.

I did not know this *shock* very interesting ...

I'm going to try and get clarification on that. The RIAA used to turn a blind cheek but so many labels have been accused of buying back stock over the years they finally had to do something to keep things a little bit credible.
If it can be categorized as an orchrstrated inventory selloff, then I know for a fact, it wouldn't count towards certification.
I'll post any response I get from them.

Don wrote:

RocknRoll wrote:When Revelation came out neither Walmart nor the Journey store shipped overseas. It looks to me like LiveNation will ship international. Could be huge for sales on a global tour!!

WikiD...Is this how you see it?

Nope. I'm sure there are deals already in place for overseas distribution. If Live Nation wants to become an international record distributor on top of owning half the venues in the world and being the one to sell all the tickets, I could see them eventually running into some serious collusion issues somewhere.
This thing doesn't even release until five weeks after their South American Tour so those consumers might end up blowing their wad on the Greatest Hits album instead as it's already available down there.
Frontiers will be distributing the album in Europe so that area is covered.
As for Asia, the nation with the second largest music market over there has other problems right now so we'll have to see how that shakes out.

The things I will do through just to try to prove you wrong and me right!

OK, I just tried to pre-order Eclipse shipped to the UK, I got all the way through the billing including paying the $15 shipping before I got the error that this product was country restricted. Oh well, it was worth a shot, I should have known better than to ever question WikiD :? Although, I really don't see the difference from LiveNation selling in the states with the Walmart exclusive or internationally with the Frontiers deal. I guess it's just all in the contracts. I'd sure hate to be a lawyer in the music business!

If I were journey management & WalMart:

I would do what someone mentioned earlier and put Revelation, Eclipse and the Manila DVD in a display together. I would arrange it like this:

1.) Offer Eclipse alone for $10
2.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation 2-pack for $15
3.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation/Manila 3-pack for $20
4.) I would also offer all 3 separate too

They could sell a lot more that way because with the crappy economy, everybody is looking for a good cheap deal. Offering these bonus pack type deals would make people believe their getting more for their money.

ebake02 wrote:If I were journey management & WalMart:

I would do what someone mentioned earlier and put Revelation, Eclipse and the Manila DVD in a display together. I would arrange it like this:

1.) Offer Eclipse alone for $10
2.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation 2-pack for $15
3.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation/Manila 3-pack for $20
4.) I would also offer all 3 separate too

They could sell a lot more that way because with the crappy economy, everybody is looking for a good cheap deal. Offering these bonus pack type deals would make people believe their getting more for their money.

I like your moxy, kid.....

Make them think they are getting more for their money, when, in fact, they are getting less....classic!

S2M wrote:

ebake02 wrote:If I were journey management & WalMart:

I would do what someone mentioned earlier and put Revelation, Eclipse and the Manila DVD in a display together. I would arrange it like this:

1.) Offer Eclipse alone for $10
2.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation 2-pack for $15
3.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation/Manila 3-pack for $20
4.) I would also offer all 3 separate too

They could sell a lot more that way because with the crappy economy, everybody is looking for a good cheap deal. Offering these bonus pack type deals would make people believe their getting more for their money.

I like your moxy, kid.....

Make them think they are getting more for their money, when, in fact, they are getting less....classic!

Actually, my Portuguese uncle was the one who came up with that marketing plan.

Don wrote:

S2M wrote:

ebake02 wrote:If I were journey management & WalMart:

I would do what someone mentioned earlier and put Revelation, Eclipse and the Manila DVD in a display together. I would arrange it like this:

1.) Offer Eclipse alone for $10
2.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation 2-pack for $15
3.) Offer an Eclipse/Revelation/Manila 3-pack for $20
4.) I would also offer all 3 separate too

They could sell a lot more that way because with the crappy economy, everybody is looking for a good cheap deal. Offering these bonus pack type deals would make people believe their getting more for their money.

I like your moxy, kid.....

Make them think they are getting more for their money, when, in fact, they are getting less....classic!

Actually, my Portuguese uncle was the one who came up with that marketing plan.

Is that the same uncle that has little blue stickers on the Journey albums at Walmart?