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Ok I know he doesn’t want to be lead singer, but I’m watching YouTube videos again of him, and he sounds so much better than Arnel. Not to take anything from Arnel, but he sounded rough in Chicago. Deen also sounds much more polished and high notes are not a problem at all for him.

Deen has lost a bit of the high end since I first saw him sing lead with Journey during the 2004 detour tour - he's also a smoker. I think Arnel did a good job at Lollapalooza. Deen should get 3-4 songs a night. Throw Jason 2 also. Let AP do the rest.

Deen, like Perry and Augeri and now Arnel, may start having vocal issues if he sang Perry's catalogue night after night, year after year. It is a tough show for anyone.

Deen has def. lost some of that high-end since I first heard him in 2004. He's a smoker and isn't professionally trained. Having him do the dirty dozen nightly could result in problems. There is alot of online noise about having Deen replace Arnel. It's really stupid. For starters, Deen doesn't want the job. Secondly, Arnel still has gas left in the tank and has managed to become the modern face of the band.

What's sad is, this band has all the best members still alive, from both heights of Journey's career. Rollie/Cain, Steve Smith/Deen, Ross Valory/Marco, Perry/Pineda/Rollie, & Neal. So sad, that they cannot get their s*** together to take advantage of this - thus, removing any stress from any one singer. I still think JTT was the best 'reincarnation' of any version of Journey yet. I'm not a Cain guy at all - but if you did something using all those members, you kind of have to include him.
I'd just prefer the JTT lineup, and set list, and tour that. First half of the show is the older stuff/JTT, 2nd half Escape through current - or, mix it up every few songs - but then you need more of a commitment to the various lineups - in other words, peeps would have to hang around until their time - but it would still be better than what's happening these days. I seriously can't understand how people like watching the current version, doing those same songs, night after night, with very little mix up, & Arnel carrying the load, to which i'm not a big fan of his voice, state presence, or enunciation of the lyrics. I'm sure that will ruffle feathers, but it's just my opinion.

MysteryMountain wrote:What's sad is, this band has all the best members still alive, from both heights of Journey's career. Rollie/Cain, Steve Smith/Deen, Ross Valory/Marco, Perry/Pineda/Rollie, & Neal. So sad, that they cannot get their s*** together to take advantage of this - thus, removing any stress from any one singer. I still think JTT was the best 'reincarnation' of any version of Journey yet. I'm not a Cain guy at all - but if you did something using all those members, you kind of have to include him.
I'd just prefer the JTT lineup, and set list, and tour that. First half of the show is the older stuff/JTT, 2nd half Escape through current - or, mix it up every few songs - but then you need more of a commitment to the various lineups - in other words, peeps would have to hang around until their time - but it would still be better than what's happening these days. I seriously can't understand how people like watching the current version, doing those same songs, night after night, with very little mix up, & Arnel carrying the load, to which i'm not a big fan of his voice, state presence, or enunciation of the lyrics. I'm sure that will ruffle feathers, but it's just my opinion.

This new lineup just completed their first mini-tour a few days ago. They've done a total of maybe 5 shows. Your opinion is waaaaay premature. Some of the crowd was growing antsy during the La Do Da jam the other night. The idea that the band can dive deep into the jam band catalog without pissing off the audience is unrealistic. At best do one Rolie-era song or a montage.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:his new lineup just completed their first mini-tour a few days ago. They've done a total of maybe 5 shows. Your opinion is waaaaay premature. Some of the crowd was growing antsy during the La Do Da jam the other night. The idea that the band can dive deep into the jam band catalog without pissing off the audience is unrealistic. At best do one Rolie-era song or a montage.

I understand what you're saying, but it would be cool if Rolie could tour with the band and come on in the middle of the show to give Arnel a breather. Rolie could sing Feeling That Way/Anytime and Just The Same Way with Deen or something. And then maybe sing Black Magic Woman or A Million Miles Away. Then Arnel would come back and finish the show.

JourneyHard wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:his new lineup just completed their first mini-tour a few days ago. They've done a total of maybe 5 shows. Your opinion is waaaaay premature. Some of the crowd was growing antsy during the La Do Da jam the other night. The idea that the band can dive deep into the jam band catalog without pissing off the audience is unrealistic. At best do one Rolie-era song or a montage.

I understand what you're saying, but it would be cool if Rolie could tour with the band and come on in the middle of the show to give Arnel a breather. Rolie could sing Feeling That Way/Anytime and Just The Same Way with Deen or something. And then maybe sing Black Magic Woman or A Million Miles Away. Then Arnel would come back and finish the show.

The Journey songs you mentioned are from the Perry area, and have been played. JTSW was played as recently as during Lollapalooza. We are talking about the jam band stuff that JTT played from the pre-Perry cds. The La Do Dah jam is a step in the right direction. I hope the band cuts loose a little more like that.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

MysteryMountain wrote:What's sad is, this band has all the best members still alive, from both heights of Journey's career. Rollie/Cain, Steve Smith/Deen, Ross Valory/Marco, Perry/Pineda/Rollie, & Neal. So sad, that they cannot get their s*** together to take advantage of this - thus, removing any stress from any one singer. I still think JTT was the best 'reincarnation' of any version of Journey yet. I'm not a Cain guy at all - but if you did something using all those members, you kind of have to include him.
I'd just prefer the JTT lineup, and set list, and tour that. First half of the show is the older stuff/JTT, 2nd half Escape through current - or, mix it up every few songs - but then you need more of a commitment to the various lineups - in other words, peeps would have to hang around until their time - but it would still be better than what's happening these days. I seriously can't understand how people like watching the current version, doing those same songs, night after night, with very little mix up, & Arnel carrying the load, to which i'm not a big fan of his voice, state presence, or enunciation of the lyrics. I'm sure that will ruffle feathers, but it's just my opinion.

This new lineup just completed their first mini-tour a few days ago. They've done a total of maybe 5 shows. Your opinion is waaaaay premature. Some of the crowd was growing antsy during the La Do Da jam the other night. The idea that the band can dive deep into the jam band catalog without pissing off the audience is unrealistic. At best do one Rolie-era song or a montage.

I don't think watching Arnel for 14 years, and criticizing him is premature at all, I think it's more than fair. I also get that when you promote today's "Journey", you're promoting the greatest hits, a few current licks, & that historical show openers like LaDoDa may fall short among the crowd who thinks Journey started in 1981, or later.

However, my main point here was simply that it's sad to think that this band is completely in tact, in terms of all original members, & both incarnations that mark the "height of Journey", are all still alive, and capable of performing (1978-80)(1981-97). Yet, we have to settle for a 1 original member group. JTT at least had 2 original members, but couldn't even continue touring as such! Imho this current group falls short of what Journey should be, based on who's out there, probably crying in their own hands for one reason or another. I really have no issue with Marco playing for Ross, & I've noted that I prefer Deen (because I think he can pull off the songs better), & if we can't have Steve Smith, I"m good there. So, I don't think it's fair to say I'm judging anything prematurely. I get it, fans want some 'new Journey records", & they want to hear 'the greatest hits' on tour, but, there are still a few of us out here who prefer Pre-Arnel Journey, and I think that's more than a fair opinion to have, especially knowing it's more than possible, except for the obvious. Give me 5000 fans in a small venue, listening to vintage Journey with Gregg, Deen, Neal, Marco, & Jason, and you guys can have the big shows, with a quasi-cover band playing Don't Stop Believing, & the rest on regular rotation. Both groups of fans can exist. Sadly, my group is the group being deprived, for selfish reasons.

MysteryMountain wrote:I don't think watching Arnel for 14 years, and criticizing him is premature at all, I think it's more than fair.

Hold up. You said you preferred the JTT lineup. Therefore, I was talking about criticizing the new Journey official lineup - which, literally, just performed for the first time about a month ago and hasn't even done a full tour yet. If your real beef is with Arnel (diction, stage presence, whatever), then drop the pretense, and strictly say so.

MysteryMountain wrote:However, my main point here was simply that it's sad to think that this band is completely in tact, in terms of all original members, & both incarnations that mark the "height of Journey", are all still alive, and capable of performing (1978-80)(1981-97).

I don't think is true at all. Outside of the Ringo shows, Rolie doesn't appear to want a rigorous touring schedule anymore. We all know Ross is lazy and gives zero fucks.

MysteryMountain wrote: Imho this current group falls short of what Journey should be, based on who's out there, probably crying in their own hands for one reason or another.

This is the most energized Journey lineup in years. No idea what you're talking about.

MysteryMountain wrote:I really have no issue with Marco playing for Ross, & I've noted that I prefer Deen (because I think he can pull off the songs better), & if we can't have Steve Smith, I"m good there. So, I don't think it's fair to say I'm judging anything prematurely.

This lineup has performed a total of 4 full concerts so far together. You've already written them off, and don't think that's premature? Oookaay.

MysteryMountain wrote:...but, there are still a few of us out here who prefer Pre-Arnel Journey, and I think that's more than a fair opinion to have, especially knowing it's more than possible, except for the obvious.

I don't know what "pre-Arnel Journey" refers to - Augeri stuff? Perry stuff? Rolie stuff?

As for whether this new lineup will ever dive deeper into it's musical past (JTT style), it's pretty clear your mind was made up before they even stepped onto a stage.
Admit it - they could play "Next" or "Look Into The Future" front to back and you'd still find something to bitch about.

MysteryMountain wrote:I don't think watching Arnel for 14 years, and criticizing him is premature at all, I think it's more than fair.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Hold up. You said you preferred the JTT lineup. Therefore, I was talking about criticizing the new Journey official lineup - which, literally, just performed for the first time about a month ago and hasn't even done a full tour yet. If your real beef is with Arnel (diction, stage presence, whatever), then drop the pretense, and strictly say so.

Ummm, yes, I did say both of those things. I prefer JTT over current lineup. I also criticized Arnel in my opener, & the reply to you as well. No pretense here, it was pretty obvious.

MysteryMountain wrote:However, my main point here was simply that it's sad to think that this band is completely in tact, in terms of all original members, & both incarnations that mark the "height of Journey", are all still alive, and capable of performing (1978-80)(1981-97).

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I don't think is true at all. Outside of the Ringo shows, Rolie doesn't appear to want a rigorous touring schedule anymore. We all know Ross is lazy and gives zero fucks.

That's fair, but I was only making an observation. I don't know these guys personally. I said they all seem capable of performing. Maybe not night after night - which is why I proposed the idea of multiple lineups, per show, in my opener.

MysteryMountain wrote: Imho this current group falls short of what Journey should be, based on who's out there, probably crying in their own hands for one reason or another.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This is the most energized Journey lineup in years. No idea what you're talking about.

I worded this poorly. I was referring to the guys NOT in Journey probably crying in their hands due to their egos, or for one reason or another. That one was definitely on me. However, you keep referring to the infancy of this lineup which is nonsense. Neal, Arnel, Deen, Marco, Cain have all been there together. The only one who hasn't been is the Walden, who you clearly feel the need to protect based on other threads as well. To pretend they've played 4 shows & are above criticism is obviously nonsense when the bulk of this lineup have toured in the past, & together, &/or at least played together. My criticism goes beyond the last 4 shows. I was also no fan of Randy Jackson either. I was actually slightly happier to see Marco & Deen return. But my criticism is about the players who have been there who I've referenced: Arnel, Cain, & Walden just don't do it for me. Not sure why this offends you so much. "most energized" Umm, ok (?) My dog is full of energy too, doesn't mean I'm giving him the reigns to front Journey.

MysteryMountain wrote:I really have no issue with Marco playing for Ross, & I've noted that I prefer Deen (because I think he can pull off the songs better), & if we can't have Steve Smith, I"m good there. So, I don't think it's fair to say I'm judging anything prematurely.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This lineup has performed a total of 4 full concerts so far together. You've already written them off, and don't think that's premature? Oookaay.

I never wrote them on! I've made that clear.

MysteryMountain wrote:...but, there are still a few of us out here who prefer Pre-Arnel Journey, and I think that's more than a fair opinion to have, especially knowing it's more than possible, except for the obvious.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I don't know what "pre-Arnel Journey" refers to - Augeri stuff? Perry stuff? Rolie stuff?

I don't consider Augeri. I made it clear based on the years I used in my post, and cited the height of both Journey's Pre-Perry era, Perry/Rolllie, Perry/Cain.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:As for whether this new lineup will ever dive deeper into it's musical past (JTT style), it's pretty clear your mind was made up before they even stepped onto a stage.

I've heard all I need to hear from these 4 shows, & the multitude of shows they have done up to this point. Walden doesn't put them over the edge at all for me. It's the same ol' group, playing the same ol' songs.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Admit it - they could play "Next" or "Look Into The Future" front to back and you'd still find something to bitch about.

lol, that was actually funny. But since there is ZERO chance of that ever happening, I won't even consider the comment.

I think you take this way too serious. While my criticism may read/feel strong - its really not as strong as you seem to take it. I am a huge Journey fan, however, if I were to rank the incarnations in order, this current one would probably be last for me. Ok, yes, maybe they will BLOW me away with a new album, or play the entire Next album, lol, but I doubt it. Just feels like the same ol' same ol' to me. JTT was different. That was energy, they dug deep in the catalog, & that was great for this fan. I mean, seriously Good for Journey! Good for Neal! & Good for you & your love of this lineup. If 1978 Journey was a 10 for me, this is a 6. See what i'm saying here? If you love this lineup more than any previous, that's on you. Doesn't mean I hate Journey, doesn't mean I hate anyone, just not my bag historically & comparatively speaking.

MysteryMountain wrote:Ummm, yes, I did say both of those things. I prefer JTT over current lineup. I also criticized Arnel in my opener, & the reply to you as well. No pretense here, it was pretty obvious.

When I said your criticism was premature, I am responding to your complaints about the band's set list. And it is premature. They've played 4 full shows. The goal was to learn the set, prove they can play the material, and maybe add a few surprises - which they did.

I don't care what you think of Arnel. Like him or hate him, he's lasted longer than any singer previously.

MysteryMountain wrote:Maybe not night after night - which is why I proposed the idea of multiple lineups, per show, in my opener.

You attempted to make a distinction between JTT and the current lineup.

In your own words - "give me 5000 fans in a small venue, listening to vintage Journey with Gregg, Deen, Neal, Marco, & Jason, and you guys can have the big shows, with a quasi-cover band playing Don't Stop Believing..."

But this is a bogus comparison. Even JTT covered the Cain songs you seem to revile such as DSB and Faithfully.

MysteryMountain wrote:However, you keep referring to the infancy of this lineup which is nonsense. Neal, Arnel, Deen, Marco, Cain have all been there together.

They have?
What band featured that lineup?
Cain never played with Marco.
Deeno hasn't been playing with Arnel for years.
Jason may have done 2 songs at a JTT show.
Arnel never even met Jason or Narada or Marco before.
You are just making stuff up.

MysteryMountain wrote: The only one who hasn't been is the Walden, who you clearly feel the need to protect based on other threads as well.

LOL. When we have thinly veiled racists on here (based on your posts, you may be one of them) refer to him as nothing more as "yes man" and questioning his talent, then, yea, I think he deserves defending. He has more credentials than Neal and Jon combined. Band is lucky to have him.

MysteryMountain wrote:To pretend they've played 4 shows & are above criticism is obviously nonsense when the bulk of this lineup have toured in the past, & together, &/or at least played together.

Nobody is above criticism as long as that criticism is valid. You just want to drown this lineup in its infancy.

MysteryMountain wrote:My criticism goes beyond the last 4 shows.

No shit. It's apparent your just grinding old axes and projecting all sorts of long held grievances and biases.

MysteryMountain wrote:Not sure why this offends you so much. "most energized" Umm, ok (?) My dog is full of energy too, doesn't mean I'm giving him the reigns to front Journey.

And now, unsurprisingly, we are comparing Arnel to canines. Talk about a dog whistle louder than a fog horn.

Sadly, as predicted, your issues run much deeper than Journey or their music.

MysteryMountain wrote:I really have no issue with Marco playing for Ross, & I've noted that I prefer Deen (because I think he can pull off the songs better), & if we can't have Steve Smith, I"m good there. So, I don't think it's fair to say I'm judging anything prematurely.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This lineup has performed a total of 4 full concerts so far together. You've already written them off, and don't think that's premature? Oookaay.

I never wrote them on! I've made that clear.

MysteryMountain wrote:...but, there are still a few of us out here who prefer Pre-Arnel Journey, and I think that's more than a fair opinion to have, especially knowing it's more than possible, except for the obvious.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I don't know what "pre-Arnel Journey" refers to - Augeri stuff? Perry stuff? Rolie stuff?

I don't consider Augeri. I made it clear based on the years I used in my post, and cited the height of both Journey's Pre-Perry era, Perry/Rolllie, Perry/Cain.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:As for whether this new lineup will ever dive deeper into it's musical past (JTT style), it's pretty clear your mind was made up before they even stepped onto a stage.

I've heard all I need to hear from these 4 shows, & the multitude of shows they have done up to this point. Walden doesn't put them over the edge at all for me. It's the same ol' group, playing the same ol' songs.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Admit it - they could play "Next" or "Look Into The Future" front to back and you'd still find something to bitch about.

lol, that was actually funny. But since there is ZERO chance of that ever happening, I won't even consider the comment.

I think you take this way too serious. While my criticism may read/feel strong - its really not as strong as you seem to take it. I am a huge Journey fan, however, if I were to rank the incarnations in order, this current one would probably be last for me. Ok, yes, maybe they will BLOW me away with a new album, or play the entire Next album, lol, but I doubt it. Just feels like the same ol' same ol' to me. JTT was different. That was energy, they dug deep in the catalog, & that was great for this fan. I mean, seriously Good for Journey! Good for Neal! & Good for you & your love of this lineup. If 1978 Journey was a 10 for me, this is a 6. See what i'm saying here? If you love this lineup more than any previous, that's on you. Doesn't mean I hate Journey, doesn't mean I hate anyone, just not my bag historically & comparatively speaking.

Zzzzzzz go spin Khoutek at a klan meeting.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

MysteryMountain wrote:Ummm, yes, I did say both of those things. I prefer JTT over current lineup. I also criticized Arnel in my opener, & the reply to you as well. No pretense here, it was pretty obvious.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:When I said your criticism was premature, I am responding to your complaints about the band's set list. And it is premature. They've played 4 full shows. The goal was to learn the set, prove they can play the material, and maybe add a few surprises - which they did.

I don't care what you think of Arnel. Like him or hate him, he's lasted longer than any singer previously.

Great, I don't care what you think of me or anything else for that matter you old ass Magnum PI wannabe.

MysteryMountain wrote:Maybe not night after night - which is why I proposed the idea of multiple lineups, per show, in my opener.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:You attempted to make a distinction between JTT and the current lineup.

In your own words - "give me 5000 fans in a small venue, listening to vintage Journey with Gregg, Deen, Neal, Marco, & Jason, and you guys can have the big shows, with a quasi-cover band playing Don't Stop Believing..."

But this is a bogus comparison. Even JTT covered the Cain songs you seem to revile such as DSB and Faithfully.

You are very bad at debate. I'm not surprised though. You're simply connecting dots that aren't there, & circling squares that you know can't be done. JTT was awesome. Current tour, same old garbage. Setlist means nothing. Yes, they threw in some Cain era stuff, your point Senile Magnum?? Cripes, I gotta spell it out for you don't I, you miserable old fuck? I said, they should mix up the lineup. I prefer JTT. You must live a miserable existence. All you do is come across as a pin dick bully on a message board inhabited, & kept alive by like 4 people, lmao. Get a grip oldie.

MysteryMountain wrote:However, you keep referring to the infancy of this lineup which is nonsense. Neal, Arnel, Deen, Marco, Cain have all been there together.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:They have?
What band featured that lineup?
Cain never played with Marco.
Deeno hasn't been playing with Arnel for years.
Jason may have done 2 songs at a JTT show.
Arnel never even met Jason or Narada or Marco before.
You are just making stuff up.

Naa, I said they've played together in various lineups. Again, it's not complicated and proof you have no leg to stand on, so you just throw around insults. I didn't do that, but now I'm more than happy to call you out as the POS old loser you are.

MysteryMountain wrote: The only one who hasn't been is the Walden, who you clearly feel the need to protect based on other threads as well.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:LOL. When we have thinly veiled racists on here (based on your posts, you may be one of them) refer to him as nothing more as "yes man" and questioning his talent, then, yea, I think he deserves defending. He has more credentials than Neal and Jon combined. Band is lucky to have him.

Yep, everyone who doesn't agree with what I say is a racist. What a very shallow turd you are. You know nothing about me, & don't dare criticize the greatest drummer ever! lmao. Go suck a fart out of his ass you sociopath.

MysteryMountain wrote:To pretend they've played 4 shows & are above criticism is obviously nonsense when the bulk of this lineup have toured in the past, & together, &/or at least played together.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Nobody is above criticism as long as that criticism is valid. You just want to drown this lineup in its infancy.

Naa, just sayin' it's a shame all the guys can't get their shit together & tour as one. But I know, reading comprehension for you must suck, especially through those 3" thick glasses you wear, ya old Magnum PI fuck ya.

MysteryMountain wrote:My criticism goes beyond the last 4 shows.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:No shit. It's apparent your just grinding old axes and projecting all sorts of long held grievances and biases.

Naa, just providing context, something you're unfamiliar with. Reading comprehension too. Must suck to have the IQ of a crayon. Who straps your velcro shoes for you every morning?

MysteryMountain wrote:Not sure why this offends you so much. "most energized" Umm, ok (?) My dog is full of energy too, doesn't mean I'm giving him the reigns to front Journey.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And now, unsurprisingly, we are comparing Arnel to canines. Talk about a dog whistle louder than a fog horn.

Sadly, as predicted, your issues run much deeper than Journey or their music.

It was a smart joke. You didn't get it. I'm not surprised.

MysteryMountain wrote:I really have no issue with Marco playing for Ross, & I've noted that I prefer Deen (because I think he can pull off the songs better), & if we can't have Steve Smith, I"m good there. So, I don't think it's fair to say I'm judging anything prematurely.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This lineup has performed a total of 4 full concerts so far together. You've already written them off, and don't think that's premature? Oookaay.

I never wrote them on! I've made that clear.

MysteryMountain wrote:...but, there are still a few of us out here who prefer Pre-Arnel Journey, and I think that's more than a fair opinion to have, especially knowing it's more than possible, except for the obvious.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I don't know what "pre-Arnel Journey" refers to - Augeri stuff? Perry stuff? Rolie stuff?

I don't consider Augeri. I made it clear based on the years I used in my post, and cited the height of both Journey's Pre-Perry era, Perry/Rolllie, Perry/Cain.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:As for whether this new lineup will ever dive deeper into it's musical past (JTT style), it's pretty clear your mind was made up before they even stepped onto a stage.

I've heard all I need to hear from these 4 shows, & the multitude of shows they have done up to this point. Walden doesn't put them over the edge at all for me. It's the same ol' group, playing the same ol' songs.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Admit it - they could play "Next" or "Look Into The Future" front to back and you'd still find something to bitch about.

lol, that was actually funny. But since there is ZERO chance of that ever happening, I won't even consider the comment.

I think you take this way too serious. While my criticism may read/feel strong - its really not as strong as you seem to take it. I am a huge Journey fan, however, if I were to rank the incarnations in order, this current one would probably be last for me. Ok, yes, maybe they will BLOW me away with a new album, or play the entire Next album, lol, but I doubt it. Just feels like the same ol' same ol' to me. JTT was different. That was energy, they dug deep in the catalog, & that was great for this fan. I mean, seriously Good for Journey! Good for Neal! & Good for you & your love of this lineup. If 1978 Journey was a 10 for me, this is a 6. See what i'm saying here? If you love this lineup more than any previous, that's on you. Doesn't mean I hate Journey, doesn't mean I hate anyone, just not my bag historically & comparatively speaking.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Zzzzzzz go spin Khoutek at a klan meeting.

Yeah, there it is! You don't know what race I am. You know nothing about the musicians I like, or what color they are, but because you're such a pathetic excuse for a human being, and old as fuck, you just throw around insults at everybody. We're all laughing at you, & your stupidity.

MysteryMountain wrote:Great, I don't care what you think of me or anything else for that matter you old ass Magnum PI wannabe.

Doesn’t take private eye-like sleuthing skills to solve the mystery of why you hate the current lineup...

Comparing Arnel to a dog?

You are a vile racist piece of shit.

MysteryMountain wrote:You are very bad at debate. I'm not surprised though. You're simply connecting dots that aren't there, & circling squares that you know can't be done. JTT was awesome. Current tour, same old garbage. Setlist means nothing. Yes, they threw in some Cain era stuff, your point Senile Magnum?? Cripes, I gotta spell it out for you don't I, you miserable old fuck? I said, they should mix up the lineup. I prefer JTT. You must live a miserable existence. All you do is come across as a pin dick bully on a message board inhabited, & kept alive by like 4 people, lmao. Get a grip oldie.

Anybody calling themselves "Mystery Mountain" should be thrilled that the drummer of ‘Visions of the Emerald Beyond’ has joined Journey. The reason you don't approve of the new lineup is the same reason you are comparing Arnel to a dog. No further explanation necessary.

The idea that the JTT lineup was somehow musically superior is a total joke. By your own admission, 3 of those JTT guys (Marco, Neal, and Deen) are still there!

MysteryMountain wrote:Naa, I said they've played together in various lineups. Again, it's not complicated and proof you have no leg to stand on, so you just throw around insults. I didn't do that, but now I'm more than happy to call you out as the POS old loser you are.

So name all these various lineups, racist pos.

What is so hard about that?

Cain was never in a lineup with Marco.
Jason was never in a lineup with any of the guys.
Neither was Narada.
Deen’s been out for years.

The entirety of the band literally just all met for the first time together in July!

But according to you, this new lineup should be judged against all the previous lineups because a few of these guys played together or, err, uhh, something.

MysteryMountain wrote:Yep, everyone who doesn't agree with what I say is a racist. What a very shallow turd you are. You know nothing about me, & don't dare criticize the greatest drummer ever! lmao. Go suck a fart out of his ass you sociopath.

Criticism is fine.
You haven’t presented any – just anger and hatred.
And then you overplayed your hand – woops!- and revealed yourself as a racist piece of shit.

MysteryMountain wrote:We're all laughing at you, & your stupidity.

Laugh away, Adolf.

Dude, ease up on pulling the race card, will ya please?

Art Vandelay wrote:Dude, ease up on pulling the race card, will ya please?

Comparing Asians to dogs is an old racial stereotype. Sorry - that kind of stuff should not be tolerated.

The attacks on Narada as a "yes man", (which is really just short-hand for "step n fetch it") is as baseless as it is offensive.

Damn. You just went full on Monker on a good journey fan who was just saying he wants more catalog variety in the set list. You should get a grip and maybe take a break from here.

koberry wrote:Damn. You just went full on Monker on a good journey fan who was just saying he wants more catalog variety in the set list. You should get a grip and maybe take a break from here.

Bullshit. I have never called anybody on this Journey forum a racist and went on like a lunatic. Only TNC has acted like this...and this isn't the first time.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:Dude, ease up on pulling the race card, will ya please?

Comparing Asians to dogs is an old racial stereotype. Sorry - that kind of stuff should not be tolerated.

The attacks on Narada as a "yes man", (which is really just short-hand for "step n fetch it") is as baseless as it is offensive.

I've learned to take your words with a grain of salt. But this time you've dissected comments to the point of ridiculous. Slinging words like Adolf and Klan just to stir up shit is much more offensive than someone expressing that they prefer a certain genre of a band.

Anywho.....

I prefer Deen's singing of Still They Ride over Arnel's. Just personal preference. I hope they expand Jason's role a bit.

Art Vandelay wrote:I've learned to take your words with a grain of salt. But this time you've dissected comments to the point of ridiculous. Slinging words like Adolf and Klan just to stir up shit is much more offensive than someone expressing that they prefer a certain genre of a band.

It's funny how you take offense at "Adolf" and "klan", but not comparing Arnel, someone of Southeast Asian descent, to a dog. I see your white supremacy also. Bye Felicia!

koberry wrote:Damn. You just went full on Monker on a good journey fan who was just saying he wants more catalog variety in the set list. You should get a grip and maybe take a break from here.

No, actually he compared Arnel to a dog - a very old racial stereotype. If you're ok with that, you can fuck off too.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

koberry wrote:Damn. You just went full on Monker on a good journey fan who was just saying he wants more catalog variety in the set list. You should get a grip and maybe take a break from here.

No, actually he compared Arnel to a dog - a very old racial stereotype. If you're ok with that, you can fuck off too.

In this case I think you're wrong. There was not a direct implication of insult. If there was, the member would be banned.

Please allow me to do the moderating.

Onestepper wrote:Anywho.....

I prefer Deen's singing of Still They Ride over Arnel's. Just personal preference. I hope they expand Jason's role a bit.

Agreed. Deen does a great job on Still They Ride, one of my fave Journey songs.

Deen and Jeff sound hella good together on this new Coming Home video..... https://youtu.be/DF5sHLiud1o

Love the high five at the end.

Andrew wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

koberry wrote:Damn. You just went full on Monker on a good journey fan who was just saying he wants more catalog variety in the set list. You should get a grip and maybe take a break from here.

No, actually he compared Arnel to a dog - a very old racial stereotype. If you're ok with that, you can fuck off too.

In this case I think you're wrong. There was not a direct implication of insult. If there was, the member would be banned.

Please allow me to do the moderating.

Alright, that's fair. My bad.

Mystery Mountain - my point still stands. Let this new lineup get their sea legs. If the lineup is still playing it safe a year from now on, then your point is 110% valid.

MysteryMountain wrote:What's sad is, this band has all the best members still alive, from both heights of Journey's career. Rollie/Cain, Steve Smith/Deen, Ross Valory/Marco, Perry/Pineda/Rollie, & Neal. So sad, that they cannot get their s*** together to take advantage of this - thus, removing any stress from any one singer. I still think JTT was the best 'reincarnation' of any version of Journey yet. I'm not a Cain guy at all - but if you did something using all those members, you kind of have to include him.
I'd just prefer the JTT lineup, and set list, and tour that. First half of the show is the older stuff/JTT, 2nd half Escape through current - or, mix it up every few songs - but then you need more of a commitment to the various lineups - in other words, peeps would have to hang around until their time - but it would still be better than what's happening these days. I seriously can't understand how people like watching the current version, doing those same songs, night after night, with very little mix up, & Arnel carrying the load, to which i'm not a big fan of his voice, state presence, or enunciation of the lyrics. I'm sure that will ruffle feathers, but it's just my opinion.

Well, now that all the racism has been deflated, I'll reply this...

What you are talking about is similar to what Yes did years ago....

For those who don't know, Yes went through a lot of changes where they became less Progressive and more pop-rock They disbanded and came up with a new lineup and released 90125 and "Big Generator". But, a second version of the band came about with some of the original players. Jon Anderson joined this and it became "ABWH" (Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe)...and they sounded more like Yes than Yes did. Since Jon Anderson was lead vocals it left Yes in a bad spot of trying to replace him and continue. And, of course, there were arguments and trademark things, etc. The two bands eventually came together and did the "Union" album and tour...with all the players.

For Journey, well, Neal is Journey now. I just don't see him deciding to go and take all of these past members and slam them together for an album and/or tour. JTT is the Journey he wanted. That is really what caused Nightmare to file trademark violations and, again IMO, Neal to retaliate and sue Nightmare. At this point, I don't see the best of the best of Journey coming together for a "Union" type experience any longer. I doubt Steve Perry would tour. After JTT, I'd like to hear what Gregg feels about the whole Journey thing. After the lawsuit, do you really think Steve Smith and Ross will be welcomed back or even want to be a part of this? I just don't think it's possible.

The entire Union concept I wish happened sometime in the Augeri years. Basically, combining The Storm and Journey. That could have been a lot of fun, the Storm touring with Journey, mixing up the bands a bit during the shows, etc. But, I know that will never happen either.

Monker wrote:For Journey, well, Neal is Journey now. I just don't see him deciding to go and take all of these past members and slam them together for an album and/or tour. JTT is the Journey he wanted. That is really what caused Nightmare to file trademark violations and, again IMO, Neal to retaliate and sue Nightmare.

Cain and Schon BOTH sued Ross Valory and Steve Smith. You keep re-writing history that this was all done unilaterally by Neal. Where's the proof of that? It's like saying only Schon fired Perry.