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Rock band Journey will earn $243,000 to play Montana State Fair

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Rock band Journey, the top music act scheduled to perform at the Montana State Fair, will earn $243,000 while Pat Benatar will receive $50,000 and Loverboy, $16,500.

The trio of 1980s-era bands will perform for four hours Aug. 1, with Benatar and Loverboy warming up for top act Journey.

Cascade County commissioners discussed the contracts at a work session Wednesday. They will vote on the contracts Tuesday.

Lisa Bracco, general manager of Montana ExpoPark, said a couple of thousand tickets still are available.

“They are going real fast,” she said.

That's quite a difference in pay. Is it always like that, where Journey gets most of the dough?

steveo777 wrote:That's quite a difference in pay. Is it always like that, where Journey gets most of the dough?

I'm pretty sure that has been Journey's standard fee for awhile.

Pat Benatar and Lover Boy are pretty far down the pole as a major draw.

Journey's crew will probably prep the stage (since they are the headliner) so the other two acts won't have much of that expense.

$310K entertainment cost... tickets at $60 to $85.... I wonder what the break even is?

And there'll still be morons on here as the tour sells well again this summer saying it was Benatar or Loverboy drawing, not Journey.

Could it be it's Journey's equipment being used so they are getting more to help cover the cost associated with the manpower and moving the equipment or is Journey the one paying for the equipment rental such as lights, sound system, etc. etc.? Is the rental agreement for the space between Journey and the business owner? If so then Journey would carry the burdon of the cost to rent the facility where the concert it being held. Either way, after taxes and all the overhead, they aren't really getting all that much I don't think.

sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

I think Pat is fine where she is at. She has her Grammys and she headlines when she does her own tours. I still don't get why she is the middle act on this tour but Journey only sold out a third of their shows last year so this must be Azoff hoping for some magic.

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

True.....but just until they do Pineda era original material. When they play stuff from their two most recent albums, that's when the deal starts, at least for me anyways.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

True.....but just until they do Pineda era original material.

Don't hold your breath on that idea.

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

Journey deserves 20x more.

Yoda wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

True.....but just until they do Pineda era original material.

Don't hold your breath on that idea.

I never do. So they aren't performing Pineda era original material at these shows? I can understand why they do the classic Perry era Journey tunes, because lots of people that go to the shows still love to hear those and the band is good at doing them. I am not so much one of these type of fans though.

Who is the headliner of this concert though?

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

The dude has put his own stamp on a lot of Journey's older tunes. If the guy was a karaoke singer, he'd go out, sing the songs, and change... absolutely nothing vocally. Then he'd get reamed for not putting his own stamp on them. You can hear people whining about it daily here: "he holds out the notes in Faithfully too long, not like SP". "I don't like the way he does the high note at the end of Separate Ways, etc.". Augeri sang the songs pretty much as they were recorded except where he couldn't. JSS sang the songs the same as the records as well. They weren't labeled as "karaoke" singers and yet Pineda is. Augeri certainly didn't have the voice that Pineda does and his live vocal performances for the most part weren't as good as JSS or Pineda, even when they were recorded. So I don't get people making this comment. The dude sings his ass off. Kelly Hansen went out and sang the Foreigner songs note for note. Does that make him a karaoke singer too? Pineda is not the front guy that JSS or Perry was, but that has nothing to do with his voice. The guy's a monster vocal talent. Peeps like David Foster and many others agree. I bet Jss and Augeri would agree as well. I know Augeri would, cuz he has publicly. Perry wouldn't comment.

As for original Pineda material- how much original JSS material was played? Recorded? (1 tune was recorded and not released that I know of). How much of Augeri's original material was played live? Not much. Jeez, the dude's been with the band for 2 albums and he only started writing for the second one because the first one was already written. The tunes he worked on for Eclipse were decent enough. The writing coral is pretty well locked up by Neal and Cain. I don't think that has anything to do with "karaoke". It has to do with "We're protecting our investment and we're worried about opening it up". Well, they opened it up a bit and maybe they'll open it a bit more. Who knows.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Yoda wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

True.....but just until they do Pineda era original material.

Don't hold your breath on that idea.

I never do. So they aren't performing Pineda era original material at these shows? I can understand why they do the classic Perry era Journey tunes, because lots of people that go to the shows still love to hear those and the band is good at doing them. I am not so much one of these type of fans though.

Who is the headliner of this concert though?

You're one of the very few, but that could be because you discovered Journey long after their heyday. The concert I went to back in 2008 had them playing Never Walk Away and After All These Years, but the rest were Perry era songs. From what I understand, they dropped all of the Eclipse songs half way through this past tour. So, if they play any Pineda era songs, you're looking at no more than one song, but I don't even think they're playing one.

Great points all the way around. I'd like to add that writing, or participating in writing songs for an American band are a bit challenging for someone from the Philippines I'm sure because it's a culture that has a different ideal of music, as every culture does.

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

The dude has put his own stamp on a lot of Journey's older tunes. If the guy was a karaoke singer, he'd go out, sing the songs, and change... absolutely nothing vocally. Then he'd get reamed for not putting his own stamp on them. You can hear people whining about it daily here: "he holds out the notes in Faithfully too long, not like SP". "I don't like the way he does the high note at the end of Separate Ways, etc.". Augeri sang the songs pretty much as they were recorded except where he couldn't. JSS sang the songs the same as the records as well. They weren't labeled as "karaoke" singers and yet Pineda is. Augeri certainly didn't have the voice that Pineda does and his live vocal performances for the most part weren't as good as JSS or Pineda, even when they were recorded. So I don't get people making this comment. The dude sings his ass off. Kelly Hansen went out and sang the Foreigner songs note for note. Does that make him a karaoke singer too? Pineda is not the front guy that JSS or Perry was, but that has nothing to do with his voice. The guy's a monster vocal talent. Peeps like David Foster and many others agree. I bet Jss and Augeri would agree as well. I know Augeri would, cuz he has publicly. Perry wouldn't comment.

As for original Pineda material- how much original JSS material was played? Recorded? (1 tune was recorded and not released that I know of). How much of Augeri's original material was played live? Not much. Jeez, the dude's been with the band for 2 albums and he only started writing for the second one because the first one was already written. The tunes he worked on for Eclipse were decent enough. The writing coral is pretty well locked up by Neal and Cain. I don't think that has anything to do with "karaoke". It has to do with "We're protecting our investment and we're worried about opening it up". Well, they opened it up a bit and maybe they'll open it a bit more. Who knows.

Yoda wrote:You're one of the very few, but that could be because you discovered Journey long after their heyday. The concert I went to back in 2008 had them playing Never Walk Away and After All These Years, but the rest were Perry era songs. From what I understand, they dropped all of the Eclipse songs half way through this past tour. So, if they play any Pineda era songs, you're looking at no more than one song, but I don't even think they're playing one.

That concert that you mention back in 2008, they were probably playing all that Pineda era stuff because that was right after they released the new album that had these tracks on it.

As I mentioned in a post of mine before, I purchased the first Pineda era cd/dvd combination album back when it was first released, and to this day I've not played the disk that has all the classic Journey tunes on it. I'm not interested in these tunes, just the ones that are new tracks with Pineda on them.

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

The dude has put his own stamp on a lot of Journey's older tunes. If the guy was a karaoke singer, he'd go out, sing the songs, and change... absolutely nothing vocally. Then he'd get reamed for not putting his own stamp on them. You can hear people whining about it daily here: "he holds out the notes in Faithfully too long, not like SP". "I don't like the way he does the high note at the end of Separate Ways, etc.". Augeri sang the songs pretty much as they were recorded except where he couldn't. JSS sang the songs the same as the records as well. They weren't labeled as "karaoke" singers and yet Pineda is. Augeri certainly didn't have the voice that Pineda does and his live vocal performances for the most part weren't as good as JSS or Pineda, even when they were recorded. So I don't get people making this comment. The dude sings his ass off. Kelly Hansen went out and sang the Foreigner songs note for note. Does that make him a karaoke singer too? Pineda is not the front guy that JSS or Perry was, but that has nothing to do with his voice. The guy's a monster vocal talent. Peeps like David Foster and many others agree. I bet Jss and Augeri would agree as well. I know Augeri would, cuz he has publicly. Perry wouldn't comment.

As for original Pineda material- how much original JSS material was played? Recorded? (1 tune was recorded and not released that I know of). How much of Augeri's original material was played live? Not much. Jeez, the dude's been with the band for 2 albums and he only started writing for the second one because the first one was already written. The tunes he worked on for Eclipse were decent enough. The writing coral is pretty well locked up by Neal and Cain. I don't think that has anything to do with "karaoke". It has to do with "We're protecting our investment and we're worried about opening it up". Well, they opened it up a bit and maybe they'll open it a bit more. Who knows.

I think Journey still needs that third song writer, and I'd like to hear more songs written by Arnel to get a good grasp on his song writing abilities. I do know Jeff Scott Soto has written or has been a part of the writing of some really great AOR songs during his career. So, in my opinion, I do think Jeff would have been a very strong third song writer for Journey. Not really sure why Journey would have performed any Jeff Scott Soto solo songs or Talisman songs, but if they had, I believe they would have blended in pretty nicely with Journey's material.

Arnel has a great voice. Even his most staunch opponents can't really disagree with that. But, his opponents and proponents, both make pretty good arguments in regard to Pineda's other vocal aspects. And being satisfied or dissatisfied with those aspects comes down to personal taste. Some like the imperfections of his speaking ability (accent/diction) others find it annoying. Can't blame either side on that one.

My personal opinion, I don't see Journey doing another full album, but if they did, I'd like to hear more songs in the vein of "Remember Me" or "Higher Place", and an album that is rocker heavy like Eclipse.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Yoda wrote:You're one of the very few, but that could be because you discovered Journey long after their heyday. The concert I went to back in 2008 had them playing Never Walk Away and After All These Years, but the rest were Perry era songs. From what I understand, they dropped all of the Eclipse songs half way through this past tour. So, if they play any Pineda era songs, you're looking at no more than one song, but I don't even think they're playing one.

That concert that you mention back in 2008, they were probably playing all that Pineda era stuff because that was right after they released the new album that had these tracks on it.

As I mentioned in a post of mine before, I purchased the first Pineda era cd/dvd combination album back when it was first released, and to this day I've not played the disk that has all the classic Journey tunes on it. I'm not interested in these tunes, just the ones that are new tracks with Pineda on them.

Yep, it was shortly after Revelation was released, but they only played two songs. The rest were Perry era songs, no Augeri songs from what I remember.

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

The dude has put his own stamp on a lot of Journey's older tunes. If the guy was a karaoke singer, he'd go out, sing the songs, and change... absolutely nothing vocally. Then he'd get reamed for not putting his own stamp on them. You can hear people whining about it daily here: "he holds out the notes in Faithfully too long, not like SP". "I don't like the way he does the high note at the end of Separate Ways, etc.". Augeri sang the songs pretty much as they were recorded except where he couldn't. JSS sang the songs the same as the records as well. They weren't labeled as "karaoke" singers and yet Pineda is. Augeri certainly didn't have the voice that Pineda does and his live vocal performances for the most part weren't as good as JSS or Pineda, even when they were recorded. So I don't get people making this comment. The dude sings his ass off. Kelly Hansen went out and sang the Foreigner songs note for note. Does that make him a karaoke singer too? Pineda is not the front guy that JSS or Perry was, but that has nothing to do with his voice. The guy's a monster vocal talent. Peeps like David Foster and many others agree. I bet Jss and Augeri would agree as well. I know Augeri would, cuz he has publicly. Perry wouldn't comment.

As for original Pineda material- how much original JSS material was played? Recorded? (1 tune was recorded and not released that I know of). How much of Augeri's original material was played live? Not much. Jeez, the dude's been with the band for 2 albums and he only started writing for the second one because the first one was already written. The tunes he worked on for Eclipse were decent enough. The writing coral is pretty well locked up by Neal and Cain. I don't think that has anything to do with "karaoke". It has to do with "We're protecting our investment and we're worried about opening it up". Well, they opened it up a bit and maybe they'll open it a bit more. Who knows.

You're preaching to the choir, Bryan. I love how people post JSS videos and go, oh, he's got all the Perryisms down pat on the songs and that Arnel doesn't. LOL He's only different because his vocal tone is deeper. Other than that, he sings it like the songs. If he could sing it as a tenor, he would in a heartbeat.

Yoda wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Yoda wrote:You're one of the very few, but that could be because you discovered Journey long after their heyday. The concert I went to back in 2008 had them playing Never Walk Away and After All These Years, but the rest were Perry era songs. From what I understand, they dropped all of the Eclipse songs half way through this past tour. So, if they play any Pineda era songs, you're looking at no more than one song, but I don't even think they're playing one.

That concert that you mention back in 2008, they were probably playing all that Pineda era stuff because that was right after they released the new album that had these tracks on it.

As I mentioned in a post of mine before, I purchased the first Pineda era cd/dvd combination album back when it was first released, and to this day I've not played the disk that has all the classic Journey tunes on it. I'm not interested in these tunes, just the ones that are new tracks with Pineda on them.

Yep, it was shortly after Revelation was released, but they only played two songs. The rest were Perry era songs, no Augeri songs from what I remember.

At the 2009 concert, they played four Arnel era songs I was at. But last year was a joke. The sad thing is, instead of La Do Da, they could have thrown in a Revelation song or Eclipse song, as Lo Do Da (whatever it's called) isn't some big hit. I think Foreigner's well received and energetic greatest hits set scared them and they dropped everything they were singing off the new album but the one song. Their set seemed shorter anyway last year.

Don wrote:

scarab wrote:sad that Pat gets 5 times less than Journey, just as many hits...and its the real singer not a Karoake version.

I think Pat is fine where she is at. She has her Grammys and she headlines when she does her own tours. I still don't get why she is the middle act on this tour but Journey only sold out a third of their shows last year so this must be Azoff hoping for some magic.

She and her husband were on a TV show the other day, and they played their big hit song. Her voice was amazing. I was shocked at her age it was so good because of the years of touring.

I wouldn't pay them $50 to use my backyard.

Having a singer as a main songwriter tends to focus songwriting structurally around the lyric (which has its own melody) and the song melody itself. Perry was a really good natural foil to Neal's "over-rocking" tendencies... and at the time Neal listened. I think most of us can agree his best solos have happened when he played somewhat restrained, serving the song. Perry was also the perfect partner for JC's sappiness.. and in a good way.

IMHO this is what is "missing" with Journey songwriting today.

slucero wrote:Having a singer as a main songwriter tends to focus songwriting structurally around the lyric (which has its own melody) and the song melody itself. Perry was a really good natural foil to Neal's "over-rocking" tendencies... and at the time Neal listened. I think most of us can agree his best solos have happened when he played somewhat restrained, serving the song. Perry was also the perfect partner for JC's sappiness.. and in a good way.

IMHO this is what is "missing" with Journey songwriting today.

Exactly.

jrny84 wrote:

slucero wrote:Having a singer as a main songwriter tends to focus songwriting structurally around the lyric (which has its own melody) and the song melody itself. Perry was a really good natural foil to Neal's "over-rocking" tendencies... and at the time Neal listened. I think most of us can agree his best solos have happened when he played somewhat restrained, serving the song. Perry was also the perfect partner for JC's sappiness.. and in a good way.

IMHO this is what is "missing" with Journey songwriting today.

Exactly.

What is missing in Journey's songwriting is the 30yrs of time that has past. Neither Neal or Jonthan are the same people they were in 1981. And, Arnel is frankly not there to be a songwriter anyway,. If he were, Revelation would not be an 80's throwback album, and Eclipse would not be Neal's guitar album. Journey is now Neal's experiment, Jonathan follows Neal's lead and Arnel contributes where he is allowed.

I've said it a few times. I don't like Arnel because to my ears it sounds like he over sings the matierial and when he does over sing he strains his voice. He nails the lower note stuff though.

Also to the poster who mentioned JSS and writing. How the hell could he have written songs when they pushed him out of the door when they started thinking about Revelation. JSS brought a nice variety to the set, he brought a different sound, and he brought a credible song writer to the band. The only thing Arnel brings to the band is a fucking back story and a set of pipes to sound like Perry. Augeri sounded like Perry some what but sounded different enough that you knew it wasn't Perry. He also brought a song writing background to the band (even though most of the song credits with him are stinkers there area couple good songs).

I think out of 35 tunes, Augeri had writing credits on ten of them.

Don wrote:I think out of 35 tunes, Augeri had writing credits on ten of them.

post-ROR songwriting credits:

JC = 48
NS = 50
Augeri = 14
AP = 2

slucero wrote:

Don wrote:I think out of 35 tunes, Augeri had writing credits on ten of them.

post-ROR songwriting credits:

JC = 48
NS = 50
Augeri = 14
AP = 2

How many times are you going to cut n paste?

Yoda wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

Yoda wrote:You're one of the very few, but that could be because you discovered Journey long after their heyday. The concert I went to back in 2008 had them playing Never Walk Away and After All These Years, but the rest were Perry era songs. From what I understand, they dropped all of the Eclipse songs half way through this past tour. So, if they play any Pineda era songs, you're looking at no more than one song, but I don't even think they're playing one.

That concert that you mention back in 2008, they were probably playing all that Pineda era stuff because that was right after they released the new album that had these tracks on it.

As I mentioned in a post of mine before, I purchased the first Pineda era cd/dvd combination album back when it was first released, and to this day I've not played the disk that has all the classic Journey tunes on it. I'm not interested in these tunes, just the ones that are new tracks with Pineda on them.

Yep, it was shortly after Revelation was released, but they only played two songs. The rest were Perry era songs, no Augeri songs from what I remember.

In 2009 when I saw them they played 6, including Higher Place WITH DEEN. Just Journey, though. Much, much better setlist.