Marie Osmonds son takes own life

[Saint John]

Google Jersey Shore obnoxious, gross, immature...

Well, not everyone can have 100 online personalities and an entirely fake MySpace community.

[fredinator]

So you are going to resort to that ridiculous defense? Weak and lame.

[Saint John]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

[Behshad]

So you are going to resort to that ridiculous defense? Weak and lame.

Give it a rest Suze. I mean Nance

[Saint John]

So you are going to resort to that ridiculous defense? Weak and lame.

And true!

[Behshad]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

See ?! this is DAN speaking , not Saint John. And he makes great sense.
I agree on all points you made there , bro. .

[JH'sTXfan]

So you are going to resort to that ridiculous defense? Weak and lame.

Give it a rest Suze. I mean Nance

I'm going to have her a "Suze" t-shirt made up and give it to her the next time I party with her in Austin.

[fredinator]

How old are you Behshad?

[portland]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

Ok you don't give a flying fuck what I think....but here we go.

I am glad to see that you actually get that it is a real illness and yes it is way too easy to call everyone depressed and throw the whole lot into one diagnosis.

For me this was about the fact that people here have dealt with this in real life and to add shock value is really not an appropriate thing to do.

Some here have had a Mother, Father, Sister or Brother or someone very close to them who has had to deal with the fallout from depression or related illnesses....some may have had to watch them slip away and cannot stop it...some have had to bury them.

So yes....for some it may be the fact that they don't want to deal with life at all, but for some here it is all very real and they have and to suffer and watch it on a daily basis.

So say what you want to me....but I still get that for the people who have lived it....it is not something to pass judgment on unless you have walked in their shoes.

[fredinator]

So you are going to resort to that ridiculous defense? Weak and lame.

Give it a rest Suze. I mean Nance

I'm going to have her a "Suze" t-shirt made up and give it to her the next time I party with her in Austin.

[JH'sTXfan]

So you are going to resort to that ridiculous defense? Weak and lame.

Give it a rest Suze. I mean Nance

I'm going to have her a "Suze" t-shirt made up and give it to her the next time I party with her in Austin.

I've got an extra MR shirt. We'll put it on the back. 6th Street, here we come.

[Saint John]

Ok you don't give a flying fuck what I think....but here we go.

Well, that's awfully presumptuous!

I am glad to see that you actually get that it is a real illness and yes it is way to easy to call everyone depressed and throw the whole lot into one diagnosis.

But it's easy $$$ hidden behind "Well, we can't afford to be wrong even once."

For me this was about the fact that people here have dealt with this in real life and to add shock value is really not an appropriate thing to do.

And perhaps arguing on a rock message board is a bit silly as well.

Some here have had a Mother, Father, Sister or Brother or someone very close to them who has had to deal with the fallout from depression or related illnesses....some may have had to watch them slip away and cannot stop it...some have had to bury them.

Look at all of those new proper nouns.

So say what you want to me....

I always do.

but I still get that for the people who have lived it....it is not something to pass judgment on unless you have walked in their shoes.

They have their opinions and I have mine. And I think I'm right in the vast majority of cases, but certainly not all.

[portland]

Ok you don't give a flying fuck what I think....but here we go.

Well, that's awfully presumptuous!

I am glad to see that you actually get that it is a real illness and yes it is way to easy to call everyone depressed and throw the whole lot into one diagnosis.

But it's easy $$$ hidden behind "Well, we can't afford to be wrong even once."

For me this was about the fact that people here have dealt with this in real life and to add shock value is really not an appropriate thing to do.

And perhaps arguing on a rock message board is a bit silly as well.

Some here have had a Mother, Father, Sister or Brother or someone very close to them who has had to deal with the fallout from depression or related illnesses....some may have had to watch them slip away and cannot stop it...some have had to bury them.

Look at all of those new proper nouns.

So say what you want to me....

I always do.

but I still get that for the people who have lived it....it is not something to pass judgment on unless you have walked in their shoes.

They have their opinions and I have mine. And I think I'm right in the vast majority of cases, but certainly not all.

Hey Dan as for my use of proper nouns (Fuck Off) got it!

I think you get the point, and I love you too!

[Rockindeano]

Google Jersey Shore obnoxious, gross, immature...

HAHA, I wasn't listed. I believe fredinator meant to say I am mature and gentlemanly.

[fredinator]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

[JH'sTXfan]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

maybe a bit of gross thrown in, but not overly done.

[Behshad]

Google Jersey Shore obnoxious, gross, immature...

HAHA, I wasn't listed. I believe fredinator meant to say I am mature and gentlemanly.

I think the Suze still adores you

[Ehwmatt]

I'm no statistical analyst, but I am noticing a LARGE correlation between Loons and those who are getting hilariously outraged at this thread. Just sayin

[fredinator]

I also have to think about that word gentlemanly; kind of a rare word here on MR... Yes, I still am very fond of Dean--he has made me laugh more than once--something that you have NEVER done Behshad.

[portland]

I'm no statistical analyst, but I am noticing a LARGE correlation between Loons and those who are getting hilariously outraged at this thread. Just sayin

Hey Matt being a Loon has nothing to do with it.

[Behshad]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

you'd fit in " Me , Myself and Suzie ".

[fredinator]

Keep trying Behshad. Maybe it's time to paste some pictures and so forth.

[Rockindeano]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

Thanks Nancy. Lovin' you girl.

Hey Dan, I don't know if you are being serious or no, and I admit I haven' read through this tragic thread, bu regarding depression; it's real dude. I was diagnosed with it and I can assure you it was the proper diagnosis and I took meds and therapy to get out of it. It is very real. I hope you are just playing dumb here. I consider you in the top 3 of intelligent folks here, bu sometimes you have me shaking my head- a lo of the time because you have me in hysterics, but sometimes you are ignorant as well.

[Behshad]

Keep trying Behshad. Maybe it's time to paste some pictures and so forth.

I dong have to try. I know what I need to know. And looksie. dean Luvs u back

[JasonD]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

Deano is an icon --- a legend --- The Godfather of Melodicrock!
There are a handful of Deano wannabees on this site, but none that can compare to the original.
He can tell me to suck his dick & call me Nancy, (& he has) but I still think he's totally awesome.

[Saint John]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

Thanks Nancy. Lovin' you girl.

Hey Dan, I don't know if you are being serious or no, and I admit I haven' read through this tragic thread, bu regarding depression; it's real dude. I was diagnosed with it and I can assure you it was the proper diagnosis and I took meds and therapy to get out of it. It is very real. I hope you are just playing dumb here. I consider you in the top 3 of intelligent folks here, bu sometimes you have me shaking my head- a lo of the time because you have me in hysterics, but sometimes you are ignorant as well.

I explained myself fully in the 8th post down from the top of page 6.

[Behshad]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

Thanks Nancy. Lovin' you girl.

Hey Dan, I don't know if you are being serious or no, and I admit I haven' read through this tragic thread, bu regarding depression; it's real dude. I was diagnosed with it and I can assure you it was the proper diagnosis and I took meds and therapy to get out of it. It is very real. I hope you are just playing dumb here. I consider you in the top 3 of intelligent folks here, bu sometimes you have me shaking my head- a lo of the time because you have me in hysterics, but sometimes you are ignorant as well.

I explained myself fully in the 8th post down from the top of page 6.

Which thread ?!

[Behshad]

You wouldn't fit in Jersey Shore--you are funny and witty mostly.

Deano is an icon --- a legend --- The Godfather of Melodicrock!
There are a handful of Deano wannabees on this site, but none that can compare to the original.
He can tell me to suck his dick & call me Nancy, (& he has) but I still think he's totally awesome.

But those are compliments not insults, in your world

[Ligzig]

As someone who is still struggling with depression, I thought I'd add some input here.

To the guy who says committing suicide is only "for attention" - I've been in this state of mind many times, and it is the darkest, loneliest feeling you will ever feel. There really is nothing you can do...no amount of love and support from your family or friends can change the way you feel at those times. It's not a wound, you can't just bandage it up. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain....and sometimes, people feel the only way out is suicide. How do you solve any other problem? your brain. What happens when your brain is fucked? you feel that way too.

It was very severe for me for a few months. I dealt with it by taking sleeping pills and going to sleep....I didn't have any insurance and couldn't really get any help elsewhere. All they could do was recommend places, but I ended up just having some mobile crisis member come see me a few times. I went looking for help myself...nobody had to push me, I wasn't doing it for attention. I just didn't want to deal with it and have it ruin my life. I am a lucky one. I am only 20, and I fully realize at this moment, life is worth living. I am still waiting to get some type of help...but for now, I've been able to control it.

Anyway..before I go on a rant, I think there are people out there who aren't as lucky, and don't know/want/care how to get help for themselves.

Let me very clear here because I have been misinterpreted and probably added a bit of fuel to the fire purely for shock value. I believe depression exists. I've been there. But the way it has spiralled out of control with someone being diagnosed every 2 fucking seconds is absurd. There's a certain amount of depression that we all go through and then there's the more complex clinical sort, and it's very rare relative to all "cases."

My point is this ... I believe the vast majority of these people taking their own lives are doing so because they've been overly medicated and taught by society that this is an ok thing to do. It's not ... unless, like many of you have said, you're completely removed from reality. But *I* think that the vast majority are just plain fucking weak. But people that are "depressed" because they gambled away their entire life savings and decided to shoot up the office aren't depressed ... they're selfish fucking assholes!

I have no sympathy for the ones that throw their lives away voluntarily, or every emo who declares life over because they ran out of black fingernail polish. I agree with most of that. My only point was that what happened to me, and many others, is not a choice.

[fredinator]

Behshad is on a roll. He should be on a toilet paper roll, lol.