R.I.P. Global Warming...The Convenient Truth...it's not hot!

[Ehwmatt]

Olbermann not mainstream enough for ya?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=65918

That was SIX or more years into the Bush administration, long after policies ranging from unilateral pre-emptive war, secret wiretaps, and torture camps had been exposed.
Beck was rolling the Hitler and Mussolini montages before the Obamas had even unpacked.

So if Obama's continuing many of these W policies as I've heard many complaining about here and elsewhere, the Hitler comparison is totally fair then?

I don't really care who compares who to who. That doesn't affect my life one bit. I waste my political energy/concern elsewhere. Just wanted to let Monkey and his Obama persecution complex know he's off-base

[The_Noble_Cause]

So if Obama's continuing many of these W policies as I've heard many complaining about here and elsewhere, the Hitler comparison is totally fair then?

You could argue that.
Some policies, such as the wiretaps, have supposedly been brought more in line with the law.
That, and the fact that they are no longer secret, doesn't make it as controversial.
Thing is tho, Beck and Limbaugh didn't invoke the Hitler card because Obama was acting like Bush.
They brought it up because of other things, like healthcare and the peacecorps.
Real weak shit.

[Ehwmatt]

So if Obama's continuing many of these W policies as I've heard many complaining about here and elsewhere, the Hitler comparison is totally fair then?

You could argue that.
Some policies, such as the wiretaps, have supposedly been brought more in line with the law.
That, and the fact that they are no longer secret, doesn't make it as controversial.
Thing is tho, Beck and Limbaugh didn't invoke the Hitler card because Obama was acting like Bush.
They brought it up because of other things, like healthcare and the peacecorps.
Real weak shit.

I really wouldn't know what Beck and Rush have been up to. I don't really see why that matters so much since we have so many bigger problems that Obama was supposed to be pre-ordained to fix for all of us.

Plus, I don't have any time for talk radio right now... except an hour or so of my favorite local sports talker. Plus I can't be into politics every day like I used to be, it's not good for my health at this point

[Sarah]

On a more serious note, when I want to run my air, I'm going to run my air. When I want to light my house up, I will light it up. When I want to drive my car, I will drive it. I do think it would be a good idea to find alternatives to fossil fuels because they are finite resources and it would solve some real economic problems (at least in theory). But, I'm not going to sit there and be told when and where I can do the aforementioned things because some bozo thinks I'm gonna blow the world up running my air.

All right, then we agree in general. I'm not extreme, like "don't use your car", I just wish more people would do little things when they can, like walk to nearby stores if it's a nice day or something.

[Ehwmatt]

On a more serious note, when I want to run my air, I'm going to run my air. When I want to light my house up, I will light it up. When I want to drive my car, I will drive it. I do think it would be a good idea to find alternatives to fossil fuels because they are finite resources and it would solve some real economic problems (at least in theory). But, I'm not going to sit there and be told when and where I can do the aforementioned things because some bozo thinks I'm gonna blow the world up running my air.

All right, then we agree in general. I'm not extreme, like "don't use your car", I just wish more people would do little things when they can, like walk to nearby stores if it's a nice day or something.

Yeah I mean, I truly believe most people are reasonable. I turn off my lights when I'm not using them, I don't run my heat unless I need it (I hate being overheated for one thing), and all that... it benefits me obviously, I save money.

Now, a lot of people drive big cars, I think big SUVs are goofy and I'd never buy one, but until they stop making them, it's their right to buy 'em.

It just grates on an average person like me when the extreme green people try and dictate to you what you can and can't do or suggest ideas like installing meters in your home to dictate how much electricity you can use and what not... an idea that was broached last winter. that's just nuts.

EDIT: Or another example, FirstEnergy/The Illuminating Company, the electric company around here, was trying to deliver these two fluorescent bulbs to customers' homes and automatically adding a hefty charge to your bill... in essence, a forced sale for something allegedly "green." That doesn't jive with me and it didn't jive with the whole area, there was a massive uproar, Dennis Kucinich's staff attorneys drafted a complaint up and the company stopped the attempt before the attorneys even got to file the complaint.

[artist4perry]

On a more serious note, when I want to run my air, I'm going to run my air. When I want to light my house up, I will light it up. When I want to drive my car, I will drive it. I do think it would be a good idea to find alternatives to fossil fuels because they are finite resources and it would solve some real economic problems (at least in theory). But, I'm not going to sit there and be told when and where I can do the aforementioned things because some bozo thinks I'm gonna blow the world up running my air.

All right, then we agree in general. I'm not extreme, like "don't use your car", I just wish more people would do little things when they can, like walk to nearby stores if it's a nice day or something.

Yeah I mean, I truly believe most people are reasonable. I turn off my lights when I'm not using them, I don't run my heat unless I need it (I hate being overheated for one thing), and all that... it benefits me obviously, I save money.

Now, a lot of people drive big cars, I think big SUVs are goofy and I'd never buy one, but until they stop making them, it's their right to buy 'em.

It just grates on an average person like me when the extreme green people try and dictate to you what you can and can't do or suggest ideas like installing meters in your home to dictate how much electricity you can use and what not... an idea that was broached last winter. that's just nuts.

EDIT: Or another example, FirstEnergy/The Illuminating Company, the electric company around here, was trying to deliver these two fluorescent bulbs to customers' homes and automatically adding a hefty charge to your bill... in essence, a forced sale for something allegedly "green." That doesn't jive with me and it didn't jive with the whole area, there was a massive uproar, Dennis Kucinich's staff attorneys drafted a complaint up and the company stopped the attempt before the attorneys even got to file the complaint.

The only thing I was suggesting was, instead of big gov. telling us what to do to help the earth, why not educate and let people decide what they can do to help on their own, and spend a lot less money in the process. Simply turning off a light to a room that is unoccupied, and walking when you can helps us as people save a little,and does the earth a service too. Picking up trash is a great way to help the earth. It doesn't take green agendas that cost billions of tax dollars that is usually wasted or does more harm than good. We can all be better stewards of the earth in small ways that add up in the long run.

[Monker]

you love trying to make obama into hitler, don't ya? i don't get you cons, not at all.... you're twisted in a sick way.

Bush was compared to Hitler ad nauseum by leftists, it's not a one way street.

Except it wasn't picked up on by the so called liberal media, which is what "fair and balanced" FOX has basicaly done by the opinionators. Comparing Obama and Hitler is now mainstream.

As I have said here in the past, I think it is unAmerican to make such a comparison. If you really feel that way, then perhaps you should take your conspiracy theories and leave the country, or maybe Obama will put you into a box and burn you to ashes.

Olbermann not mainstream enough for ya?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=65918

As for your last two ramblings about conspiracy theories, wow, did you forget to take your meds today?

Silly liberal, as always, not letting facts get in the way of a good argument

What are you talking about? That is one sentence pointing to Olberman in a RECENT article of right-wing propaganda.

As for the other bit, comparing ANY American president to someone who attempted to attempted to commit genocide is wrong. Get over it.

[Monker]

[quote="artist4perryThe only thing I was suggesting was, instead of big gov. telling us what to do to help the earth, why not educate and let people decide what they can do to help on their own, and spend a lot less money in the process.[/quote]

Both should happen. Offering government grants to companies who are innovating away from fossil fuels is something that should be done. The same for ALL other alternative fuels. It's good for the economy too. I was saying those things even before Obama started doing it.

Educating the public to do the simple things is also important. There is nothing wrong with that.

[Ehwmatt]

What are you talking about? That is one sentence pointing to Olberman in a RECENT article of right-wing propaganda.

As for the other bit, comparing ANY American president to someone who attempted to attempted to commit genocide is wrong. Get over it.

You were and are wrong. Get over it Monkey.

[7 Wishes]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

[AlteredDNA]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

How many does Sarah Palin own?

[RossValoryRocks]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

Come on now...use thy gifted brain for something other than a paper weight, neither of them is touting "Global Warming" as then end of the world while jetting off to places in a private jet (One of the dirtiest out there too) and owning a home who's carbon footprint is sasquatch like.

You are comparing apples to oranges here, and I suspect, thought can't prove, you know this very well.

[7 Wishes]

I believe I have been more vocal in my criticisms of Gore in particular and Democrats in general than any other left-leaning poster on this board. He is a gerrymandering, boring hypocrite. However, he would have done a lot more good in 8 years than W did.

[Monker]

I believe I have been more vocal in my criticisms of Gore in particular and Democrats in general than any other left-leaning poster on this board. He is a gerrymandering, boring hypocrite. However, he would have done a lot more good in 8 years than W did.

You mean W. did some 'good'? I can't think of any...and he did a LOT of bad.

[Monker]

What are you talking about? That is one sentence pointing to Olberman in a RECENT article of right-wing propaganda.

As for the other bit, comparing ANY American president to someone who attempted to attempted to commit genocide is wrong. Get over it.

You were and are wrong. Get over it Monkey.

First of all, I'm not wrong. Pointing to some biaised website saying Olberman this and that does not equate to 'pick up by the so-called liberal media'. Equating Bush to Hitler was not the national passtime of liberal biases in this country. The fact that you have to dig so deep for so little basicaly proves my point. It HAS become he national passtime of the convervative biases in this country to equate Obama to Hitler. Again, if they are so afraid of being burned to ashes, then perhaps they should leave the country.

[Monker]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

How many does Sarah Palin own?

I thought she lived in a teepee and hunted wolf with a bow and arrow, or something like that.

[Ehwmatt]

What are you talking about? That is one sentence pointing to Olberman in a RECENT article of right-wing propaganda.

As for the other bit, comparing ANY American president to someone who attempted to attempted to commit genocide is wrong. Get over it.

You were and are wrong. Get over it Monkey.

First of all, I'm not wrong. Pointing to some biaised website saying Olberman this and that does not equate to 'pick up by the so-called liberal media'. Equating Bush to Hitler was not the national passtime of liberal biases in this country. The fact that you have to dig so deep for so little basicaly proves my point. It HAS become he national passtime of the convervative biases in this country to equate Obama to Hitler. Again, if they are so afraid of being burned to ashes, then perhaps they should leave the country.

Yes, I dug so deep - a 10 second search on Google for "olbermann bush hitler" and clicked on the second result

You asserted that comparing Obama to Hitler was a unique right-wing phenomenon, it's not. You are wrong. You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag, could you?

And don't worry, I'm not afraid. I think the whole thing is really pretty funny. I hope the guy gets 8 years to punish a mental midget like you who voted for him. I want you to be punished so hard you'll learn to never vote for someone like this again. I want him to hit you in your wallet, your savings, your 401k, at your doctor's office, at your job, in your utility bills, and wherever else he might fuck up your life. I truly do. And if he gets me in the process, so be it. I'm willing to sacrifice so we don't make this mistake again.

Also, I don't know what a "passtime" is - is that like a password with a timestamp on it?

[RossValoryRocks]

I believe I have been more vocal in my criticisms of Gore in particular and Democrats in general than any other left-leaning poster on this board. He is a gerrymandering, boring hypocrite. However, he would have done a lot more good in 8 years than W did.

Ok...Bush is not President any longer, live in the present.

Now to address the real issue...you commented on McCain and Palin having more houses, which is a sham of an argument. Al Gore is a hyprocrite period, but other than calling him that you attempted to diffuse the issue by bringing McCain and Palin into the discussion to blow smoke.

How about addressing that Al Gore is a hypocrite and why?

Try that, live in the present (Monker and TNC live enough in the past for the whole board, you are infringing on their sacred ground, the "Don't look at what Obama is doing, George Bush did...<insert liberal diatribe of choice>" territory, and they defend it vigorously!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Try that, live in the present (Monker and TNC live enough in the past for the whole board, you are infringing on their sacred ground, the "Don't look at what Obama is doing, George Bush did...<insert liberal diatribe of choice>" territory, and they defend it vigorously!

As usual, Seven tries to meet you halfway and instead, is greeted with a swift roundhouse kick to the taint.
I don’t even know why he bothers.
The truth of the matter is, libs on this board ranging from Deano to Seven to myself, have been plenty critical of Obama.
Just a few posts up, I even mentioned that Obama was furthering many of the same constitutional crimes as his predecessor.
So this is bogus.
Just like this bullshit “live in the present" rule, which is really Republican newspeak for passing the buck.
As recently as last year, Fox News, talk radio, and this very forum, were blaming Clinton and Carter for the housing crash.
So I guess it’s OK to blame Democratic Presidents for Republican failures, even if they’ve been out of office for DECADES, but if someone so much as mentions a recent Republican president, well, then, they've simply gone ahead and broken the inviolable seventh seal of politics, or, err, something.
Oh, and they're probably an un-American child diddling, arugula eating, Francophile, too!

In case anyone forgot, Bush came to office complaining about inheriting a recession from Clinton, and the Conservative rank-and-file blamed 9-11 on Clinton. And Reagan blamed Carter for his recession. And so on.
This is how the back and forth of professional politics has ALWAYS gone – on both sides.
This newly invented “don’t blame Bush” meme is just another hypocritical double standard from the party of hypocritical double standards.
Bullshit.

[7 Wishes]

Jon Stewart had a classic one-liner last night:

"It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans."

Seriously...this recession is obviously the fault of William Harrison. That month as President doomed this nation permanently.

Bush was about as effective as Warren Harding and Herbert Hoover. History will remember him as a failure; his policies were, for the most part, incomprehensible. I admire Obama's diplomacy, much as I admired that characteristic of Bush's far more competent father.

[7 Wishes]

Ummm...I don't get it. He has a long, long way to go before he approaches Bushism, even on an off day. He has shown more diplomacy in his first ten months in office than W did in eight years.

[7 Wishes]

http://pewglobal.org/reports/print.php?ReportID=5
They hated him in 2001...

...and even more in 2006...
In Britain, 91 percent said they considered bin Laden a great or moderate danger to peace, while 78 percent said that about Bush, the poll found. Kim, whose country tested an atomic bomb last month, was considered a danger by 82 percent, Lebanese Hezbollah militia leader Hassan Nasrallah by 78 percent, and Ahmadinejad by 74 percent.
In Canada, bin Laden was seen by 88 percent of the people surveyed as a great or moderate threat, followed in order by Kim (86 percent), Ahmadinejad (77 percent), and Bush and Nasrallah tied at 74 percent. Eighty-three percent of Mexicans ranked Bush as a great or moderate threat, putting him behind only bin Laden at 88 percent.
Majorities in Britain, Canada and Mexico — 69 percent, 62 percent and 57 percent, respectively — said U.S. foreign policy has made the world more dangerous since 2001, according to the poll.

"George Bush has developed a very bellicose image abroad," said EKOS President Frank Graves. "Immediately after September 11, attitudes were almost universally supportive. Today, Bush is seen as a sorcerer's apprentice on the world stage, bringing calamity wherever he goes."

In Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair's popularity has been hit hard by the Iraq war, 71 percent said the conflict was not justified. Eighty-nine percent of Mexicans, 73 percent of Canadians agreed.

[RossValoryRocks]

Jon Stewart had a classic one-liner last night:

"It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans."

Seriously...this recession is obviously the fault of William Harrison. That month as President doomed this nation permanently.

Bush was about as effective as Warren Harding and Herbert Hoover. History will remember him as a failure; his policies were, for the most part, incomprehensible. I admire Obama's diplomacy, much as I admired that characteristic of Bush's far more competent father.

I will vote for whomever, of whatever party as long as they do what they say they are going to do, and ultimately remember WE are their bosses. Too bad none of them do, they don't think beyond the next election, ever.

They are ALL self serving right now...EVERY damn one of them. Healthcare as the democrats currently want it will be a disaster for this country, but THEY have to have in order to keep their base (READ: LARGEST MONETARY CONTRIBUTORS) happy, the Republicans don't offer much of ANYTHING even (though we can all agree SOMETHING needs done with healthcare), which keeps their base (See above for definition of what base means) happy...and WE THE PEOPLE suffer.

[RossValoryRocks]

Try that, live in the present (Monker and TNC live enough in the past for the whole board, you are infringing on their sacred ground, the "Don't look at what Obama is doing, George Bush did...<insert liberal diatribe of choice>" territory, and they defend it vigorously!

As usual, Seven tries to meet you halfway and instead, is greeted with a swift roundhouse kick to the taint.
I don’t even know why he bothers.
The truth of the matter is, libs on this board ranging from Deano to Seven to myself, have been plenty critical of Obama.
Just a few posts up, I even mentioned that Obama was furthering many of the same constitutional crimes as his predecessor.
So this is bogus.
Just like this bullshit “live in the present" rule, which is really Republican newspeak for passing the buck.
As recently as last year, Fox News, talk radio, and this very forum, were blaming Clinton and Carter for the housing crash.
So I guess it’s OK to blame Democratic Presidents for Republican failures, even if they’ve been out of office for DECADES, but if someone so much as mentions a recent Republican president, well, then, they've simply gone ahead and broken the inviolable seventh seal of politics, or, err, something.
Oh, and they're probably an un-American child diddling, arugula eating, Francophile, too!

In case anyone forgot, Bush came to office complaining about inheriting a recession from Clinton, and the Conservative rank-and-file blamed 9-11 on Clinton. And Reagan blamed Carter for his recession. And so on.
This is how the back and forth of professional politics has ALWAYS gone – on both sides.
This newly invented “don’t blame Bush” meme is just another hypocritical double standard from the party of hypocritical double standards.
Bullshit.

No no no...I didn't kick 7 in the taint...I am reserving that for you, in person, sometime in the future.

I blamed Bush for plenty...I blame Clinton for what he was responsible for, the former Republican congress for what they are responsible for, so on a so forth.

You and the libs here just always drop back to the, "But Bush did worse" mantra, and that complete and utter bullshit.

I judge Obama on HIS actions, regardless of who came before him.

Now back to the true topic...

As you can see the whole anthropogenic global warming thing is being manipulated so someone can make money, by taking it from you and I (and everyone else).

But hey...Al Gore said it was US...more than likely it isn't (Though the world is getting warmer no doubt, it's just not MAN that is causing it).

[7 Wishes]

Quoting a brilliant theoretical physicist such as Larry the Cable Guy is, at best, a mulligan for your contentions, and more likely a circuitous ad hominem attack.

Anyway, perhaps as they have no idea what caused the "Big Bang" (not what happened immediately afterwards, apparently), this topic will never be fully resolved. However, since we KNOW man-made pollution COULD cause global warming, and DOES cause pollution and environmental catastrophes - shouldn't we do what we can, regardless? The harbinger of things to come is the dissipation of 90% of many species of fish that is DIRECTLY attributable to pollution.

[RossValoryRocks]

Quoting a brilliant theoretical physicist such as Larry the Cable Guy is, at best, a mulligan for your contentions, and more likely a circuitous ad hominem attack.

Anyway, perhaps as they have no idea what caused the "Big Bang" (not what happened immediately afterwards, apparently), this topic will never be fully resolved. However, since we KNOW man-made pollution COULD cause global warming, and DOES cause pollution and environmental catastrophes - shouldn't we do what we can, regardless? The harbinger of things to come is the dissipation of 90% of many species of fish that is DIRECTLY attributable to pollution.

Come on buddy...SOURCES for your assertions...

I agree nasty air pollution is bad...remember I live in Pittsburgh...home the Mon River Valley and the MOST POLLUTED air in the US.

But it is cleaner than it used to be for sure.

We are making strides though, and I would submit that we can do it smarter, say without destroying our economy, and sending our money to other countries?

[7 Wishes]

Eh...fair enough.

Sure, the Daily Show is slanted. But unlike Limbaugh and Hannity, Stewart doesn't lie.

Anyway, can we all agree what a douchebag Harry Reid is?

[RossValoryRocks]

Eh...fair enough.

Sure, the Daily Show is slanted. But unlike Limbaugh and Hannity, Stewart doesn't lie.

Anyway, can we all agree what a douchebag Harry Reid is?

Yes...Reid is an idiot.

[RossValoryRocks]

If this Copenhagen and Cap and Tax shit passes, the average utility bill will go up $121.00 a month.

The problem with ALL of this is that it is Politics as Usual.

To appease certain elements politicians (of both parties) will say anything, pass any law, STEAL our money to fund it and then try and guilt us into not complaining. Oh and use fear mongering, for whatever cause they choose, to get us to ignore our best interest and go along with the "thing to be fearful of" du jour.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You and the libs here just always drop back to the, "But Bush did worse" mantra, and that complete and utter bullshit.

As far as an objectivity pissing race goes, I’ve seen 7 throw plenty of corrupt libs under the bus.
Me too - not the least of which was Clinton (and Obama) on multiple times.
Of course, admitting such would require a degree of intellectual honesty.

I blamed Bush for plenty...I blame Clinton for what he was responsible for, the former Republican congress for what they are responsible for, so on a so forth….I judge Obama on HIS actions, regardless of who came before him.

Uh huh.
Sure.
You would never resort to not "living in the present" as you admonish the libs daily, right?
Thank your former pre-Obama MR self for making the case more perfectly than I ever could...

Clinton did the same thing...and no one said a word...remember that little aspirin factory in the Sudan?

I should remind you that Clinton started that particular Haliburton bid thing..but I won't...

Clinton "knew" Iraq had WMD's...in the days PRIOR to the invasion...he went on TV and said HE KNEW. But you ignore that completely. Because he is a democrat.

You would think that after the FIRST attack on the World Trade Center by Radical Muslims that Clinton would have done SOMETHING...ANYTHING...but know...he hung in the Oral Office and got a good BJ and blew up an aspirin factory in Sudan! Yay Willie! Good for you.

So wait...Bill Clinton was wrong then??? Hillary, Kerry et al, we all off their rockers too?

Oh like..."But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never." January 26th, 1998 William Jefferson Clinton

And there’s plenty more.
Interesting how Clinton was the Right’s first line of defense over the past eight years, but Democrats are expected to go around meekly referencing W in He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named type whispers - if at all.
I’m not saying I’m above this, I’m just saying the hypocrisy is astounding.