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Journey now has one original member left, that's bullshit and it always has been, regardless of what band does it. The fact that people are celebrating these new line up is insane. This is not Journey whatsoever.

It feels like the original members of Journey have been getting in their own way for a long time now. New (or older blood in Jackson's case) may be the shot in the arm thats needed for them to stop just coasting.

RonaldDupris wrote:Journey now has one original member left, that's bullshit and it always has been, regardless of what band does it. The fact that people are celebrating these new line up is insane. This is not Journey whatsoever.

Journey only had 1 original member in the mid 80’s and only 2 since. They only had 2 81-85.

RonaldDupris wrote:Journey now has one original member left, that's bullshit and it always has been, regardless of what band does it. The fact that people are celebrating these new line up is insane. This is not Journey whatsoever.

Well, the other original member, Ross Valory, wasn't really contributing anything. So who cares?

RonaldDupris wrote:Journey now has one original member left, that's bullshit and it always has been, regardless of what band does it. The fact that people are celebrating these new line up is insane. This is not Journey whatsoever.

Not only that, but people are OK with "Journey" being Schon/Cain along with three hired hands. This means that "Beyond the Thunder" could be called a "Journey" album. Like you said, it's not Journey.

Foreigner tours with no one (mostly) from the 90s back, its sad but the casual fans dont care.
They shouldn't charge the big bucks

Suddenly some folks are huge Ross Valory fans.

Monker wrote:Not only that, but people are OK with "Journey" being Schon/Cain along with three hired hands. This means that "Beyond the Thunder" could be called a "Journey" album. Like you said, it's not Journey.

BTT wasn't written as a Journey album, so this is just stupid. Dismissing AP's 10+ years as a "hired hand" reeks of racism. I expect to hear even more complaining from you now that they hired two brilliant African American musicians. I see you.

Steve Perry wasn’t an original member, but if he rejoined Journey tomorrow how many would still be stomping their feet crying “but it’s not Journey, there’s only one original member?”

leftovertu wrote:Steve Perry wasn’t an original member, but if he rejoined Journey tomorrow how many would still be stomping their feet crying “but it’s not Journey, there’s only one original member?”

You stole my thunder! I was going to say that! Perry isn't original member! Anyway, if this person wants Gregg and Dunbar back in the band so they can be a fusion rock back again, I am all for it, but I have a feeling this person would complain even louder!

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Monker wrote:Not only that, but people are OK with "Journey" being Schon/Cain along with three hired hands. This means that "Beyond the Thunder" could be called a "Journey" album. Like you said, it's not Journey.

BTT wasn't written as a Journey album, so this is just stupid.

Correct, it was a Schon/Cain album. Saying Schon/Cain can create an album as "Journey" is just stupid. I completely agree.

Dismissing AP's 10+ years as a "hired hand" reeks of racism

I did not realize that Neal and Jonathan are racists. From the lawsuit, "Perry left the band in 1997, but Cain and Schon vibrantly continue touring and playing together as Journey before arena and stadium crowds. They remain the key members of Journey, the song writers and the vital core of the band." Meaning, the drummer, bassist, and lead vocals are not "vital".

I expect to hear even more complaining from you now that they hired two brilliant African American musicians. I see you.

Oh, I don't care what sidemen they hire to back them up. This is not "Journey".

JourneyHard wrote:

leftovertu wrote:Steve Perry wasn’t an original member, but if he rejoined Journey tomorrow how many would still be stomping their feet crying “but it’s not Journey, there’s only one original member?”

You stole my thunder! I was going to say that! Perry isn't original member! Anyway, if this person wants Gregg and Dunbar back in the band so they can be a fusion rock back again, I am all for it, but I have a feeling this person would complain even louder!

Well, back in the day I used to say, "Journey with Steve Perry is no Journey at all."

Look, he can't tour, he releases an album every 15yrs or so. And, I think he's smart enough to not want anything to do with this fiasco.

Journey with one original member (Schon) and one extremely long term member (Cain)and another long term member (Pineda) is a lot better than Foreigner touring with only one original member (Mick Jones) who at one time was not even touring with them because of health issues, and one other long term member (Kelly Hanson).

As important as Schon is to Journey,if he retired/left Journey, and if say Pineda, Cain or Rolie, Smith, Valory and Josh Ramos toured as Journey most people would still accept it as being Journey.

Monker wrote:Correct, it was a Schon/Cain album. Saying Schon/Cain can create an album as "Journey" is just stupid. I completely agree.

The majority of post-SP Journey albums -like Revelation and Eclipse- were written and demoed by Schon/Cain. You are acting as if Ross and Smitty are invaluable members, yet you can't point to a single thing they actually did.

I did not realize that Neal and Jonathan are racists. From the lawsuit, "Perry left the band in 1997, but Cain and Schon vibrantly continue touring and playing together as Journey before arena and stadium crowds. They remain the key members of Journey, the song writers and the vital core of the band." Meaning, the drummer, bassist, and lead vocals are not "vital".

The only person to refer to AP as a "hired hand" is you. He's paid like an equal. It is true that the songwriting core is Cain/Schon.

Oh, I don't care what sidemen they hire to back them up. This is not "Journey".

Narada is a grammy award winning heavy hitter - as is Randy. Please keep diminishing the talent of the minorities in the band and exposing yourself as a racist piece of shit troll.

Ross and Smitty were treated like equals, but ultimately just wanted to be sidemen. Good riddance to those 2 shiftless lazy bums.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Monker wrote:Correct, it was a Schon/Cain album. Saying Schon/Cain can create an album as "Journey" is just stupid. I completely agree.

The majority of post-SP Journey albums -like Revelation and Eclipse- were written and demoed by Schon/Cain. You are acting as if Ross and Smitty are invaluable members, yet you can't point to a single thing they actually did.

I did not realize that Neal and Jonathan are racists. From the lawsuit, "Perry left the band in 1997, but Cain and Schon vibrantly continue touring and playing together as Journey before arena and stadium crowds. They remain the key members of Journey, the song writers and the vital core of the band." Meaning, the drummer, bassist, and lead vocals are not "vital".

The only person to refer to AP as a "hired hand" is you. He's paid like an equal. It is true that the songwriting core is Cain/Schon.

Oh, I don't care what sidemen they hire to back them up. This is not "Journey".

Narada is a grammy award winning heavy hitter - as is Randy. Please keep diminishing the talent of the minorities in the band and exposing yourself as a racist piece of shit troll.

Ross and Smitty were treated like equals, but ultimately just wanted to be sidemen. Good riddance to those 2 shiftless lazy bums.

I have not made a single racist comment. You are just being a JourneyLoon about it.

I don't care if they hire Randy Jackson, Andrew Jackson, or Jessie Jackson, or Tornado Jackson. According to the lawsuit, they are just hired hands and not members of the band. Just as Arnel is. Their argument is that Schon/Cain IS Journey...and has been since Perry "agreed" to leave the band.

Journey/Survivor wrote:Journey with one original member (Schon) and one extremely long term member (Cain)and another long term member (Pineda) is a lot better than Foreigner touring with only one original member (Mick Jones) who at one time was not even touring with them because of health issues, and one other long term member (Kelly Hanson).

As important as Schon is to Journey,if he retired/left Journey, and if say Pineda, Cain or Rolie, Smith, Valory and Josh Ramos toured as Journey most people would still accept it as being Journey.

If they were an actual BAND at that point, instead of Schon/Cain with a bunch of hired hands, then I would very much like to hear that lineup!

Who the fuck cares

1. Cain basically is an original member of peak Journey
2. Who gives a shit.... if the more long standing members are holding the band back, get rid and move on

youkeepmewaiting wrote:Who the fuck cares

1. Cain basically is an original member of peak Journey
2. Who gives a shit.... if the more long standing members are holding the band back, get rid and move on

Well said.

Eric wrote:Suddenly some folks are huge Ross Valory fans.

LOL. Nothing against Ross, but I'm not sure how anyone can argue against Randy being an upgrade.

Monker wrote:I have not made a single racist comment. You are just being a JourneyLoon about it.

Despite a tumultuous lineup history, you are now openly declaring "this is not Journey."
What happened?
Well, two white dudes got replaced by two soul brothers. That is all. Check your privilege.

Monker wrote:I don't care if they hire Randy Jackson, Andrew Jackson, or Jessie Jackson, or Tornado Jackson. According to the lawsuit, they are just hired hands and not members of the band. Just as Arnel is. Their argument is that Schon/Cain IS Journey...and has been since Perry "agreed" to leave the band.

As far as I'm aware, the lawsuit was filed before Narada and Randy even signed on. Let's see what they bring to the table before dismissing them as "hired hands." You don't know anything.

RonaldDupris wrote:Journey now has one original member left, that's bullshit and it always has been, regardless of what band does it. The fact that people are celebrating these new line up is insane. This is not Journey whatsoever.

Man, I bet you are just a blast at parties.

The race card.....there it is! You know where you can put that card, right? Get out of here with that shit.

Sighlence wrote:The race card.....there it is! You know where you can put that card, right? Get out of here with that shit.

Nothing wrong with dealing that card when some of the players at the table are racists. And the only shit I see is grand imperial wizard wannabes, like you, pretending that Randy and Narada aren't an upgrade. Keep crying honky.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Suddenly some folks are huge Ross Valory fans.

LOL. Nothing against Ross, but I'm not sure how anyone can argue against Randy being an upgrade.

Okay, question: In what way is Randy Jackson an "upgrade" over Ross Valory, the guy who actually played on all those iconic hits they're going to perform live?

Is his playing better? I doubt is, as I've never, ever heard of anyone lauding how great Randy Jackson is on the bass, but let's say it is: What difference does that make? The songs are already written. It doesn't matter who has the better "chops"....all you have to do is play the notes Ross himself came up with and played on the records.
I mean, neither of them can hold a candle to Billy Sheehan, but when it comes to playing the Dirty Dozen, it really doesn't matter, does it?

So as long as one can do that, it really doesn't matter if they are also the Eddie Van Halen of bass, since that's not something Journey songs need. Nobody will see Journey and say "Wow, that new bass player made all the difference". LOL, unless your band is Primus or Mr Big or Rush, or a few other bands, nobody cares about the bass player....other than being a familiar face.

And how is Narada an "upgrade" over Steve Smith, who many consider the finest drummer on the planet? Even before Neal Peart passed away, many considered him as such. PLUS, he's also "the guy who played on the albums", for the most part.

I remember everyone immediately declaring how much of a difference and what an upgrade Smith was over Deen (and whoever it was that filled in between them) when he re-joined Journey.

Not that I'm disagreeing totally here....But I'm failing to see how either of these dudes are an upgrade, EXCEPT in maybe one area: Randy Jackson's popularity from American Idol. That might raise Journey's profile a bit, I suppose.

But as far as their playing, I don't see how it matters as long as they both can perform the material.

Pacfanweb wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Suddenly some folks are huge Ross Valory fans.

LOL. Nothing against Ross, but I'm not sure how anyone can argue against Randy being an upgrade.

Okay, question: In what way is Randy Jackson an "upgrade" over Ross Valory, the guy who actually played on all those iconic hits they're going to perform live?

Is his playing better? I doubt is, as I've never, ever heard of anyone lauding how great Randy Jackson is on the bass, but let's say it is: What difference does that make? The songs are already written. It doesn't matter who has the better "chops"....all you have to do is play the notes Ross himself came up with and played on the records.
I mean, neither of them can hold a candle to Billy Sheehan, but when it comes to playing the Dirty Dozen, it really doesn't matter, does it?

So as long as one can do that, it really doesn't matter if they are also the Eddie Van Halen of bass, since that's not something Journey songs need. Nobody will see Journey and say "Wow, that new bass player made all the difference". LOL, unless your band is Primus or Mr Big or Rush, or a few other bands, nobody cares about the bass player....other than being a familiar face.

And how is Narada an "upgrade" over Steve Smith, who many consider the finest drummer on the planet? Even before Neal Peart passed away, many considered him as such. PLUS, he's also "the guy who played on the albums", for the most part.

I remember everyone immediately declaring how much of a difference and what an upgrade Smith was over Deen (and whoever it was that filled in between them) when he re-joined Journey.

Not that I'm disagreeing totally here....But I'm failing to see how either of these dudes are an upgrade, EXCEPT in maybe one area: Randy Jackson's popularity from American Idol. That might raise Journey's profile a bit, I suppose.

But as far as their playing, I don't see how it matters as long as they both can perform the material.

Really really strange post. Randy's playing on tracks like After the Fall has always been superior to Ross. Ross's most memorable bassline is Stone In Love - and that was written by Neal!

As for an upgrade over Smitty.....Neal already answered that.

Pacfanweb wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Suddenly some folks are huge Ross Valory fans.

LOL. Nothing against Ross, but I'm not sure how anyone can argue against Randy being an upgrade.

Okay, question: In what way is Randy Jackson an "upgrade" over Ross Valory, the guy who actually played on all those iconic hits they're going to perform live?

Is his playing better? I doubt is, as I've never, ever heard of anyone lauding how great Randy Jackson is on the bass, but let's say it is: What difference does that make? The songs are already written. It doesn't matter who has the better "chops"....all you have to do is play the notes Ross himself came up with and played on the records.
I mean, neither of them can hold a candle to Billy Sheehan, but when it comes to playing the Dirty Dozen, it really doesn't matter, does it?

So as long as one can do that, it really doesn't matter if they are also the Eddie Van Halen of bass, since that's not something Journey songs need. Nobody will see Journey and say "Wow, that new bass player made all the difference". LOL, unless your band is Primus or Mr Big or Rush, or a few other bands, nobody cares about the bass player....other than being a familiar face.

And how is Narada an "upgrade" over Steve Smith, who many consider the finest drummer on the planet? Even before Neal Peart passed away, many considered him as such. PLUS, he's also "the guy who played on the albums", for the most part.

I remember everyone immediately declaring how much of a difference and what an upgrade Smith was over Deen (and whoever it was that filled in between them) when he re-joined Journey.

Not that I'm disagreeing totally here....But I'm failing to see how either of these dudes are an upgrade, EXCEPT in maybe one area: Randy Jackson's popularity from American Idol. That might raise Journey's profile a bit, I suppose.

But as far as their playing, I don't see how it matters as long as they both can perform the material.

I think the key difference will be the energy live and the new material.

Also, in no way was Smith an upgrade over what Deen brought to the band.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Sighlence wrote:The race card.....there it is! You know where you can put that card, right? Get out of here with that shit.

Nothing wrong with dealing that card when some of the players at the table are racists. And the only shit I see is grand imperial wizard wannabes, like you, pretending that Randy and Narada aren't an upgrade. Keep crying honky.

You are the only one attempting racist insults and pointing your finger and using race to your arguments advantage. Nobody else is even coming close.

As I've said before on this forum, I think Arnel is amazing. Better than JSS and Augeri. I want him to stay in Journey forever.

Ross Valory is severely underrated and you can't replace him after he's been in the band since day one.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Sighlence wrote:The race card.....there it is! You know where you can put that card, right? Get out of here with that shit.

Nothing wrong with dealing that card when some of the players at the table are racists. And the only shit I see is grand imperial wizard wannabes, like you, pretending that Randy and Narada aren't an upgrade. Keep crying honky.

How's it feel to be the token Schon ball washer at melodicrock.com? Need a tissue?

Monker wrote:
You are the only one attempting racist insults and pointing your finger and using race to your arguments advantage. Nobody else is even coming close.

To paraphrase political spin doctor, Lee Atwater, "you don't have to say the n word to be racist." Racism can be present in more insidious subtle ways. In your case, the minute two brothers are hired you are posting on here that "this is not Journey."

Pretty much says it all...