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Don’t Be Down On Me Baby is the only new song they played on the opening night of the Freedom tour. They must even realize what a flop The Way We Used To Be is.


https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 85f0f.html

So glad to see “Girl Can’t Help It” in the list! Agreed about “…Used to Be,” hopefully the new album will have some better cuts…

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“Don’t be down on me Baby” is off Trial by Fire?

Opener and intro: https://youtu.be/D1r7joTjnpk
Closer: https://youtu.be/TgnRLt35sBI

Is the Whale back?

Eric wrote:https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2022/02/22/Journey-Freedom-tour-Toto-PPG-Paints-Arena-review-Pittsburgh/stories/202202220107

“Don’t be down on me Baby” is off Trial by Fire?

Opener and intro: https://youtu.be/D1r7joTjnpk
Closer: https://youtu.be/TgnRLt35sBI

Yeah you’re right. I saw live debut and made the wrong conclusion. Forgot it’s on TBF. So they played literally zero Freedom material. Wow. But looking at it now, it doesn’t even appear that they actually played it.

Neal’s out here hyping a new double album, and the newest song they’re playing on the tour supposedly named after the album is When You Love A Woman

Archetype wrote:

Eric wrote:https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2022/02/22/Journey-Freedom-tour-Toto-PPG-Paints-Arena-review-Pittsburgh/stories/202202220107

“Don’t be down on me Baby” is off Trial by Fire?

Opener and intro: https://youtu.be/D1r7joTjnpk
Closer: https://youtu.be/TgnRLt35sBI

Yeah you’re right. I saw live debut and made the wrong conclusion. Forgot it’s on TBF. So they played literally zero Freedom material. Wow. But looking at it now, it doesn’t even appear that they actually played it.

Neal’s out here hyping a new double album, and the newest song they’re playing on the tour supposedly named after the album is When You Love A Woman

Not great on the new music front. Terrific crowd and stage setup. Mixed bag review: https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2 ... 2202220107

They played The Way We Use To Be according to one review, not Don't Be Down On Me Baby:

https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2 ... 2202220107

Not only are people on Twitter bitching about the sound mix, but so too are professional reviewers. Goddammit Neal.

I remember a lot of sound complaints from the Eclipse tour as well. Wonder if it’s being done purposely to conceal failing voices. Seems like they definitely did play The Way We Used To Be. They selected the one song from the supposed new record that they know for sure pretty much nobody likes. Great call there!

Toto’s set looks to be as bad as Journey’s. Good luck hearing any of the great music from their most recent albums .

Another review:

https://news.yahoo.com/journey-delivere ... 36454.html

Post-gazette review:

https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2 ... 2202220107

Eric wrote:Is the Whale back?

No, that’s a (digital) Roland V-Piano with a red paint job. He previously used a black V-Piano for several years.

Same set in Philly it appears. Same huge crowd, too.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 8540c.html

They sound really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV0aFASLQOM

Eric wrote:Same set in Philly it appears. Same huge crowd, too.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 8540c.html

They sound really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV0aFASLQOM

That does not sound good. Arnel missing his vocal cues and at times hidden under the mix, the drums come in with too much bass and a boomy sound. The first review above where it says they are bassy and louder than Metalica is probably accurate.

Journey has always performed too loud...but it seems they have made it worse.

Moonglow wrote:

Eric wrote:Is the Whale back?

No, that’s a (digital) Roland V-Piano with a red paint job. He previously used a black V-Piano for several years.

Yeah The Whale could eat that tiny thing. They should call this one The Minnow.

Looks like they tweak it after few shows:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 9ba80.html

Eric wrote:Looks like they tweak it after few shows:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 9ba80.html

The exact same songs just in a different order

Archetype wrote:

Eric wrote:Looks like they tweak it after few shows:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 9ba80.html

The exact same songs just in a different order

No. I’m seeing Suzanne, WYLAW, IBAWY all in and out…

WYLAW is in every set. It was towards the end in the beginning of the tour, now earlier in the set. IBAWY and Suzanne swapped. Wow big switch up there. Sorry I missed where they changed one unremarkable song for another. Where’s the new stuff?

Little different POV than the usual YT vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMLdNqFaisc

Who's Crying Now and Mother, Father

Slipped in Chain Reaction last night.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... 996e8.html

I think they’ve played 23 different songs so far. Better than 2015-2019 but us hardcore always want even more variety.

It seems all the songs they perform now are from either Greatest Hits Volume One or Volume Two except the one new song, of course. So maybe, they can work Patiently into the set at some point.

Eric wrote:Little different POV than the usual YT vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMLdNqFaisc

Who's Crying Now and Mother, Father

Gotta say... Deen's voice - very impressive to be sounding that good at his age and from behind the kit (not to mention the hard living he used to do).

Can someone explain to me how After All These Years is not in the set list? It’s a song that was a minor hit off their best selling album since 1996. I think When You Love A Woman is a good song, but at least throw Arnel’s tenure as the lead vocalist a bone.

The band right now with the playlist and lineup is basically the best Journey tribute band in the world.

jestor92 wrote:Can someone explain to me how After All These Years is not in the set list? It’s a song that was a minor hit off their best selling album since 1996. I think When You Love A Woman is a good song, but at least throw Arnel’s tenure as the lead vocalist a bone.

I'd be down to hear more from Revelation or Eclipse. Bums me out that I never got to hear Resonate live.

The band right now with the playlist and lineup is basically the best Journey tribute band in the world.

Such a dumb comment lmao. With the exception of Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin', which is a shit song, the rest of the tunes played live belong to Neal and Jon as much as Perry. And since there's two of them...

Gideon wrote:

jestor92 wrote:Can someone explain to me how After All These Years is not in the set list? It’s a song that was a minor hit off their best selling album since 1996. I think When You Love A Woman is a good song, but at least throw Arnel’s tenure as the lead vocalist a bone.

I'd be down to hear more from Revelation or Eclipse. Bums me out that I never got to hear Resonate live.

The band right now with the playlist and lineup is basically the best Journey tribute band in the world.

Such a dumb comment lmao. With the exception of Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin', which is a shit song, the rest of the tunes played live belong to Neal and Jon as much as Perry. And since there's two of them...

When did Cain get a writing credit for Lights, Wheel In the Sky, and Anyway You Want It?

40% of the current band was with them at their height and 90% of the audience doesn’t know their names. They basically play a set list that consists of songs written 40 years ago. They have a lead vocalist who has been with them for almost 15 years and they realistically don’t play any of the songs they recorded with him. They’re not at a Foreigner level of being a tribute band, but they’re getting closer.

jestor92 wrote:When did Cain get a writing credit for Lights, Wheel In the Sky, and Anyway You Want It?

He doesn't, Neal does. Neal, who is still with the band.

40% of the current band was with them at their height and 90% of the audience doesn’t know their names. They basically play a set list that consists of songs written 40 years ago. They have a lead vocalist who has been with them for almost 15 years and they realistically don’t play any of the songs they recorded with him. They’re not at a Foreigner level of being a tribute band, but they’re getting closer.

Words have definitions and you're off the mark with "tribute band." Journey isn't a tribute band for sticking to the hits. Pandering, conservative, cautious, etc.? Maybe. Plenty of adjectives and pejoratives that may apply, but "tribute band" isn't one of them.

Perry/Schon/Cain were the creative nucleus of the band at its commercial and creative height. 2/3s of that nucleus still exists and their right to play a catalog that they created in part or in majority still applies.

Gideon wrote:They played The Way We Use To Be according to one review, not Don't Be Down On Me Baby:

https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/music/2 ... 2202220107

Not only are people on Twitter bitching about the sound mix, but so too are professional reviewers. Goddammit Neal.

Journey has always been mixed terribly. It is way more evident when they tour with other bands. When I have seen Journey in the past, Night Ranger and Def Leppard blew them out of the water

Dead or Alive last night. Think we’re up to 24 different songs.

https://twitter.com/spot999/status/1513 ... 8uugpyDr0A

City of Hope made its way into the set last night. I think that’s the 25th different song played this tour.